It’s unlikely that the US and its allies will be willing to give Ukraine the legally binding security guarantees it is seeking as an alternative to a NATO membership, CNN reported Friday, citing anonymous sources.
On Tuesday, Ukraine put forward a draft peace deal to Russia. Under the proposal, Ukraine would renounce its plans to join NATO. But the Ukrainians want security guarantees from the US and other Western countries that are similar to NATO’s Article 5, which states that an attack on one alliance member is an attack on all.
The US and its NATO allies have been clear that they don’t want to fight Russia for Ukraine, so it’s unlikely they would agree to what is essentially a mutual defense treaty. More importantly, there’s little chance that Russia would ever go for such an agreement since one of its primary motives for invading was Ukraine’s alignment with NATO.
Sources told CNN that the US and other NATO countries have held talks with Ukraine over the potential security guarantees. One Western official said that “anything short of full commitment to defend Ukraine won’t be enough for the Ukrainians.”
The officials stressed that the discussions on the security guarantees are still in very early stages. Russia has said it will review Ukraine’s proposal and respond soon. Talks between Russian and Ukrainian officials resumed on Friday via video link.
Overall, the US and its allies don’t appear to be very interested in fostering negotiations to reach a diplomatic solution to the war. The Financial Times reported on Thursday that the Western powers are united in their opposition to linking progress in the peace talks to sanctions relief and are prepared for a long-term economic campaign against Russia.
How do they think they will deliver them? As soon as they cross the border they become a Participant in the Operation subject to immediate Attack.
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Ukrainians want security guarantees from the US and other Western
countries that are similar to NATO’s Article 5, which states that an
attack on one alliance member is an attack on all’
What could possibly go wrong? LOL
It doesn’t matter what guarantees western countries would give. Russia wouldn’t accept that deal, anyway. The offer is just one more way for the US to get Ukraine to keep the war going to the last Ukrainian. It is the US that Russia is “negotiating” with, not Ukraine. Ukraine has zero say in the matter.
It is a silly discussion. Whar guarantees? NATO guarsntees?
War is not over. Such guarantees must be begotiated with Russia.
CNN is getting desparate for fresh rhetoric . Tiday, copied Putin. In his speach announcing the war, he called US the empire of lies, and CNN niow calls Rusdia built in an empire of lies.
Ukraine lives next door to Russia. That is a geographical fact, even if the size of Ukraine is different at the end of this operation. Russia does NOT want more land and /or hostile people to deal with, so has avoided civilian casualties and destruction of infrastructure which is not military. (even it the MSM purport to show otherwise!) If only the Ukrainians who have been carefully taught to hate Russians could realign their feelings to accept the obvious reality and at least stop the loss of life for no gain for anyone except the fanatical extremists and the MIC.
Trying to bomb Ukraine back to the stone age won’t make the Russians any more popular. You do realise that, don’t you?
That is NOT what the Russians are doing. They are trying to limit civilian deaths and infrastructure, but the “ukrainians” ‘which ones?) want the conflict to go on, and the West is egging them on with dangerous weapons and Ze’s arming of released prisoners and mercenaries. Russia has managed to co-exist with Ukrainians for a long time, but after the US interference in 2014 and the constant US∕NATO “exercises” and huge influx of trainers and equipment plus making use of the Nazis (who really exist) and instilling more hatred, this is dificult.
I’m sure the Ukrainians are keen to have their country bombed, their women raped and their children made orphans. Because, well, because it makes sense in your twisted mind.
Those are the substance of NATO membership, Article 5 guarantees without formal “membership.”
Security Guarantees or NATO membership it’s all the same. No, Nyet, Nein means negative!
Zelensky is like a 3 year old clown demanding toys and whatever he wants. The adults keep saying NO.
Get It Mr. Zelensky you Retard! You should have made a deal to remain neutral! You could have save thousands of lives!
Zelensky “agrees” to forego Article 5 NATO guarantees in exchange for guarantees from all the most powerful NATO nations, plus Japan, Israel, Turkey, the United Federation of Planets, the Klingons, the Wizard of Oz, Sauron, Gandolf, Buddha, Mohammed, Allah, Jesus Christ, Yahweh, Darth Vader and Obi Wan Kenobi, his Fairy Godmother, the Easter Bunny, and Santa Claus!
The Radical Party of Oleh Lyashko, did admit that members of his party murdered anti-Maidan leaders during the ‘revolution of dignity’ and extrajudicial murders of non-combatants in Torez in 2014.
There were plenty that used their status as a volunteer fighter in Donbass (known as the Anti-Terrorism Operation — ATO) to get elected back in 2014. Practically all of them lost in the 2019 parliamentary elections.
