The Israeli government has approved plans to expand the genocidal war on Gaza that Israeli officials say will lead to the full Israeli military occupation of the Palestinian territory.
The plan involves capturing more territory in Gaza, expanding the so-called “buffer zone” where the IDF has demolished virtually every structure, and forcibly displacing Palestinian civilians to move them all to a small area of southern Gaza.
Axios later reported that the Israeli plan involves flattening every single building that remains in Gaza, forcing the entire civilian population into one single area, and pressuring them to leave as part of an ethnic cleansing plan, though it’s unclear what countries are willing to take them.
An Israeli official told Haaretz that the plan is different from previous Israeli military operations because it will lead to “the occupation of territory and a sustained Israeli presence in Gaza.”
Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said Israel is “finally going to occupy the Gaza Strip” and that it was “no longer afraid of the word ‘occupation.'”
Smotrich said that once the new offensive starts, nothing will stop Israel’s plans to “conquer” Gaza, not even Hamas releasing all the Israeli hostages.
“There will be no retreat from the territories we have conquered, not even in exchange for hostages,” Smotrich said. “Once we occupy and stay, we can talk about sovereignty. But I did not demand that this be included among the goals of the war. First, we will defeat Hamas and prevent it from existing.”
Both Smotrich and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu have made clear that freeing the hostages is not their priority and that the ultimate goal is ethnic cleansing, which they frame as “voluntary migration.”
A group representing the family members of Israeli captives held in Gaza slammed the new plan for Gaza. The Hostages and Missing Families Forum said the plan should be named the “Smotrich-Netanyahu plan” to “give up on the hostages and Israel’s security and national resilience.”
According to AFP, an Israeli official said Israel would allow a “window” to reach a hostage deal with Hamas during President Trump’s visit to the region, which will begin on May 13, before launching the offensive. But a deal is unlikely since Israel has repeatedly rejected an offer from Hamas for all the captives to be freed in exchange for a permanent truce.
The Axios report said that President Trump isn’t pushing for a ceasefire deal and has “effectively given Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu a green light to do as he sees fit.”
The approval of the plan to take over Gaza comes after over two months of a total Israeli blockade on the Strip, and as children are starving to death due to the lack of aid. According to CBS News, the plan includes a mechanism to have a private security company distribute aid in Gaza, but there’s no indication it will be implemented soon or that it would provide the relief needed to stave off a massive famine.
echoes of the USS Liberty: https://x.com/Judgenap/status/1918461492938084690
More of your propaganda websites.
As for the USS Liberty –From the US Navy's own timeline: 8 June—0250: Commander, U.S. Navy Europe’s (CINCUSNAVEUR) duty officer received phone instructions from the Joint Reconnaissance Center directing Liberty to comply with Commander, Sixth Fleet’s (COMSIXTHFLEET) 100-mile operating area restriction.
–The Liberty violated that 100 mile restriction because they did not receive that communication, according to the later investigations, ten of them. No one is denying it was a tragedy and a horror show for the victims of our Navy ship. And the surviving victims have their story, but ten US investigations show that it was a grievous error because of miscommunications, not an intent to attack the US. —-Can you name one benefit Israel would have gotten from knowingly attacking the United States, especially three days after destroying the Egyptian military, air and sea????— Please think before you post again
People can look up the USS Liberty incident and judge for themselves what happened.
You are correct and all official investigations reveal that it was a grievous error in the fog of war, and there was zero benefit to Israel to attack the United States.
You're all propaganda.
He/she is typing for shekels to pay for studies at university.
And what are you typing for?
Give your best example if you want to have an academic discussion.
Your the propagandist, which point do you think is your strongest… ? I'll respond
In 1967, the Israeli air force and naval units attacked the research ship during the Six-Day War. Israel later apologized for the attack, stating it had "mistaken Liberty for an Egyptian ship", although the reason for the attack has been disputed.
Can you name one reason why you ignore international law and support genocide?
To keep American intel from knowing just exactly what Israel was doing after the attack on Egypt, taking lands in the Golan, perhaps???
Israel knew that Johnson was a patsy, that he was no match for Kennedy, who defied Israel's plan to develop the bomb (which eventually came latter when one Bibi Natanyahu facilitated the theft of the technical means to develop one. From the U.S.
Now, I know you are a fledging student in university in Tel Aviv, but at some point in your life I hope that you change.
Cheering the blowing to bits of Palestinians women and children by dropping 2,000 bombs on tents is not cool. Or moral. Or brave.
Perhaps someday you will belike Medea Benjamin, a righteous Jew, who sees how things are, wants a different reality in Israel.
