The US is close to approving the provision of longer-range missiles for Ukraine that the White House has been reluctant to send due to concerns of escalation, The Wall Street Journal reported on Thursday.
The Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS) have a range of up to 190 miles and can be fired from US-provided HIMARS rocket systems. The ATACMS would more than double Ukraine’s strike range and could be used to hit targets inside Crimea and in the Russian mainland.
Most of the ammunition Kyiv has for use with the HIMARS has a range of about 50 miles, although the US has also pledged Ground Launched Small Diameter Bombs (GLSDB), which can hit targets up to 94 miles away. Russia said in March that it had downed a GLSDB for the first time.
US and European officials told the Journal that the decision to send ATACMS is pending approval at the highest levels of the US government. The report said that the officials have seen “signs that previously reluctant quarters of the US government, namely the White House, have come to see an urgent need to bolster Ukraine’s fight in the coming weeks.”
The officials cited Yevgeny Prigozhin’s short-lived mutiny as a reason why the US should escalate military aid for Ukraine. Hawks in Congress have been arguing that the uprising is evidence that US support for Kyiv is working and say it’s a reason to approve more spending on the war.
When asked about the report, Pentagon spokesman Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder said, “I’m not aware of any imminent decisions as it relates to ATACMS.”
Ukrainian officials insist they won’t use ATACMS to target Russian territory, but the Discord leaks have suggested that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky would want to use US-provided missiles in Russia. According to intelligence obtained by spying on Zelensky, he expressed “concern” about the fact that his forces didn’t have weapons that could hit troops inside Russia.
While the US has discouraged Ukraine from using US weapons inside Russia, the restriction does not apply to Crimea, which Moscow has controlled since 2014. Secretary of State Antony Blinken has acknowledged that Crimea is a “red line” for Russian President Vladimir Putin, but other US officials, including Undersecretary of State Victoria Nuland, have said the US supports Ukrainian attacks on the peninsula.
I hope China deploy an equivalent system in Cuba
I’m all for tit for tat. But this wont end well for humanity.
What kind of human would want that?
It’s not bad enough that innocent Russian citizens are in more danger.
Now you openly hope that innocent Ukrainian civilians are as well.
I am guessing you are mentally disturbed and/or staggeringly ignorant and/or flat out stupid.
Though, it seems you are not alone on here in that.
Kinzhal hypersonic missile, if launched from Cuba, can hit White House in Washington. Maybe Putin should consider selling a couple of them to Cuban friends.
Did you mean the Kynzhal 2? You know, the ones that teleport?
Take 2 Kynzhal and call us in the morning.
yeah, they are super hyped.
They’re hypersonic.
Hypersonic but not hyper-invisible
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2023-06-26/patriot-proves-counter-hypersonic-capability
Apparently they are not, or perhaps the new patriot system are counter hypersonic capable. Either way, don’t put all of your hopes in it.
Tell THAT to the 30 Ukes that just got greased by one.
Well once we get the latest software from Ukraine maybe not.
This is dumb. Escalation with Zelensky having the power to escalate or not.
Send them under US control, and escalate by our own power, or don’t send them.
This nursery school “We didn’t bomb Moscow – IT WAS UKRAINE! We had nothing to do with it.” narrative is juvenile and self destructive.
When that happens the Russians will play the same card with Tactical nuclear weapons launched from Belarus and blame Wagner elements. This will be Putin’s escalate to
de-escalate moment. The past weeks events in Russia weren’t an accident.
Problem is , NATO wants this to justify its goal of escalation. WW3
1) What would Russia POSSIBLY gain from launching tactical nukes? Knowing that NATO will have to retaliate.
2) Right. Like ANYONE in their right mind is going to believe that Putin handed over tactical nuclear weapons to Wagner.
If Russia hits Ukraine with tactical nukes, NATO won’t have to retaliate and probably wouldn’t. Not with nukes. And Russia won’t use tactical nukes unless their ass is tight up against the wall.
Are you serious?
Your point makes no sense, imo.
Once Russia knows that NATO won’t retaliate with nukes?
Why the ‘f’ would they stop using them until they win?
The war would be effectively over. And all of Ukraine would seen be Russian.
And it also means that Russia/China/North Korea can attack any non-NATO country they want. Knowing that they can just nuke the excrement out of the battlefield’s. And NATO will not respond in kind.
There is virtually NO chance that NATO would not retaliate. They have to for their own future’s if not for Ukraine’s.
Sometimes you make sense.
This is not one of those times.
I was talking about if Russia uses a tactical nuke in Ukraine ONLY. The US/NATO will NOT go nuclear to protect Ukraine.
