The US and UK are eyeing the complete defeat of Russia in Ukraine. Breaking with other NATO members that prefer a negotiated settlement, an American official stated the war ends with the "defeat" of Russia and a high-level British official said Russian President Vladimir Putin "must lose."
Speaking to an Italian outlet, UK Foreign Minister Liz Truss said Russia must be defeated in Ukraine, and there were no exit ramps for Putin. "Putin must lose in Ukraine, and we must see its sovereignty and territorial integrity restored." She added, "working with all of Europe to help the Ukrainians prevail.
The comments by Truss were in response to French President Emmanual Macron suggesting the West could end the war by making compromises with Moscow. "We will have to do this with Ukraine and Russia around the table. The end of the discussion and the negotiation will be set by Ukraine and Russia. But it will not be done in denial, nor in exclusion of each other, nor even in humiliation," Macron said.
Along with Paris, Germany and Italy are pushing for a diplomatic over a military resolution. However, the White House appears in line with Downing Street. On Friday, US Ambassador to NATO, Julieanne Smith, called for the defeat of Russia. "We want to see a strategic defeat for Russia. We want Russia to leave Ukraine, we want Russia to stop the violence, stop these indiscriminate brutal attacks on civilians," Smith said.
Since the start of the invasion, Washington has been committed to the militaristic path in Ukraine. While Secretary of State Antony Blinken has not spoken with his Russian counterpart in over three months, the US has approved over $30 billion in weapons transfers to Kiev.
Kyle Anzalone is the opinion editor of Antiwar.com, news editor of the Libertarian Institute, and co-host of Conflicts of Interest.
US Ultimate Goal Revealed: another revolution in Russia. What could go wrong? Hmmm, military assuming the helm? ultra-nationalists? old Soviet-boosters? Even to a layperson, such as myself, this is stupid…but worse than stupid. Flagrant self-interest on part of elected politicians paid off by arms dealers, others; embedded military-industrial state, media cravenly attempting to be part of state machinery…oh, the cycle just goes on.
It dumbfounds the mind…
No that is dementia Joe Biden!
“Russia Sets Conditions to Ease Black Sea Blockade” tragically is related to this. Every train shipment going to export Ukrainian foodstuff on the tracks occupies track space for an inbound train with weapons. Now, that 39.8 Billion of mainly weapons aid is incoming & Mariupol rhetoric of a ‘Stalingrad’ type fight has been proven exaggeration, priorities have shifted. War turns everything to crap.
All that had to happen to avoid the mess was to negotiate the proposals Russia extended last November and December. I do not know who hollow minded Biden is listening to, but it is not a voice of reason.
Let’s go Brand and obama.
We all know that Biden is obama’s puppet.
I heard that he is a sock puppet….
A sock puppet has a higher IQ.
“Also, it was me that got Ukraine the very effective anti-tank busters (Javelins) when the previous Administration was sending blankets. Let History so note!” Trump bragged.”
Or maybe he’s Trump’s puppet.
Past history will not get you any points. Trump derangement syndrome does not solve the current headless government in America marching us to world war 3.
Just pointing out Biden is doing something that Trump himself took credit for doing. Wasn’t looking for points. This was about Obama’s massive influence you keep referring to. Biden should have sent blankets as Trump pointed out they did before he, Trump, took office.
On spot – thumbs up.
Obummer must also be the puppet master for most of the Republicans.
I see nothing less than Satan’s hand in all of these works
Victoria Nuland seems to be that voice……..
When I see her voice in print – a good batch of chocolate chip cookies come to mind.
You completely overlooked – this is all intentional except for the sanctions backfiring.
Biden is already on to a new diversion. He has promised the government of Taiwan that we will defend Taiwan should the Chinese attack it. On which constitutional authority is that promise based? That does not exist without approval by the US Senate. Biden merely prolongs the line of US emperors named presidents.
I doubt those proposals are available now.
That was blown off. It is gone.
Ukraine will never recover what it could have had.
Excelt that I do not understand the reason for the abstract nature of this debate.
