The New York Times reported Saturday that Israel is killing Palestinian civilians in Gaza at a historic pace.
The huge civilian death toll in Gaza is explained by the scale of the bombing campaign and Israel’s willingness to drop US-provided 2,000-pound bombs on densely populated areas that are packed with civilians.
Marc Garlasco, a former Pentagon analyst who advises the Dutch NGO PAX, told the Times that he’s never seen anything like it. “It’s beyond anything that I’ve seen in my career,” he said. Garlasco added that to find a historical comparison for so many large bombs in such a small area, one would have to “go back to Vietnam or the Second World War.”
Israeli officials have frequently cited the Allied strategic bombings of Japan and Germany during World War II to justify their onslaught in Gaza. The comparison includes the US fire bombings of Japanese cities, which killed around 100,000 civilians in Tokyo in one night in 1945, as well as the dropping of the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Israel has also invoked the US air campaign against ISIS, which killed tens of thousands of civilians in Iraq and Syria. But even the most brutal battle of the ISIS war does not compare to Israel’s onslaught in Gaza. According to an AP investigation, between 9,000 and 11,000 civilians died during the Battle of Mosul. About a third were killed by US-led coalition airstrikes or Iraqi forces, a third were killed by ISIS, and the cause of death for the rest is undetermined.
The Battle of Mosul lasted for nine months, from October 2016 to July 2017. In less than two months in Gaza, the Israeli bombardment has killed at least 10,000 civilians, based on a conservative estimate cited by The Times.
The Times report said, “People are being killed in Gaza more quickly, they say, than in even the deadliest moments of US-led attacks in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan, which were themselves widely criticized by human rights groups.”
The Israeli onslaught also dwarves the civilian casualties in the war in Ukraine since Russia invaded in February 2022. In one year and nine months of fighting, the UN estimates at least 10,000 civilians have been killed in Ukraine, including 560 children. The last update released by Gaza’s Health Ministry on November 10, after just 35 days of Israel’s campaign, said over 4,500 Palestinian children had been killed in Gaza, which the US State Department acknowledged was considered to be a low estimate at the time.
Despite the massive civilian and child death toll, the US continues to provide Israel with unconditional military aid. The White House has acknowledged that Israel is killing thousands of innocent people in Gaza but has said there are no “red lines” that would impact US support.
From Israel point of view this is very much like World War 2. Gaza attacked Israel on Oct 7. They not only attacked military targets, they also killed civilians, destroyed homes , killed foreign workers, captured and held military personnel and civilians young and old. Ruin peace negotiations between Israel and Arab countries. They also damaged Israel economy. And they fired 5000+ rockets at various cities in Israel. Gaza started a war of antihalation on Israel. Israel is responding like any other nation would do given the same situation.
The massive bombing of Gaza is necessary to destroyed Gaza military and political forces, AKA Hamas.
In early 1945 Japan leaders faced a simple decision, surrendered and save their cities or keeping fighting and lose them one by one. They chose the later. Gaza and Hamas has the same choice. Release the hostage and surrender or face the destruction of Gaza. It is their decision.
You’re just like Hamas, so enthusiastic about taking hostages. When will Israel release the rest of its 3000 hostages, held without charge or trial indefinitely? “Administrative detention”
Sort of like Gitmo but on a larger scale. Most Americans before 1967 admired Israel as a social Democracy. Those days are gone forever thanks mostly to Biden and Netanyahu.
Palestinians have been persecuted by the Zionist from 1947 to the present day , the yanks where desperate to try out their new war toy on civilians , every thing the yanks refused to accept before the bombs where dropped they agreed to after they where dropped , and if it wasn`t for the Brits the bombs would not have been ready before the war ended ,
The Zionist Irgun terrorized Palestinians long before Israel existed, Ariel Sharon was an Irgun leader, Rabin used to be a member too. The Zionists expelled, drove some 750 000 Palestinian people from their land in 1948 making them landless refugees, it is called Nakba by Palestinians. The Kibbutz are now military posts along the wall around Gaza which is about 20 foot high if I am not mistaken.
All that did not prevent Oct. 7
You are mistaken. A kibbutz is not a military post ;they are civilian in nature. Many US cities contain armories. Hamas perpetrated “Nabka” on Israel;now Gazans are under going a second “Nabka”.
Please be good to yourself and read” Gaza” in paperback by Norman Finkelstein, a Jew whos parents survived the Warsaw Ghetto uprising and the concentration camp.