"To keep American intel from knowing just exactly what Israel was doing after the attack on Egypt, taking lands in the Golan, perhaps???" Nice try. Makes no sense, since the USS Liberty was on the Sinai coast and 200 plus miles from the the Golan Heights.
Show us all the '100 mile operating restriction' in international waters that requires an act of war and a war crime. What was the reason that Israel could not have sent a message to the US Navy nor any part of the USG first? And Israel is an "ally?" Israel is a parasite.
"What was the reason that Israel could not have sent a message to the US Navy " In the middle of the war you expect Israel to call up the US Navy and say "Hey we are attacking Egyptian's naval targets, you have any ships in the area? I can flip the dialog and asked why the US Navy did not tell Israel where are US ships where? Neither case makes any sense.
In the middle of the war you expect Israel to call up the US Navy and say “Hey we are attacking Egyptian’s naval targets, you have any ships in the area?” Yes. Also, Israel knew the ship was in the area. Do you live in Israel? If not why not? That’s where you are loyal.
Every official investigation has concluded that
the attack on the USS Liberty was a mistake.
Coming from a country whose planes attacked
the Chinese embassy in Belgrade,
and old age homes in Afghanistan,
Your complaints seem exaggerated.
Every official investigation said that Gary Webb committed suicide by shooting himself in the head with a .38… twice.
One state solution is coming into final focus.
Dershowitz said that a one state solution would not be in the best interest of Israel. He admitted that Israel does have nuclear weapons that could not be shared with Palestinians, or so it goes, according to Mr. D.
"He admitted…"
Mr. D. knows?
You think?
In the worst outcome possible?
A one state solution is not going to happen.
Israel is making it happen with every step they take …
They call that conquered when all they do is drop 2000 pound bombs on unarmed women and children sleeping in a pile of shreds of sheets or blankets they call tents?
Cowardly pilots are no heroes, they have no human decency left,
At one point during training someone must have told them that executing illegal orders are war crimes, and they have no moral compass of their own either.
They are evil people committing a holocaust of their own and not the first one on the Palestinians.
Hamas invited Israel into Gaza on October 7th, and a war is traditionally not over until the last combatant is either dead or lays down his arms, followed by terms of surrender.
Israel had 18 months to genocide the place and now its calling up tens of thousands of reservists. If that isn't impotency I don't know what is. Hamas is the perfect match for these genocidal maniacs running Israel. Whether tomorrow or 20 years from now, Israel will cease to exist.
Yes, you have been invited into Gaza. Come, to a place where the women and children whom you have strived will eat you alive. You have slaughtered them, starved then and destroyed their homes. Yes Hamas has invited Israel… to its grave… to Gaza, where they manufacture gun powder with their blood.
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It can't happen soon enough!
"Whether tomorrow or 20 years from now, Israel will cease to exist" And that chant is going on for 77 years. But Israel is still around. As long as the Palestinians keep that chant going, the wars between Israel and Palestinians.
The Country can remain for as long as people still apply the name "Israel" to tge region on a map.
The State will remain only until driven from Tel Aviv's halls of power by bankruptcy, overthrow, democracy, or their legal system.
The Nation ? Well, that's up to their conscience how long they hold onto a stained identity.
And before Israel the Muslims and Jewish people lived side by side in Palestine until the British meddled and drew borders where ever they pleased. And then there were the Zionists who wanted all of it.
"the Zionists who wanted all of it."
Which part are the Arabs willing to compromise on?
They do own the land. What are the Zionists willing to compromise from the river to the sea, Gaza or the WB?
Learn about the Oslo Agreements, the retreat (Hitnatkut) from Gaza, the "Land for Peace" which always meant only Israeli concessions.
It's days are numbered.
That is a response in reaction of the murderous Israelis. It will stop when the hateful Israelis will stop and become a civilized nation, and even then it will take decades, maybe centuries to heal the wounds on both sides.
Keep those blinders on.
Until your luck runs out.
Doing the same thing and expecting a different result because. . . luck.
Is that the best you can do?
If the active-duty stormtroopers of the IDF are taking this much of a Ba'ath in Gaza, I hold no hope for the "1 weekend a month & 2 weeks in the summer" Practice Squad reserves.
DDon't Wirry they'll get exhausted before they accomplish any of their goals. Some of them get drugged up before they go into Gaza.
"If that isn't impotency I don't know what is."
Are you supporting carpet-bombing Gaza, from day one?
Look! The fool admits that's what's been happening but they're just cowards who couldn't accomplish it on day one and they are still failing. I heard that Israeli soldiers have to drug themselves up when they erve in the occupied territories –is this true? If so it helps to explain the ptsd, suicide and the depravity they are living.
