Israel has asked the US for an additional $10 billion in military aid amid its onslaught in Gaza, The New York Times reported on Monday night.
The report said lawmakers in Congress are working with the White House to craft a spending package that will include military aid for Israel, Ukraine, and Taiwan and additional funds for border security.
Reuters reported on Tuesday that President Biden will request a spending package for all the military aid worth about $100 billion. Previous reports said Biden was looking for a massive spending package for Ukraine that would last through the 2024 election.
If Israel gets the extra $10 billion it would be on top of the $3.8 billion the US provides the country each year. The administration has expressed full-throated support for Israel’s campaign in Gaza and has already shipped new military equipment and deployed major firepower to the region, including two aircraft carrier strike groups.
The US began providing Taiwan with military aid this year, an unprecedented step in the era of normalized US-China relations. Lumping in Taiwan aid as part of a spending package to fund two hot wars in Ukraine and Gaza will be viewed as a major provocation in Beijing.
They want to starve the US along with the Palestinians.
That is a poignant thought that probably should have occured to me.
It was sarcasm but it may be the eventual result of the military spending bonanza.
Not to worry: Tyson foods is building a new insect harvesting plant for dog and cat food and the transition to Soylent Green for feeding people on EBT cards living in roadside RV Bidenvilles.
WTF???!!!
As they should. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/974b368ad023e7c7e612a0a83b3fd4ad2577f09daa5c3e7033f192f525a5ab0f.png
Refresh my memory, how many billions did Israel give to us to help with our 9/11.
Israel provided important logistical and intelligence based support. If the U.S. were truly in need of funding from Israel (a situation that did not occur in real life due to the U.S. having a much larger tax base and population) and Israel were in a position to offer it I’m sure they would have.
Israel provides the most important thing in the war on terror: It provides enemies
After 9/11 Israel supported its US ally with uncountable billions of dollars and uncountable tens of thousands of troops. Uncountable means zero.
But don’t forget the invaluable intelligence Israel shared with the US about the threat of Iraqi WMD’s and the Iranian nuclear program. Without Israeli support and intelligence the US probably wouldn’t have recognized the need to go to war against Iraq or to prepare for war with Iran.
While the war against Iraq was almost certainly a mistake, the invasion of Iraq being almost completely the product of one person’s policy agenda (Dick Cheney, a Methodist) makes the accusations of things such as “Zionist” influence not particularly hard to disprove. Israel was absolutely justified in attacking Iran’s nuclear weapons program, something crystal clear in the wake of Iran “congratulating” Hamas this week on its operations after having trained, armed and funded them, but the attack against its nuclear facilities was actually something the U.S. offered to do for Israel, so go make of that what you will. The U.S. will not end aid to Israel, as the U.S. government has recently stated that “As long as America Exists, It Will Support Israel”, and as such the future for Israeli and U.S. cooperation against terrorism and attempts of genocide seems only bright.
Once again you simply spew ridiculous proclamations with no evidence to back them up.
Leading Zionists instrumental in US invasion of Iraq:
Ricard Perle
Paul Wolfowitz
Elliot Abrams
Lewis Libby
Douglas Feith
You combination of shameless lying and insisting you are the Queen of facts is particularly psychotic.
I actually made the mistake of looking up some of these people and was somewhat disappointed if not particularly unsurprised. You think a bunch of seemingly have-been political consultant types and a short-tenured World Bank Chief masterminded U.S. policy as a bunch of low-level apparatchiks. The U.S. controls the World Bank, not the other way around. Anyways, your continued attempts to resort to attempted insults only hurts your “comments”, not the other way around.
A very low quality attempt at rebuttal.
Thanks. As I’ve recently found out well-researched, clear and concise arguments on the internet are “low quality”, and as such I can only hope to aspire to such a standard.
You suffer from an acute case of self over-estimation.
Your comments are just not all that, and garner little support here at anti-war.com.
I’ve encountered our brand of fake intellectual falsely claiming to be fact based dozens of times before, and you’re consistently 3rd rate and completely lacking in the ability to accurately self assess.
Aw, I kind of appreciated what happened in the other thread where the conversation just kind of ended when I got back from doing real-life things. But I guess your just a much better “responder” than me, as you’ve magically known what Netanyahu and his government’s secret private thoughts have been this whole time. No evidence or support offered, your just that good. As someone whose actually had friends from that religion in real life (reader context – another thread), I highly doubt if you had them and shared your thoughts and opinions with them it would have gone over well, as while it might not be too hard to find people to share hatred with its probably much harder to find people to share that hatred with when its blindingly obvious it would apply to them as well. I’m sure their favorite part was when you told them about all the Jewish conspiracies involving the World Bank and how there must be death to Zionism, right? As for the hospital, you literally started out with a citation earlier that began with disproving the false claims of the hospital bombing being caused by the IDF, so if you cant see the irony in continuing with that false assertion I can. As for me, this is the first time I’ve particularly responded to such an “interesting” anti-Israel commenter, and given I have other things in my life I’m not sure if thats an experience I’ll be having much more of. But feel free to view spending an inordinate amount of time on a website comment section as a point of pride, if it brings you joy to lose “arguments” online to strangers I’m not going to stop you.
Initial posts on X sent by Hananya Naftali, a digital aide to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, aroused suspicion. “Israeli Air Force struck a Hamas terrorist base inside a hospital in Gaza,” he wrote, but the post was almost immediately deleted.
So what exactly, your hyper-fixating on a few actions of the Israeli government’s communication team? A “digital aid” does not sound like someone with access to highly classified information, and as such given the probably high amount of content he may have had to produce and the relatively short timeframe in which he was probably asked to produce it we have to defer to what actually probably happened, that being him probably making a mistake. Sans the deletion when he probably realized what happened. Video metadata is not definitive proof against a video, as that can be messed up in processes such as compression and re-uploading. The U.S. intelligence community, as per a statement by Joe Biden, has recently thrown their weight behind the assessment that Israel was absolutely not responsible, and if your “evidence” is one errant tweet by what appears to be a low-level assistant that was quickly deleted and a claim about video meta-data I think its clear who would have a factual, supported evidence on this.
Just presenting the facts. I thought you liked facts. I guess that’s just one more of your many lies.
Is that the same US intelligence community that claimed Iraq had weapons of mass destruction?
Intelligence agencies frequently engage in psychological operations, ie propaganda.
Israel is bombing Gaza with more bombs than the US dropped on Afghanistan during its entire war there.
Israel has stated its intentions to bomb hospitals because they are alleged by Israel to be used by Hamas as shields.
Israel has attacked and bombed hospitals in the past in Gaza and during this recent mass murder campaign.
So, my skepticism is justified. Your certainty is partisan propaganda.
No, one individual (Dick Cheney) manipulating the U.S. intelligence system to reach his conclusions through a tactic that has been recognized and prevented from happening agin does not disqualify the U.S. intelligence community. To imply anything else is disingenuous and false. The amount of military resources Israel might use or be using in its justified self-defense counter-terrorism and anti-genocide operations has nothing to do with the morality of the operations, and they reserve every right to target infrastructure that could be housing Hamas weapons, personnel, and equipment after giving residents of the “Gaza” region ample warning and time to evacuate. You have not refuted or invalidated any of my points, and such I continue to remain free to have “certainty” in both the operations and conduct of the IDF.
“No, one individual (Dick Cheney) manipulating the U.S. intelligence system to reach his conclusions through a tactic that has been recognized and prevented from happening again does not disqualify the U.S. intelligence community. ”
Hit a nerve there did I? Well if you’re a spook, you’re a dumb one.
Zionist morality is an oxymoron, moron.
Your apologetics for mass murder are vile and quite strained. Perhaps there’s a conscience in their somewhere after all.
Oh no, you’ve claimed that your really getting to me. Except as the person actually experiencing my own pov, I cant really confirm that, huh. While there are the perhaps obligatory at this point claims without any evidence or support, I’ll take the conscience compliment I guess.
“In 2014, for example, during Israel’s invasion of Gaza, more than 2,200 Palestinians were killed, 556 of whom were children; this is compared to 64 Israelis who were killed in that round of violence.”
Truly moral & restrained.
Some more facts, since you’re so hungry for them, indeed starved.
Let us take some concrete examples. The standing orders given to the soldiers entering the Gaza Strip in 2014 were clear: Palestinians who did not heed Israel’s warnings to evacuate their homes and flee south became legitimate military targets. One soldier explained to the Israeli organisation Breaking the Silence that:
“There weren’t really any rules of engagement … They told us: ‘There aren’t supposed to be any civilians there. If you spot someone, shoot’. Whether the person posed a threat or not wasn’t even a question; and that makes sense to me. If you shoot someone in Gaza it’s cool, no big deal. First of all because it’s Gaza, and second because that’s warfare. That, too, was made clear to us – they told us, ‘Don’t be afraid to shoot’, and they made it clear that there are no uninvolved civilians.”
https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/10/19/the-myth-of-israels-most-moral-army/print/
The irony is that Israel actually uses the laws of war to portray itself as the moral actor. As it has done earlier this week, in 2014, the Israeli army instructed hundreds of thousands of Palestinians to leave their homes and travel to the south knowing full well that among those living in the area are thousands of elderly and sick people and that the time it gave them to vacate the area was not sufficient.
But Israel also knows that warning the Palestinian civilians and instructing them to leave will allow it to deny the very existence of civilians within northern Gaza. That is precisely the meaning of the phrase “there are no uninvolved civilians”, since it brands all those who have remained in the area – even if civilians are still the majority and are unable to leave, as the United Nations has averred about the current situation – as “participants in hostilities” or as “voluntary human shields”. Such terms render these civilians “killable”, according to some interpretations of the laws of war.
And since the claim to morality is based on compliance with the laws of war, the lethal violence that Israeli soldiers use against civilians who remain in their homes is then constructed as morally justifiable and even ethical.
Alongside this legal discourse, Israel also circulates a colonial narrative that presents the Palestinians as “human animals” that do not understand the laws of war. By combining these colonial tropes and “legalese”, it frames Palestinians as immoral barbarians who “deserve to die”. This rhetorical move, in turn, construes Israeli soldiers as the opposite, namely, the “civilised” and moral “fighters”.
Furthermore, the linking of international law with colonial tropes – or what we might call colonial legal discourse – helps justify the execution of massive violence. About a month ago, CBS News’s 60 Minutes programme interviewed Shira Etting, an Israeli pilot who had been active in the protests against attempts by the government of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to overhaul Israel’s legislature. “If you want pilots to be able to fly and shoot bombs and missiles into houses knowing they might be killing children,” she said, “they must have the strongest confidence in the [politicians] making those decisions.”
Etting nowhere admits to any intention of killing children. Yet she does acknowledge that when she and her fellow pilots set off on a mission over the Gaza skies, they understand that the missiles they fire may very well – and often do – end up killing civilians.
In other words, Israeli pilots, like Etting, know that they kill children when dropping massive bombs on city centres, but since they did not “intend” to kill them, international law as well as media outlets like CBS News and Western leaders consider their actions to be morally sound. This is despite the bombardment these pilots carry out resulting in the death of exponentially more civilians, including children, than in a Hamas attack. Western media outlets portray them as heroes who did not intend to kill non-combatants – euphemistically called “collateral damage”.
