Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu declared that Israel would complete its military objectives in Gaza and force out at least 50% of the population.
On Tuesday, Netanyahu said even if Israel agrees to a temporary pause for the release of hostages, it will resume its military operations in Gaza. “We in the coming days will be entering with all our strength to complete the process… to subdue Hamas,” he said, adding that “it could be that Hamas will say ‘pause, we want to release another 10 hostages.’ Ok, release them. We will receive them and after that enter. But there will not be a situation where we stop the war.”
Hamas has long sought a deal with Tel Aviv to release the hostages in exchange for a permanent end to the conflict. Israel has repeatedly rejected this proposal and often sabotaged diplomatic efforts to stop the fighting and free the Israeli captives.
Last week, Haaretz reported that freeing the captives was the least important Israeli military objective in Gaza. Removing the Palestinians from the Strip was listed as a higher priority.
In his remarks, Netanyahu confirmed that Tel Aviv was working to fund countries to take in Palestinian refugees, believing that at least half could be forced out of their homeland. “But there is one problem, we need countries to receive them,” he continued. “This is what we are working on right now. If you give them an exit, I am telling you that more than 50 percent will leave, in my opinion much more.”
Many top Israeli officials have said throughout the military campaign that a result of the conflict must be the removal of the civilian population from Gaza. Washington and Tel Aviv have approached a number of countries about taking the Palestinians. However, so far, no country has publicly stated a willingness to accept Palestinian refugees.
While Tel Aviv has framed the removal of Palestinians from Gaza as voluntary migration, the reality is that Israel has used a massive bombing and starvation campaign to create a famine in the Strip. The World Health Organization reports 57 Palestinian children have starved to death since early March.
Gaza is currently under a full Israeli blockade with no food, fuel or medicine entering the Strip since March 2. Community kitchens and aid organizations have shuttered due to a lack of supplies, leaving millions without access to food.
At the same time, Israel has unleashed a ruthless air war on Gaza. On Tuesday, Israeli war planes pummeled the European Hospital and the surrounding area, killing at least 16.
Kyle Anzalone is the opinion editor of Antiwar.com and news editor of the Libertarian Institute. He hosts The Kyle Anzalone Show and is co-host of Conflicts of Interest with Connor Freeman.
Gaza could have gotten all the humanitarian aid they wanted or needed for the last 19 months if Hamas would lay down their arms and release all the hostages. That option is still on the table. It is Hamas's choice.
Hamas had to know before hand that if they massacred enough Israelis and rounded up hundred more of all ages for hostages, that Israel was not going to roll over.
Hamas miscalculated. Hamas thought Israel would back down to save the hostages. Hamas also assumed that they could hide behind civilians and Israel would not risk killing civilians to kill Hamas. And finally they thought their tunnel systems would give them an advantage. They were wrong on all three ideas.
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What they miscalculated was how USA completely would help Israel with the ensuing genocide.
Hamas purposely and intentionally invited Israel into Gaza on Oct 7th by way of massacring Israelis and rounding up hostages of all ages, and have had 19 months to put a stop to this mess they initiated on any give day.
Shows how much value they actually placed on their own people to win a political argument.
Wishful thinking. Hamas was banking on the masses. Interesting thing about the masses. They can handle a lot of accumulated oppression. At some point, though, the masses explode. The biggest proof is Trump and the gulf states trying to avert the explosion with their economic deals, and trying to save Israel in spite of itself. It won't work, though. No matter what Israel is screwed.
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So, Israel didn't give a fuck about the hostages and Israel didn't give a fuck about butchering women and children. And you say that proudly.
What was the excuse for the blockade before the last 19 months?
The "blockade" before was designed to keep out weapons or materials that could be use to make them. Food flowed freely.
Nothing flowed freely. Everything that came in, unless it was smuggled, had to be approved by the Israeli regime. That’s what a blockade is.
Much like an embargo.
No, much like a weapons blockage, subject to search and seizure.
Because it is a very legal weapons blockade against a declared enemy. — You only need to pull up the law of blockade.
Since 1945, the arbiter of the legality of a blockade has been the UN Security Council. Feel free to provide the UNSC resolution allowing the Gaza blockade. And make up your mind whether Hamas is a "declared enemy" under the law of blockade or a non-state excuse for that blockade.
Every last Israeli and Israeli settlement was removed from Gaza in 2005, and within weeks, Hamas rockets began to rain down on Israel– Lesson learned!
Every rocket fired into Israel's civilian populated areas is both an act of war and a war crime, as well as every cross border act of terrorism. Please think before you post!
The occupier has no right to self defense. No matter how you look at it Israel is screwed.
No one was occupying Gaza, they made their bed, or a least Hamas made it for them.
Until the state of Israel, there has not been an independent state in that location since the Romans sacked Jerusalem 2000 years ago.