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"I heard that Israeli soldiers have to drug themselves up…"
I'm sure you know the etymological origin of the word "assassin" ? It's a neat one.
Yes, they went around assassinating everyone including Sunnis and the Crusaders. In high school, I heard the Lebanese blond hashish was very popular –I wouldn't know though. 🙂
Gaza was invaded and occupied by Israel in 1967. Traditionally, ethnic cleansing of Indigenous people is illegal under international law.
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Frankly ethnic cleansing started slowly right after 1948 when the West crated Israel for having more access in the Middle East adn to eventually control it.
Hell, 1946!
Actually, the ethnic cleansing started in 1492.
Actually ACTUALLY – August 15, 1096. The First Crusade.
"Gaza was invaded and occupied by Israel in 1967" Egypt controlled Gaza in 1967. Why did Egypt not want Gaza back when they agreed to peace with Israel?
It is more complex and in any case, there is no excuse for the Zionist- Israelis to treat the Palestinian people, men women and children, old or young babies and toddlers as they do, there is no excuse for the sadism of the Israelis. I would like to know why the Israelis want Gaza, knowing how greedy they are they will kill each other to get Gaza all to make sure Trump can play golf on his golf course on the beach, he may share the coast with his son in law, all tax payer paid since Trump never spends a lousy dime out of his pocket, all courtesy of the taxpayers including his legal court costs.
Just a question, do you have a conscience, do you know what a conscience is?
There has not been an Israel or Israeli settlement in Gaza since 2005.
The periodic removal of Jews from Gaza goes back at least to the Romans in 61 CE, followed much later by the Crusaders, Napoleon, the Ottoman Turks, the British and the contemporary Egyptians, and more recently Jews removed themselves from Gaza in 2005 and it appeased no one. Within a few weeks of every last Jew removing themselves from Gaza, Hamas rockets rained down on Israel. Lesson learned! However, Jews definitely lived in Gaza throughout the centuries, with a stronger presence in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. How many live there now?
Well, stay tuned.
Actually a dumb question, the Zionists made it impossible, they insist on a pure Israel without any Arabs. They still do.
That is why almost a million people were driven off the Palestinian land and where most Gazans come from, the Palestinian first holocaust, they call it Nakba, in 1948 created by the Anglo-Saxons for Israel, as far as I know, no one compensated the expelled Palestinian people for their losses.
The Israelis are evil people teaching their children to hate Palestinians, and they become hateful, sadistic IDF people.
"they insist on a pure Israel without any Arabs. They still do."
How can that be true if a quarter of the Israeli population is Arab?
You don’t know, you have to ask? The genocide tells all, or maybe you are in denial of that too.
I assume you're stumped.
No, I am not stumped, the ruling democratic elite are evil people, morally on Hitler’s level, they will all meet in hell. But maybe you think Netanyahu is less evil than Hitler, evil is evil, more or less does not matter, it is EVIL.
Self-defense is recognized all over the world
as a privilege of every individual,
an obligation of every state.
That's not evil.
That right holds for the Palestinians too, but who will defend helpless babies and toddlers and children and unarmed woman? What kind of self-defenses do they have if not their male siblings defend them, that is what Hamas members are. What kind of weapons would you allow them to use to fight the IDF and bombing jet pilots, dropping bunker buster bombs on them? But if Hamas does it, it is evil?
The Oct. 7 attacks on Israel were evil, as is the use of human shields.
Oct 7th was a spectacular military operation against a well fortified military installation. What led to much unwanted death was israeli cowardice, retreat, the Hannibal Directive, stupidity in holding concert so close to a concentration camp prison and the successful breach of the fence leading to armed civilians taking hostages.
as for the human shields, unfortunately for you, Israel is the only one documented by all the major human rights organizations to commit such crimes.
"spectacular military operation"
As was the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.
And just as horridly stupid.
The Israelis are evil, they have treated the Palestinians viscously for decades, Oct. 7 was the boomerang.
The Palestinian people have a right of self-defense, the Israelis have tortured them for almost a century, they are the aggressors, that is a fact and people with a Braine know it.
It is high time for us to call a spade a spade. War crimes are war crimes, regardless of who commits them; that goes for the Israelis as well as any other nation, their killing is not less than the killing by Nazis of Israelis. Their blood is just as red as yours, and they feel pain just as you do. Grow up for a change.
"It is high time for us to call a spade a spade."
OK.
Call the Oct. 7 attacks on Israel what they are.
