US Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff has told Arab mediators that the US will not force Israel to end its genocidal war in the Gaza Strip, according to a report from The Times of Israel.
The report, which cited Arab officials, said Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was staunchly refusing to end military operations in Gaza, a position he has made clear in public comments as the Israeli military is preparing a major escalation.
“We in the coming days will be entering with all our strength to complete the process… to subdue Hamas,” Netanyahu said on Tuesday. “It could be that Hamas will say ‘pause, we want to release another 10 hostages.’ Ok, release them. We will receive them and after that enter. But there will not be a situation where we stop the war.”
The Times report also cited a source who was present at a meeting Witkoff held with the family members of Israeli captives held in Gaza last week. The source said that Witkoff largely agreed with the position of Arab mediators that Israel’s plan to escalate will not be effective.
At another meeting with hostage families this week, Witkoff was pressed on why the US didn’t force Israel to stop. “We’re not the Israeli government. We don’t disagree. The Israeli government is a sovereign government. They can’t tell us what to do, and we can’t tell them what to do,” Witkoff said, according to a recording of the meeting obtained by Haaretz.
Israel’s military operations in Gaza are entirely reliant on US military aid, meaning the US has the ability to pressure Netanyahu to end the slaughter and allow humanitarian aid to enter Gaza, which has been under a total Israeli blockade since March 2.
According to the Times report, Witkoff is now proposing a deal for a weeks-long ceasefire that would release a few captives. Hamas’s position is that it’s willing to free all the hostages at once in exchange for a permanent ceasefire.
Witkoff has insisted that during the weeklong truce, the US would ensure Israel entered talks on a lasting deal, but Hamas is unlikely to agree to an agreement without an upfront commitment to a permanent truce. Israel was supposed to enter talks on a permanent ceasefire under the deal that was signed in January, but it refused to do so.
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So at first it was about hostages. Then it was about stopping hamas. Now there's no circumstance under which Israel will stop its genocide in Gaza.
It's almost like every excuse they've given since the beginning was always a lie to justify genocide like we've BEEN saying.
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"There will be no situation where we stop the war"
Benjamin Netanyahu says the IDF is planning to enter Gaza "with full force" in the coming days
https://x.com/HotSpotHotSpot/status/1922681881201627529
"every excuse they've given since the beginning was always a lie to justify genocide like we've BEEN saying."
Yes – this is basically why I recommended the article I mention above:
it not only makes a case for the dishonesty of the latest, 'if they would just give up' genocidal talking point;
it also expands on your "first…then…now" overview, nailing down each of those stages, and key moments of repeated government 'goal post moving,' to make a convincing case that the true goal has always been ethnic cleansing by genocide.
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Nonsense.
Straight from Tel Aviv, eh? Figures.
Part of the 2/3 that are all in on the genocide, you are.
I have never been to Israel or the Middle East. And it is cheap and overly dramatic to keep throwing around the term "genocide".
According to Palestinians, their population consists of 14 million people. Hamas claims that 50,000 have died in Gaza (who knows?); Israel says about 20,000 of the casualties are Hamas fighters; if all of these are true, then that means about 0.02% of all Palestinians have died in Gaza. Not exactly "genocide", especially as casualties are always high in urban warfare; for example, more than 20,000 French civilians died in France after D-Day. Did the US Army commit "genocide" against France? Do tell.
Open your eyes doofus!!!
Maybe if you had a coherent argument – or even a clearly articulated position – that would be something to discuss, but you have nothing. Suit yourself.
He's trying to help you, but as usual your just an imbecile.
I'm an imbecile because someone who insults me makes pointless comments?
I guess that is what passes for logic in your "mind".
If he wanted to "help" me, he would engage in an adult conversation, based on verifiable facts. The existing evidence shows he is not capable of that.
I take no pride in calling you names, but you're just that caliber of a human being. If you change things will change.
Still parroting your nonsense after it has been responded to over and over again?
Presenting facts is just that – presenting facts. Yes, urban warfare causes civilian casualties, as in WWII. Do you – or can you – dispute that fact?
I guess if you could, you would, but you can't, so you don't. Just the usual weak ad hominin jibber jabber.
All of your arguments can be boiled down to one sentence: I don't like Israel because I think people like me should control it. That's your whole argument in a nutshell, and it's not convincing.
You're obfuscating as usual. No one disputes innocents may get hurt in war. Genocide is a crime of intent. You keep blaming Hamas and Israel's answer is we will kill everyone we have to to get at Hamas. Well if you have that intention, that's genocide. And you keep making it a point taht Hamas wants to destroy Israel so Israel has to destroy Hamas. That is logical but the problem is Hamas is alive and well. All Israel has done is destroy the population. That's genocide. The next time you claim its fact that people get killed in wars, respond to this.
Until Hamas surrenders, the war will continue. Call it whatever you want; it doesn't matter.
It matters because the way Israel is conducting this war will lead to its undoing. Hamas won't surrender, and even if it does it's just a delay of the inevitable. Arafat surrendered in Beirut in 1982. Then cam two intifadas and October 7th.
Arafat signed a peace agreement, which established the Palestinian Authority.
Hamas will not sign a peace agreement. So the pointless, tragic wars will continue.
And your delight about the brutal Oct. 7 barbarism is truly disgusting.
Not true. Hamas has been offering a long term ceasefire (hudna) for decades. However, Israel in its arrogance has refused all overtures for calm. Any temporary periods of calm were shattered by Israel in violation of its commitments and documented.
you're wrong though. I don't relish in the violence. I think it's counter productive to misrepresent the facts of Oct 7th. What Israel has done before and after pales in comparison.
So, the slaughter of 1,200 people – including toddlers and babies – was a peace offering? Even you don't believe that, no matter how much you celebrate the cruelty and slaughter on Oct. 7 by the mafia your support in Gaza.
Just be honest. It's obvious you and Hamas both share the same desire to destroy Israel, and all of your arguments – based on distortions of the facts – are designed to further that aim.
Take this most recent post. If Hamas wanted peace, there would be peace, as with Israel and Egypt, Israel and Jordan, and Israeli Arabs/Palestinians. They would simply say they want peace, and the war would end today.
This is what Yasser Arafat did, and Israel and the PLO/PA ended their war.