Apparently, what Rusdia is asked for is to allow Ukrainian wheat exports to fo THROUGH RUSSIAN TERRITORY TO RUSSIAN PORTS IN AZOV SEA. There is no Ukrainian port that is blickaded by Russia, as Ukraine blickaded its ports the frst day of war — by forcing foreign ships to temain in ports and by mining access to ports.
Any of this not true?
You are absolutely correct but the Washington morons can’t admit it, of course. Rooskies are eeeevil, yeah?
That is what I understand.
The ports being suggested are not in the Azov, they’re further east on The Black Sea, like Novorosslysk.
When Stalingrad was surrounded the Germans did not surrender immediately to tie down large Soviet forces. The same happened with Mariupol.
That’s the story Ukraine wants everyone to believe, but it seems ludicrous. One regiment, with no vehicles, hiding in underground tunnels plus a few hundred human shields (that’s what the civilians actually were; a hedge against the Russians bombing the steel works too severely) isn’t going to tie down much of anything. The Russians watched the exits and simply waited them out; once the civilians were evacuated (and the Russians did that, NOT the Azov Regiment) the game was up; very few of the Azovites were actually wounded; they just surrendered.
I wasn’t there, and neither (of course!) was any of the western press, or western “military analysts” bloviating all over the internet and TV; but this was not “large scale” combat involving “major offensive formations”. The numbers simply do not support that kind of rhetoric.
The Russians were motivated to kill those Nazis of the Azov group. They put in more effort to do that than would otherwise have been needed.
Zelinsky seems to know that, now that he is begging for their lives.
I think the whole Mariupol story has been badly misinterpreted by the media. Mariupol is an ethnic Russian city; they seceded, along with Donetsk and Luhansk, and were brutally retaken by the Ukrainians, spearheaded by the Azovites; the Azovites remained in Mariupol, not to “defend” it, but to occupy and pacify it, and were still there when the Russians attacked. They withdrew, into the tunnels, taking hundreds of civilians with them, to act as human shields, under the assumption that the Russians wouldn’t destroy the whole works if civilians were known to be there; and they refused every offer to allow the civilians safe passage, until recently. Much of the damage in Mariupol has been caused by the 8 prior years of civil war, not in the last three months. Zelinsky can beg all he wants, but after his show “war crimes” trial, my bet is that the Russians are going to put on a “war crimes” trial of their own, accusing the Azovites of genocide against ethnic Russians.
“Mariupol is a partially ethnic Ukrainian (48.7%), partially ethnic Russian (44.4%), partially ethnic Greek (4.3%), etc. city”
Fixed, no charge.
NOW it is, after the Azovites had eight years to “make adjustments”. There’s no question Mariupol went along with the secessionists in Donbas in 2014; they were FORCIBLY “liberated” by the Ukrainians, with heavy casualties. Let’s see what the ethnic makeup looks like 8 years from now, after the Russians make THEIR “adjustments.
And save your snarkiness for your twitter account, you are far too old to be acting that childish
NOW it is whatever it is now. The figures I quoted were pre-2014.
Yet they still seceded, until beaten into submission by the neo-nazi azov organization. Not very “Ukrainian” of them, was it?
Yes. NATO wants to get weapons to the front. But I think your logic is flawed. Every train that goes west must return to be reloaded. It works to NATO’s advantage to see those trains return filled with wheat.
The problem with trains is one of numbers.
Ships carry 20 times the biggest train load. Trains just can’t do it.
Even if they could, the rail cars and terminals for such massive bulk shipments don’t exist — because they were never needed.
I don’t know, it seems to me a Revolution with Nukes could be interesting…
The first 30 minutes you and most will be crying for they mammas.
Liz Truss – yeah now there’s a real expert in foreign affairs…
Did the war party in London and Washington just officially list as the goal of their war – unconditional surrender of the Allies (RF, DPR, LPR) ?
reflect on the horrifying meaning of unconditional surrender in this context.
No, Russia just has to f off back to Russia.
Where should the people of the DPR and LPR go ?
Well if they don’t want to live in Ukraine they can move to Russia.