You truly don't mnake sense. Gaza has been continuously occupied for 60 years. If you're referring to the redeployment of 2005? This has been responded to a million times. Come up with something new. Is it occupied today?
The idea of "independent" states is a new construct. And if you people are "independent" and free who needs oppression, depression, despair? Because that's how healthy human beings see the sickos in Israeli society.
I do think before I post.
In this case, what I think is that you should decide whether you want to invoke the law of blockade — which would require UNSC approval for said blockade to be legal — or not.
Or, in the more general sense, decide why you seem to think Israel should enjoy the entitlements of “international law” while never, ever, under any circumstances, being held to the restrictions imposed by “international law.”
Because when Israeli citizens are being specifically attacked, all bets are off the table and the rules of war supersede UN Resolutions.
But when Palestinians are being specifically attacked, all bets are off and whatever you want to see happen supersedes the rules of war and UN resolutions.
There has not been an Israeli or Israeli settlement in Gaza since 2005, and it appeased no one. Hamas has finically pushed too far, and unfortunately the good people of Gaza are paying the price.
You heard it folks.
That's right, a war is not over until the last combatant is either dead of lays down his arms, followed by terms of surrender. Israel should have taken out Hamas years ago and saved both sides a lot of grief.
Because when Israeli citizens are being specifically attacked, all bets are off the table and the rules of war supersede UN Resolutions.
You’re kickin’ ass today, Knapp. Good job.
The Blockade of Gaza
"In June 2007, Israel imposed a land, sea, and air blockade on the Gaza Strip. This was a severe intensification of restrictions on movement which Israel had started to impose on Gaza in 1991.[i] Israel controls Gaza’s airspace and surrounding waters, as well as two out of the three border crossing points (the third is controlled by Egypt).
https://www.cjpme.org/fs_230
Israel has restricted the movement of Palestinians in and out of Gaza for much longer than the past 15 years. Starting in the late 1980s with the eruption of the first Palestinian uprising, or Intifada, Israel began to impose restrictions by introducing a permit system that required Palestinians in Gaza to get difficult-to-obtain permits to work or travel through Israel or access the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/3/14/a-guide-to-the-gaza-strip
Your lazy lies are even contradicted by the Israeli press: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-counted-calorie-requirements-of-gazans-during-land-blockade-to-avoid-crisis/
Weapons? What about the decision to limit the number of food calories in? What about the designation that considered pasta a "luxury" item that could not be allowed into Gaza?
I recall chocolate being banned also. Didn't want any smiles on those little kids they would later butcher.
Too many calories, they wanted a slow starvation.
Food flowed freely.
Now you're just flat ass lying.
“Now”?
How about the hundreds of other comments?
Most of them I think he's being truthful. And I don't mean that in the sense that he's an honest person. More of an acknowledgement that he's just a sick piece of shit.
Here’s the article, without Nick’s editorializing, which was deemed offensive:
Survey: 82% of Europeans don’t consider fighting antisemitism a priority
https://www.timesofisrael.com/survey-82-of-europeans-dont-consider-fighting-antisemitism-a-priority/
LOOOOOOL!!!
"And food flowed freely," corpse stench sang out, fluttering his hands gaily in the air.
Tim how does does it feel to see them fail? The food flowed in their veins. From that blood they made the weapons to bring Israel to its knees. Israel may get up but only to be brought down again for good. Even if it takes another 76 years. What have you seen in your miserable life but Israel fighting for its survival? And it thinks its a superpower. Hamas showed its nothing but a paper tiger.
Gaza could have received all the humanitarian aid they needed if not for the fascist war criminals.
According to the 1977 Protocol II, "objects indispensable to the survival of the civilian population" are protected and attacks against them are prohibited. The Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court includes starvation as a war crime when committed within an international armed conflict.
Starvation as a method of warfare: https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule53
Starvation Crimes and International Law: https://www.csis.org/analysis/starvation-crimes-and-international-law-new-era
Netanyahu knew the Hamas attack was imminent, so he moved IDF troops from the Gaza border towards the West Bank 2 days before Oct. 7. The IDF okayed the Nova music festival, but didn’t inform their troops deployed at border. https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-okayed-nova-music-festival-but-didnt-inform-troops-deployed-at-border-probe-finds/
Until all the captives are released, Israel is fatally hemorrhaging. You think the bleeding is going to stop but its a false sense of security until the Zionist body goes into full cardiac arrest.
Then it must be worth it to you to see Gaza turned into a parking lot. I don't think it is worth it to the good people of Gaza. — It is easy for you to be brave from behind your computer.
It is easy for you to spin Zionist propaganda from behind your computer. You support terrorism.
Try reading some history, instead of making a fool out of yourself.
