Poland on Tuesday said it was rushing more troops to its border with Belarus after accusing Minsk of violating its airspace with military helicopters, a claim Belarusian officials denied.
According to Reuters, Poland’s Defense Ministry said it was sending “additional forces and resources, including combat helicopters” to the border. Belarus has accused Poland of making up allegations about helicopters violating its airspace to justify a further buildup on the border.
“This statement was not backed up by data from Poland,” The Belarusian Defense Ministry said. “The Belarusian Defense Ministry views it in the manner of an ‘old wives’ tale’ and notes there were no border violations by Mi-8 and Mi-24 helicopters,” the ministry added.
Poland has already been beefing up its border due to the presence of the Russian mercenary force Wagner Group in Belarus. Wagner members recently held drills near the border, and Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko claimed the Russian mercenaries wanted to enter Poland.
Amid the tensions between Poland and Belarus, Russian President Vladimir Putin warned Warsaw that he would treat an attack on Belarus as an attack on Russia. He also accused Poland of having designs on Ukrainian territory and warned a Polish-Lithuanian force might enter western Ukraine.
Looks like NATO wants to stir up another pot as Ukrainian “theater” is a mess.
Nobody will be happy with some ginned-up Polish high tension wire act. And how many NATO Gnomes could perish in any border conflagration…. with hypersonic fusion devices?
So Belarus invades Polish airspace and somehow in your head, it’s NATO wanting to stir up another pot.
You trankies are special.
Belarus said that they did not invade Polish airspace
Have you not seen the videos? Shot from both sides of the border.
Belarus is lying.
What’s a “trankie”?
It’s a person that pretends to be antiwar but then supports the invasion and annexation of a small & poor country by a dictator.
As compared to someone who supports the slaughter of those same people of that small & poor country by cheerleading for more war? An unwinnable war where their main supporter openly admits that they aren’t willing to support that small & poor country to the point they can be victorious because they don’t want a direct war with the “dictator”?
Or may be, looks like Belarus just flew into Polish airspace.
So NATO wants to open a front on Belarus to create a distraction for Vlad?
It’s amazing how NATO has their influence so tight, that these countries, re: Ukraine, Poland, Lithuania would even consider war against Russia. This is an insane proxy, but upgrading from terrorists to using countries stacked to the gills with NATO armaments
These Europeans are truly stupid if they think that the US will come to their aid if and when push comes to shove. Altruism is not a characteristic of Capitalist war mongers when survival is on the table.
Poland better watch it or they are going to get smacked down. They’re taking chances because they think they have the big dog behind them. They don’t realize that when the action comes, it’s not the big dog’s land that’s going to be blown up.
It will be blown up if the lunatics apply article 5 over any Russian involvement in a Belarus Poland military exchange
You’re right, of course … I’m assuming that sanity would hold and that USNato would not go to MAD for a Poland smack in the face (which puts the lie to the whole Article 5 thing, no?).
I say old bean well spoken.You can’t fool all the people all the time.
Yes, and that big dog is pretty tired and worn out just now. It is not what it was. Maybe it can recover, but that would take time. This is a moment of American self-induced weakness, from bungling by its neocon crazies.
They pumped up the dog to size of the tiger but as you said – the dog is tired and worn out. And fizzles through all it’s holes.
Since poles accepted Catholic Vatican as their master, they behave like this.
Why would Poland get a smack down? They are under North American Terrorist Occupation. It’s the “big dog” who will get shot with a strategic nuke.
WTF are these countries doing? One Ukraine is enough. Do they want Poland/Belarus to come the next front line? Every time we think the world has learned from its past disasterous wars, everytime our “leaders” prove us wrong.
Well, it doesn’t help when Belarus does a border incursion into Polish airspace, does it?
Oh man please give us a break from your noxious ramblings abut truth,justice and the American way.
Oh, I’ll give you two breaks to continue your noxious pro kremlin cheering.
I am not pro Russian. I am pro humanity and against war that helps no one but the war profiteers running the US to the downfall of civilization.
Where is your criticizing of Russia? To date i have not seen one.
Just like the vast majority here where somehow never ever call out the number one belligerent in this War, Russia, the one that invaded and annexed sovereign territory of a neighboring country by force.