Note, however, that within this colonial legal discourse, it is not only the perpetrators of violence who are framed as morally distinct, but the victims of this violence as well. Israeli victims have names and life stories, which have been tragically cut short. These victims, in other words, are presented as people worthy of being grieved.
Palestinian victims, by contrast, remain nameless; and they tend to be presented as mere numbers rather than flesh and blood human beings whose lives also deserve to be grieved. This, too, helps to perpetuate the myth of the Israeli military as moral.
Ultimately, then, it is not only that those who deploy the weapons of the strong are considered more ethical because they kill innocent people from a distance, but also because the colonial legal discourse constructs the people they kill as “human animals”, “collateral damage”, or as a statistic.
So long as the dead are dehumanised in this way and, consequently, presented as unworthy of being grieved, the death drive will continue unabated. This, I fear, is a recipe for genocidal retribution.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/10/19/the-myth-of-israels-most-moral-army/print/
here’s what’s going to happen. The governments of Egypt and Jordan will be overthrown. Then Israel will be attacked from all sides.
That will be the result of Israel’s barbarism.
A bit earlier, at 9:04pm, the Israeli army had published a post blaming the strike on a misfired missile launched by PIJ: “From the analysis of the operational systems of the [Israeli army], an enemy rocket barrage was carried out towards Israel, which passed through the vicinity of the hospital when it was hit,” it said.
However, it transpired the post had been edited. An earlier version had included alleged video evidence.
But Aric Toler, a journalist on the visual investigations team at The New York Times, disputed the accuracy of the footage, noting that the time stamp indicated it had been recorded 40 minutes after the time of the explosion.
As a jumbled narrative emerged, sceptics seized on comments by Tal Heinrich, a spokesperson for Netanyahu, who told CNN on Tuesday night that the “[Israeli army] does not target hospitals”, adding, “We only target Hamas strongholds, arms depots and terror targets
In a statement issued on the night of the explosion, the World Health Organization (WHO) pointed out that there had actually been over 51 attacks on healthcare facilities in Gaza since the start of the conflict on October 7. Fifteen healthcare workers had been killed and 27 injured.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/18/what-is-israels-narrative-on-the-gaza-hospital-explosion
Many are inclined to disbelieve the Israeli government and army since the death of Al Jazeera journalist Shireen Abu Akleh. The Israeli government first denied any role in her death. Then, after multiple independent investigations confirmed that only an Israeli soldier could have killed her, the country’s government conceded that she likely did die from an Israeli shot.
Assassinated in May 2022, while reporting on Israeli incursions into the Jenin refugee camp, the veteran Palestinian-American journalist was shot in the head by a soldier.
At the time, Naftali Bennett, then the prime minister of Israel, responded with an online message, accusing Palestinians of her murder. “According to the information we have gathered, it appears likely that armed Palestinians – who were firing indiscriminately at the time – were responsible for the unfortunate death of the journalist,” he said.
Later, the Israeli military said there was a “high possibility” that slain Abu Akleh was “accidentally hit” by Israeli army fire. However, it decided not to pursue a criminal investigation into her death. This month, a report from a UN-mandated investigative body said Israeli forces used “lethal force without justification” when they shot and killed the journalist, violating her “right to life”.
Scepticism is also fuelled by the ruthlessness of the Israeli attacks on the besieged population of Gaza. At 7pm on October 17, shortly before the blast, Itamar Ben-Gvir, Israel’s minister of national security, had said on X: “As long as Hamas does not release the hostages in its hands – the only thing that needs to enter Gaza are hundreds of tons of explosives from the Air Force, not an ounce of humanitarian aid.”
Except no. Israel did not “assassinate” an “Al-Jazeera” journalist (their name literally translates to “Arabian peninsula”), they were practically in the middle of an active shootout between Israeli Defense Forces and “Palestinians” they were trying to cover in which they unfortunately did not survive (they appeared to have died from stray gunfire but the specific side is still contested). And no, an Israeli politician making a statement underscoring the importance of filtration for weapons, personnel and equipment (“Humanitarian aid” has previously been used as cover to hide these deliveries before) and the importance of precision strikes against Hamas militants does not invalidate anything I have said. But if skepticism is all you have to go on, I guess thats what you’ll just keep trying to believe.
https://disq.us/url?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.com%2Fnews%2Fworld-middle-east-61403320%3AriKfKPE_baeeYVqGCAdu8XBCqUA&cuid=18764
I thought you had better things to do? Was that just another of your many lies?
Clearly you will attempt to justify any and all Israeli crimes against Palestinians, but you will howl in protest when those tables are turned on you.
That you continue to spew bullsh-t about the IDF’s “precision strikes” regardless of how many thousands of civilians are murdered by the IDF.
I do. Responding to the same generic statements of preciously little evidence to back wild claims or just unsupported claims and statements has been making me consider just making a generic statement in response to these and “reusing” it. But if you actually think I’ve been doing anything like “ …howl in protest” that probably says much more about your projection than me. And no, for the last time the IDF does not “murder” civilians when there are sometimes unfortunately civilian casualties after precision strikes against terrorist and attempted genocide organizations like Hamas, especially both because organizations like Hamas specifically choose those locations for maximum manipulation of both the public and the press and because the Israeli Defense Forces have been taking every reasonable precaution to prevent civilian casualties in their counter-terrorism and anti-genocide operations. But I guess you used a curse-word against me, so your definitely not just projecting because you cant prove anything right?
” for the last time the IDF does not ‘murder’ civilians when there are sometimes unfortunately civilian casualties after precision strikes against terrorist and attempted genocide organizations”
Phew, I’m glad that’s the last time you’re going to tell that whopper.
3000 dead Gazans is already more than twice as many as were killed in the Hamas attack, but the Israeli blood lust remains undiminshed. there’s nothing reasonable or restrained about that.
Your constant hypocrisy bullsh-t accusations regarding “lack of proof” and lack of facts” is really a tired rhetorical conceit at this point.
I’ve never denied that Israel’s counter-terrorism and anti-genocide operations could unfortunately have civilian casualties after precision strikes against terrorist and attempted genocide organizations like Hamas, especially because organizations like Hamas specifically choose those locations for maximum manipulation of both the public and the press. However, the Israeli Defense Forces continues to be taking every reasonable precaution to prevent civilian casualties in their counter-terrorism and anti-genocide operations, something you are “constant” in having never disproven. But I guess I just don’t know when I’ve been beaten, as you’ve definitely proven that Israel has “ …nothing reasonable or restrained” and has “bloodlust”, right? Because otherwise that would be a “lack of proof”, something that you have definitely, never ever done, right?
I’ve provided plenty of proof.
I showed you some of the numbers of people killed by each side, IOW direct evidence.
All you’ve done is bullshit about some mythical concept called Zionist morality.
No, you provided some numbers about casualty amounts, and I explained why the Israeli military would be justified in attacking terrorists attempting acts of genocide even if it could cause civilian casualties despite the Israeli Defense Forces taking every reasonable measure to prevent civilian casualties. The reason I am not accepting this as “evidence” anymore is because I explained all of this approximately 6 “replies” ago, while you have continued to “repost” this as if it were definitive proof in your favor. If you truly believe Zionism, as in a political ideology that believes a certain religious group should have a nation-state to protect itself after the largest genocide in history, cannot have morality, then you don’t even realize you’ve already invalidated yourself.
Clearly, it’s a case of my facts and your explanation, and your explanation is unsound, based on trite rationalizations of clear war crimes committed by a colonial occupier against an occupied nation.
You foolishly spout boilerplate Zionist propaganda and call it facts, blowin’ it out your ass and calling it a symphony.
What a gem! ROFL!
How would Israel be committing “clear war-crimes” or be a “colonial occupier” when Israeli governmental policy toward “Palestinian Resistance” has taken every possible step toward “reconciliation” and general de-escalation, with Israeli security forces even pulling out of Gaza, granting the region effective self-government, their ostensible goal, yet terrorist attacks and calls for genocide from these organizations did not cease. Israeli Security Forces routinely allow children hoping for “martyrdom” to attack their tanks and personnel, strikes against known terrorists use special forces instead of explosives for fear of civilian casualties, something that results in far more military casualties, yet this muted response wouldn’t qualify as self-defense? If a “colonial occupation” were truly the reasons for this conflict, wouldn’t the conflict cease when Hamas became the de-facto government in Gaza and gained control of the entire territory of Gaza without an Israeli Security presence? But I guess you can only condemn violence when it goes one way, right?
“How would Israel be committing “clear war-crimes” or be a “colonial occupier” when Israeli governmental policy toward “Palestinian Resistance” has taken every possible step toward “reconciliation” and general de-escalation”
Because Israel has done none of that. You don’t make your lies and your “morality of mass murder” bullsh-t true by simply repeating it incessantly.
Okay, I’m going to repeat the sourced points and evidence you have yet to disprove:
Israeli governmental policy toward “Palestinian Resistance” has taken every possible step toward “reconciliation” and general de-escalation, with Israeli security forces even pulling out of Gaza, granting the region effective self-government, their ostensible goal, yet terrorist attacks and calls for genocide from these organizations did not cease. Israeli Security Forces routinely allow children hoping for “martyrdom” to attack their tanks and personnel, strikes against known terrorists use special forces instead of explosives for fear of civilian casualties, something that results in far more military casualties, yet this muted response wouldn’t qualify as self-defense? If a “colonial occupation” were truly the reasons for this conflict, wouldn’t the conflict cease when Hamas became the de-facto government in Gaza and gained control of the entire territory of Gaza without an Israeli Security presence?
Not a single “source” offered. Just a bunch of assertions.
Okay, here’s one for “Palestinian” rock throwing:
https://disq.us/url?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.memri.org%2Freports%2Fjoy-mothers-palestinian-martyrs%3AuVatOdX4HvN-PUkXte4oyj_NbSA&cuid=18764
Here’s a somewhat decent analysis that goes into why Israel would clearly not be an “apartheid state”:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/05/no-israel-is-not-an-apartheid-state/
This article shows how the IDF has used special forces more in recent years, or as they put it “targeted killing” but still:
https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2020/08/05/the-best-israeli-special-forces-units/
I have been engaging with this user and actually posted the first two sources earlier, so no this would not just be a “bunch of assertions” as it has never been.
The Israelis created a ghetto in Gaza because they thought less IDF would die if the occupation of Gaza ended.
Palestine is Palestine, Israel is a colonialist abomination.
From river to sea,Palestine will be free.
I can only pray that the IDF murderers will be wiped out when they attack Gaza.
You reverse roles here. The Israelis are the genocidal ethnic cleansers. The Palestinians are the victims of IDF mass murder.
The numbers speak loud and clear.
At best your claims of IDF innocence are highly debatable philosophical mutterings that wilt in the face of the brutality of the IDF.