Irgun Zvai Leumi. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Irgun-Zvai-Leumi
Haganah. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Haganah
Stern Gang. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Stern-Gang
As I have said many times sicko… it's the occupier that determines whether there is violence, the nature and rate of that violence. israel has achieved genocide status, yet they are failures. All that's left for the world to see is the monstrosity of Zionism and Israel.
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Gaza could have gotten all the humanitarian aid they wanted or needed…
Racist idiot! We can fend for ourselves. What we need, want and will get is the boot of occupation off our necks.
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Recall history, Hamas was punished with sanctions for winning the election. And sanctions are ACTS of WAR, they were denied any normal economics, banned from fishing in their own waters, their centuries old Olive trees were destroyed and then to come and claim HAMAS can't govern, shows how low life democracies are.
I learn a long time ago that wars are easy to start, hard to stop and take on a direction of their own. Did the Hamas planners of the Oct 7 attack anticipate losings thousands of troops, 10 of thousands of civilians, destruction of thousands of buildinga, a world where only few countries care about them and a President of the USA who wants to kick them out Gaza and build hotels? Not likely.
As of March 2025, the State of Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state by 147 of the 193 member states of the United Nations, or just over 75% of all UN members. Their limited status is due to the fact that the United States has consistently used its veto or threatened to do so to block Palestine's full UN membership.
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Not one Country recognizes Hamas as a State player, and the Palestinian Authority only has observer status at the UN General Assembly, where there are 57 declared Muslim States represented, the largest voting bloc in the UN General Assembly.
Qatar has been a key financial supporter of the Palestinian militant organization Hamas, transferring more than $1.8 billion to Hamas over the years. In consultation with the U.S. and Israeli governments, $30 million were transferred monthly to Hamas, according to a Qatari official interviewed by Der Spiegel in 2023.
Benjamin Netanyahu was secretly allowing and encouraging the government of Qatar to deliver millions of dollars to the Gaza Strip to distribute to Gazan families. He gambled that the money would buy stability and peace. That money, American and Israeli officials now say, helped Hamas build up its military infrastructure and helped lay the groundwork for the Oct. 7 attacks.
For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces. https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
Netanyahu was further embarrassed when photos of suitcases full of cash going to Hamas became public. https://x.com/galberger/status/1060597944271941632?s=20
Qatar is about humanitarian aid, but does not support Hamas methods.
Qatar hosts the largest U.S. military forces in the Middle East, under the terms of a defense cooperation agreement, including the forward headquarters of U.S. Central Command.
Prove that Qatar does not support Hamas methods.
According to Trump, the U.S. is spending $100m on condoms to Hamas. LOL!
As King Donald makes his corrupt thank you tour of Middle Eastern dictatorships, he plans to accept a 747 from Qatar as "humanitarian aid".
Palestine hosted the British military headquarters, but Zionist terrorists bombed the King David hotel in violation of international law.
Hamas is recognized by the masses of the world. The governments will be forced to catch up eventually.
What is your primary source for that gem?
My research of course. Hamas' popularity among the Muslim masses can be proven by:
Its electoral legitimacy in Palestine. They campaigned successfully in fair and free elections.
Rising public opinion during times of conflict. Polls indicate this.
Endorsement by major Islamic scholars. Even now jihad is being declared by mainstream scholars. Hamas is at the top of this resistance.
Symbolic representation of jihad and resistance. While the west and corrupt Arab regimes are talking capitulation and normalization, Hamas speaks the language of the masses.
Mass mobilization in Muslim-majority countries. Look at any demonstration in Pakistan, Algeria, Jordan, etc. you will see Hamas logos all over.
Its role as a counter-narrative to the compliant stance of many Arab governments
The masses of Muslims in the Countries you mentioned are too busy trying to put food on the table.
That's why you will lose every time. You think materialism rules mankind. Islam thrives in poor times and rich.
Countries without universal healthcare include: South Africa, Iran, Egypt, Nigeria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Yemen and the United States.
The U.S. is too busy sending 2000 lb bombs for Israel to drop on hospital tents.
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Hamas won one election, 19 years ago and hasn’t allowed elections since. As of October 2023, it was suppressing Palestinian protests against its misrule and executing its political opponents as “Israeli spies.” Then, in a last-ditch effort to retain power, it brought its long-time sponsor and supporter, Israel, in as “worse cop.”
Its not just the election. Although, Abbas and his cronies have been avoiding elections for years because they know the results won't be in their favor. Hamas's student wing has continuously out performed fatah and the secular organizations in the last several years. Those student elections have been a bellwether as to national elections if they are to ever be held.
I don't have to convince anyone of Hamas' popularity. They just are regardless of what you say.
The next time you see me pretend that Abbas and the PA quisling regime are any better than Hamas or the Israeli regime will be the first time, and there won’t be a first time. All three are enemies of the Palestinians.