Call the use of human shields what it is.
The IDF does not agree with you.
"The IDF does not agree with you."
Cite?
Well, if they agree, prove it, a link maybe, when, where and how do they agree with you or anyone like you?
IOW, no cite, just hot air.
An occupier has not right to "self Defense." Unfortunately, what was taken be force can only be returned by force.
Thinking of the hostages?
More than your government that kills them with bombs and even when they carry white flags and beg for their lives. Did you see the cute, happy plump female soldiers and the others who were released? They praised their captors. On your side you had Israelis violently protesting the detention of those raping Palestian prisoners.
As long as they are not Palestinians, right? Do Palestinians have right of self-defense or not?
Well, look at your question, the answer is right there. A quarter is 25% of the population are Palestinians, second/third class citizens, that shows the truth if you understand what you know.
Let him verify the 25% number. It's probably closer to 20%
You said:
"they insist on a pure Israel without any Arabs. They still do."
You know the truth but you won't admit it.
YOU know the truth, YOU should tell me the truth as YOU KNOW IT. I did tell you the truth as I know it. Correct me, please.
It's in the "quarter".
You know what I mean.
No, I don’t , if you have something to say. Say it, what prevents you from doing it?
Because the thieves failed at complete ethnic cleansing and they were euphoric at getting something when they had nothing.
It was the Arabs who failed at complete ethnic cleansing.
At the time, they were honest about it.
@knappster:disqus That's simply not true. There's no credible evidence that the Arab side, in 1948 or otherwise, engaged in or even attempted complete ethnic cleansing of Jews. Even if you refer to wartime rhetoric — which, like in any conflict, included inflammatory language — it doesn’t amount to a systematic policy or action of ethnic cleansing. The historical record just doesn’t support that claim. It does support systematic Zionist policy and implementation, then and now.
What’s more troubling is how easily such false moral equivalences are used to justify unimaginable suffering today — as if Palestinian lives are somehow fair collateral for fabricated or exaggerated past intentions. I understand now how some Americans, raised to believe all human beings are inherently fallen, can rationalize such brutality. That theological framework often leads people to project their own sense of guilt or depravity onto others — especially groups they don’t really know. That, too, is a form of dehumanization.
Your prefatory “@” seems to indicate you’re replying to me. I’m not the one who made the claim.
On the other hand, Azzam Pasha, secretary general of the Arab League, summarized the outcome of that body’s 1947 summit on the subject of partition as follows:
“I personally wish that the Jews do not drive us to this war, as this will be a war of extermination and momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Tartar massacre or the Crusader wars.”
And Sheikh Hassan al-Banna, founder of the Muslim Brotherhood:
“If the Jewish state becomes a fact, and this is realized by the Arab peoples, they will drive the Jews who live in their midst into the sea.”
So it’s not like there wasn’t expressed intent by prominent figures on the Arab side.
Your prefatory “@” seems to indicate you’re replying to me. I’m not the one who made the claim.
On the other hand, Azzam Pasha, secretary general of the Arab League, summarized the outcome of that body’s 1947 summit on the subject of partition as follows:
“I personally wish that the Jews do not drive us to this war, as this will be a war of extermination and momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Tartar massacre or the Crusader wars.”
And Sheikh Hassan al-Banna, founder of the Muslim Brotherhood:
“If the Jewish state becomes a fact, and this is realized by the Arab peoples, they will drive the Jews who live in their midst into the sea.”
So it’s not like there wasn’t expressed intent by prominent figures on the Arab side.
Because you upvoted the claim as if it was some reality. The truth when it can be discerned should not hurt anyone. You fall into the trap set by the Zionists as if we are either savages who want to wipe out Jews or we are so inferior that we deserve everything meted out to us by these European implants. In the past, I quoted the quranic verses that merely says drive them out of the places they drove out out of. No talk of extermination. The other verse says God prohibits you from those who fight you for your faith and kick you out of your homes. Nothing about genocide or extermination. That language is distinctly in the Bible.
Although Americans are turning away from religion, unfortunately many hold to the Christian view that man is fallen, sinful by nature. Its a coping mechanism for Americans like you. The best way to interpret what zionists and American leaders do to the people they seek to subjugate is attribute wickedness to them as a justification for what's done to them.
Using selective quotes from Arab leaders to claim genocidal intent ignores context, exaggerates rhetoric, and distorts history.