Hamas obviously does not want peace, as their existence is dedicated to war – which is your aim, as well. Given that, why would Israel stop fighting them?
No use talking to you Alexander. Who are we destroy Israel? Israel will collapse under its own oppression. This has been a historical pattern of mankind. Israel is no different. October 7th is an unfortunate result of the oppression visited upon Gazans for decades. I personally don't know a single Palestinian who is "proud" of October 7th in the way you assume. Jews want ascendancy in the land where there is no moral justification. Usurpation comes with a huge price that they just can't afford. How else can you explain a state as powerful as Israel yet as fragile as a myth—propped up by military might, yet terrified of a poem, a flag, or a child's keffiyeh?
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1. It is the Hamas charter that says they will destroy Israel. They claim that is the obligation of all Muslims. Further, the Hamas charter says:
"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him."
They also say: "This is the law governing the land of Palestine in the Islamic Sharia (law) and the same goes for any land the Moslems have conquered by force, because during the times of (Islamic) conquests, the Moslems consecrated these lands to Moslem generations till the Day of Judgement."
So, you can pretend and ignore reality, but the facts are clear and not hidden.
2. There is no evidence that Israel will "collapse". This is just a reflection of your own support for the gangsters in Hamas.
Which charter? The current one or the obsolete/superseded one?
This was in the founding charter of Hamas. Calling a charter that defines the goal of killing Jews as "obsolete" is absurd, especially after Oct. 7, when that was the goal.
The "new" charter still demands the "complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea." While Hamas removed the openly anti-Semitic sections, such as the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion," no one at Hamas ever repudiated or revoked the earlier version, and many opposed it – so how is that "obsolete"?
When an organization adopts a new charter, the previous charter is “obsolete” and “revoked” by definition.
When I buy a US-produced Coke these days, I trust that it has high-fructose corn syrup in instead of cane sugar. Why? Because the new bottles say so, unlike the old bottles which said “cane sugar” because that’s what was in there.
Obviously that analogy does not apply and that statement is not true, unless the previous document is specifically revoked; Hamas said it was a "clarification". Further, what was revoked? They still called for the complete takeover of Israel, "from the river to the sea."
But if you want to believe Hamas, be my guest. Maybe you can teach at Harvard someday.
I believe what I have reason to believe on the basis of known facts.
You believe what you want to believe because it’s what you want to believe.
What we have in common is that neither of us believes Hamas; the difference is that I disbelieve what Hamas is saying now instead of, for whatever reason, feeling like I can only talk about what Hamas said decades ago.
Actually, the opposite is true.
The facts are that Hamas started with documents supporting killing Jews. You can't deny that; it's not my opinion or what I "believe".
It is also a fact that Hamas never refuted the original charter – in contrast, Yasser Arafat and the PLO explicitly did refute their original position.
It's also a fact that Hamas acted in a way that was consistent with its original charter – using millions of dollars in resources to plan and implement a massive attack on Israel.
It's also a fact that Hamas received training for its violence in Iran, and they encouraged Hezbollah and the Houthis to attack Israel.
It is also a fact that the new charter is the same as the old charter in claiming every inch of Israel.
These all speak to the central issue, which is intentions of Hamas. I see no evidence that this has changed.
“I see no evidence that this has changed.”
If you saw no evidence of change, you wouldn’t feel the need to obsessively focus on the obsolete, superseded charter from three decades ago instead of just citing the current, operative charter from eight years ago.
You mean the genocide that Holocaust survivors, legal experts and the world are witnessing in front of their eyes.
Now say it with me G e n o c i d e
As usual, you distort the truth in your effort to achieve through lies what Hamas failed to achieve through murder.
No matter how much you pretend, the war in Gaza is not genocide. You only undermine your credibility.
For example, prior to WWII, there were 9.5 million Jews living in Europe. The man you, Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood, and Iran admire (Adolf Hitler), declared war against the Jews. The Nazi government systematically murdered Jewish men, women, and children. The six million Jews murdered by the Nazis represented 63% of all European Jews.
In "Mein Kampf," the book by Hitler that your heroes the Muslim Brotherhood translated into Arabic and distributed in the Middle East, Hitler describes his insane delusions about Jews – delusions that your heroes, Hamas, repeat in their charter.
However, Israel does not seek the extermination of the Palestinian people. If it did, it would say so, and would act accordingly. In fact, Israel Arabs live well with good health and constitutionally protected rights. Jordan – which is about 50% Palestinians – has a peace treaty with Israel. Other Muslims groups – such as the Ba'hai – live in Israel because they are denied basic human rights in countries like Iran. Why would the Ba'hai move their world headquarters to Israel, if Israel was a "genocidal" country?
So, basically, you, Hamas, and the Muslim Brotherhood all use the same lies as Adolf Hitler and the German government for one purpose: to gain power they don't deserve and can't earn. However, unlike Israeli Arabs, Jordanians, Egyptians, and potentially Syrians and Saudis, you feel wars based on lies will somehow produce good results. Like Sinwar, Nasrallah, Bin Laden, and other violent, delusional psychopaths, your fantasies are that you are some modern-day Salah ad-Din, who will wipe the Western Crusaders off the map, and, as Hamas says in their charter, control "every inch" of "Palestine".
You can believe any fantasy you want, but even the other Arabs aren't buying it. But suit yourself.
People like me are human beings who were wrongfully kicked off of their land and their enemies would rather see us dead than to return to live in our own homes.
More lies and half-truths – your stock in trade.
1. Did you live in Mandatory Palestine? Of course not.
2. Many of the Palestinians who left during the war in 1947-48 were not "kicked off" but chose to leave, either because they felt unsafe or because they believed the Arab armies would destroy the Israelis, and then they could return.
3. During wars, there are always transfers of populations. The same thing happened during the division of India and Pakistan; however, the Pakistanis don't claim to be permanent refugees or claim they had take Indian land.
4. Israel has been at peace with those who do not try to kill them.
5. You cannot "return" to land that may (or may not) have belonged to some distant relative.
6. Although Jews have lived in Gaza for thousands of years, it is they who have been kicked out. Even those who tried to live – in peace – nearby to Gaza were slaughtered and targeted for extermination by your heroes, the barbaric Hamas.
