This is an updated version of a previous article.
Russia’s Wagner Group has called off its march on Moscow and agreed to stand down after launching a two-day mutiny and seizing a military base in the city of Rostov-on-Don. The Kremlin said it would drop all charges against the company and its leader, Yevgeny Prigozhin, who has been guaranteed safe passage to Belarus.
Prigozhin shared a brief audio statement to social media on Saturday confirming his decision to withdraw, saying that the PMC would return to its “field camps” and continue their previous operations in Ukraine “according to plan.”
“They wanted to disband PMC Wagner. On June 23, we went on a ‘March of Justice’ in a day. We advanced on Moscow just 200km short, and during this time we did not shed a single drop of the blood of our fighters,” he said.
Earlier on Saturday, the Wagner chief announced that his troops had captured the Southern Military District headquarters in Rostov, less than one day after accusing the Russian military of launching a missile strike on a Wagner position and vowing to take his complaints directly to the Kremlin. He harshly criticized the leadership of Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, demanding his resignation along with the chief of staff of the armed forces, Valery Gerasimov.
While the full extent of the mutiny remains unclear, unverified videos making the rounds online purported to show active clashes between Wagner and Russian regulars. A Reuters correspondent also said they witnessed a military helicopter firing on a mercenary column driving near the city of Voronezh – about halfway to Moscow from Rostov – but noted that the fighters faced little “substantial resistance” on the road.
The outlet also cited a Russian source who said Wagner troops had taken military installations in Voronezh, though it was unable to confirm the claim.
Voronezh Governor Alexander Gusev was among a long list of local and regional officials to announce stepped-up security precautions amid Wagner’s march, also stressing that Russians would support President Vladimir Putin. The governor of Rostov, Vasily Golubev, similarly declared his region’s loyalty to the leader.
Russian officials announced charges against Prigozhin on Saturday morning, with Prosecutor General Igor Krasnov saying he would be prosecuted for an “attempt to organize an armed insurrection.”
The Wagner chief’s announcement came soon after Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko claimed to have successfully mediated talks with the paramilitary head and Putin, a close ally. Prigozhin did not mention the Belarusian leader in his own remarks, however.
“Yevgeny Prigozhin accepted the proposal of President Alexander Lukashenko to stop the movement of the armed men of Wagner in Russia and to take further steps to de-escalate tension,” Lukashenko’s press service said, adding that they “came to agreements on the inadmissibility of unleashing a bloody massacre on the territory of Russia.”
The statement said Prigozhin was offered “an advantageous and acceptable option for resolving the situation, with security guarantees for the Wagner PMC fighters,” but did not elaborate further.
The Kremlin confirmed the negotiations later on Saturday night, with Putin’s top spokesman Dmitry Peskov stating Prigozhin would “go to Belarus” in de facto exile. All charges against him and his fighters would be dropped, he added, and Wagner members who did not take part in the insurrection would be permitted to continue serving under Defense Ministry contracts.
“There was a supreme goal: to avoid bloodshed, to avoid internal confrontation, to avoid clashes with unpredictable results. It was in the name of these goals that mediation efforts were implemented,” Peskov continued, going on to praise Lukashenko’s efforts.
However, he said personnel changes within Russia’s military leadership did not come up during the talks, noting that such decisions are the prerogative of the president and would not be used as bargaining chips to end an armed uprising.
While Putin delivered a national address earlier in the day vowing to crush the rebels, warning that any mutiny would pose a dire threat to the Russian state itself, he appears to have walked back that stance following discussions with Prigozhin.
Will Porter is the assistant news editor of the Libertarian Institute and a staff writer at RT. He co-hosts Conflicts of Interest along with Kyle Anzalone and Connor Freeman.
Earlier this month Putin agreed to force Wagner fighters to sign contracts with the Military, the excuse was that it would make them legal combatants. In reality it took control out of Prigozhin’s hands.
Prigozhin thought he was indispensable, he found out otherwise and he’s lucky he won’t die in prison. His March of Justice, didn’t end in bloodshed “officially” that’s the only thing that saved him.
I’ve been trying to actually see if there were any real firefights or attacks and so far I can’t confirm any of them. Maybe one helicopter but even that is iffy, and even if that story pans out they are still claiming the pilots were ok.
Putin came out of this looking ok considering how messed up the situation looked at first. Him coming out hard and then agreeing to comprise was “presidential”. I think it made his generals look worse than him, the generals forced this confrontation and then failed to stop Wagner from driving to Moscow’s doorstep. It’s a bad look for Russia, no doubt about that, but Putin once again behaved very well, all things considered.
Prigozhin damaged the reputation of Russian state enormously. Because of his exaggerated personal political ambitions, a couple of days, Russia, in the eyes of the whole world, looked like a banana republic. Neither Putin nor Russian people will ever pardon him. Everyone could see that under certain circumstances he is ready to betray his country.