I know, you are an equal opportunity anarchist. You just have it wrong about Hamas. I am not saying they don't make mistakes, but everyone lies about them. It's just a convenient way for us to say we care about what's happening to Palestinians (or any other oppression) but were not willing to materially support the resistance to that oppression because the resistance is Hamas, Islam or indigenous people.
Hamas are long-time Israeli collaborators, not resistance.
OK
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BTW, if this poll is is indicative in any way than you can bet Hamas is popular among Muslims and Arabs. No questions asked.
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-830230
Read it and weep!
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-830230
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If their that desperate, I wonder what type of terror they will be visting on Israel for the next 30 years?
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Do you like repeating yourself? You already said Hamas miscalculated how brutally vicious Israel is since you admitted that they didn't anticipate Israel not giving a shit about the fate of their OWN people. And you also listed Israel's other terroristic acts and yet, again, you say it as if it's acceptable.
Gazans have to go somewhere, as it will take decades to cleanup the toxic mess left behind and rebuild all the housing and infrastructure, thanks to Hamas and their methods.
But there is no point in rebuilding if Hamas still remains in power with the sole ambition to destroy Israel, or there will be a repeat performance, which is not good for anybody.
There is no point in rebuilding if Netanyahu remains in power. Your repeated lies are not good for international law.
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The ICC and ICJ demanded 18 months ago for Hamas to release all the hostage immediately and unconditionally.
The Geneva Conventions, specifically the Fourth Geneva Convention, prohibits the taking of hostages as a grave breach of international humanitarian law. Hostage taking is also prohibited in international and non-international armed conflicts, as outlined in Common Article 3 of the Conventions.
ICC Pre-Trial Chamber I rejects the State of Israel’s challenges to jurisdiction and issues warrants of arrest for Benjamin Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant.
https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-state-palestine-icc-pre-trial-chamber-i-rejects-state-israels-challenges
UN Special Committee finds Israel’s warfare methods in Gaza consistent with genocide, including use of starvation as weapon of war.
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/un-special-committee-press-release-14nov24/
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Then you have to explain why the population of Gaza has not decreased after 19 months of bombing, and with no fresh water or food, and yet there was over 50,000 births in Gaza last year. -Someone is not telling the whole truth.
Israel has the capability to turn Gaza into a parking lot over night if their intention was to commit genocide.
Asked and answered stupid
Hasbara cannot explain your bigotry.
Someone is not telling the truth. It's you.
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All that's left are soldiers
Least of all the Israelis. Israelis are in a land that rejects them. Israel is surrounded by hundreds of millions of people denied self determination because of it. No matter how you look at it Israel is screwed.
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They have rejected every other religious philosophy from their countries as well. Israelis are the only ethnic and religious minority in the MENA with the full right of self determination.
With self determination like that, who needs oppression? Israeli society is a nest of mentally deranged people with inferiority complexes, psychotics, neurotics, depression etc. They have gender dysphoria, they run the porn industry. All around nasty people, except for the good ones.
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Since the invention of Islam, Arabs have a historical track record. Egyptians were not Arab, nor did they speak Arabic. Syrians (Assyrians) were not Arabs, nor did they speak Arabic. Moroccans, Libyans, and Tunisia (Berbers) were not Arabs, nor did they speak Arabic. Iraqis (Kurds, Assyrians, Armenians, Azides, etc) were not Arabs nor did they speak Arabic, Libya was not Arab, nor did they speak Arabic. The Sudan (tribal Africa) was not Arab, nor did they speak Arabic, Tunisia was not Arab, nor did they speak Arabic. Why are they all called "Arab" Countries, “Arab” States, belong to the League of “Arab” Nations, and have to live under some form of Islamic Sharia?
I told you before. You have been diagnosed with envy. Supposedly your tribe was chosen. You became arrogant and developed an inferiority complex. If your "community" was so great, we would all be speaking Hebrew now. Everyone who speaks Arabic is proud of it except the haters.
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Since the invention of Zionism, Israel has a long, historical track record of genocide and ethnic cleansing, in violation of international law.
And they call themselves "the most moral army in the world". OMFG!
Christian Zionism is an outdated death-cult ideology that belongs in the Middle Ages.
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It's lucky for Netanyahu and Trump there is no such thing as democracy.
And nobody can count. It's likely the other 50% are already dead.
What ever you want to call it, it is better than all these totalitarian Islamic governments. How many Islamic Countries are you boycotting today for abysmal human rights, women's rights, religious rights, gay rights, and restrictions of speech, press, and expression???? What do you think about Communism and Islamism? Where have you chosen to make your home and raise your family??
We know that democracy is not perfect, but you are here in this forum or anywhere else to criticize our government and leaders without reprisals on you and your family.
The only time these Zionist hyenas make sense. @pipsqueak knows that the only alternative to the liberalism of the west and its fake democracy is Islam. That's why they attack it so hard. The only ideology aligned with the aspirations of the masses, especially in the ME is Islam.