He’s like a reverse Dorian Gray, all the ugly, inside and out, is on display, rather than on a hidden portrait.
Using a [war] to keep oneself out of jail
No, not war, genocide, ethnic cleansing, and abandoning his own people held as collateral.
He really is a “special” kind of psychopath.
"US Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff told Arab mediators that the US will not force Israel to end its genocidal war" Witkoff did not use the term "genocidal war" in referring to Israel war to liberate their kidnapped citizens.
To add, it is also a war in which Israel has to finish Hamas, as they mass murdered Israelis on Oct 7th, and they must pay with their lives, which is what they want so they can enter paradise.
Israel kills at least 143 in one day as Gaza death toll passes 53,000. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2025/5/15/live-israel-kills-at-least-115-in-gaza-as-palestinians-commemorate-nakba
Which is why Netanyahu is a wanted war criminal.
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All on Hamas, who could have ended what they have initiated at any time in the last 19 months by laying down their arms and releasing all the hostages.
^^^ by laying down their arms and being exterminated.
Nope. Palestinians who are peaceful are not a problem for Israel. Look at the Israeli Arabs, who do well; or the Palestinians in Jordan, which has a peace treaty with Israel.
However, Hamas is dedicated to one purpose – the destruction of Israel and the removal of its people. They are very clear about this. Read their charter. Sometimes people tell you who they are.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/21st_century/hamas.asp
“Palestinians who are peaceful are not a problem for Israel. ” BS. “Israel” has assassinated Palestinian leaders who signed peace agreements or truces for decades in order to scuttle the agreements. Stop lying. People know the history.
Was Arafat poisoned?
Why were two Hamas negotiators murdered last year?
So it goes.
You are correct as Hamas has been very honest about their ambition to destroy Israel and replace it with an Islamic Republic.
Are you two, Alexander, and yourself, one and the same at the same university in Tel Aviv typing your scripts?
Or, are you fellow students competing for attention and shekels?
They are second class citizens in Israel, and you know it.
Is Israel some sort of perfect Jeffersonian democracy? Of course not; however, Israeli Arabs have protected rights. They vote, their religious sites are protected, the have access to education and healthcare. They certainly have more rights than citizens of any Arab country, and do much better than the minorities in any Muslim country (Iran? Saudi Arabia?).
In fact, the Arabs of Israel do much better than the Africa Americans in the United States, so maybe Americans should start by looking at their own society, which was created by the exploitation of Africans. In fact, Israeli Arabs have a longer life expectancy than African Americans (78 vs 77 years). So, when they have resolved the health, wealth, and longevity gap between White and Black Americans, maybe they can lecture other countries without sounding ridiculous.
oh, how cute! The racist Zionists whack jobs turning on their American benefactors. Was it today you just discovered that America was founded on the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population and after it "freed" the slaves it kept African Americans down?
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And the Jewish Nation State Law says so. No self determination for non-Jews.
not second class. Way off the charts
Why don't you quote the amended charter? @bergoffbirns:disqus can see through your propaganda.
Hamas has to be exterminated. The good people of Gaza have suffered long enough because of Hamas' methods and ambitions.
The good people of Gaza have long suffered because of Zionist methods and expansionist ambitions.
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There you go again, saying that Palestinians must be exterminated. When “Israel” defines all Palestinians as Hamas daily, hourly, and with millions of hasbara dollars fueling it, that means they are out to exterminate the Palestinians and are just trying to create a BS talking point, like you. “Good people of Gaza” don’t make me laugh at you.
I guess you should start exterminating with those in this article. It look like you have lost the battle of hearts and minds.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/one-third-american-jewish-teens-say-they-sympathise-hamas-israeli-government-poll-shows
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Ha ha. You clearly don't understand American teenagers.
Given that I was one, taught them and raised them, I can tell you no matter what Israel is screwed. The old generation is panicking over how public opinion has turned against Israel. You think it will be better for Israel when these teenagers grow up?
I was one, taught them as a teacher and raised them. The Baby boomers are panicking. The youth are less attached to Israel. No matter how you look at it Israel is screwed. They'rereputation is in the gutter.
The whole premise of your comment is flawed.
1. No one is "panicking". That is completely delusional.
2. Teenagers do not control US foreign policy, which is set by US self-interest. Right now, it is advantageous for the US to be allies with Israel. That is why Israel is (by law) a "major non-NATO ally" that supplies advanced military technology to the US.
3. Instead of panicking, supporters of Israel see how Israel has smashed its enemies. The heads of Hamas and Hezbollah – dead. The people who planned Oct 7 – dead. Pagers exploding in Lebanon. The Houthis and Iran willing to talk peace.
4. Even if (as you imply) the teenagers will somehow change US foreign policy, that is irrelevant, as Russia or China would be happy to have a strong, high-tech military like Israel on their side; as those countries care even less than the US about "human rights" or "optics". After all, Russia and China work are allies with some of the worst countries in the world, such as North Korea and Iran.
All on Israel, who are violating international law. Netanyahu broke the ceasefire agreement.
Israel is responding to Hamas who violated every known UN Rules of War to set the ground rules.
Bullshit. Ethnic cleansing is against every known UN Rules of War.
As an occupied populace, Palestinians were within their rights to fight back. Being Jewish (of the Zionist stripe), I am sure that you have heard or read of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising. Hmm?
Look, you know the history since 1948.
I don't get it? So even with your great religion and traditions, democracy, support from America, stolen nuclear weapons, most moral army in the world, etc., you violate every rule of human decency because the other side started it? Where are your morals? Where is respect for the rule of law?
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More than 200 times did the IDF do so.
“The most MORAL army in the world”. Much like the Nazis.
Netanyahu has repeatedly said that release of the hostages would not end the siege.
IT WAS NEVER ABOUT THE HOSTAGES!
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Hamas is starving the children because they have had the choice to lay down their arms and release all the hostages for 19 months. If they had no choice I would agree with you. Ball has been in Hamas's court the whole time.
Zionists are starving children as part of their ethnic cleansing agenda.
Netanyahu doesn't care about Israeli hostages or international law. #HannibalDirective
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May Khamassssss fill you with dread and fear until you go to your grave. But with this statistic you know things don't look good for your future love affair with the apartheid regime.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/one-third-american-jewish-teens-say-they-sympathise-hamas-israeli-government-poll-shows
Hey pipsqueak. KHamasssss is everywhere. Maybe this will help to cry yourself to sleep tonight.