That’s how I see it, too. But don’t tell that to the bizarro world posters here on Antiwest.com that mysteriously were missing Friday evening and Saturday.
Charges against the former President, without charges against other former Presidents regarding material for Presidential libraries (shrines), make us look like that Banana Republic
It is a different story. The march of thousands of armed men to the capital with the goal of changing the military leadership of the country, from the image-making viewpoint, looks to me much worse for any state.
Using Wagner in Africa or the ME is ok but this episode proved the risk of using them closer to home especially with no tight control.
The PR and reputational damage to Putin is huge and will last for a long time. Prig handed Nato a great media victory for nothing.
NATO is a media event junkie.
Exactly what made Prigozhin decide to go against Russia?
Anyone?
He didn’t get enough ammo to kill more Pentagon mercs?
I’d like to hear some different opinions since I don’t believe this ‘coo’ was real.
We’re on the same page here so good call.
There’s something very suspicious about it all.
It’s early days so keep your ears to the ground and see what comes up.
i don’t believe it was real either
Jackson Hinkle had a rather interesting take. Prigozhin gets exiled to Belarus, but will Wagner group go with him? Maybe it is shuffling of units for a Russian operation in the near future. Who knows, but if this was a legit coup attempt Prigozhin would be dead.
Of course Wagner will stay in Russia. Or, maybe, some of them will go to Africa. Lukashenko will not allow armed Wagner troops into Belarus even if they wish.
They are already thee.
As several people have already pointed out, this was not a “coup attempt” of any kind.
The mechanism of a coup is a sudden seizure of key power centers — state media, leading figures, etc. — followed by the announcement of a new regime.
Prigozhin publicly announced his grievances and publicly announced a “march to Moscow” for redress of those grievances. In terms of mechanism, it was the exact opposite of a coup attempt. It was a mutiny with a PR mechanism intended to force the regime’s hand on those grievances, or to rally public support for regime change in what would have amounted to revolution, or possibly to inspire the regular army to attempt a coup. All those things assuming it was “legit” in terms of its public-facing claims matching its real purpose. Other alternatives minus the honesty factor might include Prigozhin being in the traitorous employ of the Ukraine/US/EU/NATO regimes, or Prigozhin just blowing his stack and going weirdly stupid, with the PR as convenient fiction.
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Different opinions – https://les7eb.substack.com/p/washingtons-ukraina-grandioznaya
This one –
Washington’s Ukraina Grandioznaya Skhema.
The Graveyard of This Empire.
Although having a huge/powerful army is a mistake, outsourcing your security to separate armies reporting to different leaders in one state could be a bigger mistake. The Romans are a prominent example with different generals destroying each other and finally destroying the empire itself. The Arabs outsourced their defense to the Mamluks, which was a bad idea. General Patton is another variety… …What’s that? …I shouldn’t talk about him? …Ok, got it. Erase, erase… (Sarcasm alert)
Don’t forget Blackwater in the good old USA… (Sarcasm alert)
LOL. Turnabout is fair play 😉
They haven’t been called Blackwater for quite some time, Thomas. Do try and keep up.
The reason they changed their name in 2009 was to escape the dark cloud they had been under since five of its guards were indicted on charges related to a 2007 shooting that left 17 unarmed Iraqi civilians dead. Blackwater, what Blackwater?
Lets compare and contrast.
How many civilians died due to blackwater’s actions since 1996? 17.
How many civilians died due to the US army’s actions since 1996? Hundreds of thousands, approaching millions.
How many dollars does the US waste on it’s public military?
How many dollars does the US waste on private militaries like Blackwater?
The problem with Blackwater isn’t that they’re a private mercinary group working for the US government. The problem is that they’re a private mercinary group working for the US government.
Among it’s alternatives, Blackwater is clearly the best.
Prigozhin has long functioned as a tool for Putin so he could deny involvement [Africa] in the end he got too ambitious for his own good.
The golden rule – Be Nice to People on Your Way Up. You’ll Meet Them On Your Way Down.
I see 2 plausible narratives:
1. Putin had made the decision to decommission Wagner.
2. Prigozhin conspiring with Ukrainian secret service, MI6, CIA and Russian dissidents to execute a coup. When promised support from Russian governors and generals never materialized he was forced to retreat.
??? both or neither could be true. ???
3. Prigozhin has been quoted as saying his dispute was not with Putin (ie the government), but with two top Russian commanders who were directly or indirectly in command of his supply chains, whom he has consistently characterized as incompetent in that regard.
That’s under my #1, that they wanted to disband them. But, setting that aside, why did he parrot the Washington line, if not part of a CIA conspiracy?
It may be under your #1 but it ain’t under mine.
I suppose we could have a contest in writing global analyses and be done with just #1.
If Shoigu & Gerasimov were corrupt or incompetent he should have pursued it through the chain of command, or directly to his friend Putin, without the histrionics. They let him finish his job in Bakmut, while they used the time to prepare their lines of defense; but, then notified him his contract would not be renewed when it expired July 1.