1. Azzam Pasha’s 1947 statement – "a war of extermination…" – was not a call for genocide but a grim prediction of what full-scale war would bring if partition was forced. He prefaced it with: "I personally wish the Jews do not drive us to this war…" Clearly, this was descriptive, not prescriptive. It reflected the apocalyptic tone of the time, common on all sides
2. Hassan al-Banna’s quote – "they will drive the Jews into the sea" – is disputed in origin. It appears in a 1948 New York Times article, allegedly paraphrased by a reporter, not as a direct quote. Even then, al-Banna clarified it was a figure of speech, not a threat, and affirmed that Islam teaches peaceful coexistence with Jews. There is no evidence he gave an interview to the American press himself.
3. No Arab government or army declared an intent to exterminate Jews. In fact, many Arab leaders distinguished between Jews and Zionists. Jews across the Arab world were often urged to stay and not be harmed, and in several countries were explicitly protected by religious authorities.
4. Legally, “genocidal intent” requires evidence of a systematic plan to destroy a group in whole or in part. That bar is nowhere near met. The 1948 war was launched by both sides in the context of competing nationalist movements—not ethnic cleansing campaigns by the Arabs.
If we're honest, the only side that actually executed a large-scale population removal in 1948—through planned expulsions, massacres, and razing of villages—was the Zionist side, as documented by Israeli historians like Benny Morris and Ilan Pappé. Over 750,000 Palestinians were expelled—not rhetoric, actual depopulation.
So let’s not invert the story. The Nakba was not a defensive measure against Arab genocidal threats. It was a deliberate Zionist project of demographic engineering, cloaked in existential fear. Selective Arab quotes don’t change that.
Yes, I upvoted the claim because it reflected a clearly, irrefutably, and inescapably factual element of some of the Arab opposition to Israel.
“If we’re honest,” the major difference between the two sides is that one side largely succeeded and one side largely failed.
You're right Tom… You win. They're both the same except one largely succeeded and the other largely failed. One good thing about the Palestinians failing to defend against their murder, displacement and dispossession is we have great people like you telling us like it is. Hopefully it will cause some of us to become better and learn from your wisdom. For that I thank you and as always you're gracious in not charging for your brilliant contributions.
Oh, my … do I detect just a hint of sarcasm?
As anti-Zionists like to point out, Jews don’t have a monopoly on valid complaints about “murder, displacement and dispossession.” Neither do Palestinians.
No self identified group as human beings are all right or all wrong. Events and actions are held up to objective standards of morality and fairness. Palestinians are victims of oppression but we don't all carry the victimhood mentality. We didn't fail at genocide because as a people, leaders, Muslims and Christians we didn't commit or intend to commit a genocide. Some of us are confident in who we are and what we represent. And for the millionth time, Jews are welcome to live anywhere in the Middle East but not as part of a racist ethno religious apartheid state at the expense of the indigenous population.
"a racist ethno religious apartheid state at the expense of the indigenous population."
A better description of most Arab states/entities than of Israel.
Oh, my … do I detect just a hint of sarcasm?
As anti-Zionists like to point out, Jews don’t have a monopoly on valid complaints about “murder, displacement and dispossession.” Neither do Palestinians.
Oh, my … do I detect just a hint of sarcasm?
As anti-Zionists like to point out, Jews don’t have a monopoly on valid complaints about “murder, displacement and dispossession.” Neither do Palestinians.
"the major difference between the two sides is that one side largely succeeded and one side largely failed"
At least the former side had the excuse of attacks and riots and pronouncements of the latter.
What if attacks and riots had not been the first Arab reaction to the partition plan?
"the major difference between the two sides is that one side largely succeeded and one side largely failed"
At least the former side had the excuse of attacks and riots and pronouncements of the latter.
What if attacks and riots had not been the first Arab reaction to the partition plan?
"Selective Arab quotes…"
There are indeed other kinds of Arab quotes. Here's one. There's more,
if you want to see them.
"Who can challenge the rights of the Jews in Palestine?
Good Lord!, historically it is really your country.
What a wonderful spectacle that will be when a people as resourceful as the Jews will once again be an independent nation,
honored and complacent, able to make its contribution to needy humanity in the field of morals, as in the past"
-Yusuf Diya al-Khalidi,
Mayor of Jerusalem 1899 –
in a letter to Zadok Kahn,
the chief rabbi of France.
Lol… Yes, I've seen this before. We study this to learn from the past and how spineless some men can be. Humanity is against Zionist racism. No matter how you look at it Israel is screwed.
You are such a boldfaced liar with zero credibility, just the endless repetition of false information. Sort of like a professor at Harvard or Columbia.
However, many of the Palestinians who left did so voluntarily. They expected the Arab armies to wipe out the Israelis.