At least you know more about Palestine and Israel.
What “yanks”? what “Brits”?
ok Jake, the Red Sox too then. Is that better?
Israel has “mowed the lawn” killing thousands of Palestinian civilians including children in 2008, 2012, 2014, 2021, 2022, and in 2018/19 it killed well over 200 civilians, plus reporters, healthcare workers, and maimed hundreds during non-violent protests at the border of Gaza. BTW military targets are fair game as are military personal. It was Israel on Oct 7, and 8 which destroyed homes with filled with civilians using tank shells and Zionist helicopters killed hundreds of civilians firing at cars and civilians at the rave.
The first casuality of war is truth. This is especially so when the war making parties are in total control of the media. However in these modern times the truth comes out faster because of cell phones and the internet. Those guilty of war crimes can’t hide any longer. This particular worm has turned and will bite the US and Israel in their joint ass.Most of the civilized world wants freedom and justice for the Palestinians. Israel and their biggest buddy the US are on the wrong side of history.
Yes,Israelis did it to themselves. No rapes,no kidnapped nine month old children,no Massacred families,no mutilations, no kids tied up,doused with gasoline and burned alive.Israel should make public the real pictures.Antiwar critters would say its all CGI.
“”Gaza attacked Israel on Oct 7. They not only attacked military targets, they also killed civilians, destroyed homes , killed foreign workers, captured and held military personnel and civilians young and old.””
did they? there is actually some doubt of that.
evidence Israel killed its own citizens on 7 October
https://electronicintifada.net/content/evidence-israel-killed-its-own-citizens-7-october/41156
How IDF killed its Own Citizens on Oct. 7
Max Blumenthall and Chris Hedges
https://www.islamicity.org/92916/how-idf-killed-its-own-citizens-on-oct-7/
Israel Admits It Killed Its Own At Nova Music Festival
https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=585603435&q=Israel+admits+it+killed+its+own+at+nova+music+festival+haaretz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiR9dGkpeSCAxXtPkQIHTVHCxEQ1QJ6BAgbEAE&biw=752&bih=440&dpr=1
i guess one could call that friendly-fire (accidental collateral damage),
but another one might call it false-flag operation.
you know what a false-flag operation is, right Tim? that is when one group blows up something, even their own people, and blames it on somebody else for the purpose of garnering sympathy or even starting a war. 2 clear examples of false-flag ops include the attack on the USS Liberty and the 9/11 “terrorist attacks”
Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion but not their own facts. Based on a long lifetime of being lied to by the US Government I refuse to believe one item about anything our rulers say or permit to be printed.All of those prosecuted writers who blew,published or spoke the truth removed the falsity of Government propaganda. we owe them a lot of love and respect.
Tom does not know that Gaza is not a state and has no military to attack Israel, Hamas is a resistance, partisan movement against a brutal Zionist (Nazi) occupier who has been humiliating and killing Palestinian civilians inclusive children and babies consistently for decades.
WAH WAH-Hamas has 40,000 member,well trained with plenty of missiles and small arms.
You are totally ignoring why Hamas would invade into Isarel in the first place. It’s not because they are “terrorists”. Israel has abused Palestinians’ human rights for over 70 years. And as far as the deaths attributed to Hamas, you better start accepting that Israel itself killed a great majority of those dead Israelis with their “Sampson option” military policy! Hamas went in to take hostages. Israel responded with the intent of killing both hostage and kidnapper!
I understand how abused people can react in ways that one can’t understand unless one has been similarly abused. But taking hostages is hardly something that should be condoned or looked at any differently than what it is. Both sides are terrorists.
I believe the hostages were taken to force an exchange with Israel, for the young Palestinian children they kidnapped and imprisoned. But Israel did kill many of those that died on Oct 7.
The key word being “hostages”.
It is and really thousands of young Palestinians are “hostages” by the Israelis for years. They have parents and siblings and children and feel pain like any Israeli.
Many have blood on their hands.
You will never know because many were not even charged or put on trial. If a 12 year old throws a stone at a tank and gets arrested as a terrorist what do you expect?
The Israelis are delusional, they count on the USA, a decaying empire to bail them out.
One side lives under apartheid.
I know. Wasn’t saying I wouldn’t have been a “terrorist” myself. Just that taking hostages shouldn’t be used as a favorable comparison to anything. It is what it is.