I don’t think he is in contact with NATO agencies though, of course, he helped them a lot. Now NATO has a good pretext to pour more money and more weapons into Ukraine.
Not directly perhaps, but anyway he would certainly have known the (“illegal & unprovoked”) Western mantra. I’m just thinking it not unlikely NATO intel services have contacts (direct or rat-line remote) among the Russian Atlanticist oligarchs and their pols, … that the plan likely envisioned a number of terror bombings in Petrograd and Moscow simultaneous with the putsch and assorted military cadre joining Prigozhin, … none of which occurred so Prigozhin did a ubie. ???
If Prigozhin with his armed Wagner troops could arrive in Moscow, no doubt, US would activate all their agents to support him. Of course, Putin knew about that. Probably, if the negotiations with Prigozhin failed, Russian army would block the bridges across Oka river (there are few of them and it is easy to do), so Wagner would be unable to go further to Moscow.
Would he ever have attempted it without very convincing assurance of a plausible plan? He would know the old saying – When you go to kill the king…etc.
He gambled. He knew, it would be difficult for Putin to use the military force against Wagner. The war correspondents themselves created an image of Wagner as the most efficient and successful unit in Russia. He hoped a lot of people would support him and he could be able to blackmail Putin for some political concessions, namely the change of the minister of defense and the chief of the general staff. If it happened, Prigozhin would be considered by many as a political leader who knows how to rule the country.
Ok, that make sense -Julius Caeser and all that … clearly he was full of himself. Also, it puts Putin’s behavior in a different light. Can he really be that cool-headed? or did Lukashenko or Lavrov calm him down? or is the Lukashenko thing just a convenient ruse?
thanks.
Of course Putin is cool-headed. All his life he was either in KGB or in politics. Putin’s address to nation, to army and to Wagner produced a certain effect upon Wagner too. Most of Wagner men refused to participate in the mutiny. All army units remained loyal to Putin. When Wagner mutineers marched to Moscow, Prigozhin was left in Rostov with a not such a strong forces. Chechen fighters approached Rostov and started to block the roads. Probably Prigozhin was relieved when Lukashenko offered to him a decent exit from the situation.
Yes but he did use very hot (“traitor”, “stab in the back”) language which preludes equally hot and harsh measures.
Elsewhere, what to make of the WaPo-Zelinsky interview (deleted part in May 14 RT) revealing Prigozhin contact with GUR??
Putin just called a spade a spade. He made it clear that the choice is not between Shoigu and Prigozhin but between the loyalty to the state and the treason.
I didn’t heard what Zelensky said about that. I never listen him. He is always talking the same nonsense. Probably some people around Prigozhin worked for CIA but I don’t think Prigozhin himself worked for any foreign agency.
“All army units remained loyal to Putin”
At least one paratroop regiment announced it was throwing in with Wagner.
I never heard about that. Probably it is not true. Even most Wagner men remained loyal to the commander-in-chief.
Prigozhin claimed he was acting out of loyalty to the commander in chief.
It’s hard to tell what his motives were, or who he was working for. But the key to being able to wrap up the war is probably pinning blame on Shoigu and Gerasimov so that Putin’s not damaged too much by the withdrawal.
Prigozhin and other 8 thousands Wagner men refused to subordinate to commander-in-chief. Even in peaceful time it is unpardonable. Of course he wouldn’t say that what he was doing is an attempt of the coup d’etat. But actually it was. He acted like the oligarchs from the nineties. Only Berezovsky and Khodorkovsky used money as the weapon. The goal is still the same: to make the elected authorities to do what he wants them to do. Putin would never allow it to happen. If Putin gave in, it would be the return to the oligarchy system, when unelected people decided who should be the minister.
Somewhat like a year ago Prigozhin talked about approaching socialist revolution. He is very much critical of modern Russian state and permanently accusing the state bureaucracy of corruption and incompetence. So, it looks, he considered himself as a political leader of the left forces.
While Wagner was active in Ukrainian war, Prigozhin became extremely critical of the ministry of defense. He is very much a public person and attracted a lot of attention of the war correspondents. Some war correspondents expressed the opinion that Wagner is much better than Russian army. Also he enjoyed great popularity in Russia as an efficient manager. There was an information that about 25% of Russians see him as a great political leader. Maybe it was only a PR. Many years Prigozhin worked with PR agencies.
It looks, the last straw which made him act radical was the decision of the ministry of defense to oblige all volunteer units, who are participating in the war in Ukraine, to sign the contract with the ministry of defense. Prigozhin was categorically against it. Even when Putin sided with the ministry of defense, Prigozhin refused to sign the contract.
What he has done looks absolutely crazy. This march of armed Wagner to Moscow did a lot of damage to Russia’s reputation. He betrayed not only the state but also his soldiers who trusted him. He not only exposed their lives to a great danger but also covered them with a great shame. All this was done exclusively for his personal political ambitions. Once he realized that very few people in Russia are supporting his gambling, he gave in and abandoned his Wagner men. It is appropriate to remember that Prigozhin has a criminal past.
