French President Emmanuel Macron has again reaffirmed that he believes NATO should not rule out the idea of sending troops to Ukraine to fight Russia despite the obvious risk of nuclear war.
When asked in an interview published in The Economist if he stood by his position about possibly sending ground troops to Ukraine, Macron said, “Absolutely. As I said, I’m not ruling anything out, because we are facing someone who is not ruling anything out.”
He said if Russian forces broke through Ukrainian lines and Ukraine requested NATO troops, it should be seriously considered. “If the Russians were to break through the front lines, if there were a Ukrainian request—which is not the case today—we would legitimately have to ask ourselves this question,” he said.
Macron noted that many NATO countries ended up sending weapons systems to Ukraine that they had previously ruled out. “At the NATO summit in the summer of 2022, we all ruled out the delivery of tanks, deep-strike missiles, aircraft. We are now all in the process of doing this, so it would be wrong to rule out the rest,” he said.
The French president first floated the idea of sending Western ground troops to Ukraine earlier this year, and despite backlash from Russia and fellow NATO members, he has not backed down on his position. Macron’s comments have highlighted the fact that there are a small number of NATO special operations troops inside Ukraine.
But what Macron is discussing would mean direct fighting between NATO and Russian troops. Moscow has said that a NATO ground troops deployment would make a direct Russia-NATO war inevitable, which could quickly turn nuclear.
Cet imbécile va encore nous attirer des ennuis.
If Macron tried to send French troops he’d make a rapid acquaintance with Dr. Guillotine’s device, the French will put up with a lot of crap but they remember the last time France tried to invade Russia (unlike the US, history is still taught in Europe).
If you are under the impression that history is being taught in Europe to anywhere near a functionally acceptable level, you are going to be bitterly disappointed. The average European knows next to nothing. The more educated Europeans could perhaps answer some of the easier questions correctly with a greater than chance probability, but then they are also guaranteed to be much more susceptible to the current propaganda at any time and have the crafted narrative better internalized.
Much more susceptible to the current propaganda? Than who? Than the Americans? Not bloody likely, in fact I’m not sure that’s even possible. We’re the most propagandized population in the history of the planet, Madison Avenue’s advertising agencies have over a century of experimental experience with mass mind control. Huge portions of the population have been led to believe the most absurd things imaginable, there’s a reason why the term “sheeple” was coined to describe them.
The susceptibility of the population to sophisticated modern propaganda is directly related to the basic education level of the society: the more evenly educated the society, the MORE susceptible they are.
Chomsky/Herman studied people’s perceptions of the Vietnam war in the 70’s … the more educated and more news people watched, the more they believed incorrect facts.
There is a basic orneriness in a %age of Americans that makes us distrust power and the propaganda that spews from power … far more than the case in Europe.
Silencing The Lambs
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/09/07/john-pilger-silencing-the-lambs-how-propaganda-works/
Pinter was an amazing man. And Riefenstahl was an incredible artist whose work unfortunately served an evil master. But the points are certainly valid and true.
I really feel that the main purpose of modern compulsory education using the regimented Prussian model that the whole world uses for its public schooling, is to prepare the people for indoctrination and direction from above. After 12 years of militarized “education”, most people are ready to believe whatever nonsense spewed by an authority figure.
Some are able to escape. It took me a long time to escape. What woke me up just a little was reporting for the draft in 1965. The ensuing years I gradually became alive with knowledge I did not have before. Cable new is the Ministry of Truth delivery mechanism. Extremely effective. With great drug commercials during commercial breaks. I am expecting to read about the new wonder drug that might make its appearance – SOMA. Modern televisions have the ability to see its watchers. Play some games sometime. Nearly all of us are Winston now. Nearly.
I am afraid Europe beats America in propaganda internalization. Nust talked to a pair of average folks from Netherlands. They think they need atomic bomb to protect themself against Russians! And in the same breath — they are strenuously arguing that Russia will break up in many small states. Germany, France, UK — rudiculous amout of propaganda passionately defended. Perhaps because their economies are in worse shape, and populace needs diversion.
Indoctrination.
Unfortunately, true. I do not understand why are Europeans so easily propagandized? Is it the superiority sindrome? The threat that inferiors of this world are getting stronger.