The US has never been militarily attacked on its home turf. There are many unanswered questions about 911. If the US attacks Iran missiles will rain down on Israel from Syria,Lebanon and Iran. There is an excellent chance that Israel will vanish. The crazy Zionists in power will go Nuclear and mankind bites the dust.
What was 911 if not a military attack?
That was an act of Terrorism done by Mossad to provoke the US into getting involved in the MidEast
They did it to themselves-BS.
“Gaza started a war of antihalation on Israel.”
Right. It was Hamas dropping 2,000 bombs on Israel supplied by the US. If Israel wouldn’t have stopped them, they would have been wiped out. And in order for the IDF to stop the annihilation of Israelis, the IDF had to annihilate a goodly amount of Israelis themselves with tanks and helicopters. Hamas would have used their own tanks and helicopters, but they were keeping them in their vast military bases in Gaza for future annihilations.
“The massive bombing of Gaza is necessary to destroyed Gaza military and political forces, AKA Hamas.”
No, not at all. The massive bombing of Gaza does very little to “destroy Hamas,” which is deep underground, little damaged by the bombing, and fighting well.
What it does is ethnic cleansing. That is the purpose, the goal. It is an intention to commit a vast war crime. Genocidal intent.
How then, would you “destroy Hamas”?
Always the question when brutal collective punishment can no longer be denied.
Hamas can not be destroyed only damaged Hamas is Palestine and Palestine is Hamas.Tough shit for Israel and the US.
Hamas had won a great victory at the expense of increasing the suffering of Gazan civilians. Hamas and Israel can make each other miserable,but their fates are intertwined.
You are sadly mistaken in your opinions about the fate of Israel.you constantly amaze and amuse me. The amazement is about your stupidity and the amusement is about the ridicule I feel for your sad mental stature.
Does it bother you Putin’s ethnic cleansing in Ukraine?
Nah, I’m sure it doesn’t, just like the rest here.
“” Putin’s ethnic cleansing in Ukraine? “”
really. are you really pretending that Russians and Ukrainians are of different ethnicity?
Im not pretending, im sure of it. Russians hate Ukrainians and treats them like animals. Oh, i’ve been around Russians. I’ve heard the jokes and insults.
It is cleansing and you are the ones conveniently pretending otherwise.
Again, hypocrites.
Putin is not “cleansing” anything. Russia went in to rescue Russian-speaking people in the Ukraine under attack! The only “cleansers” I ever see on the world stage are the USA and Israel, PERIOD!
Russia Went in to rescue russian speaking people by killing more than 300,000 (and counting) of their own russian speaking people?
That’s fcking funny.
Only you guys believe that nonsense.
That’s some dumb a$$ sh!t.
https://media.tenor.com/fV44VTgTtXkAAAAM/haha-charlie-cm-ha-ha.gif
One of the reasons Russia attacked Ukraine is that Zello was ethnically cleansing Eastern Ukraine, and in fact, was “killing his own people”.
Oh shove that Kremlin BS no one but you Putin lovers believe.
Putin started that war when invaded and annexed Crimea then directed Igor Girkin to attack Ukrainian forces and seek independence.
Stop the BS.
You’re straying from your one-note, Apartheid-defending posts.
Here’s the math: If any Palestinian can be Hamas, then killing all is the only way to end Hamas. Not only that, but killing all of them is the only way to end apartheid. Kill Hamas and apartheid with one stone?
The math is on Israel’s side hands down, folks. (It’s Sarcasm. I’m being sarcastic. I swear.)
Hezbollah has not been heard from with hundreds of missiles capable of damaging Israel severely. So does Iran. This play is only entering the second act. The third will,be a doozy and the US and Israel will,not like the curtain coming down.
It may take a little while but these bandits and murderers will get burned in the end.
If Iran gets nuked,it will have asked for it.
Iran is not going to get beat up,Israel is.
Israel surrounded itself with enemies, in the end when the going gets ruff the US will walk away from Israel too, if they still can that is.
Are you aware there is a century of history before Oct. 7? Do you know that Gaza is not a state with a well trained army?
Do you know that Palestinians, babies included, are not human animals? They are rea people with souls and red blood and feel pain when their babies get killed or buried under rubble dying a slow death? There is much more and you know nothing at all?
Do you know what shame stands for?
WAH! WAH! WAH!.Hamas commited a massive brutal massacre.Admit it! Understand that there are consequences.