I haven’t disputed that the amount of “Palestinian” civilian casualties could be approaching or surpassed the initial amount of civilian casualties Hamas killed in its terrorism and acts of genocide against Israel, however, as I have been explaining very clearly this is solely due to Hamas hiding weapons, personnel and equipment in civilian infrastructure in order to create these circumstances, and as such they are entirely responsible for all casualties in this conflict, as well as for purposefully attacking and clearly putting civilians in danger. However, since you seem to imply that a high enough amount of “Palestinian” civilian casualties that the IDF takes all reasonable measures to avoid in its counter-terrorism and anti-genocide operations would invalidate their response, let me ask you a question: what happened the last time members of a certain religion were dispersed across the world, mostly unarmed, and were not able to successfully fight back against “movements” attempting to commit genocide against them. The largest genocide in the history of the entire world. It is precisely for this reason that the state of Israel and the Israeli Defense Forces must always fight back against any attempts of genocide against them, and to imply that they should not is simply evil.
” haven’t disputed that the amount of “Palestinian” civilian casualties could be approaching or surpassed the initial amount of civilian casualties Hamas killed.”
After that, it’s all lies, the typical Zionist rationalization for mass murder.
If its all lies, why cant you answer my question? What happened the last time members of a certain religion were dispersed across the world, mostly unarmed, and were not able to successfully fight back against “movements” attempting to commit genocide against them? If you really can’t answer it I’ll do it for you: what would happen now if the Israeli Defense don’t fight back against attempted genocide today. As I have clearly stated an excruciatingly large amounts of time by now, the Israeli Defense Forces take every reasonable precaution to prevent civilian casualties in their counter-terrorism and anti-genocide operations (something I have supported with evidence and sources), you cannot simply tell members of a certain religion to not engage in justified self-defense when its very clear what happens if they don’t.
The attack on 10/7 was not an attempt at genocide.
The Israeli slaughter in Gaza is not self-defense.
Palestinians are not responsible for the crimes of the Nazis. Your attempt to pimp the Holocaust to justify Israeli ethnic cleansing is vile hypocrisy .
Defund Israel!
If a group whose charter explicitly calls for the genocide of the Jewish people illegally crosses into Israel and starts massacring innocent civilians what is? And no, no-one ever claimed “Palestinians” were responsible for the Holocaust, thats a dishonest deflection as when I’m talking about the targets of Israel’s justified self-defense counter-terrorism and anti-genocide operations I’m clearly referring to terrorism and attempted genocide organizations like Hamas. But I guess your going to keep trying to deflect, as there’s precious little evidence against Israel and the Israeli Defense Force but plenty against terrorist organizations like Hamas.
They’re just “some numbers about casualty amounts” but that’s because your a Zionist psychopath, which would just be your problem, except it seems that Zionist psychopaths run the show here in my country.
The Zionists billionaires in the US are creating blacklists and the foul Zionist media continues to allow hate speech against Palestinians, but demonizes critics of Israel and US support for Israel.
That type of arrogant and belligerent nastiness can easily backfire. It looks downright unAmerican to me.
I’d consider preventing genocide a very American thing, but what would I know, I’ve only lived there for most of my life. If that makes me or Robert Murdoch (or officially now his son Lachlan Murdoch) a “psychopath” I think I can take that as a compliment, thanks!
The US is aiding mass murder in Gaza
Israeli is trying to ethnically cleanse Gaza. They’re not opposing genocide, they’re committing it.
Israel has the Palestinians locked up, walled off, surveiled and they kill thousands a year, and you say that Hamas is perpetrating genocide?
You’re a filthy psycho.
If your just going to keep repeating the same claims I’ve already disproven I’m just going to keep repeating how I’ve previously debunked them. And if your talk of “killing” is the unfortunate civilian casualties in some precision strikes, I invalidated that claim at the very beginning of this “conversation”.
As for your “open-air prison” comment, you clearly don’t know what your talking about, as most prisoners would be very jealous of a prison without any substantial security presence from the people “keeping them in there” or something and only occasionally filtering out the worst types of weapons from between the prison and the outside world
You disproved nothing. You spouted tired Zionist propaganda about the IDF.
You lie in the service of mass murder. You are below scum.
Oh look, the moral monsters of the IDF bombed one of the oldest churches in the world.
On Thursday night, the Israeli military bombed a Greek Orthodox church in Gaza City, where dozens of Palestinian families had sought refuge from the murderous air attacks on civilian targets. As of this writing, the death toll in the bombardment of the St. Porphyrius Greek Orthodox Church had risen to eight, with dozens more reported wounded.
No one except Zionists and their corrupt lackeys buy the propaganda your pushing.
The world response of most common people, following the usual pattern we have seen before, is overwhelmingly favorable to the Palestinians and critical of the Israelis. Big to massive demonstrations of that sort have occurred all over the world; including in the U.S., France, Germany, and England. Only tiny handfuls of Zionist supporters have mounted small demonstrations in the West.
The Palestinian health ministry announced on Thursday that 1,524 children were among the 3,785 Palestinians killed by Israel’s fierce and indiscriminate strikes on the Palestinian enclave. The victims also included 1,000 women.
That’s neither precise, restrained or moral.
Have you not been listening to anything I’ve been saying:
…as I have been explaining very clearly this is solely due to Hamas hiding weapons, personnel and equipment in civilian infrastructure in order to create these circumstances, and as such they are entirely responsible for all casualties in this conflict, as well as for purposefully attacking and clearly putting civilians in danger. However, since you seem to imply that a high enough amount of “Palestinian” civilian casualties that the IDF takes all reasonable measures to avoid in its counter-terrorism and anti-genocide operations would invalidate their response, let me ask you a question: what happened the last time members of a certain religion were dispersed across the world, mostly unarmed, and were not able to successfully fight back against “movements” attempting to commit genocide against them. The largest genocide in the history of the entire world. It is precisely for this reason that the state of Israel and the Israeli Defense Forces must always fight back against any attempts of genocide against them, and to imply that they should not is simply evil.
I’ve read and responded to each and every one of your lying apologetics for mass murder.
Palestinian resistance is not an attempt to commit genocide. It’s an attempt to regain control of THEIR nation from the racist, colonialist killers.
Stop pimping the holocaust in an effort to justify Israel’s mas murder of Palestinians. It’s disgraceful.
“to imply that they should not is simply evil.”
You are simply evil.
Zionism is simply evil.
Israel is simply evil.
Really, why would Hamas’s charter specifically call for it then?
https://disq.us/url?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.msn.com%2Fen-us%2Fnews%2Fworld%2Funderstanding-hamas-s-genocidal-ideology%2Far-AA1i0jaZ%3AcPp2dhnOy1Q8glT4lLsWw9c-1jw&cuid=18764
And no, I’m not going to bother responding to your final unsupported claims and assertions, as the fact that appears to be all you have left to resort to shows much more about you than me.
LOL. More Zio-lies. The Hamas Charter calls for “The complete destruction of Israel as an essential condition for the liberation of Palestine and the establishment of a theocratic state based on Islamic law of Israel.”
While I am opposed to any theocratic state, the call to destroy Israel is simply a call to destroy the colonial occupation of Israel by Zionists. that’s not the same as calling for genocide.
Zionists have always demonized any opposition to their colonization of Palestine.
“I’m not going to bother responding to your final unsupported claims and assertions” Because you can’t come up with a credible rebuttal.
The Hamas Charter also reads:
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[T]he Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah’s promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:
“The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews.”
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And:
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The Movement adds its efforts to the efforts of all those who are active in the Palestinian arena. Arab and Islamic Peoples should augment by further steps on their part; Islamic groupings all over the Arab world should also do the same, since all of these are the best-equipped for the future role in the fight with the warmongering Jews.
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The Hamas Charter also reads:
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[T]he Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah’s promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:
“The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews.”
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And:
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The Movement adds its efforts to the efforts of all those who are active in the Palestinian arena. Arab and Islamic Peoples should augment by further steps on their part; Islamic groupings all over the Arab world should also do the same, since all of these are the best-equipped for the future role in the fight with the warmongering Jews.
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OK, that’s unfortunate, but still just words as opposeds to:
According to the latest United Nations Organisation for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs report, 25 percent of the territory’s residential buildings, amounting to 98,000 housing units, have been destroyed. There have been 59 attacks on health care facilities, including 17 hospitals and 23 ambulances, killing 491 people, 16 of whom were on-duty health care workers. The bombardments have hit 170 educational facilities, and severely damaged the territory’s sanitation and water infrastructure.
Thousands pf Gazans dead and many more to come.
Wow. Just wow. So your forced to acknowledge what Hamas actually stands for, as opposed to just pretending what would be going on would be “Palestinian resistance” fighting against “oppression”, and your only response is that the Israeli military has hit some of the civilian infrastructure Hamas has deliberately been hiding in. Where else would they be supposed to be hitting, if they don’t the weapons, personnel and equipment Hamas hides would inflict much more civilian casualties on Israel than they ever would in “Gaza”! And since you choose to continue with the brain-dead civilian casualty angle despite me proving and making it very clear that the Israeli Defense Forces take every reasonable measure to reduce civilian casualties in their counter-terrorism and anti-genocide operations, here’s me already addressing this:
…as I have been explaining very clearly this is solely due to Hamas hiding weapons, personnel and equipment in civilian infrastructure in order to create these circumstances, and as such they are entirely responsible for all casualties in this conflict, as well as for purposefully attacking and clearly putting civilians in danger. However, since you seem to imply that a high enough amount of “Palestinian” civilian casualties that the IDF takes all reasonable measures to avoid in its counter-terrorism and anti-genocide operations would invalidate their response, let me ask you a question: what happened the last time members of a certain religion were dispersed across the world, mostly unarmed, and were not able to successfully fight back against “movements” attempting to commit genocide against them. The largest genocide in the history of the entire world. It is precisely for this reason that the state of Israel and the Israeli Defense Forces must always fight back against any attempts of genocide against them, and to imply that they should not is simply evil.
You are completely wrong here.
Israel is carpet bombing Gaza to minimize IDF casualties in the upcoming invasion, and is quite willing to kill 50 Palestinian citizens to save one IDF life.
Zionism values some lives far more highly than others.
Zionism is a form of racism.
I’m not quite sure how to respond to these “new” comments. On one hand you seem to have softened your rhetoric from the literal “hip-hip hooray” cheering of the deaths of innocent IDF soldiers, on the other hand you still have yet to prove your main assertion that official Israeli policy toward “Palestinians” would be a purposeful co-ordinated attempt of genocide, especially considering the only significant times Israeli security forces have had a presence in the “Gaza” region since approximately the 2000s has been in limited counter-terrorism operations against known terrorist groups that did not appear to remain there for any particularly long period of time. As such, while I “appreciate” you appearing to climb down from those positions it still doesn’t appear as if you’ve proven what I assume you’ve been trying to prove.
“innocent IDF soldiers”
Netanyahu declared war.
In a war, military personnel are not considered innocents.
They are considered combatants.
They are protecting their friends, families, relatives and loved ones from being massacred at concerts, in bunkers, in their own homes by rockets and terrorists with automatic rifles. I’d consider that pretty innocent.
Nope, they’re killing innocent civilians by the thousands.
They are legitimate targets of war and I hope they are slaughtered.
You don’t even seem to realize the depths you have sunk to. I take back what I was saying about you “softening” your positions. If your family was being killed by terrorists in their own home, how would you feel about someone quite literally cheering on your death for daring to defend them against these sorts of attacks today and tomorrow. What was it you were calling my responses earlier. Oh right, “cruel and vile”.