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From the year 2000 to 2023,Israel had murdered 2300 Palestinian children.
Doctors in Gaza, including Jewish doctor, Dr. Perlmutter, evidenced gunshot wounds to the head and torso of Palestinian children. Dr. Perlmutter stated that only Israeli snipers were expert enough shots to have done it.
Oct 7th was the beginning of modern world history.
Trump can sign an Executive Order to that effect:
I, Exulted and Mighty Lord Trump, decree forthwith the year of our now obsolete Lord 2023 be so designated as the fledgling year of our big, beautiful calendar by which modern world history doth begin, its first day established as the former seventh of the erstwhile tenth month.
All reference to preceding history shalt be summarily stricken from the annals, including, but not limited to, detail appertaining to the concupiscient subterfuge of Master Jeffery Epstein as it concerns, in particular, the alleged compromise of your humble sovereign.
Amen.
Now those are great words, perfect words, nobody writes words like you…..
Thanks, gave me a much needed morning chuckle.
One slight flaw in that. He eliminates himself by that degree when he was in office beginning Jan 2017.
And Gaza pays the price for Hamas's methods and ambitions.
So breathing O2 and eating food is now an ambition?
To address your sarcasm— The stated ambition of Hamas is the destruction of Israel.
They had no problem eating and breathing before October 7th, as they were one of the fastest growing populations on the planet.
They had no problem eating and breathing while digging hundreds of miles of tunnels with all the needed man hours, building materials, transportation, fuel.
They had no problem eating and breathing while building tens of thousands of Hamas rockets. — Did I make the point, or should I continue.
“They had no problem eating and breathing before October 7th, as they were one of the fastest growing populations on the planet.”
You seem to be conflating “theys.” Hamas and its Palestinian victims are overlapping, not identical, populations.
Hamas is the cause! If you say anything different you would not be telling the truth.
Hamas did not exist in 1948. Stop lying.
Who said they did?
I think the point he is trying to make is that you keep blaming Hamas for Israeli atrocities when the problem is Zionism and racism that caused the violence and continues to cause violence. Hamas which incrementally developed as a natural response to such human depravity, is not the problem. The way to stop Hamas is to stop the occupation, displacement and killing of the the people who have lived on that land for generations.
And in case you think this post is for you, you idiot, it would be wrong. Its just for decent folk who may come across your nonsense.
@bergoffbirns:disqus
I'll up you one, they didn't even exist in 1967.
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This is not inadvertent. It's a deliberate excuse for genocide.
Please continue………
But before you continue-
1. Give me your address so I can kick you out of your house and off your property.
2. I'll lock you in a nearby cage that overlooks your previously owned property.
3.You can have as much food/water/electricity as I deem necessary for you to exist.
4.I'm going to move into your house, but before I do, I'm going to cut down those decades old fruit bearing trees (come to think of it, that's pretty stupid because the fruit of those trees are healthy for you and the oil made from them is highly valued) on your property…….
Should I continue?
Most of these people never owned property, even during the four hundred years of Ottoman Turkish rule. That property has changed hands more than a Las Vegas gambler since the Romans sacked Jerusalem 2000 years ago.
I am part indigenous American and I don't own any land. Whose land are you living on, making a living, and raising your family?
As far as Nakba, had Arabs accepted the 1947 UN Partition Resolution, offering two stateless people an opportunity to build two independent nations, Palestinian Arabs would be celebrating 77 years of independent statehood today with pre-1967 lines.
In 1948 Israel chose independence and collective Arab Countries chose war instead, and they lost. They chose war several more times, and they lost. If you risk everything to gain it all, when you lose, you don't get go back to the status quo each time with no consequences. –Please think before you post
First off, "raising my family" consists of raising two wonderful dogs.
Secondly, I have no income. I am a disabled veteran squeaking by, by my chin hairs. The only thing I really have is my property, which I grow and raise a lot of my food (garden beds and a pond that was once a swimming pool).
Lastly, if I remember correctly, you "indigenous people" were too busy warring with one another to grasp the concept of ownership of anything. And then there is that whole wheel thing. How the heck do you exist that long and not understand that rolling something is much more efficient than carrying it? Low IQ, blissful ignorance? I don't have a clue card but it's always something that made me think.
If the “indigenous people” you’re referring to are those in the Americas, they had the wheel. What they didn’t have were draft animals large enough to make wheeled vehicles seem like very efficient transport.
Nice dodge to a simple question, and the rest of my post as well. Your only excuse is if you were shot in the head.
What outfit did you serve with? I was with the 11th Light Infantry Brigade, Americal Division, I Corps— Try not to dodge every question.
Now you’re just making shit up. I never claimed I was shot in the head. I never mentioned any of my health conditions, nor my service record. But if you really have to know-
I was first in HQC 16th Sig. Bt. 3Rd. Sig. BGE III Corps MOS 36l. Directly supported Corp. Command (1st Cav & 2nd AD) with comms. First in last out, everybody had to having working comms when they got to their AO and up to the moment they left. We were constantly in the field leap frogging. Great mindset for what would later be a career in concert touring as an audio engineer.
In 1988, upon the arrival of MSE technology (mobile phone networks) I re-classed to a 31f and moved to Delta Co. We were among the first units to deploy such tech.(look it up, we’re online after all).
As far as my health, that’s less of your business but if you really have to know that too my biggest issue is dealing with cancer. I’m still recovering from a surgery from late last September. I’ve been working my ass off just to able to walk my dog 2 miles every morning, I’m up to 43 push-ups, and I work around the house constantly. It’s been a long road to get to where I am, and I’m not out of the woods yet, as my last CT was a little sketchy. Knowing my time here may be very limited, it pains me to use it dealing with nonsense like yours.
Good luck with your continuing recovery!
Many thanks. Working on putting/keeping weight on, and I’ve finally (just yesterday) started moving forward with my chronic back pain. It took years and my recent insistence for my VA Primary Care physician (She’s a DO, not MD) to finally order the correct X-rays to diagnose my multiple back problems, among which one is degenerative, so I’ve got to wonder how much less of a problem it could have been had she listened to me in the first place. I’ve finally learned to be unwavering when it comes to dealing with VA people, to the point of instance where I feel the need to apologize after they do what I demand. It’s as if they only listen to me when I’m pissed.