You don’t think the war profiteers from Russia are too benefitting and contribute to the downfall of civilization as seen the last year and half.
It’s similar to those who ignore the previous 30+ years of history and the real number one belligerent. USA! USA! USA!
Keep up with your BS and hatred for your homeland.
And you keep up your moronic jingoism. But only when it suits your narrative. You’ve bitched about US wars so you’re no different than all the people you try to denigrate for their “hatred of the homeland”.
Anti-War put up an article by Jeffrey Sachs the other day. Read it. It has an irrefutable time line.
Let us see the video evidence…. Ukraine on track to bcum a wasteland….!!!!!! Does Poland want to join??
If you haven’t seen the video evidence is because you need to stop watching RT news and TASS. There is a lot of evidence and videos of villagers from both sides.
Go look it up, do your homework.
“Dumb is as dumb does” Forest Gump.+
“The Belarusian Defense Ministry views it in the manner of an ‘old wives’ tale’ and notes there were no border violations by Mi-8 and Mi-24 helicopters,” the ministry added.”
Oh that’s gospel talking.
The time is approaching to use the other pawn in anti-Russian game.
“Poland Rushes Troops to Border, Claims Belarusian Helicopters Violated Airspace”
Poland is a traditional enemy of Russia. If Poland attacks Belarus or enters Western Ukraine Russia already indicated that they will you every weapon in their inventory against Poland.
Go ahead Poland poke the bear and the bear will destroy you with one swipe of his mighty claws.
N. A. T. O.
F**k around and find out.
This isn’t a fist fight.
Yeah, tell that to your Russian Buddies here.
I don’t have any Russian buddies here. Your “team” shit gets old.
a socratic question for all peoples. When last has the American government told the truth? was it in Viet Nam with the domino theory for us old folks? was it Iraq with WMD,Afganistan?When did the populace ever hear the truth. it is never the case with the controlled media and the flacks that they send out to lie.
The longer I live, the more I agree. While I prefer hope, I’m becoming more cynical because I have intense hate toward being naïve. (Sarcasm)
+++
If one doesn’t become cynical, one is lost in any event.
Dick Cheney told the truth once – when asked about the Iraq war he literally said
“it’s about the oil, stupid”.
Satan (the father of the lies) is their boss.
When was the last time ANY government told the truth?
Remember the Maine..
Just what the West needs, a 2 front war they can’t win anymore than the current one.
Have they even broken through anywhere?
Or are they still claiming the taking of hamlets that are barely defended because they are outside the defence lines as huge victories because the media and Biden can spin those?
The hyenas of Europe seem to want a war with Russia. Evidently, they did not learn their lesson in WWII.
They want such a war with Russia where someone else will fight instead of themselves.
Belarus denied the (Polish) claim that its helicopters entered Polish airspace.
hold on a minute because Belarus President Lukashenko claimed that Russian mercenaries Wagner are holed-up in Belarus and “want to enter Poland”.
WTF Lukashenko, it isn’t any stretch of the imagination to think that Wagner might violate Polish airspace since you yourself admitted that they do indeed “want to enter Poland”.
so Poland has every right to put all of their troops on whatever of their own border they want to. Putin would be a fool to allow Wagner to advance into Poland.
Wagner does what it’s paid to do. The group also relies on military supply chains provided by its employers. It’s not likely that they even have helicopters.
Right now, their top priority may be in Niger.
i agree that it’s not likely that Wagners have helicopters.
but Putin would be a fool to send Wagner into Poland.
i don’t think he is a fool.
I don’t consider the Institute for the Study of War a reliable source, but as of late last year it claimed that Wagner was actively recruiting both helicopter and fixed-wing pilots, and had at least one fixed-wing combat aircraft (an Su-25, which is a close air support plane).
It doesn’t seem that unlikely that Wagner would have helicopters. But if they did, one would expect them to be used for transport/fire support of ground troops. The Mi-8 and Mi-24 match that operational description, but one would expect any report of them being used in Poland to include mention of ground troops being dropped off and receiving fire support from them.