So you want ethnic cleansing of minorities
Nope, they are welcome to stay and participate in Ukrainian society if they chose, they are also welcome to leave if they chose. Seems a lot of Russian speaking Ukrainians are fighting the invaders, who in turn are leveling the cities of the people they purport to be protecting.
Right now there appear to be more people born in Ukraine fighting against the Kiev regime than fighting for the Kiev regime
LPR has roughly 50,000 ground forces
DPR has roughly 60.000 ground forces
No zero civil rights for minorities is your ideal
On the unconditional surrender please Include: Iran, Syria, Somalia, North Korea, Yemen and China
Well they have to ride it. They just bet $40 billion on…Ukraine…to beat….Russia. I wish I was sitting across the table playing a friendly game of poker with these folk.
GStorm:
Thanks for making me laugh!
40 billion is a huge chunk of money. The Russian defense budget is only 70 billion a year.
True, but the amount that will actually go to help Ukraine (whether military or civilian) is going to be far, far less. A huge chunk will go to price gouging by the US military contractors, charging 10-20x what their crap (mostly old stuff sitting in warehouses since the cold war) is actually worth; another huge piece will by siphoned off by Zelensky and his henchmen, going into their foreign bank accounts; then some of it will be diverted by the Poles, as their price for serving as the conduit through which this stuff passes, then another piece will be diverted into the black market, including foreign weapon sales by Ukrainian brokers; and lastly, a good bit of what’s left will be destroyed in transit by the Russians. I pity the poor Ukrainians and Russians conscripted into fighting for this clu$terf@ck. We’ve already admitted we have “no clue” what happens to aid once we turn it over; that’s not quite true, we have a pretty good idea but lack the courage to admit it.
With cheaters?
The once colonial power UK is desperately trying to remain relevant so they have attached themselves to a suspect regime in Washington.
The regime with a puppet head Joe Biden, which is in reality controlled by obama, is running amuck. There is no of ramp for Russia since obama hates traditional America and Slavic Russia equally.
Man, if we only could get rid of this Obama guy. All problems solved. Thankfully Trump didn’t let him run the country during his 4 years. We might still have the JCPOA. There probably wouldn’t be any Abraham Accords because Trump put Obama to shame in the a$$ kissing of Israel department. Maybe Trump would have even kept Obama’s rules of engagement and a whole lot of people would still be living today. Amazingly Obama hasn’t been able to sway Biden away from any of those things. Such influence.
Russia was willing to trade for its energy. But that just wasn’t good enough. Was it?
Our country is run by complete maniacs.
Nope, there support to Ukraine is limited they aren’t getting our best stuff. We aren’t enforcing a no-fly zone our support is carefully calibrated.
France, Germany, Italy … are they getting the picture now? Are they realizing who their security partners really are? Maniacs who will literally do anything for $ and empire?
No, they’re a wholly owned, totally subservient subsidiary of USA Megacorp Inc., Arms-R-Us.
There is an upside Pasha… Arms-R-Us is a division of
Toys-R- Us, which makes shopping very user friendly!
I wonder what a Leggo howitzer looks like –
The Leggo version of a Howitzer come pre-busted up in a jar with looks like a Russian poem affixed as a label.
They will this coming winter.
America and the UK care nothing for France and Germany.
Germany and France will survive, but the arrogant UK will be a smoking hole in the North Sea
Please add Finland.
So much for diplom-ass-y…
US and UK Split With France and Claim There Is No Exit Ramp for US and UK
This is whistling past the graveyard. US has been dumb to absorb old British obsession with Russia. Waning empire has leached onto a young a vibrant power, and in a short order all the ills of British empure infected US. Thise were the ills of desiring global domination and finacialization of economy. President Wilson changed the course of US politics by introducing an ideoligical component to US foreign policy – making world safe for democracy. And the establishmen of Federal Reserves created the foundation for the lenghty process of financial expropriation of future american wealth. British empire was already in debt many times its GDP.