Yeah, chronic back pain is the worst. I’ve been on gabapentin for it for about ten years now. Its initial effect was near miraculous (my doctor said that the injury shouldn’t be causing that much pain and that it was probably referred nerve pain). The last couple of years it’s coming back a little, but I’d rather not raise the gabapentin dose so I’m looking at other options.
I’ve been fortunate to not have to deal with the VA much — I’ve claimed no service-related disabilities, nor did I retire. I did go to a VA emergency room once when I thought I’d had a stroke and was uninsured (honorably discharged veterans are eligible for emergency care at VA if they’re poor/uninsured, which I was). Sat in the waiting room for six hours before even being looked at. Turned out to just be Bell’s Palsy, but if it HAD been a stroke I guess I’d have been screwed.
(honorably discharged veterans are eligible for emergency care at VA if they're poor/uninsured, which I was)
Also eligible for full time care if poor. I've been retired for going on 9 years and I use the VA exclusively because the government thinks I'm poor. I am, but one would be surprised how good one can live on less than $25,000 a year if one pays off one's house before retiring and has minimum bills. And my experiences with the VA I use in Iron Mountain MI, is nothing but first rate. Never had a waiting time more than 15 minutes.
Salamat
Great comment. Hope you recover fully.
Salamat (in Arabic it means may you be healthy)
Peace be upon you.
Native Americans aren't permitted to own, buy or sell the reservation land they were forced to live on. This keeps them living in poverty.
The Doctrine of Discovery is still being used to allow the government to legally ignore or invalidate any native claims to property. To this day courts continue to cite this legal precedent to decide property rights cases brought by Native Americans against the U.S. and against non-Naives.
The oppression of Native Americans is still the norm in racist America.
The Vatican repudiates 'Doctrine of Discovery,' which was used to justify colonialism. https://www.npr.org/2023/03/30/1167056438/vatican-doctrine-of-discovery-colonialism-indigenous
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So what's your confused concept of land ownership? Your "indigenous" side doesn't own land. Your Zionist side says a god you don't believe in gave them the land. And your American side believes in land ownership. I think your jus confused.
5) And have a rock concert right outside the concentration camp and squeal when the inmates take it down.
And not giving warning to their organizers that an attack was possible. They wanted the inmates to take it down to justify what they have done for the last 19 months
6. And I'll say you don't exist as a nation because all Arabs look alike.
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Re "The stated ambition of Hamas is the destruction of Israel." You like demanding sources? What is your source for this? Misquoting a 1964 document? Stop lying Mr. Hasbara for Genocide.
Hamas Covenant (Preamble)— "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."
And how many Nazi-like extermination statements have Israel’s leaders made? Goes back decades.
Old charter, but so what? What's your attachment to a Nazi like genocide state that is Israel? Be speciffic.
Ismail Haniyeh in 2020: He explained that Hamas rejects ceasefire agreements by which, “Gaza would become Singapore,” preferring to remain at war with Israel until a Palestinian state is established from the River to the Sea: “We cannot, in exchange for money or projects, give up Palestine and our weapons. We will not give up the resistance… We will not recognize Israel, Palestine must stretch from the [Jordan] River to the [Mediterranean] Sea.”
Hamas official, Hamad Al-Regeb in an April 2023 sermon: He prayed for “annihilation” and “paralysis” of the Jews whom he described as filthy animals: “[Allah] transformed them into filthy, ugly animals like apes and pigs because of the injustice and evil they had brought about.” Al-Regeb also prayed for the ability to “get to the necks of the Jews.”
Hamas Political Bureau Chairman Saleh Al-Arouri in an August 2023 interview: He expressed Hamas’ desire for “total war” with Israel: “Therefore, we are convinced that if a total conflict begins, the airspace and seaports of this entity will be shut down, and they will not be able to live without electricity, water, and communications.”
The peace agreement which Israel has massively violated contained a guaranteed truce.
Sounds to me like people fighting for their freedom. And that's another reason I don't like you, you claim our cousins waited 2000 years to return and you nickel and dime us over a few decades. You think we are going to give up?
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Your post includes humanity and sense, something @peepsqueek:disqus can't comprehend.
Gaza pays for Zionist lies.
No it wasn't.
Israel did more 90% of the killing on October 7! Just look at what Israel has done since then and you get an idea what it did on October 7- mass murder and finger-pointing with massive lies! Why does the world accept a SERIAL LIAR'S lies?
That is total nonsense and a shameful lie. Your facts are as poor as your writing. 90% of killing? That is obviously false. You are the liar here.
And you are delusional!
What is your primary source for that number ? ? ? –Please have the courage to answer the question.
He pulled it out of…thin air. It's an obvious and shameful lie; it's called "blaming the victim".
Hamas is the perpetrator and the good people of Gaza are the victims.
Crap. You clearly support the genocide of Palestinians. You like to blame the victims. Israel has killed another 100 Palestinian civilians in just 12 hours. The 77 years of al Nakba never ended.
Zionists are the perpetrators of the settler violence in the West Bank.
UN rights office raises alarm over escalating violence in occupied West Bank. https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/01/1159411
Well, you are certainly good at that.
I blame Hamas for their failed strategy of:
1. Illegally seizing Gaza from the Palestinian Authority
2. Stealing the wealth of Gazans to build a militant army
3. Attacking a neighbor with a stronger military, with inevitable consequences
4. Aligning with the corrupt Iranian dictatorship
I don't blame the people of Gaza for being caught in a brutal urban war; they did not elect Hamas, and they do not have the right to vote or protest. Anyone who protects against Hamas is tortured and killed.
1. Hamas won the elections in 2006. Fatah would not let them rule because the elections were not supposed to bring Hamas to power. There was no illegal seizure.
2. Gaza was meant to be kept poor by Israel that's why they controlled their airspace, borders, access to the sea and limited what could go in and out. God bless Hamas for understanding how depraved Israel is and prepared well militarily to give it a beating even while it slaughters innocents because the Israelis are cowards to face Hamas man to man.