The Israelis caused the massacre, they killed half of their own people, and what do you call the killing of some 15 000 Palestinians more than half women and children? What planet do you live on? You need to wake up and open your eyes.
OH SHAME, You can see the remorseful visage of Notinyetyahoo looming large over the carnage, eye 4 an eye is brutal. Vast destruction & depopulation is genocide I believe. It’s lightyears away of most moral.
Tim, I sincerely recommend you read
“GAZA” AN INQUEST into its MARTYRDOM by Norman Finkelstein.
The first edition was 2018 it is now available in paperback.
I garantee that Tim won’t read Finkelstein or Chomsky or Said or Baroud. There is nom opening a blind,deaf and dump persons eyes and ears.
I think you are right.
As Forest Gump said”stupid is as stupid does”
Do you actually believe that Israel would not be doing what they have been and are doing, if Hamas released the hostages?
It would put Israel in an somewhat embarrassing position However,Hamas will play hide and seek with the hostages.
The Israeli regime was looking for a plausible excuse to ethnically cleanse Gaza. After months of violently suppressing protests and executing dissidents in an attempt to maintain its grip on power, the Hamas regime decided to give the Israeli regime that excuse so that someone, anyone, would look worse than it. They’re scratching each others’ backs at the expense of ordinary Palestinians.
More of the same. The day that Israel waited for, hoped for, raindanced for — has finally arrived! Decades of sadistic abuse of Palestinian human animals bore fruit. They finally struck back!
And now, time for Israel to mow the grass — this time thoroughly! No doubt realizing decades old plans on how to “settle” the land once cleansed of undesirables.
Hope you understand. This is a point of no return.
City of Barcelona, the second largest city in Spain joined many countries and entities in condemning the genocide perpetrated by Israel over Palestinians in Gaza. And suspended all commercial relations with Israel. This reaction and many others. are the cumulative understanding of decades long abuse of all Palestinians of former British “Mandate” Palestine from 1948 till today.
US can shield Israel to a point. As the global opinion shifts slowly but permanently, there is nothing Israel can do to stop it. Beyond global condemnation, Israel may face real consequences.
West already suffers from the delusion that it can always win any PR battle. Did not work with Ukraine. West is culturally lost and confused. It believes that truth is just a magter of definition. . Can Israel count on it to fix its destroyed image?
Geopolitical wheels turn slowly — but they turn.
No matter how often I cut the grass on my lawn it always grows back. If neglected weeds grow.
“The mills of the Gods grind slow, but exceedingly fine”
Indeed it is very much like World War 2 for Israel. God’s chosen people must have lebensraum. Unfortunately the lands that are rightfully theirs are occupied by the Palestinian Untermensch. Time to send in the
BrownshirtsSettlers and theWaffen SSIDF to eject them! And time to crack down on those Israelis who defy the great leader Netanyahu!Love your comments.If push comes tom shove in the US we might have the same sort of problem with Brownshirts and armed militias as well as police and military forces. Depending on politics this could go either way.
caitlin johnstone has written that as it’s arms supplier, the u,s, is just as guilty as israel for it’s war crimes. the question i’d like answered is why the u.s. and it’s european allies are so staunchly zionist.
https://caitlinjohnstone.com.au/
Zionist are in some of the most power full positions in US institutions and many of the NATO countries , a Rothschild once said i care not who is in control of a Government as long as we have control of the money,
They rationalize that because of the Nazis in WW2 they deserve special consideration.One has nothing to do with the other. Both are or were terrible crimes against humanity.
Zionism, Terrorism and Nazism is the means by which the western global elites wage war for Profit. And business is good.
Its no coincidence that as Afghanistan is ended, we see Ukraine begin, and as Ukraine is ending we see the ME restart.
For the Palestinian people the Star of David is equivalent to a Swastika. For the Russian people NATO is equivalent to Nazi Germany. For the Afghanistan people the US is equivalent to ISIS.
Well written and stated.
Israel is so nice. “Israel Is Using US-Provided Weapons to Kill Palestinian Civilians at a Historic Pace.” …I don’t understand. …Why is everybody upset? That’s wonderful news for the US economy?
Israel is so nice. It’s the nicest country ever! Who else can compete with “…Israel’s willingness to drop US-provided 2,000-pound bombs on densely populated areas that are packed with civilians.”
As long as the US is furnishing bombs to Israel they would be wise to know that what goes round comes around.