In every war, the losing side experiences population transfers. The same thing happened after WWII. 12 million Germans were displaced; more than 1 million died.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_(1944%E2%80%931950)
Also after the partition of Indian and Pakistan – millions moved. The same with North and South Korea.
In fact, the only exception to this pattern is the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, where the side that lost the war (the Palestinians) felt they could decide the outcome. You apparently still do.
It is absurd; so is the invention of hereditary refugee status, many generations after the conflict ended. In fact, in every other conflict, refugees are only considered those who fled a conflict, not the grandchildren and great-grandchildren of those in the conflict. It makes no sense to make an exception for one group, which is why the Israelis have had enough.
The only true refugees were those who fled Israel in 1948. They would be at least 77 years old. Most have died of old age many years ago.
I can't say that I feel sorry for you or the blind arrogant Israelis like you who will see the false facade of what you have built come crushing down. You claim a return to the land after two thousand years, and in your arrogance you nickel and dime us over a period of seven decades. We will return to our land, just as we promised our parents and grandparents. Whether its us or our grandchildren, the world will witness your humiliated faces when the homes that were stolen from their rightful owners are taken back by the children of the refugees you belittle.
As usual, you are speaking to yourself or the voices in your head, claiming things I never said.
First, the usual grandiose fantasies; Israelis have heard them over and over. Somehow, Israel just keeps growing, while its enemies flounder and sink, or throw sticks – because – like you – they base their views of false premises.
I never claimed that Jews are entitled to Israel because of their history; I've repeatedly and consistently said that no one is entitled to anything.
Under the British, Mandatory Palestine was about 2/3 Arab and 1/3 Jewish. There were riots and conflict in this region, so the UN proposed a peace plan based on the partition of the land, roughly based on existing population.
The Arab League and many Arab nations rejected the plan, and said the issue would be settled by war.
It was settled; they lost. That's really the whole story.
You continue a long-line of make believe and fantasy about defeating a powerful army that is backed up by an even larger, more powerful army. But no matter how many lies you tell or stories you distort, it doesn't change the facts. So, you not only support and admire Hamas, you also imitate their failed viewpoints.
All they have done is bring suffering and pain to the people of Gaza, who could have had a peaceful and prosperous territory. Instead, Hamas, and Hezbollah, and the Houthis, and Iran have brought death and destruction and sadness to Gaza. Until you and Hamas understand the extent of your mistakes, nothing will improve for the people of Gaza.
Look at Gaza and see the consequences of your beliefs. But that's your choice.
And those Israeli Arabs have more rights than those in any Arab countries. And they have the longest life expectancy in the Arab world.
In fact, Israeli Arabs have a longer life expectancy than African Americans (78 vs 77 years); yet, all the Americans complain about Israel, while ignoring the plight of oppressed people in their own country. Americans should first look at their own people before lecturing others.
Speaking logically doesn't work with these people.
agreed!!
You won't know without trying it,
and you need facts too.
As I said logic doesn't work with these people, and facts are even more nerve rattling for them. The best way of dealing with such people is ignoring their hasbara, call them out on their lies and standing up against their racism. Steering them towards mental health services is totally voluntary.
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"The best way of dealing with such people is ignoring their hasbara, call them out on their lies"
Ignore and call out.
Interesting advice from someone who apparently thinks his posts are logical.
Ignoring the nonsense, calling out the harm. Don't worry too much about it. The world gets it. At some point reality will hit you like a train.
Presumably, it's what you believe is nonsense which causes the harm.
"almost a million people"
Nonsense.
In 1948, there weren't a million Arabs living in all of Palestine.
"teaching their children to hate Palestinians"
There's dismay at people who are proud of loving death more than life,
there's revulsion at the murder of multiple members of a family in their home,
there's contempt for a leadership which is unable to tell its people,
in their own language, repeatedly and convincingly, before elections and after:
"Citizens, the war is over. We have chosen the path of compromise and peace.
We will honor the commitments we made at Oslo, because that's what honest people do.
We will seek our prosperity, regardless of possible benefits to Israel".
Maybe there's hate in the lunatic fringe, I don't know.
You make no sense.
All through history there have been battles and war about land and hunting grounds, it was not about religion, it was for materials things, essentials for living. Now wars are for materialistic reasons only, wars are profitable business. The Arabs and Semites fought wars like they all did. We should clear the US land and give it back to the real original owners, the American Indians. Then there are the Indians in S. America and the Original people in Australia, it is what it is now and we need to make the best of the present, that is if we are civilized people, it does not look like it.
"Now wars are for materialistic reasons only"
The I-P conflict is religious Jihad only.