I wish I could offer you assistence with that, but it is at least equally puzzling to me. If it is a superiority complex due to their colonial past it is buried deep and out of sight in the psyche because the more radical left who ritually virtue signal about it at least once every conversation, and who by the way used to be very sympathetic to Soviet communism are also the most gung ho Russophobes folk of the lot. And unapologetically warhungry, these impotent pale quinoajunks.
And what you said about the Dutch being so thoroughly versed into the propaganda that they do almost automatically regurgitate the logically conflicting narratives of the propaganda effort: almost all newspapers and commercial television in the Netherlands are owned by two Belgian families, Leysen and van Thillo. There is no healthy functional free press in the Netherlands. There is so little public debate or dissent that it would make the Turkmenistan leadership envious.
Europe is already united for a new crusade against Russia. It happened progressively during last ten years. Now everyone understands that it is not going to be a cakewalk, still Macron’s ambition is to lead this crusade as he considers France the most important military power in anti-Russian continental Europe. Macron is an ambitious person. Also he is a man of Rothschild and he is doing exactly what American oligarchy wants him to do.
NATO will have it`s ass kicked if they go into Ukraine to fight Russians , as one US General said America and it`s NATO LACKEYS don`t fight unless they have over whelming air superiority ie bomb at will with no fear of being shot down not to mention the NATO infantry casualties .
French people were attempting to create a more advanced democracy and society a few short years ago. When their government wouldn’t get involved in helping establish a more perfect union, the people donned yellow vests and met in the streets to discuss among themselves exactly how to repair and modernize their decrepit old colonial war monger government, which then sent police to beat the people. Now that same antiquated colonial power is blustering and calling for war to cover up its continuing loss of and dependence on stealing from African colonies.
What did the French people wearing yellow vests meeting in the streets decide would help their country? It was easy; the ability to put their own initiatives on the ballot and North Dakota style public banks. Merciless trained police beat the people int submission over this idea.
The only boundary for failing fake western democracies is the bottom of an empty barrel.
The last time the French military went into Russia they lost 500,000 troops.
Perhaps Macron want to reduce the population of France!
Macron hasn’t mentioned sending troops into Russia.
One step (in one’s mind) may lead to another.
Macron reaffirms possibility of sending troops to Ukraine
French President Emmanuel Macron reaffirmed he
did not rule out sending troops to Ukraine, saying the issue would
“legitimately” arise if Russia broke through Ukrainian front lines and
Kyiv made such a request, in an interview with the Economist published
Thursday.
https://www.france24.com/en/france/20240502-macron-doesn-t-rule-out-troops-for-ukraine-if-russia-breaks-front-lines
If he didn’t mention sending troops to R… , that doesn’t mean he won’t do that. There are lots of F.. troops in Ukraine, and Ukraine is also Russia.
Macron noted that many NATO countries ended up sending weapons systems to Ukraine that they had previously ruled out. “At the NATO summit in the summer of 2022, we all ruled out the delivery of tanks, deep-strike missiles, aircraft. We are now all in the process of doing this, so it would be wrong to rule out the rest,” he said.
More of that sound logic of playing Russian Roulette.
First, which damn troops is the boy-king talking about? The few 1,000s or so chumps France has? They’d get chewed up and spit out in a month, FFS.
The only nations with actual “troops” in Nato are US and Turkey … neither will send ’em.
If that happened then Putin and Russian fears would be fully confirmed that the real reason for Ukraine being let into NATO, that the 2014 Coup was to enable that action with the end goal of destroying Russia and stealing it’s resources and then the USA Ghouls would be one step away from truly ruling the world. “Express Elevator To Hell”,,all aboard!
Why would that “reporter” be wandering around in the Urals? From Wikipedia: The Ural Mountains contain about 48 species of economically valuable ores and minerals. Eastern regions are rich in chalcopyrite,
nickel oxide, gold, platinum, chromite and magnetite ores, as well as
in coal (Chelyabinsk Oblast), bauxite, talc, fireclay and abrasives. Imagine that……………
France should demand that he take up a weapon and join the fire line. One minute of combat would wake him up. For the rest of his life.