Israel is killing Palestinian civilians in Gaza at a historic pace. Civilian casualty rates dwarf those in recent US wars in the Middle East and the Russian war in Ukraine.
maybe it was a contest all along
Israeli officials have frequently cited the Allied strategic bombings of Japan and Germany during World War II to justify their onslaught in Gaza.
It’s like Jeffrey Dahmer saying, “But look what Charles Manson did”.
Well, Netanyahu sure wants to be in history books as Hitler Number Two…!
There is no way to get around the fact of Biden’s complicity in the murder of civilians in Gaza, none. As soon as Israel started attacking and killing innocents in any numbers beyond the inevitable accidents of war, Biden was obligated by the spirit and wording of international law and by respect for innocent life, to do everything in his power to condemn Israeli acts of violence and use the levers of power to separate the USA from any hint of complicity.
He. Did. Not.
Besides being a corrupt politician he also as the honor of being a toadstool for Israel as a rotten human being almost in the same class as Trump.
US financial/political elite is pro-Zionist. It makes no sense to talk about Biden. Biden is just one of many servants of US oligarchy. If he disappears tomorrow, Harris will take his place and carry on.
He even blocked the levers of the UN to condemn Israeli acts of violence.
The USA is now an arm of the Zionist, doing the bidding of the Satanic Rule of Netanyahu. Just waiting for some Nation to stand up to this new Nazi Regime in Israel and save the Palestinians. Every day that goes by, watching a once GREAT country like America, doing nothing to stop the Genocide of Palestinians, means one thing, we are DOOMED!
Two wrongs don’t make a right. That is well known, even in the WH.
As long as there are brutal occupiers there will be Hamas, brutal occupation provides the fertile soil for Hamas to grow in. Resistance is as perennial as the brutality that created it.
Israel will either yield freedom and territory to the Palestinians or get wiped out as a functioning country by the forces of Islam whom are tired of White Supremacy and occupations.
With Zionists in charge nothing will change, it will end badly for the Palestinians and the Israelis. Only peace will bring prosperity to the nations.
Israel has made enemies with all its neighbors, the Zionists don’t understand that life is about compromises. Wars is for war profiteers only.
For comparison, the largest single saturation bombing campaign of the war on Vietnam was “Operation Linebacker II” in 1972. This was the eleven-day “Christmas bombing” of Hanoi and Haiphong. 20,000 tons of ordnance were dropped on those cities.
Vietnamese sources indicated that civilian fatalities totaled between 1,500 and 2,500.
The IDF is doing way “better” than that. Heckuva job, Bibi!
Because of their callous disregard for Palestinian lives, the Israelis will be fighting this war for decades to come.
It could not happen to a better group of humans.That is only if they survive that long.
Wendell; You sound like a guy who wants even more violence. How many need to die before it’s enough? I’ll give you a hint: the more Israelis die, the more Palestinians die.
Do these settlers owe 70 years of back rent to the rightful property owners ?
https://www.plands.org/en/articles-speeches/articles/2019/when-the-denial-bubble-bursts-an-israeli-kibbutz-faces-the-nakba
Yes just like the US Government owes reparations to the First Americans and the progeny of slaves.
International
court of justice opinion of 2004 determine Israel owes Palestinians reparations for damages –
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-178825/
I predict that not one shekel will change hands.
You suggest that the Likud will remain a lawless pariah regime ?
Slavery was so common all over the world, and it was preferable to death for the enslaved.
Because the Americans did it, it is legal?
The Israelis banned any celebration of the homecoming by the Palestinians after years and years of incarceration. To celebrate in public makes you a terrorist.
The Israelis always find something new to terrorize and humiliate the Palestinians with.
They really trump the Nazis.
It is a war against unarmed civilians, a very young population, more than half children and babies and women. It is Voelkermord not a war against another army. Two nuclear powers killing children by the thousands. The heroic Israelis and Americans do the killing.
40,000 well trained and armed men,is by definition,an army,
Really? If you say so it must be true. You must be a trolling Zionist Satanyahu follower?
Estimates of the size of Hamas’s army (Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades) vary, and 40,000 is definitely toward the high end of those estimates.
ARE they an “army?” The choice seems to be between that, “unlawful combatants,” and “terrorists.” Which one do you consider most applicable?
Thomas, Hamas and other Palestinian groups are Partisans fighting the Israeli oppressor, all perfectly legal, and yes there will be collateral damage like in any war.