It is for materialistic reasons, you will find if you scratch the surface, religion is used to sell a conflict. War is big profitable business for the war profiteers, and money is power.
Israel makes it a "religious" war. For us it's about fighting for freedom and resisting the Israeli boot.
Israel makes it a "religious" war.
Thomas Knapp wrote in a recent comment:
"The Zionist movement was founded by an atheist (Herzl) and the founding of Israel was led by another atheist (Ben Gurion)."
And you say Israel makes it a religious war?
Despite Arab claims that it's a Jihadi obligation?
Despite Israel willingness to make concessions for peace?
Just like some Zionists stick a religious face on their claims, some Palestinian groups also do (and in the last 20 years or so, have been the seemingly more prevalent). But the PFLP, the second largest group in the Palestinian Liberation Organization, is very specifically a secular Marxist-Leninist group, not an Islamist group. And the largest faction in the PLO, Fatah, is also at least nominally secular.
IIRC the leader of PFLP was not Muslim but Christian so I agree with your comment here but I think it's irrelevant to my post.
Politicians and demagogues always use the prevailing religion among their target audience to justify their policies.
Many of the American founders were deists, etc., and the Treaty of Tripoli makes clear that the US “is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,” but that has never stopped an American politician from screeching that the US is a “Christian nation” when doing so was useful.
"the Treaty of Tripoli makes clear that…"
You're kidding, right?
It's not that hard to look up the text. George Washington negotiated that treaty and the US Senate ratified it under John Adams, so that was the generation involved in both the revolution and the counter-revolution (Constitution). Presumably they understood well what they were saying and what it meant.
I Googled it.
Using it to prove that the US isn't a
"Christian nation" makes sense only if the phrase means more than it's usually taken to mean.
I agree that the US was not "founded on the Christian Religion" but "not in any sense founded" is hyperbole.
The fanatic settlers are Zionists now, and with their religious fanaticism made it a de facto theocratic state.
NETANYAHU does not appear to have any religion, not even secular humanism.
This is boring for me but for the sake of reasonable people reading this.
Let's break it down.
Muslim worldviews are informed by Islam and its religious texts. We have a simple principal that says we are to treat fairly and kindly those who do not attack us for our beliefs or kick us out of our homes. For those who do we are obligated to defend ourselves against them. The Zionists did exactly that.
However, how could these non religious Jews justify stealing the land? They had to manipulate Judaism. White European Jews made up this story that a god they don't believe in gave it to their ancestors so now they have a greater claim over those living there for generations. The result is Jewish ultra nationalists like ben Gvir and those who quote the Torah to justify land theft, slaughter, genocide and rebuilding their temple. Traditional practicing Jews do not believe in desecrating the temple mount, taking the land by force or imposing a secular state on the land of Palestine.
BTW, didn't you see that sarcastic post that someone posted (so eloquently I might add) saying the Arabs/Muslims are only fighting Israel because they hate Jews not because because Israel stole their land, displaced them killed them and now is genociding them. If Europeans or any other race was doing that we Palestinians would not resist them. (Think before you post).
Furthermore, Hamas, its founders and leaders, and Islamic movements all over the world reiterate with authority that the war against the Israelis is not a fight against Jews. If my biological brother did to me what you have done to our people I would fight him as well.
As for the Jihad or arms, it just means fighting a justified war. In this case to get the Israeli boot off our necks so we can live in freedom, dignity and peace.
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"The Zionists did exactly that."
During the Mandate, the Zionists couldn't steal land even if they wanted to.
Even in the waning days of the Mandate,
some 85% of the land was empty, unused, and unowned.
As such, it belonged only to the sovereign.
The remaining 15% was split between Jews and Arabs.
"we are to treat fairly and kindly…"
Too many Muslims ignore the injunction for you to blithely repeat it here.
And we have not come to our ancient homeland to live as dhimmis at your sufferance.
"Traditional practicing Jews do not believe in desecrating the temple mount"
True.
OTOH, Muslims enter the Al-Aksa Mosque with their shoes on to use it to store rocks to throw at jews.
(Think before you post)
Always a good idea. For all of us.
But your premise here is the essence of our disagreement.
"If my biological brother did to me what you have done to our people I would fight him as well."
There goes "fair and kind treatment".
Dealing with your nonsense. isboring. However, let's break it down.
That argument is based on a colonial legal framework, not on justice or historical reality. Just because British Mandate law classified large portions of Palestinian land as "state land" doesn't mean the land was truly "empty" or "unused" — let alone unowned in any meaningful sense. This was land that Palestinian peasants (fellahin) had cultivated, grazed, and passed down for generations through customary usage. The notion of formal Western-style land deeds wasn't how land ownership was traditionally recorded in much of the Ottoman or Arab world.