Thanks for the detailed and logical explanation.
I suspect that the paperwork was big factor – they would have contained conditionalities that would have undermined his personal power and thus his ambitions.
He’d have to add another 10% to get up to Biden’s impressive numbers.
I agree with a lot of that, but I hardly think Priz is or ever was any kind of “leftist.” He’s a crook, an “entrepreneur” (ie also a crook!), and a mercenary. A thug and a gangster, basically. And also more than a little mentally unstable. He got too big for his britches, thought he could and should be the capo di tutti capi, and was told by Putin to go back to his place. He didn’t like that, and had a tantrum. In fact, he had an escalating series of tantrums, leading up to the events of this weekend.
Putin couldn’t just outright slap him down, or slap him down sooner, because Priz is the leader, either for real or merely in the popular imagination (it doesn’t really matter which), of the only battlefield success that Russia has had in quite some time. Perhaps with the Russian regular troops’ success in defending against the Ukie counteroffensive, Putin felt more confident in pushing Priz aside. And, perhaps, Priz could, for the same reason, see his centrality fading, and so decided it was now or never. Cross the Rubicon or forever hold his peace.
Of course when a billionaire is trying to act as the leader of the left, it is suspicious. On the other hand, with a properly organized PR, it works. At least, Prigozhin never participated in the criminal privatization of 1992-1994. He made his money in a normal business. Also he was always an active supporter of Putin (Putin is socialist. He is acting in the interests of the majority of ordinary people). Prigozhin had some relations with Putin, Wagner worked for Russia. He is also taking care of his men and they trusted him. Definitely, until this mutiny, Prigozhin looked more trustworthy than communist-billionaire Grudinin who in the presidential elections 2018 got 12% of the votes.
What makes you think Prigozhin went against Russia?
It’s early days however I would not rule out the very real possibility that the ”Wagner” group was compromised.
Numerous Russian oligarchs have had their top of the line yacht’s and mansions confiscated.
Prigozhin is a wealthy businessman who has made major investments on the African continent – we all know that the US is also very active on the same continent – go figure – it would not take much to confiscate those assets.
I’d consider the possibility that he was compromised and that alphabet soup agencies played a role.
What a strange 24 hours. The speed at which Prigozhin’s fate was negotiated makes me think it was preordained in some respects, although the actions of Wagner and their timing may not have been predicted. In other words, Prigozhin was expected to act out in protest of Wagner essentially being dissolved in order to legally use its resources to wage combat outside of an SMO, but no one in the Russian chain of command knew exactly what he had planned. Or it was a psyop. Get the old boy out of the way, or entrap fifth column collaborators, I have no idea. That he was being let off with exile tells me there is much more to this, but what that is will have to wait, possibly forever.
Yes, very strange. One has to think that this might have been staged. Maybe it will be the pretext for something awful.
Wait a minute…maybe this is more the truth?
https://twitter.com/Alex_Oloyede2/status/1672738532991938561
https://twitter.com/Regnar__/status/16727705560458035
Son of a bitch. We’ve all been trolled!
This is only a test. If it had been real life you would have been told where to go and what to do.
LOL
more on this
https://sonar21.com/russias-academy-award-winning-performance-for-best-coup-prigozhin-scores-best-actor/
Just a cranky contractor acting out. Over almost before it began!. Another one of histories hero traitors…
Funny, in a previous article, there was a ton of Ukrainian trolls when they heard insurrection.
Now? Crickets…
Ukrainian trolls? I haven’t met one yet. Even Ukrainian sites are infested with Pentagon/CIA trolls and that English troll battalion. They even have a number …
Have you forgotten our buddy Donny?
Donny might not be the best troll but he’s trying his best.
I’ve blocked few trolls here from the get go. “Buddy Donny” must be one of them. Mike blocked me but his silly posts kept showing and I blocked him as well. Now it’s all Zen here for me.
None of them are Ukrainian. Dumbass Pentagon troll most likely since even 5-eyes trolls are a little smarter. Not by much though…
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You are alive!
I hope you were having fun at that camp meeting or where ever you were annoying your family.
I am just glad that it does not seem to be leading towards any kind of escalation.
The SMO will move on its merry way. US/NATO/Ukraine has promised a big offensive coming up soon. That is likely to still happen.
This event seems to be internal Russian politics. It had the possibility of spiraling out of control. But it did not
Somehow I get the impression that you think yesterday was a good day for Putin? LOL, keep on being you, smart guy. Keep ignoring all those dead pilots Prigo and friends were responsible for, the emergency meeting between China and Russia, and the undeniable impression that weak Putin had to bargain with his buddy to get him to stand down.
All Western MSM lies, I’m sure.