It started early in the years alproaching WWI. British Empire had alm the aces in their sleeve once Queen Victoria’s grandson came to power in newly unuted
Germany. It was in British interest to keep Germany from becoming a strong continental power
Theefore, the first act of the new ruler was to sack Bismarck and diminish influence of Prussia.
British operatives in Germany schemed to overturn Russian monarchy and Ottoman empire. The first well planned colored revolutions were hatched there.
WWI did not go to plan. Prussia fought and there was nothing Keiser could do. American entry into the war changed the dynamics. America joined Trotsky’s project and Russia was in civil war that eventually Trotsky won.
British and French profited from the dismantlng of Ottoman empire, but it was not enough to save British empire finances. Versailles tried to squueze bloid out of turnip by attempting to make Germany pay up its enormous debts.
British Russophobia is in fact the byproduct of European financial elites taking over British finances. British instincts to trade were pushed back into the background by financial elite frustration of being unable to penetrate Russian finances as Romanivs believed in gold. Financial elite needs constsnt expansion of financial base — as it is essentially always a Ponzi scheme, Betting on future wealth. Eventually formula becomes untennable unless a fresh, nit yet tapped source of financialization is found,
As American future wealth has been mortgaged to the hilt, there are still many gold mines to exploit. There is still Russia, China, India. And few other laggards, like Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, South Africa, Indonesia.
The strident American and British voices that precldict the demise of Russia is just a osychological game to shake Chinese and Indian confidence in Russia. Currently globe is betting on Russia. Thus, something bold must be said. But only by the two who cannot afford the global bankruptcy of their debt-ridden system.
The stakes are too high for all sides.
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The US instigated this war by refusing to do diplomacy to negotiate a settlement of Russia’s legitimate concerns. This is therefore just more of the same.
The US will pay the price, as the rest of the world gradually objects to Biden’s War. They already see it, and whisper it, but it will get much louder.
The Russians started this war, by invading the Ukraine.
And absolutely nothing provoked them. Absolutely nothing.
Wife beater defense, “she made me do it”. Not acceptable
So is trying to paint the wife as someone who should be pitied. The wife was having an affair with a thug and that thug was using her to provoke the husband. Even as the husband continued to beat her, she still let the thug use her and even put all the kids in mortal danger while doing so.
The war has been going on for 8 years, with most of the violence before February being perpetrated by the Ukrainian government against the separatists. IF Ukraine wanted to avoid war, THEN the last 8 years should have been about negotiation, not shelling civilians and racking up some 14,000 dead. I don’t support Russia’s invasion; but neither do I have any sympathy for the collection of Oligarchs, neo-nazis, kleptocrats, authoritarians and criminals that form the “Ukrainian government”. They wanted this war, largely because they assumed (correctly, it turns out) that we would be stupid enough to support them. Shame on us.
Zionism has been around much longer than 8 years.
This is all about the Yinon plan and greater Isreal!!!
This is not a Biden war, both parties are supporting it. Look at the fight of the Republicans – much of it is for “show.”
As I like to say, “That ain’t gonna happen.” There is no exit ramp for the US and NATO, at least economically. Shot themselves in the head because of their aggression and now they get to pay the price for hassling the bear.
That sounds like a very fair assessment Richard…
And very scholarly stated Donna 🙂
They screwed themselves in the @$$ with their own sanctions.
The Bear has not fully awoken yet. I would not want to be on planet Earth when that happens.
to the last Ukrainian
Indeed, but they seem more than willing. The British seem to phrase it best, in that we will support Ukraine so that they can get what they feel is the best possible outcome. Which clearly does not shut out negotiation.
They?
There’s been an ongoing civil war for over seven years.
Oversimplification again?
They should just a come out and say it: “Lives and property mean nothing in service to the Victory of the American Empire, glory to the Empire” smh
The goal is to bring back the carpetbagger Western corporate looting of Russia, as was done in the 1990’s, before Putin. This was going on in Ukraine before February.
After UK exit from EU France thinks they are the boss of Europe. Does Macron now have the balls to take the lead and exit NATO, and side with Russia…?!