Xi has presumably already laid the law down to Putin on that count, seeing as how China has specifically placed Ukraine under its “nuclear umbrella” (dating back to 1994 and renewed in 2013).
I know you were talking about Ukraine.
I will say again…what the ‘f’ is to stop Russia just nuking their way to victory in Ukraine once they know that NATO will do nothing in response?
And how will this not empower China/NK/Russia to nuke ANY, non-NATO country they are at war with?
Knowing that NATO will do NOTHING to stop them?
I said the US/NATO wouldn’t use nukes; I didn’t say they wouldn’t respond. It’s ether deal with the tactical nuke usage by isolating Russia or its nuclear war with Russia. It would be easy to get the world to agree that Russia would be a pariah is they did indeed use a tactical nuke in Ukraine. And deterring others (China/NK) from using nukes, by going full nuclear in response to Russia using a tactical nuke in Ukraine, would be meaningless since we’d all be dead.
They already are isolated!
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/commodities/russia-war-ukraine-sanctions-economy-growth-oil-gas-exports-revenue-2022-9?op=1
That has done dick to stop them.
I have wasted too much time on this already.
Yes or no?
You are actually saying that if Russia uses tactical nukes. That NATO will not retaliate with tactical nukes of their own. Even though this will surely embolden Russia to keep using them until they win the war? And embolden America’s enemies to do the same in future conflicts outside of NATO?
You are actually claiming this?
YES OR NO?
No, they aren’t isolated. The West isn’t the WORLD.
NO! The US/NATO will not do a nuclear war for Ukraine. And retaliating over a tactical nuke being used in Ukraine by using a tactical nuke in Russia will start a full-blown nuclear war. And what enemies of the US possess tactical nukes? The same ones who know they will no longer exist if they use a nuke on a NATO country. No one is going to be emboldened.
That’s why it’s fortunate that the People’s Republic of China has expressly placed Ukraine under its “nuclear umbrella.” And presumably had its diplomats (if not Xi himself) discuss the consequences of raining on that umbrella with their Russian counterparts.
You said that was renewed in 2013. Curious as to whether anything changed since then.
I’ve seen no record of the PRC changing its position. Have you?
The whole point of a “nuclear umbrella” is to keep nukes from being used on the countries covered by said “umbrellas,” because anyone using nukes on those countries will in turn be nuked by the country holding the “umbrella” overhead.
If the PRC has not changed its position, don’t you think that Chinese diplomats would have been instructed to remind their Russian counterparts that it is the PRC’s policy to respond in kind to the use of nuclear weapons against Ukraine?
I was asking you. Given how their relationship has changed since 2013.
Z cannot do diddly without orders from D.C. Peace negotiations? Nope. Twice. Nope. It is like he got his dingaling caught in his piano, with D.C. sitting on the closure.
Ouch!! (mental picture)
Do you really believe he played a piano with his d!ck?
I think you do like many others here.
Nah, I think most people realize they were simulating. Who knows if their johnsons were out. But I don’t think that matters all that much. Would you feel better if people called him the simulating dick playing piano man?
Oh V, that visual made me laugh…!
And you think it is better for American troops to be launching long range strikes into Russian territory?
And that has a lesser chance of escalation than if Ukrainians fire the weapons?
Okay.
And Ukraine already has the capability to strike Russian territory…even without ATACMS.
Why am I not surprised? When are we giving our nuclear launch codes to Zelensky? Never. Ending. Esclation.
Maybe peacekeeper submarines can intercept them in the north Atlantic.
I’m starting to wonder if the Wall Street Journal is a reliable source. Their article says they obtained this story from “US and European Officials”, and the decision is “pending”. Obviously, the decision maker is Biden. So why not ask him directly?
Why don’t they ask their detained journalist, the one arrested in the Urals (?)
totally not a reliable source.
“US Close to Approving Long-Range ATACMS for Ukraine The ATACMS have a range of up to 190 miles”
Escalation to infinity and beyond will make Eastern Europe a burned out cinder!
“Close to approving” means they’re already in Ukraine. WWIII is not gonna start itself. We have to try harder… You know for global freedom and democracy? Hard to wait. I can dream it oozing out of my veins any minute now. (Sarcasm)
So, we won’t mind if their equivalent missiles hit NATO command and supply bases in Poland, from which we keep the Ukraine War going.
Taunting them into doing that may be the actual plan, as the only way to get NATO to go save Ukraine.