Lyubov’ – eto pole boya
(Love Is A Battlefield)
First you assume he meant something he didn’t say and then you expound on something you assumed he said but didn’t.
Im pretty sure Colin hit the nail on the head on that one.
Not regarding the comment he replied to.
So am I sure of all those Western MSM lies, if you are.
Same as during the alleged insurrection you guys were quite. Funny.
Am I the only one wondering if this won’t be the last time a private military contractor goes rouge, perhaps even a US created one someday?
Corporate Armies might have some interesting side effects indeed, maybe not all bad either, that’s if they feel they can just up and leave the war zone when they aren’t being treated fairly…
Something to think about, isn’t it?
It’s generally assumed that private armies are entirely a bad thing with no real possible upsides, but just because something seems intuitively to be true, doesn’t mean it is. Just because something is bad for the government, that took it’s people to war, certainly doesn’t make it bad for the country, not in and of itself. It could be bad for the government and great for the country.
Could a war be ended early someday because private armies said screw it? Why not? It’s more likely than if they are not private isn’t it? Being in the military is closer to slavery than being a contractor, so it might naturally follow that unpopular wars would be harder to fight with private contractors than with standard military leadership, which have the power to lock you up for going awol. What if you want to leave Wagner, I’m sure they can sue you, but they can’t lock you up for just taking off, not that I’m aware of. Same thing for our contractors, you might have to pay them something for breaking the contractor but you aren’t gong to the brig if you say screw it, I’m going home.
It is normal for the oligarchy state to have private armies. For example, the private army of British East India Company was bigger than the royal British army. It is not dangerous for the state if the private army is serving abroad, particular if the state itself is oligarchy. I think, it was a mistake to use Wagner in the war in Ukraine. It would be better, if they allowed Wagner militaries to join Russian army individually as volunteers. When a fifty thousand strong professional military unit is refusing to subordinate to the political leadership of the country, it is a very bad story.
This is beyond ridiculous. This was a classic case of one of Wagner owners, Prigozhin, acting like a fotbal club owner turned coach and dismissing anyone contradicting him, The REAL military commanders in Wagner were overridden, shouted at.
He acted as a general in Bakhmut operations, and made it difficult for Rusdia’s artillery commanders wnd close support to follow his erratic decision making. Some Wagner commanders walned out on him. Dealing with him was deferred until Bakhmut was over. But the swollen head did not get it. His shortcomings were overlooked and his mouth tolerated until Bakhmut was over. Once he realized that he was going to be thrown under the bus by Wagner owners, as Russian leadership had no reason to put up with nonsense any longer — he went ballistic. He may have planned to march but there are clearly no followers. He stirred up chaos, and as Western media and politicians seized upon it — officially Rusdia had to acknowledge the circus in the making. There was always the danger of foreign infiltration. Bu he really was nit backed up, and Rusdia needed to ekegantly mive him out of the way.
Be caused damage to Wagner mire than to Russia, as embarrasing as it was, They have long lust of clients globally. With him out of the way — Wagner owners and management can start damage control. Competent commanders will come back. Rank and file disturbed by this is given option to join regulars.
Nobody wanted to disband Wagner, except confidence in his leadership was withdrawn, He did not understand that it was not subject to discussion, and went for maximum publuc embassassment. Eve those who supported him — saw what kind of damage such “generals” can cause.
Why did he surrender?
OK so I guess the notsee Wagnerites can now go back and fight the notsee Azovists. What a world. It’s too bad both sides can’t lose, though they might.
All we know for sure is that our MSM and much of the limited-hangout alternative media is going wild over this obvious distraction. A coup that was over within hours has been politicized way out of proportion to whatever the facts on the ground are. Whether this was all for show or not has yet to be determined but that hasn’t stopped pundits of all stripes from over-the-top idle speculation. Hopefully, this will all disappear in the next news cycle.
So you think what happened yesterday was a positive development? Please elaborate.
No, I think what happened yesterday will ultimately have no bearing on anything.
I think it will replace Ukraine’s failed “counteroffensive” as the NATO “progress” needed to “justify” ever more military support, at the upcoming Vilnius meeting. It will be used to rally support against Russia. That political use was the real reason for the timing of the offensive, and this now covers for that failure.
Prigozhin almost hung himself on the clothesline while airing the dirty laundry.
These guys were better armed and better orginized than the Jan 6 mob. In any case there is a loss of Russian combat power in Ukraine, because of the loss of Wagner plus the loss of Russian forces called up to deal with Wagner
It appears Victoria knew 2 days before it happened.
One must wonder if that clown was communicating with Ukraine and shared Russian troop positions to them as was reported about a month ago?
He has not been heard from since this happened so one must wonder if he’s going to make it to Belarus or if an unfortunate accident involving an umbrella/poison will occur.
Will this give Putin an excuse that he “needs” to end this soon?
Is it time to bring out the bombers and start leveling Kiev until they agree to a ceasefire?
