On Tuesday, the German newspaper Bild reported that the German military is blaming Ukraine’s lack of success in its counteroffensive on the tactics of its commanders.
According to a leaked German military report, Berlin’s armed forces think Urkaine’s commanders and battle-hardened troops are not using their Western training. US officials have made similar complaints in comments to the media, saying Ukraine isn’t using “combined arms” tactics, which integrate armor, infantry, and artillery.
The German report said Ukraine was breaking up its NATO-trained bridges into much smaller units. “Some of the troop units are divided up in so many small sections that each troop unit does something, but a joint combat leadership is not recognizable,” the paper said.
While criticizing Ukraine’s tactics, Western officials have also acknowledged that Ukraine did not have enough equipment and training to dislodge Russian troops. Ukrainian Commander-in-Chief Gen. Valery Zaluzhny has pointed out that NATO would never launch an offensive like Ukraine has without air superiority.
After taking heavy losses in the first few weeks of the counteroffensive, Ukrainian leaders have said their forces changed gears and are working to dismantle vast minefields laid by Russia. The New York Times recently reported that US officials were frustrated by how Ukraine is fighting and would prefer them to stick with Western tactics and press harder to breach the Russian defenses despite the risk of major casualties.
To think the NATO cabal is blaming it all on the people on the bottom who do get killed, letting them know it is their own fault getting killed in lost cause battle. It is their own fault to get killed and the real desk top killers had nothing to do with it.
These leaders are bad people, decent people would speak up and put a stop to the killing.
I think there’s a chance this new narrative of “The Ukrainians aren’t just trying hard enough” could be paving the first exit ramp for the West. In trying to pass the blame, they could claim “look, we gave them hundreds of billions of dollars in advanced weaponry and training, but in the end they just didn’t listen! They’re Soviets after all, reverting to Soviet-style tactics.”
I just find it noteworthy that multiple officials across multiple countries are now using this excuse.
Sneaky, low life cowards blame the young people they send out to be killed for their own gigantic failures. They are responsible for the annihilation of another nation, and not for the first time either. They will never take the responsibility for it.
Especially as they knew that without air power, air defense, lack of numerical superiority, an artillery disadvantage, etc, etc, no tactic, “combined arms” or otherwise, was going to dislodge the dug-in Russians.
Are you talking about decent Ukrainians or decent Americans?
There are decent Ukrainians and decent Americans , the decent Ukrainians would have voted Zelensky out but he cancelled the elections for my money on orders from the White House , and the decent Americans are to busy trying to keep their heads above water , from what i have read most are one pay check away from ruin .
In the movie Animal House, John Belushi’s character explains to a distraught Flounder, “Tell him you f—-d up, you trusted us.”
It is Ukraine’s own fault for “trusting us.”
Right. When was the last NATO general who took responsibility for a FUBAR … ? Rather, Colin Powell is their idol.
The last one was General Montgomery for the Market Garden fiasco in WW2 .
Very good. EIghty years ago, and a Brit.
Most of the NATO countries don`t agree with the war but because they are tied into the article 5 one for all all for one B.S which on reflection i bet they wish they had never signed up to it , as it is they have no choice but to go along with it , uncle sam won`t be impressed if one of them steps out of line .
They certainly are afraid of the USA, but the NATO treaty has little to do with it. The Treaty and A 5 are NOT implicated in the Ukraine.
Jesse, I think they had the choice to say no, Ukraine is not a NATO member and will never become a member. They should have had enough backbone to put Bush and later Obama in their place, they made Ukraine a de facto NATO member to serve US interests. Even now the Europeans could unite and say NO more, we had enough slaughter for nothing. The big lie again, Ukraine was never meant to become a NATO member, it was the weapon to provoke Russia. To annihilate Ukraine and the Ukrainian people for the RIGHT to become a NATO member more than equals the lies about the invasion of Iraq.
The Ukraine is a puppet state of NATO and the West and they are directed by US CIA, State Dept., and military advisors on everything. It blew up in their face when Russia didn’t collapse so now they are looking for scapegoats.