3. In spite of the slaughter, the brilliant attack on a stronger neighbor netted prisoners of war, destroyed Israel's reputation in front of the world, instigated inner division, is damaging its economy. Israel chooses to kill innocents. The result will be its downfall. And don't blame them beacuse they didn't want to go silently like sheep into the night.
4. The US and Israel align with corrupt dictatorships all the time. You got nothing on Hamas. And Iran is still better than Israel.
The Gazans have no love for people like you who would see their destruction in front of your eyes as you blame those defending them while defending the war criminals. You are sick in the head. You are a racist. You have no morality. And I imagine you are the kind of person who lies, cheats and is capable of great harm.
Your pro-Hamas statements are based on distortions and outright lies.
1. After Hamas engaged in a violent coup in the Gaza Strip (June 14, 2007), PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas dismissed the Hamas-led coalition government, and appointed Salam Fayyad as Prime Minister to form a government.
Based on PA and international law, this means the occupation of Gaza by Hamas is illegal. This is why no country recognizes Hamas as the legal authority in Palestine. You comments and support are outside of any laws. You support a criminal enterprise, not the legal rulers of the State of Palestine, as you claim.
. The US, Israel and PA were abusing international law. Besides no one recognized Israel until the zionist terrorist organizations like Hagnah, stern and the others managed to found a state on ethnic cleansing. Muslims seeking self determination will impose a new reality on the ground requiring world recognition. For sure your sympathies lie with the underdog.
False again. International law recognizes the Palestinian Authority as the government in Gaza, and Hamas has zero international recognition. Hamas occupies Gaza outside of the law – the law of Palestine and international law.
As for realities on the ground, yes, Hamas has certainly changed Gaza. They stole billions in aid meant for Gazans and enriched themselves; they diverted resources meant for the people of Gaza to build tunnels and prepare for war; and they attacked a neighbor they knew would counter attack, destroying their infrastructure. So, much has changed in Gaza – thanks to Hamas.
The people of Gaza might not be happy with the realities on the ground, considering they and their children have to sleep on it. However, unlike the people of Israel – both Arab and Jew – they can't protest against the thugs that run Gaza; if they do, they will be tortured and killed.
No one knows the real numbers because Israel which as was pointed out lies. But more importantly it will not investigate or allow for an impartial investigation. Just makes them look extremely bad, and given they have the Hannibal directive. @disqus_ohIOfcAv3e:disqus
Israel papers say "many".
Wow! Still on that schtick?
It has been proven that many of the Israelis killed on that day were killed by the IDF, which executed the Hannibal Directive.
A woman who survived the firefight, Porat,witnessed the IDF tanks firing into Israeli homes.
There there were the Israel flown American made choppers that rained rockets down on 70 cars fleeing into Israel, killing Israelis.
Haaretz and B'tselem verified.
Of course, you know all of this. You just wish it were as you imagine it.
*fleeing into Gaza*
Witkoff conveniently did not mention the ICC arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Gallant.
UN Special Committee finds Israel’s warfare methods in Gaza consistent with genocide, including use of starvation as weapon of war. https://www.un.org/unispal/document/un-special-committee-press-release-14nov24/
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Jordan, Palestine, and Tunisia are the only ICC member states in the MENA region. Algeria, Bahrain, Egypt, Iran, Kuwait, Morocco, Oman, Syria, United Arab Emirates, Yemen, and Israel have not ratified the Rome Statute.
Irrelevant.
"Irrelevant"
1/ Yup, the exact number of ICC members in "the MENA region" is irrelevant.
In fact, Wouldn't matter if Palestine were the only member:
because Palestine is a member, and ICC rules give it the authority to both investigate member crimes committed on non-member territory, and non-member crimes committed on member territory.
2/ The 'only a few in the region are members' post is one more example of piss stain's reliance on AI: moronic searches generate gramatically and factually correct sentences…
…that fail to actually reply to your argument.
3/ Attn moderator – piss stain's pulling his 'AI generated posts' w/o attribution' horseshit again.
If the ICC is irrelevant, why bring it up? Be very specific
Your dumb opinions are irrelevant, you clueless hasbara troll.
He is not clueless. He knows everything. The man from Tel Aviv university knows everything there is to know, and does not care.
I call it typing for shekels.
His hasbara is worthless.
What IS relevant is that the UN must kick Israel out of the UN.
Just the fact that Israel has nuclear weapons, will not sigh the NPT, which gives them the excuse to not allow the IAEA to to inspect, should be enough alone to kick Israel out.
Your pissweak comment is irrelevant. The number of ICC members in the MENA region doesn't distract from 147 member states of the United Nations that recognize the State of Palestine.
"If the ICC is irrelevant, wh-"
He did not say "the ICC is irrelevant":
obviously, the number of region members is irrelevant – making it obvious that's what he was referring to.
"Liberating their kidnapped citizens" is Israel's last smallest least important priority, remember?!
Yes, their priority is destroying Hamas, which seeks to destroy their country.
So, tell me, oh wise sage, how does Hamas, with no army, air force, navy destroy Israel, a country with all of it, plus, nuclear weapons? Hmmm?
You need to read the news more.
1. First, I didn't say they would destroy Israel; I said they wanted to. That is their purpose. Read their charter.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/21st_century/hamas.asp
2. How did Al-Qaeda manage to kill 3,000 Americans in one morning? While this didn't destroy America, it did create great damage to our country. And that was just 19 men. Hamas managed to kill 1,200 Israelis in one attack. How many such attacks could any country endure?
3. Hamas was a well-armed militant group. They were estimated to have more than 30,000 fighters. That is more than soldiers in Sweden and Denmark combined.
4. Hamas also has fired many rockets and missiles into Israel.
5. Hamas aimed to get support from multiple groups, including other Palestinians, Iran, Hezbollah, and the Houthis. In their charter, they call for all 1 billion Muslims to join them to destroy Israel and take back "every inch".
6. No country has used nuclear weapons in a war since Nagasaki. Even Russia won't use them in Ukraine, so they aren't a factor in warfare.
You sad absolutely nothing and @knappster:disqus called you out on not quoting the amended charter.
Smotrich has said so.
"'Liberating their kidnapped citizens' is Israel's last…priority, remember?!"
Yah, well, Timmy gets confused…really needs to get 'Weekly Apologetics for Israeli Atrocities' updates in his mailbox – just being a piss stain ass licker ain't doing it.