They don’t seem to need it. …I know. The Europeans and British are very very very stupid, but they’re still somehow smart enough to suicide themselves. You just have to give them a chance. Please be patient. They’ll do it. I promise. (Sarcasm alert)
Well for stupid people, they have managed to provide indoor plumbing for their population. Russia is still 25% outhouses.
Ever been in the American South?
OK we have our stupid people too
I think we might mind, the Poles seem to be chomping at the bit they owe Russia a favor.
The U.S., the U.K. and the rest of the NATO lapdogs seem intent on starting WW3, they’ll eventually get there.
It’s only a matter of time that Russia reacts directly towards these NATO criminals.
It’s only a matter of time that Russia reacts directly towards these KREMLIN criminals.
I corrected your typo.
Yes, of course. The US, the UK, and the rest of the NATO lapdogs invaded Ukraine and have been threatening with use of Nukes to defend it.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
You are doing that to yourself. Get out of your basement.
Well actually I do spend a good bit of time in my basement, not all of us can spend our time reporting on the war over in Ukraine. Does Z let you sit in on starategy sessions?
This is a total humiliation for US/NATO. Months of planning, billions spent, massive training and equipping campaigns and in 3 weeks its over with a massive defeat to Ukraine? 20,000 casualties and NATO couldn’t get past the first line of defense.
US/NATO overall has accumulated the following equipment losses;
444 Aircraft, 240 helicopters, 4823 UAV’s, 426 Anti Aircraft systems, 10402 tanks inc. APC’s, 1133 multiple rocket launchers, 5269 rocket launchers and 11276 military automotive equipment.
At the May 9th Victory Day Parade Vladimir Putin has included the De-occupation of Ukraine as an objective of the SMO. The SMO now will achieve De-Nazification, Demilitarisation and De-Occupation of Ukraine.
The NATO summit in Vilnius will be very interesting. They are literal parasites eating their host countries.
“The NATO summit in Vilnius will be very interesting. They are literal parasites eating their host countries.” I have a weak stomach. I hate parasites, but please send me clips of Biden if he starts drooling, falling, wondering off, and spewing nonsense while he ignites nuclear extermination of humanity. For some reason, it makes me laugh. (Sarcasm alert)
Makes me laugh to see him go ass over teapot on a sandbag 😉
Something tells me that this is all for show. Our neocon masters are constantly upping the ante and making all-out war with Russia inevitable. That is, after all, their ultimate goal, to involve the USA in a catastrophic war that totally destroys the USA, Russia, and most of humanity. They have a collective hard-on for Armageddon and nothing short of WWIII will get them off.
I don’t think so, all out war with Russia would be a bad thing. Screwing with Russia at minimal cost to the US is too tempting to be ignored.
Yes, indeed. WWIII would be a bad thing, except for the dark cabal that wants a catastrophic war with Russia that will be the end of the USA, Russia, and most of humanity.
Problem being as to where the ‘screwing with Russia’ line is crossed that will cause the all out war. And will there be any turning back? That’s the problem with the minimal cost logic. Once you go past a point, you just can’t walk away and take your minimal cost losses. Your losses go from minimal to catastrophic in a heartbeat. So maybe we should have ignored the temptation.
C’mon man, Ukraine is winning according to Biden, Blinken, Julio and Irrational Thinker.
Oh! I’m so relieved! /s
Ukraine is winning. You have no source for your BS. (If you do, post it!)
I have sources for what I’m saying but you tankies will dismiss it a propaganda. No worries. We’ll all soon see. You all will start turning the Russian defeat into some sort of victory. Hahaha. Bunch of Baghdad Bobs for sure!
Copium for all! Hahaha
Slava Ukraini!
Make sure you wear your helmet over there at ground zero to protect your little irrational brain. Keep those sources coming when is your next meeting with Z?
Post it.
Nope. You know exactly what your reaction will be. (Although, you might have difficulty dismissing Rybar’s Twitter feed.)
If you know what my reaction will be, then you must question your own sources.
I don’t. (But I do occasionally follow Rybar. Do you want me to do the work for you and post him or are you just staying with your comforting RT news feeds?)
Never been on RT. I’m not even following who is “winning”. If Russia loses, we all lose. Especially Ukraine. If they are able to claim victory it will be from a cratered-out shithole.
That’s the spirit!
No one is “winning.”
And no one is going to “win.”
Eventually, both sides will declare “victory,” neither having achieved their announced goals.
Bombs-R-Us inc. are already winning.
they are like Big-Oil – indispensable in today’s world.
No one is “winning.”
That’s why I put the quote marks around the word.
You really don’t follow RT? I find that hard to believe.
Well, that’s fine, you still get RT through the pro Russia team here.