Genocide = MASSACRE of a NATION including women and children.
As a former Marine you of all people must understand the motivation of the Hamas people. What would you do if someone killed your child, or whole family, tearing them to shreds with bombs? Not to mention the other daily humiliations and torture the people are made to suffer under a most brutal occupier?
Yes, I do understand the motivation of the Hamas people. It’s to save their own skins from the displeasure of the serfs they’ve ruled with an iron hand for 17 years, and who were getting restive, by letting Israel look even worse than them.
Hamas did not rule for any time, the Israelis occupied and ruled Gaza and the WB from the beginning and under Trump Israel annexed the Golan Heights against international law. The Israelis are the most brutal and ruthless occupiers in history. Occupiers are always brutal but the Israelis trump them all. Abbas is well paid Israeli servant, he has done nothing for the Palestinians that is why the PLO/Fatah lost the election.
HAMAS is a Palestinian Sunni Islamist political and military organization governing the Gaza Strip of the Israeli-occupied Palestinian territories. Headquartered in Gaza City.
Take notice : Gaza Strip of the “Israeli-occupied Palestinian territories”.
The Israelis blockaded Gaza and frequently attacked it, but they withdrew from occupying it years ago.
The Zionist Israelis controlled Gaza the way one controls any prison, and as in any prison the inmates rose up, and not for the first time. The very intelligent Israelis in return just added more chains and punishment, blockades and more bombings to teach the Palestinians to behave better.
The USA is complicit and made it possible, they made sure there never was any public critic of Zionist policies, Hasbara controls the MSM in all Western advanced democracies and any critic in the UN was vetoed, no one set limits for crimes against the Palestinians, there never was any kind of informed public opinion allowing critic, red lines for Israel. Mass murder of the Palestinian people was the goal and Americans signed it on the bottom line. Every president signed on to massacre Palestinians, it was never a moral issue. Critic of Zionist policies and brutality is called anti-Semitism.
I’m not going to argue any of those points — but not every bad thing is whatever word you happen to randomly pick to describe it. You stealing my stereo is not murder. Me breaking your nose is not rape. Words mean things, and noticing that Gaza has not been “occupied” by Israel for some time is just noticing reality, not trying to excuse the things Israel HAS done.
Well, maybe controlling a a concentration camp is not “occupying”. Occupation would obligate the occupier to protect the welfare of the civilian population, including women and children, which Israel never does, see the WB, is that occupied territory, is that an improvement compared to the worlds biggest concentration camp? Now the Israelis are bombing Gaza, killing thousands of unarmed civilians, 2/3 of them women and children, thousands of pregnant women give birth without shelter, without any medical care, without food and water. All that is known in the WH and what do the killers in the WH do other than funding and supporting the Zionist butchers? Nothing, they only stand by and watch the slaughter.
Be honest with your-self, it is what it is. You are only looking for excuses for the killers. They are war criminals, no matter how you slice it. Biden is demented, he is not a wise older statesman. The man never grew in office.
There’s no plausible way to get from what I’m actually saying to me “looking for the excuses for the killers.”
I don’t look for excuses for Israeli killers, or Palestinian killers, or US killers, or Ukrainian killers, or Russian killers.
You look for excuses for some of them but not others. If you support a side, all of a sudden anything and everything that side does is “defense” or “resistance” instead of murder, even if it’s murder when the other side does exactly the same things.
You’re right — it is what it is. Start treating it that way instead of pretending it isn’t what it is when the team you’re waving a flag for does it.
Wars can be avoided if both sides really want it. The elite decides and the innocent victims pay the price. Ukraine could have been avoided, Biden said no, Gaza could have been avoided but the Zionists oppose it, even a ceasefire they oppose, the brutality against an unarmed civilian population is mind-blowing. It is a massacre on a defenseless nation, pregnant women and children included. Israel has no restrains, they do bomb schools, churches and even hospitals, not counting the total blockade. There are no excuses for such criminal leadership in Tel Aviv and DC.
Look at the dead bodies, mothers and fathers, in white sheets and the little dead bodies in white sheets of their children next to them and do think of all the little bodies still under rubble. How can you ignore that and try to justify it? I can not. Who is comforting all the small children who lost their parents, can’t you feel their pain, they are injured and there is no doctor, no nurse, no medication to treat them ?
They are the people I support, not the criminals responsible for the misery.