ISW is headed by Kimberly Kagan, sis-in-law to you know who, … nuf said.
ok even if Wagner has flying machines, they did say that they did not cross into Poland. and it’s not as if there is a line painted on the ground at the border, like a 50 yard-line.
Poland is an hysterical pip-squeak who begs to have its ass kicked, and Belarus could do that without Wagner..
I can only imagine the reactions here if it was Poland invading Belarussian airspace and Belarus sending troops to the border.
There would be a party.
I have $100 that says Putin starts talking about Nazis in Poland and the gullible tankies regurgitate it immediately. (Sorry. I take back the gullible part for being redundant.)
My favorite guy talks airhead Poles!
Obviously they’re smoking too much dope again.
Not enough. 😉
According to Radio Free Europe, Poland’s military initially reported that helicopters participating in a training exercise had NOT crossed the border.
This sounds like a cover story, and probably a fabricated cover story, for Poland to send troops to the border. I’ll believe that Belarus sent military helicopters over the border when I see some video.
When Putin announced last month that any attack on Belarus would be treated as an attack on Russia, the obvious implication was that he was planning to either fake or provoke an attack on Belarus so that he could claim there’d been an attack on Russia.
Et to Brute
et-tu
WTF? Are you day drinking again Knapp?
I seldom drink, day or night. I did have a beer last week, though.
All sides in every war propagandize about what the other sides might do, often as a pretext for something they want to do in “response,” whether it actually happens or not (and if it does happen, whether it’s real or a “false flag”).
In the run-up to the invasion, the Russians massed forces on the border, then used the Ukrainians massing on the other side of the border as the pretext (“they were about to launch a massive offensive in Donetsk! We have to protect the ethnic Russians we haven’t given two shits about for the last eight years!”) for an operation clearly planned months if not years in advance.
“‘We have to protect the ethnic Russians we haven’t given two shits about for the last eight years!'”
That’s an entirely false characterization of Russian attitude, policy and behavior WRT the ethnic Russians of the Donbas during the period between the 2014 coup and the 2022 Russian invasion.
True, and good catch. It’s not that the Russian regime didn’t give two shits about ethnic Russians in the Donbas. It’s that the Russian regime found ethnic Russians in the Donbas useful as human sacrifices.
I don’t know whether or not your posts on this subject are intended to be taken seriously but, so far, I don’t see any reason why they should be given serious consideration.
Then don’t give them serious consideration. “Problem” solved.
“don’t give them serious consideration” – you are right here. I think, few people bother to read them.
You were right to use scare quotes. There is no problem. 😎
In the run up to the invasion, for eight years, Ukraine prosecuted a war against their Russian speaking population in Donbass and prevaricated on the peace plan they had agreed to while massing their own NATO supplied and trained army the front line.
That’s what’s known as asking for it.
“We have to protect the ethnic Russians we haven’t given two shits about for the last eight years!”) for an operation clearly planned months if not years in advance.”
I thought Russia came to the aid of the ethnic Russians in the Donbas region by giving them some missiles to fight back with. Am I wrong about that?
Putin didn’t come to the aid of nobody, Putin came for the land. The f king land. Stop believing in fantasies.
Yes but they knew that if they go in full force, they will suffer severely economically. At that time Russia was still heavily integrated into imperial economic system.
A low-key support of Donbass was not the best solution, IMO, but it was practical alongside with Minsk Accords.
Actually reports indicated that there was a dramatic ramp up of bombardment of the east at that time, certainly enough to force any competent military leader to recommend moving forces to the east after drawing Ukrainian forces westward.
I just don’t think the Russian command staff are are stupid as some here would appear to believe.
What would be his intention? Invading Poland?
Seems like it would be way down the list of possibilities or desires.
But if you look at the Putin/Lavrov escalation strategy over time, it tends toward “if you do X, why, we can say that justifies US doing Y — even if we’ve already been doing Y anyway (see ‘cluster munitions, use of’), and even if we don’t particularly want to do Y at this time.”
I’ve seen no indication that Putin really WANTS to use nukes, but it’s been one thing after another — up to and including waving a magic annexation wand and declaring various places “part of Russia” — to preemptively justify using them IF he decides to.