If Russia loses, we all lose only if Putin pushes the coward loser button. Which means he seizes to exist.
Why in the fuck would I say I don’t visit RT if I actually did? It’s not like it’s something that I would be ashamed of doing.
And once again with the unbelievable stupidity that this is a “Putin” thing.
i think that he doesn’t actually have a real source
Great comeback Wars!
Anyone who laughs about war should immediately be sent to the front.
A-hole.
You forgot Nuland and Sullivan, you Putin cheerleader.
Yes, he did. Good of you to remind him.
Gotta keep the fantasy going.
Yes, “fantasy”. At least in your mind. Because Sullivan and Nuland have no influence. None of the neocons do, am I right?
Yes, because they are so influential they can do whatever they want. The US government is full of influential folks. It is those who have control the ones that make decisions. Not Nuland nor Sullivan which you here think make decisions.
Did I say they could do “whatever they want”? They have influence. And then you admit the government is “full of influential folks” but for some reason you must think they don’t influence those that make decisions. One wonders if you know what the word influence actually means.
I dont know what influence mean. Sorry, was not educated growing up and dont have google.
If you are truly anti war, Why dont you take your precious time to counter the radical pro russian crowd here.
Do that then come and argue with me.
You certainly don’t act like you know what the word influence means. I have yet to say Nuland, Sullivan or anyone else are making the decisions. But you like lumping everyone together regardless if there are huge difference between their opinions. Like you call everyone a Putin lover.
And what does my antiwar status have to do with whose comments I reply to? I’ll answer for you, nothing.
Frankly it is too soon to tell, bloody stalemate is a possible outcome
I call BS on your numbers.
Ukraine did not even have that many weapons systems of the kind you list.
So there is no way they could lose more weapons systems than they even had.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Armed_Forces_of_Ukraine#Combat_vehicles
Please post a link to your source.
I almost guarantee you it has something to do with the Russian Government.
Which means the numbers mean nothing and are just propaganda (just as the Ukrainian government numbers mean nothing).
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-ukrainian.html
If we look from other viewpoint, everything is going fine for US oligarchy. All those weapons are not free. Ukraine got deep in the debt while Ukrainian assets are fabulously cheap. Once the peace deal is done, American corporations will come and buy what is valuable in Ukraine for a very good price, something like 20% of the real value.
this is exactly what is happening. Massive IMC corporate profits to destroy it, bankers put the nation in debt, and then corporations come back to purchase dirt cheap assets to be bought in 10 years. imperialistic resource conquest and profiteering via nation building 101
What exists now is a state of war between the United States and Russia. Vladimir Putin should just come out and say it since Biden is too delusional to realize the situation he blundered into. Maybe then the war mongers might realize the grave situation they’ve placed us – them – everybody in and step back from the brink.
At the very least it will signal that it’s time to make peace with our creator who we’ll be imminently meeting.
Good bye.
Putin can see the writing on the wall. (That’s why he’s “threatening” a nuclear strike.) He probably knows he’s not going to win so he’s trying to salvage some “win”. He REALLY wants to hang on to Crimea. He DOES NOT want to f**k-around-and-find-out with NATO/US. (The US is the big dog in this story.) Russia was supposed to be the second best military in the world and it turned out that — prior to Wagner leaving Ukraine — they were actually only the THIRD best military in Ukraine! Hahaha.
Slava Ukraini, tankies!
Again…laughing about war and all the horror it entails.
SFB.
And yet that third rate military is in Ukraine controlling Ukrainian land.
So far…
Judging by the comment I replied to, it didn’t seem you were aware of that. But your good with the sacrificing of lives to continue.
The Russians are sacrificing their people and the Ukrainian people. Am I supposed to bear the brunt of your rage? Tell your handlers in Russia to leave and then there will be no more death. Until then, STFU.
My “rage”? What the fuck are you babbling about? And “my handlers”? I’m not “sticking” for Russia asshole, I’m just looking at reality. You’re good with the continued dying of Ukrainians and I’m not. You just try to pretend it’s for some noble cause when it’s nothing of the sort. People dying to achieve the West’s stated goal of weakening Russia should disgust everyone, but you just cheerlead on more and more death. So, how about you just shut the fuck up.
Putin can see the writing on the wall because Putin is doing the writing and what’s being written is Ukraine’s epitaph.
The big dog remains on the porch barking. Ukraine remains in the gutter gutted.
Evidenced suggests your supposition is inaccurate.
And your suppository has gone to your head.
France Deploys ‘Armored Military Vehicles’ To Combat Nationwide Riots. France is heading to civil war. The elites are leading France to destruction.