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If everyone blocked him, this is all they would see, and he would go away.
Nice try! All you have are cheap shots. Can you name an Arab Country that supports Hamas's methods?
Egypt banned Hamas and branded it a terrorist organization.
Jordan banned Hamas in 1999. In 2013, Jordan rejected requests to allow Hamas to return.
Hamas and Lebanon’s Hezbollah disagreed and were fighting with each other in the Syrian civil war (a Sunni/Shiite conflict).
Syria said- Hamas is an uninvited guest
Saudi Arabia said they will arrest Hamas members on the spot
The only time these Zionist hyenas make sense. @pipsqueak knows that the only alternative to the liberalism of the west and its fake democracy is Islam. That's why they attack it so hard. The only ideology aligned with the aspirations of the masses, especially in the ME is Islam.
We all saw how quick the Arab Spring was shut down with violence.
And in Iran, we saw how quick the Green Movement was shut down with violence.
Women's movements shut down. What about women's aspirations in the MENA region?
What about equal social and civil rights for women, minority religions, and those who want to criticize Islamic clerics and academics?
You speak nonsense. Nothing has done more to oppress women than "feminism." The kind that puts women down and then makes them work a 100 times harder than men to prove themselves. Muslims are to honor their women, protect them and provide for them. It was those women that Israel ignored when they said there will be an attack. Who did Israel put on the front lines to face Hamas' military attack? Those poor women. Who killed them? Israel. Who treated them with dignity and respect? Hamas. Those cute plump female soldiers were all smiles because they were with real men.
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"Nothing has done more to oppress women than "feminism."– You mean like higher education, expressing themselves, choosing their own profession, when to start a family, freedom to change their religious philosophy, or marry the man or woman of their own choosing?
Palestinians happen to be among the most educated Arabs, including their women. And if you are referring to the Taliban, I would suggest you stay out of it. America has bombed with their drones more Afghan women at marriage parties than any they have claimed to save from Islamic oppression.
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"Muslims are to honor their women, protect them and provide for them."
Sounds like the Muslims you describe consider women property, rather than considering them other Muslims.
Tom you can take a statement and assume the best or choose to put it down. It's not an issue of property. In general men are stronger, more violent and competitive in fighting, building, etc. Islam resolved this issue a long time ago. Men and women are equal in the sight of God spiritually and as human beings. However, they each have different natures and dispositions. This western liberal"equality" is not fair to women who have to prove themselves by working harder, competing with men and losing their femininity in the process.
In Islam the marriage contract allows for lawful sexual intercourse, among other rights, in exchange for respectful treatment, protection and financial maintenance. I would say they have it good.
This western liberal"equality" is not fair to women who have to prove themselves by working harder, competing with men and losing their femininity in the process.
Shouldn't that be up to women? Who said they "have" to do those things? And I worked in a factory for 33 years and the women I worked with didn't lose any of their femininity. I also compete in Powerlifting and those women with thighs that could squeeze the feces out of you are also quite feminine in my opinion.
This particular Muslim formation is really no different than, say, the western “Christian right” formation — “any woman who does anything I don’t think she should be doing was obviously forced to do it when she’d obviously really much rather make me a sandwich.”
Ok, that's a discussion for another time.
However, those women with "thighs" are .00001% of the population. This is the problem with western liberalism –every Tom, Dick, Harry and Mary latch on to some individual whim and then imagine its the norm and try to shove it down the world's collective throat. Why are western women converting to Islam at a faster rate than men?
And I have no problem with women working in the factories, especially when there is a shortage of men, but that doesn't have to be the norm.
Finally, its not just femininity that they lose. The best years of their lives are sucked up with this individualism, freedom nonsense. I know decent women who are ten times smarter than myself, who made partner, got in the nitty gritty to prove themselves, and at age 50 they converted to Islam and said if they had to do things all over, they would've traded the partner status, the "freedom," and the cat for bearing a child.
The best years of their lives are sucked up with this individualism, freedom nonsense.
Nonsense? Yes, how dare them. /s You've lost me dude.
Individualism for many, man or woman, just means submitting to one’s desires, and selfishness. We are all slaves to something. I choose not to be a slave to the western notion of “freedom” when Islam better comports with human dignity and justice.
Also have you seen our Muslim women like Linda Sarsour, Dalia Mogahed and a whole host of reverts? They choose to follow the Muslim moral code.
I choose not to be a slave to the western notion of "freedom" when Islam better comports with human dignity and justice.
And that's your choice. I choose not to submit to anyone telling me, or ANYONE else, how to live my life based on their beliefs.
So we both agree. That's why Islam is about making good faith willful choices. What's the benefit of forcing people to believe what I believe. If they choose to accept Islam they will sincerely try to practice it. I am pointing out the western hypocrisy of the west weaponizing the oppression of women when it demeans Muslim women and its own.