Dave didn't quote Witkoff.
Referring to the POWs?
Of course not. The use of the word "genocidal" is biased and inaccurate.
"Witkoff did not use the term 'genocidal war' in refer-"
Wake up, you fuckin' pea-brain – as if anyone would imagine Witkoff openly, on-mic admitting Israel's atrocities.
Vs. the author saying "genocidal" because that is the widely held & growing view of Israel's actions…
…including in Israel, where "genocide" is an increasingly declared war aim:
"In Israel, calls for genocide have migrated from the margins to the mainstream" (The Conversation, April 2025)
Israeli television personality Elad Barashi: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/73b39ec19a04de6badd17052ce06afe6b52113378e50711341771562f1c08262.png Owen Jones, Youtube, “GAS CHAMBERS” In Gaza: Prominent Israeli Demands “HOLOCAUST”
Nutandyahoo is a real, real, sick pup. What is even worse is that the U.S. government coddles it.
It's not all about Mileikowsky and Drumpf. Zionism and US imperialism are climaxing death cults.
What nonsense. You clearly don't understand either nation.
Why would Israel stop fighting Hamas? Hamas is dedicated to Israel's destruction. And Israel is a US ally; why wouldn't they support their ally in a war?
Then why is Hamas the more honest about negotiating a long term peace?
Every aspect has been sabotaged by Netanyahu. Israel murdered two Hamas negotiators so as to stop negotiations.
But what do you care, sitting aside your pool in Tel Aviv?
The question is flawed. There is no possibility of peace with Hamas, because their purpose is the destruction of Israel. That is in their charter, and has been demonstrated in their actions. For example, they could simply surrender tomorrow and leave Gaza, ending the war. Why don't they?
And remember that Hamas is not a real government. They illegally occupy Gaza, which is part of the Palestinian Authority. They have no right to be there.
Israel will not except an organization on its border that is sworn to destroy them. Why would they? But Hamas keeps trying to use hostages and other leverage to stay in Gaza. So, there is nothing to negotiate except the complete departure of Hamas from Gaza. That is what is happening now, and it will continue until Hamas is as gone as Yahya Sinwar and Hassan Nasrallah.
You seem to have a lot of loyalty for a state you claim never to have been in. Are you one of those dual loyalists?
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Lt. Col. Lawrence Wilkerson has met the man. He said that Bibi is one of the most arrogant "sons of bitches" he had ever met.
"They can’t tell us what to do, and we can’t tell them what to do," said Witlesskopf, whistling past the Leahy Law.
GFY, you ignominious POS.
That should get 1000 upvotes. I bet that was the first thought for sooo many people.
Biden altered the Leahy Law.
There is the down vote again from Alexander of Tel Aviv.
Where are you typing from and what currency are you getting paid in?
Not that he's any better but he says, he hasn't been to Israel.
These are gutless excuses for an administration protesting it wants “peace” and “stopping the killing” in this totally disproportionate slaughtering of innocents. Likewise blaming everything on Hamas. How many bunker busters has Hamas dropped, how many Israelis murdered, how much corpse filled rubble created? These excuses are visible to the entire, sickened globe.
This final chapter by Israel and the USA is actually a test for humanity.
Will humanity survive or will we have to start over again from scratch like after the sinking of Atlantis? They destroyed themselves by water, we will destroy ourselves by fire.
Just look at the insanity of Trump strutting around in pomp and glory in three rich Arab nations at the same time Israel with US cluster bombs killed hundreds of Palestinians daily and starved the rest. 99% of the media only covered the pomp and glory.
100%. I read somewhere today that he didn't mind that his talks with Putin were delayed because he could spend time with his newborn grandson. I thought to myself what an incredible feat it would be to even be a grandfather in Gaza, much less a grandchild.
Shows, such as Judging Freedom, cannot show the burned bodies of children, the body parts lying in wasted homes, the horror.
Therefore, the world does not conceptualize the horror Israel is in what it is doing.
The Chosen? The Most Moral Army?
Thanks Donna. As a (physically) retired audio engineer I enjoyed that very much, a little lacking in the low end IMO (my sound set up is stupidly good) but I highly enjoyed it.
While in the uk; https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/nora-barrows-friedman/uk-doctor-suspended-over-gaza-posts?utm_source=EI+readers&utm_campaign=9c71299b07-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e802a7602d-9c71299b07-299199473
Terrific interview.
Well he would have to say that wouldn't he. Everything however points to President Trump running out of patience with Bibi's bloodthirstiness. Trump's decision not to visit Israel sent a very clear message.
You keep saying that, but the blockade and the bombing with American weaponry continues. Maybe Trump could send the same kind of message he sent to Iran. Act quickly or something "bad" is going to happen. At least that kind threat to Netanyahu would be for a legitimate reason unlike the one to Iran.
Do you think there might possibly be any political repercussions for Trump in congress if he did that?
Yes. Which makes him the same as his predecessors. Which has been my point all along.
Not the same at all. Trump is a Wild Card which means there could be hope.
What the fuck is he waiting for? It's day 78 of a total blockade. Or might he be worse?
If Trump went directly to the American public on this one, I think he would win. But he won't do that.
Continuation of US Taxpayer support of an otherwise worthless, rathole of a country, whose only distinguishing feature is its laser focused slaughter of women and children…
Our taxpayer dollars at work, ladies and gentlemen. Makes you proud, doesn't it?
Hey don't forget about the porn (of all kinds). They've got that going for them as well, and I'm sure to them it's nice.
So, this is the plan — killngs and starvation will end when there is nobofy left to kill. How generous.
The world is full of cowards
Dear Antiwar Readers,
Must-read alert in today's Antiwar:
Posted in Spotlight section, please see below analysis by a Palestinian political analyst, originally from the left wing Israeli magazine +972.
I have some comments on it – for now, just want to highly recommend it.
"Why Israel’s demand for Hamas to disarm is a red herring," Muhammad Shehada
https://www.972mag.com/israel-demand-for-hamas-to-disarm-is-a-red-herring/
The same as "Iran can't have any nukes" is a red herring. It's all done for mass consumption to make it look legit.