Well, he has a point, but the fault lies with NATO planners, not so much Ukraine. Training was conducted in so many different countries, at so many different sites, and in such a short period that it’s not likely there is any consistency in proficiency through the brigades. No full size brigade exercises, like the USA does at the NTC, were conducted, with O/C evaluators and AARs to confirm what was learned.
Further, the “brigades (actually Battalion sized task forces) are equipped with such a heterogenous assortment of hodge podge vehicles, with varying capabilities, that no “standard” training is even possible – what a unit equipped with Leopard 2s and Bradleys might be capable of is FAR different from what a unit equipped with MRAPs and ex-Slovenian T55s is capable of.
Blaming the “students” because the teachers and their lesson plans are F’ed Up is hardly appropriate. “NATO”, including the US, are trying to portray themselves as the “Experts”, when in fact there is not a single commander, from any country, with any first hand combat experience of fighting a peer enemy under the conditions faced in Ukraine. or conducting massive breaching operations under fire. They are ALL just as amateur as the Ukrainians they are “training” are. Most of these “experts” are simply clowns in uniform.
Spot on NATO nor the US has had to face a highly trained well equipped army for decades , the last one the US faced was in Vietnam and they lost that one , and the one before that was WW2 which the Russians won , read first hand accounts of the Eastern Front by German Panzer Grenadiers , the German high command hitler and his cronies had no idea just how big Russia was and they paid the price for it .
We can only hope that Russians will be able to hold the real war criminals accountable and rub their noses in the cow manure they leave behind.
They knowingly misused the Ukrainians, land and people, for cannon fodder. The Obama/Biden Nuland regime change turned Ukraine in a vassal state, the end of sovereignty.
Obama, a real debonair, and his people were very suave war criminals, with top of the line PR expertise.
The Democrats are not likely to find another Obama to replace the demented Biden. Harris is a joke and another Kennedy will not do after two Kennedys were assassinated.
Obama is what the Australian Aboriginals call a black fella white fella , calling him the first black president is a joke , and the joke was on the African Americans who put him in the White House .
“To the last Ukranian….”: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/07/26/kpcx-j26.html
Til their death do us part.
Sure…..
If only……..
The little guy is losing, it’s honestly sad, but the claims by these Generals are laughable.
Aren’t German Generals the real armchair kind anyway?
After those jokers lost WW2 haven’t they been on a real short leash lest they act like Germans and try to conquer Europe again?
Or maybe the entire west is embracing its inner Nazi?
You share that in a joking manner but prior to WW2 the Progressive movement just loved how the trains ran on time in Italy.
In fact the tribalism progressives demand we follow with their censorship and demands of certain behavior is the modernization of Nationalism by today’s Socialists.
Is it possible that it is coincidental that more than 95% of establishment political and corporate leadership of the whole US/NATO alliance consists of individuals who are 100% deranged idiots? Even money can only go so far, some idiots is understandable but all with only some exceptions like Orban or Erdogan and some small countries?
Not only possible but very probable.Any one entering the Military or politics should be required to have a mental sanity test,maybe the police also.
The much hyped weapons provided to Ukraine were in reality sent in tiny numbers. 14 Challengers. Less than 100 Leopards, with losses starting even before numbers reached 50.
It resembles the deployment of Tiger tanks of WW2, which were kept in a very few separate battalions that each had a small actual strength in numbers. They were then used in “fire brigades” to rush out to critical places as urgent reinforcements. The only time they were massed was at Kursk (when they lost).
So the Germans talk, but Ukraine does what the Germans actually did with their own super tanks.
If anyone can criticize the Ukrainian army is the German army. But since they aren’t the ones bleeding dry, it’s best to keep their mouth shut.
And there you have it , NATO would not launch a offensive without air superiority , Iraq , Libya , Afghanistan ect come to mind , in other words NATO is a toothless tiger without it`s toy fighters / bombers , and as one Afghan Brit vet said every time a patrol went out you could see the fear on their faces as they might not have air cover .
Given the current effectiveness of air defense systems against fighter jets, air superiority isn’t going to be happening against a peer adversary. NATO doctrine isn’t going to work.
As far as the Germany army goes? What????