No, we don't agree.
Ok
There are different ways of looking at individualism. One is that you have the right to be yourself, to believe what you do without consequence, to look the way you want, etc. There isn’t harm in it until It forces these beliefs or damage on others.
The other definition of individualism, of which I agree with you, is that western culture promotes “every man for himself”, “ dog eat dog” world. There is certainly a loss of community and solidarity which is encouraged by divide and conquer tactics, and propaganda to blame and hate your neighbors when it is the rulers causing the problems.
This is also a problem for different sects of Muslims.
Western Individualism (Definition)
Prioritizes the individual over family, community, or tradition.
Emphasizes autonomy, self-reliance, and personal freedom.
Rooted in Enlightenment and liberal capitalist thought.
Identity is self-defined, not communal or spiritual.
Rights are emphasized over responsibilities.
🔻 Harm to the Individual
Loneliness & mental illness: Isolation from weak social ties.
Loss of meaning: Detachment from faith or purpose.
Alienation: Disconnected from others and self.
Pressure to self-define: Burden of constant self-optimization.
Family breakdown: Duty to kin often neglected.
🔻 Harm to Society
Weakened community: Low trust and collective care.
Materialism: Identity tied to wealth and image.
Civic apathy: Less engagement in public life.
Cultural fragmentation: No shared moral vision.
Moral relativism: Truth becomes subjective.
Identity is always self defined first.
But I already agreed about the loss of community.
Understood. My posts are meant to teach and learn.
I know, my friend. Market place of ideas.
People work to survive, for excellence, for helping humanity. It all depends. And not working is not a guarantee of finding a suitable mate to breed with.
Don't get me wrong. Islam is flexible in this regard. Of course women can work. In fact many Muslim families in America have both spouses working to keep up financially. I am just saying that as a default the burden of earning an income is on the male. Not even just the husband but the close male relatives e.g., father, husband, brother. A wife's income is hers alone. A husband's income is his and hers. The issue that led to this thread is the calim of oppressing women. I am the first to admit that Muslims oppress women. However, my point is that it's not because of Islam and the oppression of women is not a Muslim issue but a worldwide problem –and in my opinion especially in the west where the "isms" are weaponized mostly against the global south. The hypocrisy is they don't really care about women, or anyone else for that matter.
Oh no doubt.
The US govt bullshit claims about worrying so much about girls in Afghanistan is as true as caring about democracy, justice and human rights. Which is not at all.
Same goes for these zionists on this thread who try to drive a wedge between us and liberals over these issues. Of course we disagree on many issues but Muslims, liberals, conservatives, etc. can see what is going on in Gaza is. a genocide.
No worries. I don't have to name any Muslim country while I have your future. Hamas has the blossoming support of your future.
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-830230
At leas , for now.
The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.
Is there some reason we must choose one evil side or the other?
Or perhaps best keep our own dogs out of this stupid fight, it's centuuries older than us.
"lucky for Netanyahu and Trump there is no such thing as democracy."
Large majorities of Israelis have turned against the Gaza siege and want Israel to leave Gaza in exchange for hostages now.
'Pro-Israeli' narratives in the US do not speak for the majority of its actual citizens – but for an antidemocratic war criminal minority.
Yes but not because they care about Palestinians, ending the occupation or forcing their leaders into a two state solution.
Everyone deserves a homeland.
Yet, there are those who seem not to know that enough is enough!…..
There are 22 Arab States comprising 99.9% of the Middle East and North African land mass, all members of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, and they are all signatories of the Cairo Declaration of Human Rights:
Article 19: "There shall be no crime or punishment except as provided for in the Sharia."
Article 24: "All the rights and freedoms stipulated in this Declaration are subject to the Islamic Sharia."
Article 25: "The Islamic Sharia is the only source of reference for the explanation or clarification of any of the articles of this Declaration."
What's wrong with that?
I live in Europe now and out of habit we (and cats who are still on our American early breakfast schedule) rise early. When I got to the comments on this article, 6:24 am Western European Time (UTC +1), there were already 4 pro-Israel comments and the top one had 2 upvotes. No antiwar comments.
There's no real content of course, you can just use a Random Genocide Apologetics Generator with any combo of Oct 7 [the date human history started], CCCCHHHHHHamas, and hostages. It's incredible what the American taxpayer gets in the form of death-happy agit-prop on every corner of the internet. Genocide gets down the road before decency can get its boots on. Some people spam the internet with Local Girls Are Waiting to Meet You, and the contract here is The IDF Did Nothing Wrong.
There’s a whiff of desperation in the air. The smell is rank.
~Joseph Goebbels
"It's incredible what the American taxpayer gets in the form of death-happy agit-prop on every corner of the internet."