Joe Biden rewarded the murderers and thug Banderites with Power in 2014, some examples of the Donbass ATO unit members who became deputies:
Ex-commander Azov battalion: Andriy Biletsky (ex Verkhovna Rada deputy 2014- 2019), founder of the neo-Nazi Social-National Assembly;
Ex-commander Aidar battalion: Sergei Melnichuk (Ex-Rada deputy 2014-2019);
Ex- company commander, Aidar: Ihor Lapin (Ex- Rada deputy 2014-2019);
Ex- Dnipro Battalion commander: Yuriy Bereza
Ex-Aidar volunteer, helicopter pilot, Nadiya Savchenko — Ex-Rada deputy (2014-2018)
Ex-commander of Donbass battalion: Konstantin Grishin, former Rada deputy, (Self-Help party), alias – Semyon Semenchenko.
You got to give the man some kudos for kicking Putin’s a$$ though. Putin might be really sick or even dying, but still, Zelensky has outsmarted him from day one.
They would have imposed a no fly zone weeks ago and ended the war if Russia didn’t have nukes.
And it’s leader is treated for cancer and Parkinson’s, and those meds have made him totally delirious. Unfortunately no one dares to speak up against him if they want to live…
In essence what we call a really bad situation.
As an antiwar advocate, the most amazing thing is to see more (rather than less) people abandoning their own survival instincts to support war after receiving what they should easily identify as war propaganda. It doesn’t take much brains to realize that war only serves special interest. A special interest that really doesn’t give a rat’s arse about them and can lead us to total destruction from a nuclear Armageddon. In this world, we need more of the likes of Mahatma Gandhi, but all we seem to end up with is more of the likes of John Bolton.
I would like to salute the Russian soldiers that refuses to fight in Ukraine.
They know the war is wrong, one crazy man’s dream, and when they see all the atrocities committed by their own side they just simply lay down their weapons. The power of the regular soldier!
I wish more people would actually read the NATO treaties. Article 5 doesn’t say what people think it says.
As long as America and NATO continue to send an avalanche of weapons to Ukraine Zelensky will never negotiate in good faith.
The sooner Zelensky is gone the sooner the a peaceful settlement can be negotiated.
This is not about Ukraine……..In the Donbass they are fighting for the Russian world which includes the Ukraine. Moscow has been very clear on the stated aims of the Special Operation. Disarm and De-Banderise the country.
Look up who Stepan Bandera is it makes very interesting reading……this is who the US put in power in Ukraine in 2014 after they ran a violent bloody coup from the US embassy. In Ukraine US/NATO is the aggressor, after the coup they attempted to ethnically cleanse Ukraine of ethnic Russians to ensure they hold the balance of power.
Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskyy recently ordered the suspension of 11 political parties with links to Russia. The largest of them is the Opposition Platform for Life, which has 44 out of 450 seats in the country’s parliament. Democracy is a farce, its a rump state used as a proxy to attack Russia.
This war declared on Russia will not end until US/NATO/EU surrenders. Russia is slowly but surely dismantling US/NATO.
My advice is to overthrow the EU, overthrow your corrupt governments who treat you as nothing but slaves. And then take up arms against America, remove the head of the hydra.
“Moscow has been very clear on the stated aims of the Special Operation. Disarm and De-Banderise the country.”
So the question is:
Were those stated aims BS to be negotiated away? Or were those aims real?
If those aims were just there to be negotiated away, they will be.
If they’re not, then Russia will lose the war.
Russia has already won in Ukraine, its Europe that now has the choice to surrender or be disarmed and de-nazified.
The conflict in Ukraine was not opened by Russia on February 24, but by Ukraine a week earlier. The OSCE is a witness to this. It was not Moscow that wanted this war, but Kiev and their US/NATO masters. President Zelensky deliberately put his people in danger and bears sole responsibility for what they are enduring today. Eventually the people of Ukraine will understand this.
Moscow has obviously been planning this operation for years. They have been steadily upgrading and rearming their military for this day. In my opinion what is decided in Ukraine, remember Moscow has already won, will not stop the overall objective of the destruction of the West. Moscow did warn you all, repeatedly.
Moscow has only committed limited resources against Ukraine and are holding back 90% of their forces…..why? Moscow is baiting US/NATO to assist Ukraine?
I believe that Ukraine will be used as a bridgehead against Europe, have you noticed that the main force in the Donbass is being held there? This is 60,000 – 100,000 NATO trained and equipped elite troops. They can’t retreat and they cant be resupplied.
The crimes against humanity of US/NATO/EU in Ukraine are immense and nothing short of the Hague will be required.
Of course the US doesn’t want to endorse anything that might end the current war that Washington promoted. Similar situations are the never-ending war with North Korea and the current unhappiness with ending the Afghanistan war. The US without war is like coffee without cream, or apple pie without cheese, or Biden without cue cards.
Update: I heard through unverified sources that Putin collapsed during a meeting. Apparently his cancer is really bad and the question is if he will even try surgery again…