The depths I’ve sunk to?
I’m not the one defending mass murder, Zionist.
“If your family was being killed by terrorists in their own home”
That’s what’s been happening to Palestinians since 1948, pig. The numbers speak for themselves,
Thousands of men, women and children have been killed in Israeli shellings and bombings. In the 2014 fighting alone, 1,600 Palestinian civilians were killed, compared to six Israelis (a ratio of 270 to 1), and 550 Palestinian children perished, as against one Israeli child (a ratio of 550 to 1).
But in your Zionist arrogance you think you can justify that mass murder with vile lies about the morality of the IDF killers.
Oppressors generally decry resistance as “terrorism,” recognizing as legitimate conduct only their own ruthlessness and cruelty.
I’m not softening my attitude towards Israeli mass murder.
Israel is a murderous racist monstrosity.
I’ve laid out pretty clearly what’s actually been going, so I’ll give you the same scenario that lays it out pretty clearly and that I expect you to actually finish reading:
Your Benjamin Nehtanyahu, Israeli PM, head “Zionist” and all the rest. In the aftermath of the 1968 Yom Kippur war, most of your “Arab” neighbors have generally tried to stop eliminating you through military force, yet after the Iranian “Revolution” the “ayatollah”s have become increasingly confrontational and bold in their attempts to eliminate you through a strategy of “death by a thousand cuts”. As such, they provide advanced weaponry, personnel and equipment typically used by nation-states to their proxy forces that typically defer to them, who in turn commit terrorist attacks against your citizens, such as bus-bombings in Jerusalem (Hamas) or missile attacks again your civilian population (2006 Israel-Hezzbolah conflict: https://www.britannica.com/…. In 2008 your security forces withdraw from “Gaza”, with only a security blockade to prevent further weapons, personnel, and equipment from being used to continue attacking your countries civilian population. This self-government is their ostensible goal, yet terrorist attacks and calls for genocide from these organizations do not cease. In perhaps a misguided attempt to de-escalate tensions, Israeli Security Forces routinely allow children hoping for “martyrdom” to attack their tanks and personnel, strikes against known terrorists use special forces instead of explosives for fear of civilian casualties, something that results in far more military casualties, yet this does not stop the deaths. To at-least prevent further deaths of your innocent population, the Israeli military has completed several technological defense breakthroughs, such as the Iron Dome Missile system and a high-tech border fence with underground walls to prevent terrorist incursions into your territory. In 2021, the terrorist and genocidal organization known as Hamas launches a horrific rocket-volley in an attempt to overload the Iron Dome missile-defense system, yet it mostly stays strong. However, on October 7, 2023, Hamas terrorists use a high-tech and co-ordinated strategy using drones and artillery to bomb portions of the fence, breaching into Israel. Additionally, numerous rockets are used in an attempt to overload the Iron Missile Defense system. After entering Israel, they massacre women, children, and countless innocent lives at concerts, in their homes and while simply driving in numerous communities. The Israeli Military arrives and secures the area, taking casualties, yet it becomes quite clear that the blockade around the region has not prevented the flow of dangerous weapons of terrorism and mass-murder from being delivered through it, most significantly through covert Iranian weapons transfers. The explicitly genocidal Hamas terrorist organization continues to hide in the region, and if they are not eliminated it is quite clear their nation-state backer in Iran is quite capable of providing them with the advanced weaponry to launch another attack, perhaps worse than this one. What will you do to protect your country?
What if another 1,000 or 10,000 of your IDF heroes are killed and wounded.
Then Israel kills 3,000 or 30,000 or 50, 000 and unites the entire Arab and Muslim world against it?
That could happen, and once it does it won’t be easily defeated, short of WW3
Israel’s reckless and barbaric invasion will take the region and the world into war!
Okay, since you don’t appear to be getting what’s actually going on I’ll give you a scenario:
Your Benjamin Nehtany, Israeli PM, head “Zionist” and all the rest. In the aftermath of the 1968 Yom Kippur war, most of your “Arab” neighbors have generally tried to stop eliminating you through military force, yet after the Iranian “Revolution” the “ayatollah”s have become increasingly confrontational and bold in their attempts to eliminate you through a strategy of “death by a thousand cuts”. As such, they provide advanced weaponry, personnel and equipment typically used by nation-states to their proxy forces that typically defer to them, who in turn commit terrorist attacks against your citizens, such as bus-bombings in Jerusalem (Hamas) or missile attacks again your civilian population (2006 Israel-Hezzbolah conflict: https://www.britannica.com/event/2006-Lebanon-War). In 2008 your security forces withdraw from “Gaza”, with only a security blockade to prevent further weapons, personnel, and equipment from being used to continue attacking your countries civilian population. This self-government is their ostensible goal, yet terrorist attacks and calls for genocide from these organizations do not cease. In perhaps a misguided attempt to de-escalate tensions, Israeli Security Forces routinely allow children hoping for “martyrdom” to attack their tanks and personnel, strikes against known terrorists use special forces instead of explosives for fear of civilian casualties, something that results in far more military casualties, yet this does not stop the deaths. To at-least prevent further deaths of your innocent population, the Israeli military has completed several technological defense breakthroughs, such as the Iron Dome Missile system and a high-tech border fence with underground walls to prevent terrorist incursions into your territory. In 2021, the terrorist and genocidal organization known as Hamas launches a horrific rocket-volley in an attempt to overload the Iron Dome missile-defense system, yet it mostly stays strong. However, on October 7, 2023, Hamas terrorists use a high-tech and co-ordinated strategy using drones and artillery to bomb portions of the fence, breaching into Israel. Additionally, numerous rockets are used in an attempt to overload the Iron Missile Defense system. After entering Israel, they massacre women, children, and countless innocent lives at concerts, in their homes and while simply driving in numerous communities. The Israeli Military arrives and secures the area, taking casualties, yet it becomes quite clear that the blockade around the region has not prevented the flow of dangerous weapons of terrorism and mass-murder from being delivered through it, most significantly through covert Iranian weapons transfers. The explicitly genocidal Hamas terrorist organization continues to hide in the region, and if they are not eliminated it is quite clear their nation-state backer in Iran is quite capable of providing them with the advanced weaponry to launch another attack, perhaps worse than this one. What will you do to protect your country?
Sorry. I stopped halfway through your comment.
If I want Zionist propaganda excuses for mass murder, ethnic cleansing and land theft, I can read the Zionist controlled Western media.
I’ve been watching the situation in Palestine for Years. I know what’s been going on. I know about the ascent of vile, extreme right racists to the heights of power. I’ve watched the settlers attack Palestinians with impunity.
I know that Israel supported Hamas from the beginning as a hedge against Fatah. The Zionists created a monster and its going to devour them. Unfortunately the conflict may become WW3, the ultimate war.
If Israel invades Gaza, it will pay a steep price.
So you refuse to recognize whats actually going on, and would rather just regurgitate tired unsupported lies. Israel supported Hamas before they realized quite how extreme they were. Conversely, it appears quite clear those “settlers” are isolated unfortunate instances as you have not proven otherwise. But if you choose to ignore facts, logic, and reality at-large in favor of the same repeatedly disproven tired lies, do the world a favor and stop sharing them.
“So you refuse to recognize whats actually going on and would rather just regurgitate tired unsupported lies.”
Same to you, Zionist. The World knows what you are.
“Those “settlers” are isolated unfortunate instances”
My, yuo are full of Zionists bullsh-t.
Between 2010 and 2019, nearly 3,000 Israeli settler attacks killed at least 22 Palestinians and injured 1,258 others across the occupied West Bank
Except no. You still have yet to prove these sorts of incidents would be anything beyond isolated, unfortunate events. And no, bringing up a casualty rate of 22 people does not definitively link them to the Israeli government. So if your going to continue going down this route, it remains quite clear who you would be.
“So if your going to continue going down this route, it remains quite clear who you would be.”
Go fq yourself, you vile apologist for any and all Isreali crimes.
I see we’ve finally reached the point where you can’t even pretend to be defending yourself anymore, as at this point you appear to be unable to actually prove me wrong, and and as such are forced to resorting to low-brow implications and insults. But I’m sure your just one more unsupported accusation from victory, so keep it up!
I couldn’t care less about your self serving analysis of my facts and arguments.
Your an arrogant Zionist liar in the service of mass murder.
You are beneath contempt.
Do you really think that proclaiming you.
I can get a lot lower brow, you elitist Zionist piece of sh-t.
If your once again taking the brain-dead civilian casualty angle, especially after I’ve made it very clear that the Israeli Defense Forces take every reasonable measure to reduce civilian casualties in their counter-terrorism and anti-genocide operations, I’m going to give you the same response I previously used to disprove this:
…as I have been explaining very clearly this is solely due to Hamas hiding weapons, personnel and equipment in civilian infrastructure in order to create these circumstances, and as such they are entirely responsible for all casualties in this conflict, as well as for purposefully attacking and clearly putting civilians in danger. However, since you seem to imply that a high enough amount of “Palestinian” civilian casualties that the IDF takes all reasonable measures to avoid in its counter-terrorism and anti-genocide operations would invalidate their response, let me ask you a question: what happened the last time members of a certain religion were dispersed across the world, mostly unarmed, and were not able to successfully fight back against “movements” attempting to commit genocide against them. The largest genocide in the history of the entire world. It is precisely for this reason that the state of Israel and the Israeli Defense Forces must always fight back against any attempts of genocide against them, and to imply that they should not is simply evil.
“If your once again taking the brain-dead civilian casualty angle”
Great, show us who you really are, killer.
Your lies convince no one.
Except no. I’ve been able to prove my stances with evidence and reasoning, while you have not been. So if anyone is going to take any side, it is quite clear which side any reasonable individual would pick.
” I’ve been able to prove my stances with evidence and reasoning”
The only question here is are you dishonest or insane?
Or maybe both.
Except I did exactly that in the comment you were initially “responding” to, so as such it seems quite clear what would be going on with your attempts at dishonest deflection. But I’m sure your just one more unsupported accusation from victory, so keep it up!
The dishonesty is all yours, Zionist.
Oh no, not another unsupported accusation! But I’m sure your just one more from victory, so keep it up!
LOL. Your hypocrisy runs deep.
Just because your responses are getting recursive:
Oh no, not another unsupported accusation! But I’m sure your just one more from victory, so keep it up!
“Just because your responses are getting recursive:”
ROFL@U. All you do is spout the same Zio-lies, over & over again.
It’s quite clear I’m arguing with an insane person here.
Except no, as you simply keep on repeating stories on civilian casualties, something I have explained the Israeli Defense Forces takes every reasonable measure to prevent. And if you really don’t understand that I’ve already disproven you on this:
…as I have been explaining very clearly this is solely due to Hamas hiding weapons, personnel and equipment in civilian infrastructure in order to create these circumstances, and as such they are entirely responsible for all casualties in this conflict, as well as for purposefully attacking and clearly putting civilians in danger. However, since you seem to imply that a high enough amount of “Palestinian” civilian casualties that the IDF takes all reasonable measures to avoid in its counter-terrorism and anti-genocide operations would invalidate their response, let me ask you a question: what happened the last time members of a certain religion were dispersed across the world, mostly unarmed, and were not able to successfully fight back against “movements” attempting to commit genocide against them. The largest genocide in the history of the entire world. It is precisely for this reason that the state of Israel and the Israeli Defense Forces must always fight back against any attempts of genocide against them, and to imply that they should not is simply evil.