“How can you ignore that and try to justify it?”
I neither ignore it nor try to justify it.
You support half of the criminals responsible for the misery. I oppose all of them.
Thomas, you do know it is more complex than you make it look. Hamas are no more criminal than Israeli IDF soldiers. They do what you were willing to do to defend your country. You know that it is violent and bloody, there will be collateral damage and crimes will be committed by individuals.
“Hamas are no more criminal than Israeli IDF soldiers.”
I agree. And no less criminal, either.
“They do what you were willing to do to defend your country.”
Except that I wasn’t “defending my country.” I was just working as a hired murderer for the crime syndicate (“government”) that happened to rule the territory I was born in. Just like any IDF or Hamas trooper.
Everyone in precarious situations tries to save their own skins, other than suicide bombers and kamikaze pilots.
Thomas, may I ask you what motivated you to join the Marine corps? My guess, you were an idealistic young man and impressed and attracted by the masculine military atmosphere.
If you were Palestinian you would be a Partisan Hamas member. MHO
I was a working class young man who wanted money for college, and who admired the Marines because my brother was one.
You’re right — if I was a Palestinian and 18 I might join the al Qassam Brigades. And just like the 18-year-old American who joined the Marines, I’d presumably eventually figure out that I was affiliating myself with a parasitic gang.
Russians have a government. The US and Israel are criminal syndicates bastarding the rule of law and debasing humanity.
Andrei Martyanov may disagree.
Governments are criminal syndicates. So you’re right that Russians have the same setup that Americans and Israelis do.
That is not what Malthaus posted, you are putting words in his mouth.
He said that Russians have a government and that the US and Israel have criminal syndicates.
I just pointed out that he was saying the same thing in both cases.
“He posted
” Russians have a government.” PERIOD.
Next sentence, The US and Israel are criminal syndicates bastarding the rule of law and debasing humanity.
The period disconnects Russia’s from the US and Israeli governments.
Dont take him seriously hes CIA. If this site was truly antiwar it wouldn’t exist.
It is a crazy world. You are right.
If Knapp is a CIA spook, his cover is amazingly good. 😎
My past government affiliations include the US Marine Corps, a federal draft board appointment (which I planned to use as a way to give a deferment to anyone who asked if they ever cranked that system up), and a local appointment to a bicycle/pedestrian advisory board.
I do not now and never have worked for the CIA, NSA, FBI, etc., and have no interest in doing so.
If I was looking for CIA plants here on Antiwar.com, my two top picks would be “Jake” and “Doom Sternz.” Both of them are stellar at making the sides they claim to support look really, really, really bad.
…. local appointment to a bicycle/pedestrian advisory board…..
Rock on !
Stromgtowms.org
Streetsblog.org
Governments are criminal syndicates.
All of them.
Every last one.
They’re farmers, and you’re the livestock. Doesn’t matter if they’re run from the White House or the Kremlin, they’re all basically Tony Soprano and his bunch.
You like to fantasize that anyone who’s against the bad guys you hate most is the good guy. In fact, they’re just more bad guys. There aren’t any good guys when it comes to governments.
,,100% correct,,,,,all the governments are controlled in one way or another by the same system,,,,
I am not as cynical as you are, there are exceptions. After the war we had some great statesmen dedicated to “never again.” They were not perfect but did serve their countries with honor. We do have the UN because they wanted to make it a better world.
It is the later generations of leaders who cared about money and profits only. The capitalists who never get enough, the people who meet every Jan. in Davos and control the governments and the economies. They undermined the UN credibility and other national institutions, including NGOs.
We now have INTELLECTUALLY and MORALLY bankrupt leadership.
Look at the trash of presidential candidates we have and nothing better is in sight.
I don’t agree that the past is some kind of fairy tale full of heroic “statesmen” who piss bourbon and shit butter pecan ice cream to the people they oh so faithfully “serve.”
Even the occasional “statesman” whose heart might be partly in the right place is effectively a slave to the perpetual machinery of states, which is incentivized toward maximizing discretionary state power, both internally and abroad.
Thomas, please stop exaggerating what I said. Don’t put words in my mouth. You are better than that. I appreciate it.
OK, let’s go to EXACTLY what you said:
“We do have the UN because they wanted to make it a better world.”
The people you seem to think were so admirable founded the UN in 1945.
In 1947 those same people, through that very UN, voted to partition Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state.