Perhaps the Chechnya troops will now be brought in?
Different ethnic troops have been used by Russia when they really want a brutal war and those troops do have the reputations for it.
They are not former convicts….
“It appears Victoria knew 2 days before it happened.”
Are you referring to Victoria “f-ck the EU” Nuland? Straussian neocons like her make war by way of deception so anything is possible.
Yes that’s who.
One must wonder if this was a operation by the Brits with Vicky and her coherts. Fox reports we knew on Wednesday so that means we were up to something behind the scences.
I say the Brits because there has been quite a bit of reporting their MI6 is “able” to do things that are beyond what we do (beyond this war as well; we farm stuff out to them to do what we “can’t” do).
Now we will hear how a western security force run coup attempt means Putin is hanging on by a thread and how Ukraine has a opportunity to win now (that we tried a coup).
We’ll know when the national emergency broadcast system is activated and people can’t withdraw money from their banks or get gas or federal Social Security checks… That would be a neocon wet-dream.
I doubt this is anything more than Eastern European politics with western meddling.
Heck it even could have been a means to conscript his troops into the regular army as it appears the reporting shares today (yesterday the “experts” were saying that would not happen)
All I know in a couple of weeks we will here more about MI6 and our spook’s involvement and a likely untimely death involving a very mouthy ex-con who just moved to a resort in Belarus.
ZaSu, the only thing you will be hearing are the same voices in your head that continually speak to you.
I urge you to resist them.
Tell me, Colin, is ad hominem your middle name?
Colin, why don’t you have a contest with yourself and see how quiet you can be?
LOL, you think yesterday’s events have made Putin stronger. Oh, ZaSu…please never change.
Whether they’ve made him stronger depends on what he wanted to accomplish before yesterday, and what he wants to accomplish now.
If he wants to get out of the Ukraine fiasco, he just received a huge gift. He can blame it all on military incompetence — as demonstrated by the mutiny being negotiated away by Lukashenko even as its troops took one city and set up housekeeping in multiple oblasts, rather than being instantly, efficiently, and ruthlessly suppressed by the armed forces before the Wagner forces could even get their show on the road — then announce that that incompetence has also made further gains outside Luhansk/Donetsk impossible, begin the withdrawal, and put Shoigu et al.’s heads on pikes in Red Square. And he’d likely do so to wild popular acclaim.
If he doesn’t want to bring the debacle to an end, he can make a big show of “unleashing” the armed forces that couldn’t even effectively stop a small mercenary convoy from threatening Moscow itself, and six months from now he’ll still be right where he was last Friday, if not even worse off.
Did anyone ever tell you that you have a very vivid imagination? You waste your talent here. You could write news stories for such prestigious news organization like CNN
And you could write fairy tales for children.
Oh, wait, you already do. You’ve just misjudged your audience’s age, that’s all.
Come on people.
He was never a “threat to Moscow itself”.
Moscow disagreed with your assessment.
So how’s that war going Colonoscopy?
Has Ukraine hit the 40% casualty rate yet? I hear it started at 30% but that was early and it is rising rapidly.
They’ve lost around a third of their tanks so far so that has to hurt.
Did you hear Prigozhin’s number of Russian casualties that have gone unreported by the Kremlin?
Those can’t be true. Im sure he got that wrong too.
Are you refering to the aircraft he shotdiwn?
Iknow math might be hard for you but take the number shit diwn (they have shared that number) and find out the size of crews and figure out yourself Donny.
It won’t broach a hundred but if it is that important to you, it’s easily determined Donny.
It amazing what idioocy you get excited over but a failed coup over how brutal the war is isn’t something you want a coup succeeding over Donny.
Putin gets replaced by this nutter and Ukraine will get brutalized worse and lose even more territory. You should be thankful he
“Knew?” I am sure she paid for it.
These are mercenaries, and particularly nasty ones according to our own propaganda. So, as since Machiavelli’s time, the other side gave them money to betray someone.
Oh Nuland, the master Jedi who controls all governments.
Now for sure Putin and the tik tok Chechens will finish Ukraine and make them surrender.
Sounds like you’ve heard how it’s going to end for your country…lol.
Like they say, war is hell and power corrupts. All of us have been living in hell for to long and it is driving a lot of us nuts. We should wake up to the fact that because the US is openly trying to destroy Russia there is only one option, the Us back off or we are all headed for hell.
I doubt that we’re all headed for Hell, Bill.
Just The West, economically speaking . . . Check –
https://les7eb.substack.com/p/washingtons-ukraina-grandioznaya
Washington’s Ukraina Grandioznaya Skhema.
The Graveyard of This Empire.
The Hell is this Neocon project for
“Full Spectrum Dominance” which REQUIRES Russia and China to be pacified so the Neocons can dominate the entire world. What could possibly go wrong????? Every person on the and every country are anxiously awaiting the chance to be dominated by the.this group of U.S. usurpers & their “Chosen People.” Only problem is that they prefer YOU AND EYE TO PAY FOR PACIFYING AND DO THE DYING that is and will be necessary in the future.