Yep, pretty much. The entire reason for North American Terrorist Occupation of Europe is so Pentagon and English cowards could hide behind Europeans and use European populations as human shields. The imperial military is completely incapable of waging war against capable opponents. It will not survive in a war with Iran, never mind India, PRC or RF. The only thing they can do is terrorize small, defenseless countries from safe distance.
Germany has a point. Where’s the Ukrainian commanders’ common sense? But, Germany asking other countries to have better common sense is hilarious comedy. Where’s George Carlin when you need him? (Sarcasm alert)
I miss Carlin truly one of the smartest and funniest commentators I have ever heard or seen. his biting humor struck a chord in my soul.
Could it be that Pentagon terrorist training is crap? They are reverting to Soviet fighting tactics because they are simply better. Just like Soviet equipment is better than supplied imperial junk. That Washington-funded propaganda rag is just salty because Pentagon basically screwed Germany with Leopards. Washington also screwed Germany by blowing up Nordstream pipes but Germany is used to getting screwed by the empire.
The Germans could at least show some civilian courage and speak up, they are too cowardly to do even that little, they could stand up and tell it as it is, they have nothing left to lose, demented Biden drove Germany and the EU and NATO in the ditch already. The ample coalition is just one big POS, full
of little maggots.
They can’t. If you think the totalitarian regime is bad in imperial centers, it’s much worse in conquered vassal states.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/X4EufoVsyKEL/
IF the vassal state has a American puppet leader that`s just what they like , as for the people under the US Regime leaders they could careless . Gaddafi , Saddam , ect ect all US puppets at one time or another .
Well no, not really. This infection doesn’t work that way. People don’t like to be occupied and have no sovereignty. Ask any German if they like being a slave to US in their own country. They are forced to comply, be it by lies and propaganda or direct force.
no, i do not!
Germans would now be speaking Russian if it was not for US troops.
Yes as free choice in real, quality education. Not forced as they are now with English.
Maggots or noseeums?
Maybe both?
I had to look up noseeums, much the same.
You have to remember Germany is still a occupied country Americas first line of defence against Russia , as Americans are fond of saying we would rather fight in your back yard than ours .
Germany is a vassal of the Globalist American Empire and there are almost as many American troops on German soil as there are German troops.
I fully agree with you. But previous men like Adenauer, Schmidt, Brandt, and Schroeder would have made a stand against such suicidal policies, they would have demanded investigations and answers concerning a declaration of war what the pipeline sabotage is. They would at least have saved their honor, they were real men with integrity and decency. Merkel, I don’t know. The present ample coalition is scum, a terrible shame and disaster for the nation. They must be the hired hands of the USA. What they are doing is treason. They broke their oath of office.
Germany is Americas number one LACKEY with Britain a close second .
England is an imperial center, Germany is a vassal state. And not a first tier vassal state.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3a38790eba95dc31cc0a9bb33fcb81c160d1337fae9aa3016ff03de15e3e2f7c.jpg
This is a very important graphic.
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Next.. ?
For sure, if “Soviet” tactics mean going on the defensive, they suit the Ukies more than rushing headlong into the Russian lines without air support, air defense, etc.
It appears there is (was) no lack of arms in Ukraine failed counteroffensive… It only comes down to their bad war tactics, ignoring west war tactics, and Russian resistance tactics…!
Not really. Ukrainians fight just as well as Russians. It’s simply isn’t a fair fight. Russians have total air superiority and imperials gave Ukraine useless garbage,
Another reason may be that Russians know what they are fighting for, the same is not true for the Ukrainians.
Border security makes sense, to fight and die, to turn down the option of neutrality and peace for the RIGHT to become a NATO member makes no sense at all.
By now they know they are being sacrificed for American interests, just like all the other NATO members, including the stupid Swedes and Fins.
And to top it off, the Ukrainians are finding out they are not welcome in NATO at all.
But did Russians use their Air Force to counter the Ukrainian counteroffensive…?
Oh yeah. All that trash Pentagon and European vassals sent to Ukraine is like a buffet for Lancets and Alligators. There isn’t a day go by without KA-52 or Lancet wrecking one of these boxes.
If it isn’t blown up by mines.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/VA6bmSoUtKl3/