Utterly Machiavellian and genuinely evil … however,
Notice that none of the regional nations, other than the brave Houthis of Yemen, are doing anything at all to force a peace either, are they? The ones with lots of money (Saudis, UAE, Kuwait), the ones with actual military power (Turkey, Egypt), they all continue to trade with Israel just like before.
So deals are being made, worth trillions of $$$ and the Palestinian people are being written off by all sides.
And the world sleeps……it seems we are all governed by psychopaths.
Israel has a growing, high-tech economy and strong military. Why would KSA or UAE throw that and their US relationship away for Hamas? The same with Egypt, which is at war with Hamas' parent organization, the Muslim Brotherhood.
The Palestinian people need to read the room. Yasser Arafat did, and he made peace with Israel. Hamas still thinks they will destroy Israel, which is completely delusional.
The Houthis are fools.
It's not for "Hamas," you #%@&%%! It's for the civilians your favorite nation is starving and bombing and ethnic cleansing.
But yeah, the locals are showing what was always true from their years of inaction: they cared next to nothing for their so-called brothers.
The Houthis are brave beyond measure … something even Trump acknowledged.
#%@&%%!
It feels better if you use the real words. Very therapeutic. 🙂
Yeah, like weapons "tested in battle" in Gaza.
Really cool, testing them on civilians in Gaza.
When your enemy hides behind women and children, you either let them regroup to kill more of your people, or you attack them.
Are you American? Sounds like profound hypocrisy from the country that dropped atom bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki; they also killed over a million civilians in Germany and Japan. But that's different, I guess.
“When your enemy hides behind women and children, you either let them regroup to kill more of your people, or you attack them.”
Sounds like something that might have been said in a Hamas meeting to overrule an objection to the planned October 7 attack.
Mr. Knapp – when did you transition from moderator to troll? You know that isn't true, for several reasons:
1. Read the Hamas charter. They are dedicated to one purpose: the destruction of Israel, and the conquest of every inch of it.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/21st_century/hamas.asp
2. At the time of the Oct 7 attacks, Israel was not attacking Hamas. They left them alone. Some Israelis in the area around Gaza even helped Gazans with medical care, jobs, etc. Israel even held a musical festival close to Gaza – naively thinking that Hamas would not slaughter people there or grab hundreds of hostages. So, the suggestion is completely absurd, which you surely know.
3. The motives of the Oct. 7 were not defensive; they were designed to spark a mass attack on Israel from all of Iran proxies (Hezbollah, Syria, the Houthis), as well as others. Hamas in their charter says it is the obligation of all Muslims to reconquer Muslim land from non-Muslims – an obligation from God.
Read the Hamas charter (you never have) then get back to me with a serious question.
My job as moderator is to delete comments which, and if necessary ban commenters who, violate the site’s guidelines. That job has nothing whatsoever to do with my own non-guidelines-violating activities as a commenter.
“Read the Hamas charter”
Presumably if the actual Hamas charter — the revised one passed eight years ago — supported your claims, you’d cite/link that one instead of a prior, superseded charter.
“A the time of the Oct 7 attack,” the Israeli regime was, among other things, sponsoring riots at, and blocking Muslim worshipers from, the Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem …
… sponsoring the murder of Palestinians in the occupied West Bank …
… and, of course, continuing its longstanding practice of holding thousands of Palestinian hostages.
“The motives of the Oct. 7 were not defensive”
Nor have I said they were. The motive for the October 7 attack was to get the Israeli regime to come in and save Hamas from overthrow by the Palestinian people.
I just pointed out that the excuses for the October 7 attack were the same excuses you make for the Israeli regime’s own crimes.
Among other idiotic points in your post, who thought it was a good idea to hold a music festival right next to a population of people you imprisoned, starved, and periodically massacred? You can’t make this shit up.
Since you can't have an adult conversation, I will just block you. Best of luck.
And then not even giving the organizers of that music festival a heads up about a possible attack even though the IDF had been warned about a possible attack.
Also check out Jeremy Scahill on this: Witkoff LIED to Hamas' face:
https://substack.com/home/post/p-163723865?source=queue
KA significant political impasse exists between two leaders. Despite being treated like royalty by Arab states, Trump has failed in his attempts to rein in his attack dog Netanyahu, which he could have done if he were genuinely committed to alleviating the suffering of the Palestinians in Gaza. HE CAN STOP THE FLOW OF ARMS TO ISRAEL. Instead, Trump and his envoy Witkoff have proposed plans for Gaza that are fundamentally flawed. This situation clearly indicates that Trump is heavily influenced by AIPAC, as there appears to be no other explanation for Netanyahu’s continued atrocities in Gaza, driven by his agenda of ethnic cleansing. AIPAC still controls how US foreign policy is conducted when it relates to Israel.
IT WAS NEVER ABOUT THE HOSTAGES!!! PERIOD. FULL STOP. END OF STORY!!
So we don't supply any more weapons, money. Israel surely has a stockpile of weapons to continue the "greater Israel" project, killing, raping, torturing along.
Netanyahu, et al, insane all, will continue unless an outside force, and I mean FORCE, stops it. Which WILL NOT happen.
Israel has to be kicked out of the UN. Period.
obviously…!
The Gush Emunim view of authentic Zionism, as explained by Lustick, holds, on the contrary, that "Jews are not, and cannot be a normal people. The eternal uniqueness of the Jews is the result of the Covenant made between God and the Jewish people at Mount Sinai. …" (P-162 #41)
Lustick explains: … The implication is that transcendent imperatives for Jews effectivelly nullify moral laws that bind the behavior of normal nations.
Rabbi Sholmo Aviner, one of Gush Emunim's most prolific ideologues, argues that the divine commandments to the Jewish people "transcent the human notions of national rights. He explains that while God requires other nations to abide by abstract codes of justice and righteousness, such laws do not apply to Jews." (The Passionate Attachment, George W. & Douglas B. Ball, W. W. Norton & company, P-162 #42.
100,000 BCE: Homo sapiens [wise man] reached Europe.
1,200 BCE: Bible history?
Saddam was hung for protecting his oil fields and being accused of building WMD that didn't exist, Libya's Gaddafi executed for nothing after giving up his WMD but if you think Netanyahu should be punished for proven horrific war crimes you are antisemitic. Even though Arabs are semites and most Zionist are not. Makes sense if you have the IQ of a grape.