As such, any reasonable individual can clearly see who the reasonable person would be here.
You think you can explain away 4,000 dead Gazans with your bullshit about the morality of the IDF?
Your arrogance and inhumanity is stunning.
You think you can continue to regurgitate the same tired, unsupported and already disproven accusations and have anyone who is not yourself come away supporting you? As such, the only thing that would be “stunning” would the level of projection and discoherence you appear to be displaying as you continue to attempt and fail to invalidate a counter-terrorism and anti-genocide response that takes every reasonable measure to reduce civilian casualties. But you can only condemn civilian casualties and violence when it goes one way, right?
LOL.
OK Psycho.
You don’t have a fqing clue.
Just because your responses have become recursive:
I see we’ve finally reached the point where you can’t even pretend to be defending yourself anymore, as at this point you appear to be unable to actually prove me wrong, and and as such are forced to resorting to low-brow implications and insults. But I’m sure your just one more unsupported accusation from victory, so keep it up!
LOL, you’re blatantly self serving analysis of our debate is hilarious!
Low brow aye. Who the fq do you think you, are? Little Miss Highbrow?
Just because its become quite clear these “responses” have become recursive:
I see we’ve finally reached the point where you can’t even pretend to be defending yourself anymore, as at this point you appear to be unable to actually prove me wrong, and and as such are forced to resorting to low-brow implications and insults. But I’m sure your just one more unsupported accusation from victory, so keep it up!
That all you got sht4brains
But I’m sure your just one more unsupported accusation from victory, so keep it up!
Israel is one of the leading terrorist and criminal states on Earth. With backing from the US, it tortures and kills innocent Palestinian civilians with impunity. It has done this from its US-backed formation to the present day. From its very origins, it has used terror to force more than a million Palestinians off their ancestral lands and to pen them up in cramped and deeply impoverished, dehumanizing apartheid zones. Hitler would admire the fascist Hell that Israel enforces with US support in Gaza and the West Bank.
srael’s illegal settlements in the West Bank have canceled a two-state solution, and that Israel is going for a particular kind of one-state solution – a Judeo-fascist final solution based on the ethnic cleansing, genocide, and deepening repression of Palestinians.
Most of historically, politically, and morally cognizant humanity knows that Israel was formed through the massive and genocidal ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians. From its bloody, Nazi-like formation through ethnic cleansing and mass murder – the division and destruction of Palestine – in the 1948 “Nakba” (Arab for “catastrophe”) to its seizure of the West Bank and Gaza in 1967 and beyond, the ethno-religious occupation and apartheid state of Israel has treated the Palestinians as untermensch (“inferior humans”) and its Jewish population as the region’s ubermensch (“superior people”). Israel is a racist ethno-religious state founded upon the denial, displacement, and oppression of Palestinian humanity. Its leaders believe that the Nazi Holocaust entitles them to do anything they deem necessary to “defend the Jewish state.” The Holocaust is in their minds their open-ended excuse for massive crimes against humanity and international law. They think the last century’s Holocaust against European Jewry gives them a blank check to inflict a holocaust on Arabs.
The most disturbing moment of the [Birthright Israel] trip came at the top of Masada. Our trip leader began to describe fond memories of an Italian-American neighbor from Staten Island. “But if I had to choose,” he said, suddenly earnest, “between her life and the life of a Jew I have never met, I would choose the Jew. If I had to choose between the lives of my 10 best non-Jewish friends and one Jew I’ve never met, I would choose the Jew.”
At this, even the more conservative participants seemed uncomfortable. But the guide upped the ante further. “If I had to choose between 10,000 non-Jews and one Jewish life, I would choose the Jewish life.”
Our trip leader’s eyes narrowed and he leaned closer to us, like an overzealous football coach delivering a pep talk. “Do you remember the tsunami in Asia a few years ago? It killed 100,000. If I had to choose between all those people or one Jewish life, I would choose the Jewish life.”
That’s the truly ugly face of Zionism.
“An Israeli airstrike on a UN school at the Al-Maghazi refugee camp in central Gaza killed “at least 6 people” and injured dozens on Tuesday.”
That’s your “precise, restrained and moral” IDF killers.
“”What about those Palestinians in hospital who are on life support and babies in incubators whose life support and incubators will have to be turned off because the Israelis have cut off the power to Gaza?” reporter Kamali Melbourne asked.
“Are you seriously keep on asking me about Palestinian civilians?” Bennett raged. “What is wrong with you?”
“We’re fighting Nazis!” Bennett claimed. “I’m not going to feed electricity or water to my enemies!”
Another Zionist creep exposes his bloodlust and immorality.
“At around 2:00 am, some 25 Israeli settlers, most of them armed with assault rifles, entered the community and began to shoot between the houses, calling on us to leave”, Habes Kaabneh, a 47-year-old displaced Palestinian, told TNA.
“They entered our trailer-houses and tents and pushed families out violently”, said Kaabneh. “Women and children ran in chaos, and some of them escaped down to the Valley and were lost for several hours.”
“A settler hit me with the back of the rifle on my shoulder and ordered me to leave, inside my tent and in front of my children,” a woman of the displaced community, who asked not to be named, told TNA.
“I ran with my children and other women and children of the community down to the bottom of Wadi Al-Siq Valley as the settlers followed us, and I took refuge in a cave for four hours until the settlers left”, she said. “I then walked with my children more than a kilometre to reach the road, where my brother-in-law was in a car, looking for us”, she detailed.
“I left all our clothes, our kitchen tools, our money and my children’s books and toys, let alone my chicken and goats”, she explained.
“All we ask is to let us return for some hours, just to take our things that the settlers are stealing”, she added.
“Florida Republican Rep. Brian Mast wore his Israeli Defense Forces uniform to Capitol Hill on Friday.
“As the only member to serve with both the United States Army and the Israel Defense Forces, I will always stand with Israel,” Mast said.
These dual citizen scum should be deported.
Former congressman Justin Amash on Friday revealed that multiple members of his Palestinian Christian family were killed by Israel’s deadly airstrike on Saint Porphyrius Orthodox Church’s compound.
“The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) on Friday tweeted and then swiftly deleted video confirming the Israeli Airforce conducted an airstrike right next to the ancient Saint Porphyrius Orthodox Church in Gaza.”
There’s your IDF heroes, bombing churches(and mosques). I also hear the Zionists like to spit on Christian in Israel.
Israel elected to mock UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak on Thursday by hosting him to meet with “victims of terrorism” at the King David Hotel, the site of the Zionist Irgun’s deadly 1946 terrorist attack against the British which killed 91 and injured
Here’s your bloodthirsty Zionists:
https://rumble.com/embed/v3nww3d/?pub=jj93z
Support for Israel is cratering among Americans.
Only our corrupt elites support the Zionist mass murder.
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Israeli settlers have expelled at least two Palestinian Bedouin communities in the occupied West Bank since the new war on Gaza, which raises the number of Palestinian communities displaced by Israeli settlers since January to 10, the Palestinian Stop The Wall movement told The New Arab.
By Thursday, 19 October, around 40 Palestinian families in the community of Wadi Al-Siq, on the eastern slopes of the West Bank hills overlooking the Jordan Valley, were forced from their homes by Israeli settlers. Members of the community who took refuge in the neighbouring town of Taybeh told TNA on Saturday that Israeli settlers didn’t give them time to take their belongings, as they forced them out.
In Taybeh, families have taken refuge in the town’s surroundings after asking permission from the mayor. Families put up improvised tents provided by the local community between olive trees, barely enough to shelter the women and children. Some men have been sleeping on mattresses placed on the dirt at the foot of the trees.
from 2008 to this September: 308 Israeli deaths; 6,407 Palestinian deaths; 308 Israeli deaths — a 20 to 1 ratio (https://www.ochaopt.org/dat…, which will be many times expanded against the Palestinians by the genocidal attack that just begins with force marching under threat, and use, of bombs, a million people to squeeze into the million already densely packed Palestinians of south Gaza, with cut off of water, food, medical supplies, and no exit available.
the German police and judiciary have banned pro-Palestinian protests across the country. Schools are preventing pupils from displaying any signs of solidarity with the Palestinians, while ordinary citizens, including Germans, Arabs and Jews can be arrested for peacefully demonstrating on behalf the beleaguered Palestinians in Gaza. In one recent case, a Jewish woman carrying a placard with the text “As a Jew & Israeli Stop the Genocide in Gaza” was arrested by police when she walked alone across a public square in the Berlin suburb of Neukölln.
That’s what you Zionists are. You want to demonize and shut down opposition to mass murder.
Death to Zionism!
Defund Israel!
You are ignoring facts logic and reality, you lying Zionist pig.
Israel still has time to rethink the ground invasion.
Israel still has time to avoid the Saladin solution, when the Muslim masses rise up, overthrow their leaders and come together to push the Zionists out, like they pushed out the Crusaders.
Frankly, I don’t want to see that for several reasons, the first being that it would mean WW3, and after that reasons no longer matter.
Personally, I think Hamas is horrible but Zionist colonialism, land theft and ethnic cleansing heads been far worse!
And you can spout your Zionist morality all you want but historically victims of genocide are denied human rights, subjected to mass imprisonment, subjected to both official and vigilante violence, Walled into ghettos and then mass murdered.
That’s description fits the Palestinians, not the Israelis.
You claim the slaughter in Gaza is actually fighting-genocide is sick, twisted and foul.
You also might consider that before attacking Gaza, Israel should root out the corruption within.
To me, it looks like someone left a gate open, so to speak, on October 7.
Shouldn’t Israel determine who that was? And was it done on purpose?
The UN special rapporteurs concluded, “Considering statements made by Israeli political leaders and their allies, accompanied by military action in Gaza and escalation of arrests and killing in the West Bank, there is also a risk of genocide against the Palestine people.”
Our Israeli “allies”
The discomfort expressed by intelligence agencies and aligned media outlets over Spyfail’s well-sourced evidence appears to be a subtle admission Bamford is right.
Exhibit A is the ongoing impunity of Hollywood movie producer and Israeli spy Arnon Milchan, who has long been engaged in espionage and weapons smuggling operations targeting the United States. Bamford chronicles Milchan’s early efforts to bolster Israel’s close ally, apartheid South Africa, via weapons dealing. Milchan also produced now-forgotten theatrical flops depicting exploited Black people as happy with their fate in apartheid South Africa.
Milchan also joined Israel’s Bureau of Scientific Relations (Lakam) spy agency to scour the U.S. for export-prohibited nuclear weapons technology. By the time Milchan joined Lakam, it had already stolen enough U.S. weapons-grade uranium to build a dozen atomic bombs from the compromised nuclear fuel processor NUMEC in Pennsylvania. Milchan’s shell company network illegally exported high speed switches from the U.S. to Israel that could provide the precisely timed pulses to trigger a nuclear detonation
Then 76% of the UK are evil:
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-76-percent-britons-want-immediate-ceasefire
Calling for a “humanitarian” ceasefire is very different from asking the IDF to not respond against terrorism and attempts of genocide. But once again thanks for misrepresenting information, that really makes your “arguments” look even better.