It was just last week that Putin even went so far as as an unusually public acknowledgement that Belarus is merely a Russian imperial satrapy (“an attack on Belarus is an attack on Russia”) for no obvious purpose except to prepare the ground for pretending that Belarus had been attacked, after which Lavrov would presumably say, with his “more in sorrow than in anger” facial expression, that Russia would be “justified” in “retaliating” against NATO targets.
It’s nothing the US, and every other belligerent, doesn’t do all the time — prepare a pretext for doing, or at least publicly claiming the prerogative to do, Y.
Pretty much like the “Polish attack on a German radio station” in 1939, if Hitler had spent weeks beforehand making speeches about “if the Poles were to attack a radio station …”
Putin didn’t just “Declare” various places are part of Russia, at least not if you paid attention to his refusals to do this during the time beginning with the collapse of the Minsk talks or even the 2014 coup, for that matter.
“. . . the obvious implication was that he was planning to either fake or provoke an attack on Belarus so that he could claim there’d been an attack on Russia.”
There’s a big difference between an “obvious implication” and your imaginative speculation. This is an obvious instance of the latter.
Well, that’s one possible scenario. But he also said that he didn’t care if Poland “invaded” Ukraine, and the last thing he needs right now is to have to fight on tw0 fronts.
I think Putin wants to finesse Ukraine into keeping troops along the border with Belarus so that they can’t be used elsewhere; and that Poland may be doing the same thing to him.
Not obvious at all to me, but then I’m not personally acquainted with Putin.
Hopefully the Polish people are aware enough to realize that the war mongers will have no problem fighting to the last Pole.
The good people of Poland always seem to get stuck with one hysterical fascist or another.. It is Papa Luka of Belarus who can deal with the old-school Nazis of the Baltic-3 + Poland.. I doubt that Russian assistance will be required..
“Papa Luka” isn’t even able to deal with his own people absent the “assistance” of the empire he’s a local satrap for.
Ok, here we go, and does this look familiar. Does Poland really want to join the polka? or is she acting on Washington orders? feinting, or really going to deliver a punch? Would Nuland have any more hesitation sacrificing Poland than the Ukraine?
This would be too much even for ol’ Zbigniew to handle. If there’s anything in favor of Neoliberals, it’s that they aren’t QUITE as sociopathic (or suicidal) as their Neoconservative allies.
And neither are quite as consumed by foaming-at-the-mouth hatred for Russia as (an alarming percentage of) the Poles.
I’d say it’s a toss-up, one’s greed matches the other’s blood-lust; and both, identically will-to-power incarnate in human flesh.
This looks and sounds like the beginning of the beginnng.Duck you heads,the bull shit is going to fly.
Poland’s “reaction” betrays what they want to do.
Poland is in an aggressive mode.
Its hardliners think they may have opportunities arising from the disintegrating situation of Ukraine and trouble they might stir in Belarus.
Poles are such schmucks.
They’re the medulla oblongata of Europe.
It looks like Poland wants to again lead the world into World War III the way they did prior to World War II.
How in hell does Poland want WWIII? Belarus f king crossed into its airspace. What do you expect they do? Greet them?
And your knowledge of history is all f d up.
https://www.rt.com/russia/580737-belarus-poland-helicopter-evidence/
Just a matter of time before the gloves come off completely. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-blows-up-black-sea-port-hours-after-confirming-peace-talks-with-turkey/ar-AA1eHGZl?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=7004c5c9e436420ea4fd87734e374438&ei=14
https://www.rt.com/russia/580737-belarus-poland-helicopter-evidence/
Is RT news part of MSM? Or just a better MSM?
RT gives us the other side of the story, that we don’t get in our MSM, making it possible for us to hear both sides. I am for hearing both sides. Aren’t you?
Time will tell how solid article 5 really is. Would the EU really risk London, Paris, Rome, Athens, Madrid, Brussels, Warsaw, Et Al to answer a strike on North Macedonia or Montenegro….?????? I for one don’t believe they would.
All that Article 5 says is that if a NATO state is attacked, other NATO states must do … whatever they happen to want to do.
Yes. They would.
Tankie contortionists are trying to dismiss this incursion. You just can’t help yourselves.