NATO forces will be used to quell the unrest. We are at war with NATO, more accurately NATO is at war with us, most of you just dont realise it.
NATO is at war with everyone. Especially the serfs they expect to finance their weapons and fight their wars.
Russia is the least of NATO’s worries.
Civil war? This is just a re-run of George Floyd in France. France has handled far worse than this.
I do not agree with the US sending ANY weapons to Ukraine.
And I TOTALLY disagree with attacks on any civilians.
But if Russia is going to target/destroy civilian targets inside Ukraine?
I see no reason (morally) why Ukraine should not be able to do the same to Russian targets inside Russia.
They are both doing wrong.
Russia is not targeting civilian targets.
Russia is targeting civilian pizza shops. Try to keep up.
Russia is not targeting civilian targets. The restaurant had been used by NATO with approx. 100 casualties.
Yes. NATO needed that restaurant to supply their Strategic Pepperoni Resrve
Lol
I would hope that Ukraine won’t waste expensive munitions on insignificant civilian targets. There are plenty of military targets to go after.
I dont think they have.
Sleepy Joe just keeps sticking it further and further into that meat grinder.
Seymour Hersch has an article in “Scheerpost” that is a frightening read for the Biden administration and the Democratic Party. For us wa well.
Seymour Hersch has become a hack. Damn shame such an amazing journalistic career is in the sewer for fawning over Russia/Putin.
Russia is going to draw the line I bet.
Ahhh, yes. Another Red Line! I agree. Russia WILL draw another line and the West will run it over with MRAPS, CV90s, Leopards, or Chalengers.
Hahaha. Keep holding on to your “tough-guy” approach. Bless your heart!
Stay tuned.
Oh we’ve been tuned since Putin invaded last year and have seen his failed SMO getting worse.
Don’t worry, we are watching.
“”Ukrainian “counter-offensive” = in the first two weeks of the operation, the Ukraine military seized only 44 square miles of territory previously held by the Russian army, much of it open land. In contrast, Russia is now in control of 40,000 square miles of Ukrainian territory.””
excerpt from = https://scheerpost.com/2023/07/01/seymour-hersh-prigozhins-folly/
“Seized” 44 square miles. So you admit the Russians are losing ground. Thank you.
sure thing Julio
https://images.dailykos.com/images/1204649/original/RobotyneJuly1.jpg?1688284051
Scale?
“Russia is now in control of 40,000 square miles of Ukrainian territory.”
Define “Ukrainian territory.”
Are you including Crimea, Donetsk, and Luhansk, none of which have been “Ukrainian territory” since 2014, in that square mileage count?
Right Thomas. But you’ll recall that ZelBoy considers them “Ukrainian territory “.
I wasn’t asking ZelBoy, I was asking “spy on this” for HIS definitions.
that is an excerpt from the link that i also provided.
edit = i went back and properly excerpted it.
Also on Consortium News, Spy
^^^^^^
Will someone please shut this fool up?
Oh wait, I just did
*****IGNORE*****
😁
Coward
They find you annoying, not intimidating. You just owned yourself.
Wow. I really do feel owned. I’m devastated.
ATACMS LOL. when Corporal O’Reilly orders more of them he pronounces it as a word.
“hey Sparky we need 5 more boxes of attack’ems over here – on the double!”
https://youtu.be/XwayqkBTam8
Another fake video created by West MSM.
A dozen or so and so much for the Kerch bridge. That would massively complicate things for the Russians
Stands to reason dosen`t it the harder Z hits Russia ect the harder Putin will hit back .
Personally, it pains me to see hard working American tax payer dollars going to a country on the other side of the globe. I hope Russia and Ukraine are able to work things out, but our people here in America are hurting. Inflation has skyrocketed and our tax paying dollars continue to go towards things that have no bearing on us whatsoever. I would rather see our government advocate for peace rather than continuing to fund this war.
Well said, JT, well said!
The US has just approved $3.8 million for school lunches in poverty-stricken districts.
The US has just approved $1.37 billion to improve unsafe bridges and railroad trestles.
The US has just approved $34.6 million for victims of recent deadly storms.
The US has just approved…oh, what the f*ck am I thinking. Sorry. I’m under the influence of painkillers.
they had to force themselves to approve those needed pittances
“The US has just approved $3.8 million for school lunches in poverty-stricken districts.”
Well, I guess that’s a nice little addition to the $28.7 billion the federal government spent on that last year.
What next for the insane politicians in America? Today longer range conventional missiles for Ukraine and next year intermediate range nuclear missiles?
Once again greed and corruption is the rule in Washington.