LOL. Israel is against a ceasefire. Its policy is opposed by over 3/4 of the UK.
Again, it’s only Zionist success in infiltrating and controlling the peeks of Western power that allows these unpopular pro-Israel policies to remain.
Zionism is antithetical to democracy in the US and other Western nations.
“Hamas is already labelled as a terrorist organisation in Germany, but now Berlin will prohibit any activities in support of the group or its agenda,” Scholz said in a speech to parliament. The ban will apply to fundraising, the display of the Palestinian flag, and even the wearing of the Palestinian keffiyeh. ”
France has also banned pro-Palestinian protest.
The will of the masses cannot be so blythely crushed. All of the dangerous Zionist fifth columnists in high positions must be identified and defeated.
Counterintelligence officials and other interested Americans who fully digest Spyfail will gain new insights into how the politicization of American counterintelligence produces media frenzies and official enemies that curiously seem to mirror Israel’s own, while inevitably failing to expose or debate Israel’s hugely damaging and longstanding covert intelligence operations against the U.S.
Yet another book review, this time in the New Republic, laments, “the Bush 43 administration quashed the FBI’s espionage investigation of Milchan because he was Bibi’s boychik, and [because] the U.S. government in its majesty quails at the wealth and influence of the Israeli lobby, despite the fact that its agents are conducting covert political warfare against Americans. The latter argument would make a good book, albeit a different book.”
To fully appreciate how Israel transcends U.S. counterintelligence efforts, one must understand how Israel seeded the foreign influence operation that now occupies Congress and meddles in U.S. elections on Israel’s behalf.
One child is killed every 15 minutes in the Israeli bombings of Gaza, according to a Palestinian NGO, highlighting the toll the current war has exacted on children.
More than 100 children have been killed every day since Israel started bombing the besieged Palestinian enclave on October 7 in the wake of the deadly Hamas attack. More than 3,400 Palestinians have been killed in the deadliest Israeli assault in decades.
As Gaza is relentlessly bombed by Israel, more than 800 EU officials have written to the bloc’s chief, Ursula von der Leyen, criticising her “uncontrolled” support of Israel.
The signatories of the letter, which Al Jazeera has seen, say they “hardly recognise the values of the EU”, claiming there is a “seeming indifference demonstrated over the past few days by our institution towards the ongoing massacre of civilians in the Gaza Strip, in disregard for human rights and international humanitarian law”.
At least 76 Palestinians have been killed, including eight by armed settlers, across the West Bank and Jerusalem when the latest escalation between Israel and Palestinians began.
” wild claims or just unsupported claims and statements ”
Nothing as close to as wild and unsupported as your claims that the IDF mass murder in Gaza is restrained, precise and moral.
You’re quite the clueless hypocrite and apologist for mass murder..
“An Israeli soldiers has died in the West Bank after being struck by an IED blast at the Nur Shams refugee camp, near Tulkarm.”
Hip hip hurray…and many more!
Ten Israeli soldiers were injured after being struck by an IED blast at the Nur Shams refugee camp in the West Bank, which has been subject to repeated raids in the past 12 hours.
The blast in the camp, which is near the West Bank city of Tulkarm, came shortly after an Israeli army drone struck it, leaving at least six Palestinians dead, according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health.
Raids are reportedly continuing in the camp, with Israeli media reporting that at least 10 “wanted” Palestinians have so far been arrested.
I don’t hate Jews.
All of my Jewish friends have been highly critical of Israel. My position on that has never been a secret.
“all the Jewish conspiracies involving the World Bank ” This comment is desperate and vile. I don’t smear Jews. I haven’t in my discussions with you nor in any other.
Death to Zionism is not an anti-Semitic statement.
“As for the hospital, you literally started out with a citation earlier that began with disproving the false claims of the hospital bombing being caused by the IDF” No I cited an article that began with a report that the US Dept of Defense claimed the rocket attack on the hospital originated with Hamas. That’s hardly proof as Israel will lie and the US DOD will be instructed by Joe “I have a Zionist heart” Biden to swear to the lie. That you have to lie about my comments reveals your dishonesty and the desperation of the intellectual and moral bankruptcy of the Zionist cause.
“if it brings you joy to lose “arguments” online to strangers I’m not going to stop you.” -typical Zionist arrogance and dishonesty.
When you listed “Zionists” who according to you were “instrumental” as part of masterminding the Iraq War instead of Dick Cheney for some godforsaken reason, your top individual’s only noticeable accomplishment was his short tenure as a chief at the World Bank. What else is a reasonable individual supposed to take from a statement like that? Also, what else exactly is a reasonable individual supposed to make out of you repeatedly calling someone a Zionist as an insult, a descriptor given to someone who would believe that after the largest genocide in human history, a state should be created to protect those people, and only using a certain religious discriminator in a negative light. And you continue to not have to necessary believe every statement the U.S. government makes (they were plenty wrong on the Afghanistan Taliban as well), but if your not you have to have credible reasons and sources as to why. I’d leave this off with refuting why none of my statements or stances would project “arrogance and dishonesty” but that reflects more projection on you than me anyways.
First, you’re not a reasonable person regarding this issue. You are entirely partisan.
Second, Dick Cheney was and is a Zionist.
Your world bank bullsh-t is gibberish.
To hell with you and all apologists for Israeli crimes.
Except no. You have never once proven I have been either a “partisan” or an “apologist”. You have also never proven how Dick Cheney, a methodist, would be a “Zionist”, especially in the spooky, evil internet conspiracy usage of the term. You claim an individual whose only major accomplishment has been being a short-tenured world bank chief would be part of a “Zionist” plot against Iraq, and as such me bringing up the invalidity of this argument is entirely valid. But you’d rather just act like an actual apologist for “Palestinian” war-crimes by cheering on the deaths of innocent IDF soldiers, right?
Zionism implies support for the establishment and maintenance/security of a Jewish state in “the holy land,” which is part of the larger region known as “Palestine.”
Words mean things. Sometimes those words get thrown out as insults whether the target fits the description or not, but In speech and policy advocacy, Cheney does fit the description.
Being a Methodist doesn’t automatically mean endorsing every statement of that denomination.
No, “Zionist” means a person who supports the establishment of a certain religious state, with the main justification typically being that of preventing the largest genocide in history from ever happening again. From within this camp in the 1940’s, several factions emerged, with some calling for and moving to areas of South America for the creation of this state to others who moved to a certain “autonomous region” in modern day Russia. However, your attempts at defending this user fail completely, as he was clearly using the term in the “ …spooky, evil internet conspiracy usage of the term”. This coming from a “moderator” who spends most of his time attacking his own site’s users and banning people on his own site so they can’t defend themselves and look bad to others, but what do I know, I’m just a person who doesn’t dedicate my life to internet-arguments that they wouldn’t have even realized they’d already lost and can actually recognize and follow logical, supported claims and evidence.
Not only is Zionism not inherently about a “religious” state, but most of its principal early figures were atheists and many Orthodox sects consider the current version of “Israel” a blasphemous attempt to preempt God’s will.
As in I used that wording because this site previously left my response on “pending” for over an hour when I used different language, but if thats what little you can find to present as some sort of victory I guess you’ll take it. And no, I don’t need to hear some condescending lecture about how that would be against “site rules” because those “rules” have never been laid out in a clear and concise manner, and as such hold no power.
The rules are always “laid out in a clear and concise manner” on request, and they hold the power to send your ass packing if you violate them. Here they are, for your convenience:
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Except there was never any clear indication you were supposed to “request” for them, which was exactly my point. But your clearly didn’t get that, so I guess the points lost on you again…
No, I can see the point. It’s still right there atop your head.
Why are you, a site moderator, so dedicated to being toxic to individuals on your forums? Like people would seriously appreciate it if you would just stop with your attempts at weird insults, like how as a site moderator you implied I was “hasbara”, a “troll”, that you’d doubt I’d have “ …graduated from high school yet.” Or as you’d put it: “ …pray knock it off”.
“Why are you, a site moderator, so dedicated to being toxic to individuals on your forums?”
When I comment, I’m not a site moderator. I’m a commenter.
As site moderator, my job is to police guidelines violations. Being an asshole — as I myself frequently am — does not violate the site’s guidelines.
“Why are you, a site moderator, so dedicated to being toxic to individuals on your forums?”
When I comment, I’m not a site moderator. I’m a commenter.
As site moderator, my job is to police guidelines violations. Being an asshole — as I myself frequently am — does not violate the site’s guidelines.
Thats great. Really makes you look amazing.
No, “Zionist” means a person who supports the establishment of a Jewish state, with the main justification typically being that of preventing the largest genocide in history from ever happening again. From within this camp in the 1940’s, several factions emerged, with some calling for and moving to areas of South America for the creation of this state to others who moved to the “Jewish autonomous region” in modern day Russia. However, your attempts at defending this user fail completely, as he was clearly using the term in the “ …spooky, evil internet conspiracy usage of the term”. This coming from a “moderator” who spends most of his time attacking his own site’s users and banning people on his own site so they can’t defend themselves and look bad to others, but what do I know, I’m just a person who doesn’t dedicate my life to internet-arguments that they wouldn’t have even realized they’d already lost and can actually recognize and follow logical, supported claims and evidence.
The Israeli mass murderers bomb hospitals.
The Israelis lie and Uncle Sammy & Company swear to it.
President SloJo babbles about the baby beheadings and promises another 10 billion to Israel.
The BBC does penance with a hack job investigation that in the midst of mass slaughter asks us a have a more consideration for the intricacies of being war criminals. A little sympathy…
So if you meet me
Have some courtesy
Have some sympathy, and some taste (woo woo)
Use all your well-learned politesse
Or I’ll lay your soul to waste, um yeah (woo woo, woo woo)
Here’s a fact, Netanyahu is a racist wannabe dictator and he’s hoping all those dead Arabs will get Israel pull his already rather hot chestnuts out of the fire.
on October 11, the Israeli army boasted that 6,000 bombs weighing a combined 4,000 tonnes had been dropped on Gaza, one of the world’s most densely populated regions where 2.2 million people live on a 365sq-km (140sq-mile) strip of land.
Define “zionist”.
See “Nazi”.
Except no. See people who, after seeing the Jewish people suffering the largest genocide in history, decided they might need a nation-state to defend themselves.
After WW1 the Germans felt the same.. Only the “living room” they sought was on someone else’s land.
They came to a bad end.. See how much you they have in common?
Free Free Palestine!
Except no. “Commenters” like you are never able to prove Israel or the Israeli Defense Forces would ever have committed “genocide” in their justified self-defense counter-terrorism and anti-genocide operations that take every reasonable precaution to prevent civilian casualties, or that modern Israel would ever resemble an “apartheid state”. As such, as the world comes together to condemn Hamas’s unjustifiable terrorism and support Israel, there cant be divisions allowed to divide us, as we can only wish the brave souls of the Israeli Defense Forces godspeed in their mission.
In modern terms Zionist = Israel supporter.
Both helped to create their own enemies.
And both appear to have been warned before the events (with certainty USA)
In USA neocons got their new Pearl Harbor and could set to destabilize the middle-east even more (more terrorism and also the creation of ISIS).