Macho macho man, macaroni Macron is a macho man……..
♪♫He wants to be a macho man…♫♪
NATO troops going into Ukraine won’t save Ukraine. Russia will annihilate them. They will be priority targets. No need to go nuclear either. But NATO troops are not going into Ukraine. This is all just a bluff to try to intimidate Russia. And it won’t work.
I’m not really convinced it is all bluff and France is certainly not intimidating Russia, he could mean what he says that he’d consider sending some French troops to an early demise if the Russians break through Ukraine’s defence lines and Zelensky asks for it.
Because both conditions are guaranteed to happen there is at least some chance of Macron having taken an advance on the considering part. He might for example have considered that it’s pretty hard to back down at that point. So far it seems not too difficult to predict the course of events.
If he is less than completely stupid he must have also thought about what happens next. The US is not going to let the French draw them into a direct war with Russia any more than the Ukrainians are able to. Even Macron must know that. So what’s the point?
The point, the thing he’s gambling on I think, is to use the humiliation of a demonstration of French and Nato impotence, possibly the sacrifice of a few hundred French soldiers to breathe new life in his pet project of a “true European army.” This, in his mind I think, should suffice to generate the political will and economic commitment to execute that disastrous idea.
It’s hard to know what goes through Macron’s mind. He seems to change his mind all the time. Either of us could be right (or we could both be wrong). But my comment was directed at NATO troops, not just French troops. I think we both agree that NATO troops are not going to be deployed as NATO forces in Ukraine.
Well on the European army idea Macron has been consistent over the years. You have to give him that.
I am always prepared to be wrong and in this case I honestly hope I am. It would be a catastrophe. But I think if there is some truth to my suspicions then it would be a distinction without a difference whether or not they would go in under the guise of Nato or just as France or some suicidal ad hoc coaliton. But then the US would have something to say about that.
Well on the European army idea Macron has been consistent over the years. You have to give him that.
I am always prepared to be wrong and in this case I honestly hope I am. It would be a catastrophe. But I think if there is some truth to my suspicions then it would be a distinction without a difference whether or not they would go in under the guise of Nato or just as France or some suicidal ad hoc coaliton. But then the US would have something to say about that.
Overdoing it, isn’t he, this playing South Park’s Mimsy to the US’s Nathan. https://southpark.fandom.com/wiki/Nathan
Now for a uniquely Mexican American Holiday.
Mexico Defeated France, like most other countries that France messed with! Now they want to let Russia defeat them again.
Celebrated annually on May 5, Cinco de Mayo recognizes Mexico’s victory over the Second French Empire led by Napoleon III at the Battle of Puebla in 1862.
The holiday has since become perhaps more popular in the U.S. than in
Mexico and is often celebrated by people of Mexican American heritage.
Poor Macron. Like a driftwood on a stormy ocean. Alone. Having to prop up the fledgling image of an imperial greatness. Germany fell in its knees by following the Pied Piper into sanctions wilderness, stumbled and fell. UK made an early decision to get out of EU, not to give relief to population but to join the Hegemon. France is alione. And its vicious donor class is pulling all the stops to force France into adventure. The donor class knows really well that to tie the hands of Americans you have to get an ally in trouble in Crimea. Poor Macron, talking big to avoid showing how France is out if its depth everywhere. Macron has been clearly blackmailed when rumors concerning the identiy of his wife started circulating, The moment he jumped and asked how high — rumors were squashed in media, no matter how many awkward questions remain.
And now comes the Big Panda, Visiting France, Hungary and Serbia. Why? The Last Chance Salon. France — stop playing the village idiot. and here are some suggestions and rewards. Hungary — big deal in the works, Chinese/Mercedes plant in Hungary. But a last chance warning — games with Trump and Israel to be put in ice. Serbia — China is number one trade partner. It can be better. But Serbia is to stop the idiotic slude into Western vassalship, having just sold its last bank to an iEuropean bank. And selling Kosovo inch by inch. China will not be used as a cover to pacify population, while politicians and European import lobby getting goodies for being A sellout.
China will not be used. Europe needs it now more — not the otber way around. Sobering up time, all by saving face.