The French just surrender instinctually. Some Italian was asking a Ukrainian about what they would be willing to give up for peace with the Russians, the reply was Lake Como.
Aww, and you’re a bit of a bigot too.
No wonder you favor oversimplification in your comments.
Of course there is an exit ramp, put your tanks in R and back over the Kerch strait bridge. Done and dusted. Now you don’t want to do that? OK we let the cannons do the talking fro a while.
That would be considered a defeat.
The “exit ramp” metaphor is being used here to represent a negotiated way out that doesn’t destroy Putin.
Also how does your solution resolve Crimea?
Oversimplification is a poor substitute for wit, sport.
Once again not really caring about those Ukrainians dying also. So big of you.
It is understandable that normal humans can be confused and convinced by lies, no matter how outrageous and devoid of evidence as we have observed all through this war or SMO. To see alleged experts, like Truss or the US NATO rep, or BoJo or Sleepy Joe, refusing to accept reality as it bites them every day, continue the same pointless “we win” chorus is heart-breaking.They let a clownish actor/stage-setter drown them in prepared speeches with absolutely no chance of any inkling of truth emerging, while this “President/King”Zelenskyy protects real Nazis and lets hundreds of soldiers die every day to no benefit to “his country” by preventing them from retreating or surrendering. Waiting makes the situation worse every day. Russia will win. Those pretending to “help Ukraine” are destroying it.
** indiscriminate brutal attacks on civilians **
Attacks on civilians? Why? The Russians have their hands full dealing with the AFU. Is that a wise use of scarce resources?
Truss – get a grip
It took a few weeks of sleeping on crates of grenades for a bed and hiding his face from Ukranians amid a growing sense of guilt, for the Russian junior officer to come to his conclusion: This wasn’t his battle to fight.
“We were dirty and tired. People around us were dying. I didn’t want to feel like I was part of it, but I was a part of it,” he then went to find his commander and resigned his commission on the spot.
His story is remarkable, but it could also be one of many, according to opponents of the war in Russia as well as in Ukraine who say they have heard of a lot of cases of soldiers — both professional and conscript — refusing to fight. Russian troops have been struggling with low morale and heavy losses in Ukraine, with some even refusing to carry out their orders.
Unfortunately for Washington and London, unless they’re prepared to throw their own armies against the SMO in Ukraine, Russia is going to win. If they don’t understand that yet they are idiots.
There is an exit ramp for Joe Biden: 2022 democrats lose the House and Senate then in 2024 democrats lose the Executive branch for many years.
I haven’t looked at the House races yet, but so far the Democrats look pretty well set to at least hold their 50 seats (actually 48 plus two fake “independents” who caucus with them) and possibly gain a seat or two.
Just as feared and predicted, we now see the hand of Victoria Nuland, Hillary Clinton & Screwy Joe Biden…… push the levers over to “maximum confrontation.” Out to recover the lost ground of Crimea and make Ukraine whole again to regain hers, and their, diplomatic reputations!!
Just how many people she is willing to see killed, anailated or vaporized is the question some cooler heads may want to ask. Or if there is a good chance of a stalemated nuclear exchange that would lead to the deaths of several hundred million people and the eventual demise of all life on the planet, are those who demand this win still willing to demand this win for themselves? This game of suicidal, genecidal CHICKEN. Time for China to whisper into their ear that they will get what China can contribute too, should this insane plan goes live!!!
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An exit ramp for Putin will be determined in Kyiv, not in Washington or London. Smith is a babbler.
Yes, the former head of MI-6 just said the only end is with Putin dead or in a “sanitarium.”
Regime change.
Two things:
1) The next regime is likely to be worse for the US, not better. It leans right wing, not Yeltsin.
2) Regime change of the other big nuclear power is the route to nuclear war. It always has been.
Yep. When Alexei Navalny was the darling of the west, not many people noticed that he was to the nationalist, not internationalist, side of Putin.
Regime change in any nuclear power is obviously a tense time.
If there’s regime change in Russia, it will be internally decided, not imposed by the US/NATO. And it will be one of those tight-sphincter times all around.