Yes, but…Know this has been said, but:
Arguably, it is also, largely, by way of the internet's 'alternative news' and social media that Americans have been exposed to the shocking realities of the Israeli genocide…
…realities that, I would argue, for a lot of Americans, have had the effect of simply exploding the pro-Israel bias and outright propaganda of mainstream news.
That is, the internet-transmitted realities of Israeli oppression and Gazan suffering are so horrific that – for many – they overwhelm Zionist talking points…even expose them as sick evasions.
Yes, the propaganda is pervasive – including Antiwar's threads. But to extent Americans have turned against …and mobilized against …Israel's hideous crime-in-progress…the internet has been crucial.
This is why the apologists for genocide are trying to silence political speech. Why they want to ban social media like 'pro-Palestine' TikTok. Why you suddenly have the endlessly re-posted talking points of the piss stain troll infesting this site.
Overall, very good comment. But I don't get this part:
Yes, the propaganda is pervasive – including Antiwar's threads.
I believe he means the commenters, the usual hasbara crew.
I’m not on the page, but my perspective is that he is referring to our resident spamming Goebbels bots. Always flooding the comments with the same lies and lack of humanity.
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https://www.presstv.ir/Live
“This is what we are working on right now. If you give them an exit, I am telling you that more than 50 percent will leave, in my opinion much more.”
Divide Israel into equal 141 square mile sections. Drop 100,000 tons of bombs on each section. Destroy 70% of the buildings (with the promise of 100%) and displace 90% of the population. Put a total blockade on those sections for going on 3 months and let us know how many Israelis "will leave".
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Add somewhat round or plump…. ;-}
What about the permanent damage caused by lack of proteins? The damage the permanent damage to everyone who does survive?
What about the criminal Satanic billionaires in charge of the genocide?
Who can describe the misery the Palestinian people suffer?
All Trump can think about is the jet he gets from the Arabs, he is a an unbelievable viscous human animal and so are all the sycophants of his administration, just evil.
“On Tuesday, Netanyahu said even if Israel agrees to a temporary pause for the release of hostages, it will resume its military operations in Gaza.”
To the fool who has been saying if Hamas surrendered, the war would be over, Nutty just proved you wrong out of his own mouth.
That would be "fools". Unfortunately, there are more than one slithering around here.
ISRAEL WAS ESTABLISHED BY UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTION IN INTERNATIONAL LAWS AFTER WORLD WAR II. Such as protection for refugees or the criminalisation of genocide, where a response to the Holocaust, and Israel backed these developments.
The United Nations failed the Palestinians.
The trans-Atlantic democracies failed the UN, the veto power stops the UN from doing what could be done.
Bibi must've been a Nazi in his past life.
What else explains it?
I know. ..
But yet…
Weak, very weak! Bibi is doing what every he has to do to make sure that Hamas can never again commit another Oct 7.
Be lulled into a false sense of security. Expect it when you least expect it. No matter what Israel is screwed.
Anything is possible, but not likely. Palestinian Arabs have had many chances to build a viable independent state, and have chosen war every time. Bad choice!
The first 20 years of Israel's existence, there was not a single Israeli settlement in the West Bank or Gaza, and yet Israel was a constant target. It was never about settlements.
King Hussein of Jordan signed a pact with Egypt on May 30 1967, only days before the Six Day War on June 5th, Nasser announced:
The armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon are poised on the borders of Israel…to face the challenge, while standing behind us are the armies of Iraq, Algeria, Kuwait, Sudan and the whole Arab nation. This act will astound the world. Today they will know that the Arabs are arranged for battle, the critical time is here.
Israeli intelligence intercepted this pact and preempted the strike and won the war. Jordan and Egypt have kept the peace with Israel for decades, and they will not allow Hamas in their countries.
Hamas was founded in 1987. The Zionist ethnic cleansing campaign has been going on since the Nakba of 1948.
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No, had Arabs accepted the 1947 UN Partition Resolution, offering two stateless people an opportunity to build two independent nations, Palestinian Arabs would be celebrating 77 years of independent statehood today with pre-1967 lines.
Collective Arab Countries chose war instead and they lost. They chose war several more times and they lost. If you risk everything to gain it all , and when you lose, you don't get go back to the status quo each time with no consequences.
Please think before you post
Hamas accepted the two-state solution based on 1967 borders. Israel strongly objects to any idea of a two-state solution and chose to resume their ethnic cleansing agenda with the blessing of the “King of Israel”, Donald Trump and the “Christian” Zionists.
The State of Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state by 147 of the 193 member states of the United Nations, or just over 75% of all UN members.
The UN Strongly condemns those Governments that do not recognize the right to self-determination and independence of all peoples still under colonial domination and alien subjugation, notably the people of Palestine.
Collective punishment is a violation of international law.
Please grow a brain.
First of all he is not a child where his brain would be developing. In fact its rapidly shrinking. Second please /s don't say please to him. He is not befitting of it.