With my limited ability to get MSN, I get NPR too much. They seem to fixateg on the big loss of prestige that Putin has suffered from the mutiny of Pregozhin. I see it as nothing compared to the Saudi planes flying into the buildings on that day in September. Did Bush gain or lose any power in that event?? i think he did not lose much from that event, but used it to steam roll any doubters who may have questioned the veracity of the event.
This is a pretty remarkable 15 minutes of video:
Two days of excitement, now back to our regularly scheduled programming.
pro Russian sites: lots of chatter about it, and lots of theories about what happened and what is going on.
pro Ukrainian sites: the quick resolution here along with Ukraine’s dramatic gains of 1 km of land and a landing force across the Dneiper seem to have reduced anti-Russian hatred by quite a bit. Spring is over and the Crimea is still in Russian hands.
So the “Russian Civil War” was a lot of wishful thinking and border line lies. Stories about how weak the Russian military is have been shown to be complete lies.
When Bush lied about the Iraq war, his popularity and the popularity of the Iraq war shot up to over 90% for a while before starting a slow gradual decline. This feels like the start of the decline of the popularity in the US for this one
Yes, but you were very stressed i bet. Now you can relax and continue hoping for a ukraine failed offensive.
Your insults without other response tells me you basically agree with the content of what I wrote.
Like a lot of Americans, you seem stressed that the potential Russian civil war never happened. Worst of all for you, it seems that a civil war was never a realistic possibility.
You get duped by the US MSM, you find out it is as true as the lies about Iraqi Yellowcake of the early 2000s, you come here to express anger.
Much like the coup in Venezuela, there was a coup and no one showed up.
Hoping for what? The Ukraine offensive HAS failed. That is why Nuland is pushing the panic button, they need Biden’s Putin regime change, her expertise. They know how to do it, don’t they?
Too bad, no one really showed up for it, not even Prigozhin.
Prigozhin disappointed everyone on both sides.
Yes he did, but he is human, I think his big ego got in the way. Of course I can only speculate on what makes him tick. I speculate , but the CIA may well have a psychological profile on him, he has lots of money and a big ego, who knows.
Yes, he has both money and big ego, that’s true. Also he has political ambitions. Now he is nobody, just the same as Navalny.
Looks like Biden is the loser.
Maybe not. He may have given Putin the public opinion coverage he needs to sack Shoigu and Gerasimov, blame them for the Ukraine fiasco, and start getting out from under it.
What Ukraine fiasco? Everything go well.
Putin has enough authority to sack Shoigu and Gerasimov if he decides someone can do this job better. Shoigu and Gerasimov did a great job in the last ten yeas. Russian army is much better now than it was in time of Serdyukov. Serdyukov was a real disaster.
I was referring to the real world, not to your “if we keep pretending it’s not a fiasco, things will turn around for sure, someday” fever dream.
Yes, Putin has authority to sack Shoigu and Gerasimov. But firing them doesn’t do him much good unless he can use their firing to get out of the fiasco and deflect blame for the fiasco away from himself and onto them. Because someone is going to have to take the blame for losing two of the four new annexed oblasts and outing Russia as a second-rate military power. And he’d rather it was them than him.
Your “real world” doesn’t coincide with the reality. You may repeat many times the word “fiasco”, it will change nothing. The same as repeating many times the word halva doesn’t make one feel sweet inside one’s mouth.
So true, but Putin appears his usual self, he avoided to make Prigozhin his enemy. MHO the Russians handled it well, another bump in the road. Maybe Prigozhin needs a real vacation, battle fatigue.
Look where Belarus is. I believe that this cause a lull on the part of the Kiev war machine, and the U.S. If the Wagner Group is in Belarus, it would appear that the Wagner Group has flanked Kiev. In my estimation, the West took the bait.
What bait? That Russia attacked Wagner and Wagner shot down 5 Russian aircraft?
Yeah, great staged plan for a suicide attack on Kyiv from Belarus.
Well that is like the Russians sabotaged the pipelines and the NPP and the dam and the Ukrainian POW,s.
Don, that kind of nonsense is getting old.
Biden wants to look good for the election and since he has nothing to show, you people try to make it up. At least make it a plausible lie. This coup attempt failed and did not do the trick.
The world knows that Biden wants regime change, Putin must go, he is a killer, Biden said so loud and clear, he said so in the case of the pipelines, “we know how to do it” Remember, he said it when Scholz, the Zelensky twin, was in Washington.
I said it on the day and ill say it again, this was not a coup it was a contract dispute. The Wagner 670km drive to Moscow was a protest, hence no military action was undertaken.
However Britain GCHQ used the event to attempt a coup in Moscow using sleeper cells, the same way the US used the Maidan to overthrow the legal Rada in Ukraine and put Nazi’s in power.
Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said Poland is ‘closely monitoring’ the actions of Russia’s Wagner mercenary group. He add that the Polish military had strengthened the defensive lines on the country’s eastern borders with Belarus and more than 230 kilometers of the border with Russia’s Kaliningrad Oblast in the northeast.
As far as i am aware it was only Prigozhin that was exiled to Belarussia. So what the hell is Mateusz Morawiecki talking about?
And they had to pay the sleeper cell people to cause the bloody riot on the MAIDAN. Biden/Nuland can be proud of that.
This is a total humiliation for US/NATO. Months of planning, billions spent, massive training and equipping campaigns and in 3 weeks its over with a massive defeat to Ukraine? NATO couldn’t get past the first line of defense.
US/NATO overall has accumulated the following equipment losses;
444 Aircraft, 240 helicopters, 4779 UAV’s, 426 Anti Aircraft systems, 10348 tanks inc. APC’s, 1131 multiple rocket launchers, 5228 rocket launchers and 11179 military automotive equipment.
At the May 9th Victory Day Parade Vladimir Putin has included the De-occupation of Ukraine as an objective of the SMO. The SMO now will achieve De-Nazification, Demilitarisation and De-Occupation of Ukraine.
The NATO summit in Vilnius will be very interesting. They are literal parasites eating their host countries.
PMC’s founder Evgeny Prigozhin has become the Colonel Walter Kurtz, portrayed by Marlon Brando, a fictional character and the main antagonist of Francis Ford Coppola’s 1979 film Apocalypse Now.
Prigozhin was triggered by PMC Wagner being rolled into the Russian military establishment sidelining Pregozhin. His misguided and misjudged actions have lead to his exile in Belarus.
The criminal case against Wagner Private Military Company (PMC) founder Evgeny Prigozhin will be dropped and he will leave Russia, the Kremlin announced on Saturday evening.
Spokesman Dmitry Peskov revealed that Prigozhin, a Saint Petersburg tycoon who made his initial fortune in catering, “will go to Belarus.” in exile!
Russia’s “Civil War” Evaporates as Ukraine’s Offensive Enters Week 4
Update on the conflict in Ukraine for June 25, 2023:
– Ukraine’s offensive enters its 4th week with the line of contact relatively unchanged and having suffered immense losses;
– Western governments and commentators have been increasingly calling for more “wonder weapons” and even Western military intervention as prospects dim for Ukraine;
– The Wagner mutiny in Rostov, southern Russia was an ill-conceived gamble by Wagner’s figurehead Yevgeny Prigozhin;
– The crisis resolved itself within 24 hours with Prigozhin’s exile to Belarus and Wagner forces being fully integrated into the Russian military;
– Ukrainian pilot trained in the US for two years dies on his first mission in a MiG-29.
– Ukraine’s offensive potential persists, however, amid a war of attrition, territorial gains at the cost of men and machines brings Ukraine closer to defeat, not victory;
Biden wants regime change, again it did not work out.
I would not be surprised to find out the state department and Nuland are involved. Prigozhin must have a big ego, they thought they could use him to replace Navalny. But in Venezuela no one showed up for the civil war, neither the military nor the people and Guaido bombed out. Cuba and Nicaragua failed too. It did not really work as expected in Ukraine, the civil war started after the regime change against the coup.
Nuland and the neocons never learn, it is time they pay the price not the young Ukrainian teens and old men.
CIA plot fell apart…!
Julio is in mourning after reading this article.
If Wagner group is not loyal to Russian people. They are loyal to the highest bidder. And the trillions we send to finance this “war” means we can pay Wagner more $ to stand back. Putin needs to take control of these un official squads. Because the CIA and Mossad are so evil in their ways to infiltrate the highest ranks.
Aldexander Vindman on MSNBC: “the closest analogy of what happened was the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917”. Unbelievable crap. Unbelievable. For openers, that was a Marxist political and social rebellion supported by armed men, some but not all soldiers of the Czarist army. And they won. Prigozhin lost.
Perhaps 1905 is closer but the Russian navy does not seem to be sunk today.
I am not saying this guy is right. But he is just one of numerous sources that I get my information in this area from. I believe nothing I am told unless it is factually proven.
But if you are getting the majority of your information from ANY MSM source(s)? Western/Eastern/Russian/EU/American…ALL of them.
Than you have NO IDEA what is really going on.
You have to do research, check a bunch of sources and basically ignore everything the MSM says. Outside of simple facts/data that they can prove from unbiased sources. Which is rare from them.
But most of you knuckleheads just watch the MSM source that tells you what you want to hear. And just blindly believe it.
No wonder so many of you (and the great majority of masses in general) are so STAGGERINGLY ignorant about the world.
You are gullible and/or ridiculously lazy about where you get your information.
Throw in the fact that most people on chat forums have the laughable combination of being both ignorant AND arrogant?
And no wonder most of you people seem to spew forth, utter nonsense.