Do you think that was a good, “statesmanlike” act?
You seem to place JFK at the pinnacle of American “statesmen.”
In 1962, he approved the first major US arms sale to Israel. Do you think that was a good, “statesmanlike” act?
Here’s a campaign speech he delivered to the Zionists of America convention on August 26, 1960, while running for president. Selected quote:
“I first saw Palestine in 1939. There the neglect and ruin left by centuries of Ottoman misrule were slowly being transformed by miracles of labor and sacrifice. But Palestine was still a land of promise in 1939, rather than a land of fulfillment. I returned in 1951 to see the grandeur of Israel. In 3 years this new state had opened its doors to 600,000 immigrants and refugees. Even while fighting for its own survival, Israel had given new hope to the persecuted and new dignity to the pattern of Jewish life. I left with the conviction that the United Nations may have conferred on Israel the credentials of nationhood; but its own idealism and courage, its own sacrifice and generosity, had earned the credentials of immortality. Some do not agree. Three weeks ago I said in a public statement: ‘Israel is here to stay.’ … Friendship for Israel is not a partisan matter. It is a national commitment.”
Are you down with that “statesmanship?”
The UN was meant to make it a better world, to settle differences diplomatically without wars. That was the motivation for a two state solution for Palestine and it certainly is not the reason why there has not been a solution. Do you know of a better way to solve the problem? What we now have is a lawless Israel, complicit with the USA committing the war crime of the massacre of the Palestinian nation. The actions the behavior of the US and Israeli diplomats before the UN make you cringe and are more than shameful.
The UN has been influential in providing relieve regarding social issues worldwide, like health care, hunger and natural disaster relief, yes the UN is not a 100% success story, and now it is in real trouble and mainly because the USA has undermined and weakened the UN, used the UN to serve American interests, anytime there was a valid critic of Israel the US vetoed any action by the institution. The USA weakened and corrupted the institution to benefit the USA.
Your post supports my point, I don’t think I mentioned JFK. The UN is the product of a generation of politicians who knew war first hand, what followed are less than mediocre people. They want power and money, they are characterless people without any decency. They don’t even have simple common sense. JFK did not include complicity in the massacre of the Palestinian nation in friendship. He stood for peace and prosperity, he had great potentials and they killed him and later his brother. He learned and grew in the office, one can’t say that of Biden or Trump. Name one speech Biden or Trump made worth remembering, there is no coherent political, philosophical sentence.
In view of the massive soviet arms sales to the Arabs,including Badger medium bombers, sale of defensive AA missiles to Israel in 1962 was a restrained and just act.
I wasn’t opining on whether the act was “restrained and just.” I was just noting that one of the supposed “better” “statesmen” of the better time Lysistrata imagines was doing the same things (that she opposes) that “statesmen” (who she opposes) do now.
The future existence of the US is open to question if our political system does not undertake drastic unheard of changes and reforms.I believe we need some Nationalization of key industries that have too much political power like Banks,Pharma Defense Contractors and HMOs for starters. We desperately need a little Socialism
I agree, our extreme individualism is destroying our society.
I would say Capitalism stands for personal profit while Socialism aims for a social free market economy. Capitalism is being glorified while Socialism has been demonized.
Our elections are decided by the money the capitalists invest in candidates, they made Trump and Biden possible. Trump and Biden served them well, wars are good for business. Haley would also be a good pick for them, the Koch brothers know where to invest their money.
That’s what Sammy (the Bull) Gravano said too.
Zionism, Terrorism and Nazism is the means by which the western global elites wage war for Profit. And business is good.
Its no coincidence that as Afghanistan is ended, we see Ukraine begin, and as Ukraine is ending we see the ME restart.
For the Palestinian people the Star of David is equivalent to a Swastika. For the Russian people NATO is equivalent to Nazi Germany. For the Afghanistan people the US is equivalent to ISIS. They are not wrong.
The Star of David has been a symbol of Judaism for a thousand years before the Christian Era. Is a crescent not a symbol of Islam?
Two triangles – one upside down to reflect the good and the bad.
Designed to represent a star ,not your dualism.
SURE IS NOT THE MOST MORAL MILITARY ON THE PLANET.
PERHAPS THE MOST GENOCIDAL MILITARY KILLING INNOCENTS ON THE PLANET AS THEY KILL LIKE LEAVES FALL.
You just wrote a hell of an analogy that horrifies me.