In Israel Netanyahu makes sure Likud’s tough occupation policies can stay intact, which guarantees even more cyclical violence (mostly dominated by Israel, Hamas can’t possible keep up)
And all three religions makes the minds of just about everyone worse
This quasi-coherent false analogy is horrific victim-blaming. Signals-intelligence is notoriously hard to act on, as it can be hard to distinguish aberrations from plans and if you act on the wrong signals the opposing faction can realize this and subsequently adapt, leading to a situation in which you can have even less information to go off of than you started with. And as a preemptive statement: no, “Loose Change” along with its other versions and the Michael Moore “documentary” do not count as credible sources.
Or you could read more.
Two studies were made about a possible war with Iraq on the outcome, both showed it would turn negative. Having read these I knew Iraq war would not be over in two weeks and it would turn into a bloodbath.
Also, neocons are imperialists, they are not out to spread democracy.
The bloodbath of Syria was also ignited to spread the US empire, and from these two ashes ISIS grew, and we know from leaks that “we” allowed ISIS to grow in hopes to get rid of Al Assad.
We also know from studies that using military against terrorism tends to make it worse, and this is precisely what happened. Police and intelligence work is much more efficient, obviously this is known at Pengaton and people working on these problems.
We know that Bush didn’t agree with Clinton who said focus on AQ, we know that Bush even before being in office wanted to focus on Iraq.
Which obviously is interesting because of its oil.
As Cheney said, “the middle-east is where the price ultimately lies”.
We know that Bush warned about Iran’s nuclear threat, which still hasn’t become a reality.
We know that he got caught in lies about this as all intelligence organizations said there was no program.
Netanyahu who so many like, has also been recorded in saying how he destroyed the Oslo accords and how Americans are easily manipulated.
We also know that all presidents lied about how the war in Afghanistan went, badly obviously. Even Germany and France were targeted with war propaganda in spite of this.
I doubt you want sources, you just buy into just about everything that is said.
We also know that both Rice and Powell said Iraq posed no threat. They too have been recorded in saying this. We didn’t set out to destroy any WMDs, it’s just how wars are sold to the uniformed scared mindless masses.
Loose change? No, obviously not. I don’t for a second think that the government is competent enough to pull something like that off.
Numerous articles go into how Bush was warned, and not one of that comes from crap like loose change.
But thanks for making it clear that you invent just about anything on your own as well.
Why would you assume I would be in favor the U.S. government’s disastrous policy in Syria? The U.S. government has a record of allowing Islamic extremism to fester in hopes of advancing their political goals, how would I be disputing that? When do I make a pro Iraq war statement, as otherwise I’m not particularly sure why you’d mention that? However, the Iranian nuclear program is still a matter of contention, with neither side having been able to prove or disprove it once and for all. Of course U.S. presidents can try to deliver a rose-tinted image of the Afghanistan conflict to their nations, what would that have to do with them creating their own enemies? I’m not surprised Rice and Powell would have said that as the “WMDs” turned out to be fake in the end anyways. But if we’re coming back to signals-intelligence, I stand by my earlier statement on how it can be difficult to properly act on. I don’t particularly remember making anything up, but this response did just make me feel kind of confused, so I guess could you maybe just give me a source for the Nehtanyu quote?
Now the Zel boy will be burning in jealousy this time around…!
We just gave them $3.8 billion. Next year another $3.8 billion.
So, what do the Palestinians get from us? Hmmm? Children are dying by the hundreds. This is one evil country.
Let Palestine make peace instead of war.
Americans don’t believe the Zionist lies any longer.
End US aid to Israel!
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A public opinion poll is irrelevant to the Israeli Defense Forces taking every reasonable measure to prevent civilian casualties in their counter-terrorism and anti-genocide operations. Your dishonest deflections seem to convince very few reasonable individuals.
“A public opinion poll is irrelevant to the Israeli Defense Forces taking every reasonable measure to prevent civilian casualties ”
It’s a sign that Israel’s lies about the morality of its attacks are increasingly rejected by Americans
There is a difference between supporting a response and directly funding it. Plenty of people feel bad for individuals starving all around the world and yet still wont donate their money to help alleviate their pain and sometime save their lives. Your dishonest misrepresentations continue to be both false and disingenuous.
In the face of clear facts you have nothing but your opinions and interpretations.
Any way you look at it, support for Israel has cratered in the US to a level unthinkable just ten years ago.
Our corrupted leadership will be forced to catch up to public opinion.
As it is, it looks like Biden’s embrace of Netanyahu is going to cost him the Democratic nomination. .
No, I simply pointed out that your “fact” was a misrepresentation, as it was referring to direct U.S. funding, as opposed to military and political support. And no, Joe Biden will probably not be replaced in a Democratic nomination as there is no-one with his level of support in his party. But you probably knew that already, didn’t you?
Watch and see.
Biden is toast. He may even end up pulling an LBJ.
Oh no, not another unsupported accusation and/or claim! But I’m sure your just one more from victory, so keep it up!
ROFL. Too much.
Good For You!
What an incredible response that definitely proved your original assertions. I’m sure now reasonable individuals will definitely see the impeccable logic you’ve laid out, right?
LOL.
Why don’t you try to prove some more of your unoriginal assertions about the morality of the IDF?
You’re comments are blood soaked. They drip an elitist disregard for non-Israeli lives.
Since I’ve laid out pretty clearly what’s actually been going, I’ll give you the same scenario that lays it out pretty clearly and that I expect you to actually finish reading:
Your Benjamin Netanyahu, Israeli PM, head “Zionist” and all the rest. In the aftermath of the 1968 Yom Kippur war, most of your “Arab” neighbors have generally tried to stop eliminating you through military force, yet after the Iranian “Revolution” the “ayatollah”s have become increasingly confrontational and bold in their attempts to eliminate you through a strategy of “death by a thousand cuts”. As such, they provide advanced weaponry, personnel and equipment typically used by nation-states to their proxy forces that typically defer to them, who in turn commit terrorist attacks against your citizens, such as bus-bombings in Jerusalem (Hamas) or missile attacks again your civilian population (2006 Israel-Hezzbolah conflict: https://www.britannica.com/…. In 2008 your security forces withdraw from “Gaza”, with only a security blockade to prevent further weapons, personnel, and equipment from being used to continue attacking your countries civilian population. This self-government is their ostensible goal, yet terrorist attacks and calls for genocide from these organizations do not cease. In perhaps a misguided attempt to de-escalate tensions, Israeli Security Forces routinely allow children hoping for “martyrdom” to attack their tanks and personnel, strikes against known terrorists use special forces instead of explosives for fear of civilian casualties, something that results in far more military casualties, yet this does not stop the deaths. To at-least prevent further deaths of your innocent population, the Israeli military has completed several technological defense breakthroughs, such as the Iron Dome Missile system and a high-tech border fence with underground walls to prevent terrorist incursions into your territory. In 2021, the terrorist and genocidal organization known as Hamas launches a horrific rocket-volley in an attempt to overload the Iron Dome missile-defense system, yet it mostly stays strong. However, on October 7, 2023, Hamas terrorists use a high-tech and co-ordinated strategy using drones and artillery to bomb portions of the fence, breaching into Israel. Additionally, numerous rockets are used in an attempt to overload the Iron Missile Defense system. After entering Israel, they massacre women, children, and countless innocent lives at concerts, in their homes and while simply driving in numerous communities. The Israeli Military arrives and secures the area, taking casualties, yet it becomes quite clear that the blockade around the region has not prevented the flow of dangerous weapons of terrorism and mass-murder from being delivered through it, most significantly through covert Iranian weapons transfers. The explicitly genocidal Hamas terrorist organization continues to hide in the region, and if they are not eliminated it is quite clear their nation-state backer in Iran is quite capable of providing them with the advanced weaponry to launch another attack, perhaps worse than this one. What will you do to protect your country?
“Since I’ve laid out pretty clearly what’s actually been going,”
You’ve bleated out the vile Zionist lies that have been used to justify the murder of tens of thousands.
You and your Zionists pals are evil butchers.
Death to Zionism!
Answer this one question then: What happens if Benjamin Netanyahu does not respond or attack Hamas? Sometimes its much easier to criticize a response than to offer any sort of reasonable alternative.
Israel has already attacked Gaza and killed over 4000 people, most of them women children and elderly.
What will happen if Israel invades Gaza is that they will suffer dearly and spark a regional war.
Prior to the election of the war criminal Sharon, it looked like their might actually be oeace based on a two state solution, but the assassination of Rabin by a far right Zionist and the election of Sharon killed that prospect.
I don’t know what Israel should do now. I do know that if Israel does not come to terms with the Palestinians, Israel will be destroyed. It will be just a matter of time.
Of course given Zionist arrogance and psychopathy, they will feel quite “justified” in taking the rest of the world with them.
End Zionism!
This is the point where you should have realized whatever point you’ve been trying to make has been lost. You admit you “ …don’t know what Israel should do now”, yet continue to criticize them in their operations. If you don’t what else they should be doing, stop criticizing them for what they are, they’re trying to do the best they can in the bad situation they’ve been forced into by circumstances outside their control.
Good For You Zionist.
Your lies are very boring, but I’ll keep posting my truths.
They’re not really for you anyway. You’re too far gone.
300,000 demonstrated in London yesterday, braving a rainstorm. The Zionist lies just aren’t working anymore, particularly among young people. Zionism is rapidly fossilizing.
As I’m also getting tired of your “responses”, I’ll give you one in your tone: yeah right. Oh no, certain people might be misguided and not see whats going on in the world. This definitely proves everything you’ve said! People can be fooled and deceived into supporting a lot of things through careful and deliberate propaganda, none of that would mean you would be right. But you have no idea what you’d even do differently if you were the Israeli government, so that says a lot.
I don’t have to know what the Manson Family should have done other than commit the Tate-LaBianca murders to criticize them for committing those murders.
This is a false equivalency: I am talking about a military response to terrorism and acts of genocide, but I can easily do your thing: they could never have committed it. And could you stop deleting my comments from your website, I don’t think I’ve been criticizing you in any way, shape or form.
Yes, because if you call something “military” and a “response,” it magically becomes moral and correct because REASONS.
You’re not welcome at my personal website. You wore that one out.
(*Sigh*)
I guess in real life I just don’t really like leaving loose threads, and while if I actually wanted to I could just create a different username for myself not identified with me and you might never even know, I guess I can respect your opinion on that one. As for the rebuttal, I have explained my reasons and evidence for those stances earlier with you so I don’t particularly need to repeat them. Honestly I think I might just be leaving this website soon, as I think I liked the “antiwar.com” of Ukraine-conflict skepticism much more than whatever its trying to be now, as well as the individuals on these comment-threads just seeming to be incredibly toxic to those who wouldn’t support their views.
IDF=lying murderous bastards!
The WHO states that 51 healthcare facilities have been targeted by the demonic IDF.
The Euro-Med human rights monitor said that over a quarter of the area of Gaza City and northern Gaza has been affected by the destruction and that 20 percent of houses there are no longer fit for habitation.
The Beit Hanoun neighborhood, located on the outskirts of the northern Gaza Strip, is the most severely affected, with approximately 60 percent of its buildings either destroyed or heavily damaged.