Please, look in your mirror first.
Why? You do all the thinking for us.
Crap. Had Zionists accepted the 1947 UN Partition, they would not be ethnically cleansing Palestinians in violation of international law.
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Nice piece of propaganda!
You’re full of it.
And these are your best academic responses when you get called out??
And bullshit is your best response when you avoid the truth.
LOL
And these are your best academic responses when you get called out??
That's right!!! That's all you can say. The utter despair in your writing is so palpable, I can see it. @disqus_ky8vtfPjLn:disqus 's post 10 years ago would've labeled him an anti semite. Today you have to bow to his right of speech. The Zionists have lost so much in the last couple of years. Die in your rage!
You are only repeating untrue history and ANTI WAR. COM never holds it pending approval.
I wonder why, my guess, they fear to be removed.
Actually, Peepsqueak is probably the single author most frequently held pending approval right now.
Don’t mistake you not knowing what the hell you’re talking about for other people not knowing that you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.
I am aware, that is why I do ask questions.
Pissweak, pissweak, pissweak.
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Hamas set the ground rules on Oct 7th by violating every known UN Rules of War and Geneva Conventions, and continue to do so by using hostages for negotiations and human shields.
You're a propaganda parrot.
Israel is violating every known UN Rules of War and Geneva Conventions, and continue to do so by using hostages for negotiations and human shields.
https://www.nif.org/stories/human-rights-democracy/exposing-the-true-goals-of-the-israeli-government-in-gaza/
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Israel is responding to Hamas's invitation on Oct 7th. Hamas could put a stop to this mess on any given day since then. The choice has been on their table for 19 months.
Netanyahu's war crimes since Oct. 7 created this mess, turdbrain.
The genocide of Palestinians since 1948 is the choice of murderous Zionists.
Are you aware of what came before Oct,7th, even before the Nazis?
" As an organized nationalist movement, Zionism is generally considered to have been founded by Theodor Herzl in 1897. However, the history of Zionism began earlier and is intertwined with Jewish history and Judaism. The organizations of Hovevei Zion (lit. 'Lovers of Zion'), held as the forerunners of modern Zionist ideals, were responsible for the creation of 20 Jewish towns in Palestine between 1870 and 1897."
That is your BS, you should know what came before Oct. 7. You just can't face the truth. You know better, but you are deeply in insane denial.
The violence in Israel on October 7th was an uprising of a native people against their colonial masters. Such rebellions usually include some indiscriminate injury to the colonists, along with directed violence toward the police or military enforcers who are assigned to keep the natives suppressed.
History is replete with such uprisings and rebellions. Israelis are perfectly aware that Gaza is a concentration camp, also described as an open-air prison. When prison conditions become intolerable, prison riots are to be expected.
Most of the Palestinians who entered Israel were disciplined Hamas militants, while some others were just angry prisoners fed up with being abused. Quell surprise!
As far as human shields, the claim that Palestinians use them is pure Israeli hasbara and an attempt to deflect the Israeli use of Palestinians as human shields. The latter is well-documented and attested by Israeli soldiers.
And by the Palestinians as well, of course, but their voices are generally ignored.
I applaud the demeanor of your writing approach. Sensible, matter of fact no attacks of the person on the other side. I envy you.
Read my article. It's the occupier who gets to set the rules of the game, especially violence.
You Oct 7 false propaganda is not working here. Get a clue about history.,
Without the Zionists there would be no Hamas. To get rid of Hamas you must get rid of the Zionists first. That is all it takes, bomb the hell out of the Zionists and send them to hell, that would solve the the problem!!!
LOL. But it's true
Zionists and Nazis:
Zionism as a Fascist Ideology and Movement: Zionist Relations with Nazi Germany
by Faris Yahya Glubb
https://liberatedtexts.com/reviews/zionism-as-a-fascist-ideology-zionist-relations-with-nazi-germany-by-faris-glubb/
https://michaelharrison.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Zionist-Relations-with-Nazi-Germany-Faris-Yahya-PSR-Beirut-1978.pdf
He always was and still is a NAZI.
No doubt the Israeli government would love to resettle those 2 million angry and traumatized Gazans in the USA. Don't think our "America Last" congress wouldn't happily facilitate that if their AIPAC masters gave the order.
The fact that one good thing might come of ethnically cleansing Gaza would not justify the ethnic cleansing of Gaza. But if it does happen, I hope that my area gets a substantial Palestinian presence out of the deal. St. Louis definitely benefited from the previous largest Muslim refugee resettlement in the United States (the Bosnians).
That is true up to a point, don't forget the injuries the Palestinians have suffered, just the traumas they and their children have endured, they need real help for generations not yet born.
Traumatized American children have problems in schools, imagine the trauma of Palestinian children even if there were peace starting tomorrow.