There is substantial evidence indicating that the Poles had been participating actively in the formation of death squads in Ukraine since September 2013. Also there is substantial evidence that the Right Sector militants were trained by Donald Tusk’s government in Poland two months in advance of what was obviously a pre-planned coup against the government of Ukraine.
The Polish press even published the role of Donald Tusk’s government in preparing the coup where the Polish Foreign Minister Radosław Sikorski invited 86 members of the Right Sector to the police training center in Legionowo. There, they received four weeks of intensive training in crowd management, person recognition, combat tactics, command skills, behavior in crisis situations, protection against gases used by police, erecting barricades, and shooting, including the handling of sniper rifles.
Donald Tusk, who is now President of the European Council, whose grandfather, Josef Tusk, served in Hitler’s Wehrmacht, has consistently demanded that the Kiev regime imposed by the US and EU deal with the Donbass people brutally, “as with terrorists”.
While the Polish special services were training the future participants of the Maidan operations and the ethnic cleansing of the Donbass, the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs made this official statement (02-02-2014): “We support the hard line taken by the Right Sector… The radical actions of the Right Sector and other militant groups of demonstrators and the use of force by protestors are justified… The Right Sector has taken full responsibility for all the acts of violence during the recent protests. This is an honest position, and we respect it. The politicians have failed at their peacekeeping function. This means that the only acceptable option is the radical actions of the Right Sector. There is no other alternative”.
In this statement by the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs we can see that the Polish government (NATO) is using violence (radical actions) as a means of ensuring the Ukrainian politicians fail in their peace keeping functions. Ukraine illustrates the role assigned by NATO to Poland. To overthrow the government of its neighbour state, Donald Tusk resorted to neo Nazi activists in the same way that NATO in Turkey uses Al-Qaeda (Al Nusra Front) to overthrow the Syrian government.
After the Maidan the leaders of two right wing neo-Nazi organisations were rewarded with control of four ministries. For example, Andriy Parubiy, co-founder of the fascist Social National Party (SNPU), which later changed its name to Svoboda, became the new top commander of the National Defense and Security Council. (covering the military, police, courts and intelligence apparatus). The CIA renamed the organisation to “Svoboda,” meaning “Freedom,” to make it more acceptable to Americans.
Dmytro Yarosh, Right Sector commander, was second-in-command of the National Defense and Security Council. This is the man who organized and ran Ukraine’s February 22nd Coup in Kiev, and the May 2nd Massacre of Its Opponents in Odessa, for Barack Obama. Yarosh’s teams carry out the most violent operations for the CIA in Ukraine. They are responsible for the atrocities committed in the Donbass, for the crimes against humanity.
Oleh Tyahnybok, co founder of the SNPU and currently the party leader of Svoboda, A self confessed neo-Nazi. He opposed the introduction of the Russian language as the second official state language; called for the lustration of former communist officials. He also proposed recognition of the fighting role of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and Ukrainian Insurgent Army during World War II.
Washington had chosen to spearhead Neo-Nazis into positions of authority. Under a “regime of indirect rule”, however they take their orders on crucial military and foreign policy issues including the deployment of troops directed against the Russian federation, from the the US State Department, the Pentagon and NATO.
From fabricating an “invasion,” to the claims of “threatened” lives, to the labeling of Russians as “subhuman,” Yatsenyuk recited fully the script of Nazism used to justify its various historical crimes against humanity.
Kiev’s forces in eastern Ukraine are not fighting an “invasion,” but constitute an invading force themselves, making incursions into eastern Ukraine and holding territory only through unmitigated brutality against local populations clearly collaborating with armed self-defense forces intent on resisting Kiev’s Nazism.
Its no coincidence that Victoria Nuland indicated the US had invested $5 billion on a regime change in Ukraine and its no coincidence that the CIA is in Kiev to ensure that the regime change occurs. Its no coincidence that the Rand Corporation documented the necessary steps to genocide the eastern federations prior to the events and its no coincidence that Nazi organisations were enlisted to action the genocide, to ensure that a pro Russian government is not returned to power in Ukraine.
Don’t forget Pres. Poroshenko, the self proclaimed Banderite.
Poroshenko was a CIA operative. His mission was to carry out the ethnic cleansing of the Donbass for Barrack Obama.