Not restrained. Not precise. Not moral. You’re a sick liar filled with bloodlust.
You’re a monster. Immoral filth. Hardly even human.
Former US Rep. Justin Amash (L-MI), who was the only US House Member representing the Libertarian Party, announced Friday on Twitter/X that several of his relatives were killed when Israel bombed Saint Porphyrius Orthodox Church in Gaza. Amash’s relatives, along with many others, were seeking shelter in the Church as Israel continues to flatten Gaza.
That does nothing to invalidate Israel’s counter-terrorism and anti-genocide operations that take every reasonable measure to reduce civilian casualties. But you probably knew that already, didn’t you?
LOL. This is a libertarian website.
Did you know that?
Also, the world doesn’t revolve around you and your twisted lies.
This is not a libertarian website. It’s an antiwar website. It happens to have been founded by, and to remain largely staffed by, libertarians.
Your points are not made more or less valid depending on an internet website’s stance. But you implying that others might not be telling the truth is highly ironic considering you seem to have spent most of your time misrepresenting or not responding to the facts, arguments and points made to you by other users.
Est sh-t & die!
Israel lies.
Zionists lie.
You lie.
You’re a pathological liari defense of mass murder.
You’re also psychotically arrogant and delusional.
Death to the IDF! May they fall in numbers like the leaves from the trees in Autumn.
The IDF are innocent, as they are protecting their friends, families, relatives and loved ones from being massacred at concerts, in bunkers, in their own homes by rockets and terrorists with automatic rifles. As such, its making a statement against them thats pretty abhorrent.
The IDF are blood soaked racist killers.
You are a blood soaked apologist for mass murder.
Your defense of mass murder is abhorrent, you arrogant psycho.
“they are protecting their friends, families, relatives and loved ones from being massacred at concerts, in bunkers, in their own homes by rockets and terrorists with automatic rifles”
The same can be said of the Gazan fighters who will kill the IDF. The IDF are terrorists and you are a terrorist sympathizer.
The IDF has already killed 1500 children in Gaza and all you have to say about it is to laud the morality of the IDF.
You are one sick twisted hateful Zionist.
The IDF tells nothing but lies, just like you.
Washington DC — (Scheerpost) — Israel was founded on lies. The lie that Palestinian land was largely unoccupied. The lie that 750,000 Palestinians fled their homes and villages during their ethnic cleansing by Zionist militias in 1948 because they were told to do so by Arab leaders. The lie that it was Arab armies that started the 1948 war that saw Israel seize 78 percent of historic Palestine. The lie that Israel faced annihilation in 1967, forcing it to invade and occupy the remaining 22 percent of Palestine, as well as land belonging to Egypt and Syria.
Israel is sustained by lies. The lie that Israel wants a just and equitable peace and will support a Palestinian state. The lie that Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. The lie that Israel is an “outpost of Western civilization in a sea of barbarism.” The lie that Israel respects the rule of law and human rights
Chris Hedges
When did Israel seize 78 percent of historic Palestine? It controls maybe 10% right now (the vast majority of historica Palestine is now part of Jordan).
Israel blocks the work of independent human rights organizations into atrocities and war crimes it commits in Gaza and the West Bank. It refuses to cooperate with the International Criminal Court into possible war crimes in the Occupied Territories. It does not cooperate with the U.N. Human Rights Council and prohibits the U.N. Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories occupied since 1967, from entering the country. Israel revoked the work permit for Omar Shakir, the Director of Human Rights Watch (Israel and Palestine), in 2018 and expelled him. In May 2018, Israeli Ministry of Strategic Affairs and Public Diplomacy published a report calling on the European Union and European states to halt their direct and indirect financial support and funding to Palestinian and international human rights organizations that “have ties to terror and promote boycotts against Israel.”
After the bombing of the hospital, Israel first released a video that purported to show Palestinian Islamic Jihad rockets which struck the hospital. The Israelis hastily removed the video when journalists noticed that time stamps showed the images were taken 40 minutes after the strike on the hospital.
Israeli propagandists — aware that Palestinian rockets have little explosive power — then claimed that Hamas stored munitions under the hospital. This caused the massive explosion, they said. But if this was true, it would mean there would be a secondary explosion. There was none.
Gaza is weeping blood and you call it anti-genocide.
Over 4000 dead from the carpet bombing and you bleat about Israeli restraint.
You call the bombing of churches, hospitals, schools and refugee camps “counter-terrorism.”
You’re a psychopath, but you probably knew that already, didn’t you
Except no, as you simply keep on repeating stories or statistics on civilian casualties, something I have explained the Israeli Defense Forces takes every reasonable measure to prevent. And if you really don’t understand that I’ve already disproven you on this:
…as I have been explaining very clearly this is solely due to Hamas hiding weapons, personnel and equipment in civilian infrastructure in order to create these circumstances, and as such they are entirely responsible for all casualties in this conflict, as well as for purposefully attacking and clearly putting civilians in danger. However, since you seem to imply that a high enough amount of “Palestinian” civilian casualties that the IDF takes all reasonable measures to avoid in its counter-terrorism and anti-genocide operations would invalidate their response, let me ask you a question: what happened the last time members of a certain religion were dispersed across the world, mostly unarmed, and were not able to successfully fight back against “movements” attempting to commit genocide against them. The largest genocide in the history of the entire world. It is precisely for this reason that the state of Israel and the Israeli Defense Forces must always fight back against any attempts of genocide against them, and to imply that they should not is simply evil.
As such, any reasonable individual can clearly see who a reasonable individual would be here.
Your “explmations” are vile Zionist propaganda in defense of mass murder.
The Israeli military has informed Palestinians in Gaza that they would be identified as “a partner in a terrorist organisation” if they didn’t follow forced displacement orders and move south.
The threatening leaflets, which were dropped by drones on Saturday, come after Israel ordered 1.1 million residents in the northern part of the Gaza Strip to move to the south, with no guarantee of safety or return.
Israel is engaging in ethnic cleansing in Gaza.
On Saturday, a senior Israeli official also said that the definition of what constitutes a “legitimate target” has now changed and that private homes could be considered a legitimate target.
According to the official, civilian infrastructure that he claimed is being “used by Hamas” turns “a private home into a legitimate target”.
“Anyone who supports that home is a legitimate target,” he added, as reported in Israeli media.
Not restrained. Not precise, but clearly by these terms the IDF are also legitimate targets. They will pay.
The Euro-Med human rights monitor said that over a quarter of the area of Gaza City and northern Gaza has been affected by the destruction and that 20 percent of houses there are no longer fit for habitation.
The Beit Hanoun neighbourhood, located on the outskirts of the northern Gaza Strip, is the most severely affected, with approximately 60 percent of its buildings either destroyed or heavily damaged.
But you think we should all believe your “explanations. aka filthy Zionist lies.
Palestinian lives matter!
What? How about when we ask you to pause settlement activity, you pause settlement activity. Seriously eff off I have a number in my head and it is zero.
So this what the trillions we gave to Israel funded, an straight up apartheid regime that doesn’t hesitate to bomb hospitals. If they fully get their way, they’ll have their own “Final Solution” with the Palestinians. Stop funding Israel! Free Palestine!
Palestine could have worked out a peace-they killed it.
…so could the Warsaw Ghetto uprisers in 1943.
wrong again
Blame the victim.. Typical.
The financial support of Israeli criminal regime inflicts a great moral and geopolitical damage to US. It is much worse than just a waste of money.
Our country is in serious bloody trouble…If we give ANY more money to Israel, we WILL have more blood on our hands.
If any fool is stupid enough to believe that Israel is not going to get away with this massacre and violations of human rights they are delusional.Who is going to stop them? It won’t be that bastion of freedom and Democracy known as the United States?
the Hamas massacre produced a response.
Yeah, an evil mass murdering response from the jackbooted Israelis.
Except no. It is Hamas doing the terrorism and genocide, and the Israeli Defense Forces taking every reasonable measure to prevent civilian casualties in their counter-terrorism and anti-genocide operations.
The US, Israel and many of its other allies have blood on their hands from the war in Gaza and Ukraine. The US, Israel and many of its allies have been having blood on their hands since 1948. Israel has been ethnically cleansing them with the money its allies give them. Israel doesn’t deserve the money they give them because it’s an apartheid state and it is not a Developing Nation. If Dracula existed, he’d drink the blood on their hands.
The money we give to Israel and Ukraine could be used for dometsic purposes.
Joe Bye-Done can kiss my Lilly white a—!!! Our country has lost more than we can recover. Democracy has been replaced by fascism.
Hey, hey USA! How many kids have you killed today?!
Donna, what about the homeless and starving people in the US that don’t get the benefit of the largess gifted to the nation of Israel. The military gets the money and the American people of all persuasions get the shaft?
when the US helped Britain before we entered WW2-was that very different?
No doubt it was different.
In this case it’s Israel doing the slaughtering; so the US should aid the Palestinians.
Except no. It is Hamas doing the “slaughtering”, and the Israeli Defense Forces taking every reasonable measure to prevent civilian casualties in their counter-terrorism and anti-genocide operations.
Israel demands $10B! Watch how fast the Speakership is settled now.
That’s quite a COLA: 10/3.8
I wonder what SS is getting this year?
No doubt Israel let this whole thing happen. I have 10 billion reasons why. On top of 3.8 billion other reasons.
A nation’s military budget is supposed to INCLUDE its war fighting preparation, not to be simply a peacetime operating fund. On top of that, Israel isn’t even engaged in the field and they’re already asking for help- that shows how greedy they are, or that the IDF is a paper tiger. Or both. We’ve given them enough of our tax dollars. If you can’t afford a war, maybe you shouldn’t put yourself in a position to have one go down in your back yard.
Israel asks $10B … Congress says that’s too low and approves $100B.
A mere down payment of what this is really going to cost us.
Did we learn nothing from 9/11?
i did (learn something from 9/11)
$10 bil? No problemo, it is just monopoly money.
Does anyone seriously believe that this debt will be re paid? Ha, Ha,Ha.
There will be no debates, arguments, discussion, or disagreement about this one by anyone in congress unlike social security or services. Israel will always get what it wants and sometimes doesn’t have to ask for it.
Just put it on the card, Janet.
back in the ’80s a drunk gal ran into my truck (1972 F-25o 4×4).
we hadn’t even left the parking lot yet.
she jumped out of her little car and started yelling at me as if i was the drunk gal trying to accelerate = hilarious.
she was all “OMG call the cops!” and i was all “OMG go right ahead and call the cops but ultimately you are going to get out the check-book honey!
guess what happened? i pointed out some minor dents and said that she owed me $500 or i would report this to her insurance co….
she started crying and wrote me a check for $500 – i tore it up and told her to give me a $20 bill and we would be even.
it never even occurred to her nor the young men (i was also a young man) that she was with that her tiny car did not actually line up with any dents that were already in place in my giant 4×4 FORD truck.
you couldn’t make this sh*t up ….
what
edit = and that was when i was just a young man. now i am a gray-man and you mess with me at your own peril.
10 billion to improve the lives of Gazans would improve things damn a lot more..even for Israel
How do you expect an invasion to improve the lives of Gazans?