Even British and Zionist officials knew this. As the 1930 British Hope Simpson Report acknowledged, Palestinian cultivators were being displaced by Zionist land purchases even when such purchases were technically "legal." The result was dispossession, not development.
And the 85% claim of “empty” land is historically misleading. The Zionist movement explicitly sought to acquire land free of Arabs — not just land in general. This was not about coexisting or settling side by side. It was about replacing the native population. That’s why organizations like the Jewish National Fund only allowed Jewish labor and settlement on their lands.
Finally, let’s not pretend the Mandate system was neutral. It was a colonial regime that actively facilitated Zionist aims — in contradiction to the principle of self-determination. Palestinians had no sovereign representation to contest or control these “legal” processes of land transfer.
So yes, land theft did occur, even if it wore the mask of legality. The theft was of sovereignty, of control, and of the right of Palestinians to remain on and govern their own land.
Legal ≠ just.
Colonial ≠ neutral.
Mandate ≠ consent.
No, the Mandate system wasn’t “neutral.” It actively opposed Jewish immigration into Palestine, handed all key military points over to Arab forces with the British withdrawal, and provided British officers for the Arab Legion in the 1948 war. It was anti-Zionist and pro-Arab.
No, the Mandate system wasn’t “neutral.” It actively opposed Jewish immigration into Palestine, handed all key military points over to Arab forces with the British withdrawal, and provided British officers for the Arab Legion in the 1948 war. It was anti-Zionist and pro-Arab.
Tom, being a moderator doesn't mean you have to balance equity where it doesn't exist. However, I take offense when you selectively parrot Zionist propaganda without by selectively using inaccuracies and half truths.
You're right it wasn't neutral. It was pro Zionist.
Let's break it down. No charge.
The idea that the British Mandate was “anti-Zionist and pro-Arab” flips the historical record on its head. Yes, some British officials sympathized with Arabs or criticized aspects of Zionism, but British policy — by design and implementation — consistently advanced Zionist goals while suppressing Palestinian political rights.
Let’s address the specific claims.
"The Mandate opposed Jewish immigration"
This is a half-truth. Britain facilitated mass Jewish immigration from the early 1920s through the 1930s, directly helping to build the Zionist “national home” promised in the Balfour Declaration, which was enshrined in the League of Nations Mandate. It was only after the Arab Revolt (1936–1939) and growing regional instability that Britain issued the 1939 White Paper, limiting further immigration. But by then, hundreds of thousands of Jews had already arrived, with British support.
Even after the White Paper, Britain never dismantled the Zionist institutions it had empowered. The Jewish Agency remained the de facto government-in-waiting. No parallel institution was allowed for the Arab majority, who made up over 80% of the population.
"Britain handed over key military points to Arab forces and provided British officers for the Arab Legion"
There were British officers like Glubb Pasha in the Arab Legion, but this was Transjordan’s army, not a Palestinian force. The British were fueling national divisions. And their mission wasn’t to destroy Israel or liberate Palestine — it was to serve King Abdullah’s interest in annexing the West Bank, and to protect the Zionist entity which was seen as a western foothold in Muslim lands. The Arab Legion avoided attacking core Zionist areas and often coordinated with Zionist forces in avoiding direct conflict.
The claim that Britain “handed over key military positions to Arab forces” is simply not supported by the facts. When Britain withdrew in 1948, it did so chaotically and without empowering either side. In fact, it blocked arms shipments to Arab countries, while Zionist militias—well-trained and armed—benefited from years of preparation under British rule, including support during the suppression of the Arab Revolt. The British priority was to protect their own interests and retreat, not to tip the balance toward Palestinians.
The Bigger Picture**
The Mandate was not some neutral or anti-Zionist regime. It was the scaffolding for settler-colonialism. Britain created the legal and administrative structures that allowed the Zionist movement to build parallel institutions — a government, an army, a land fund — all while denying Palestinians the right to self-govern or resist dispossession.
When Palestinians revolted, Britain crushed them. Over 5,000 were killed between 1936 and 1939, villages were bombed, and thousands were imprisoned or exiled. Meanwhile, Zionist militias like the Haganah were allowed to grow, organize, and even work alongside British forces.
Echoes of Today
This dynamic should sound familiar. Just as Britain claimed to be mediating between “two sides” while facilitating colonial conquest, the U.S. today claims neutrality while arming, funding, and shielding Israel diplomatically. Billions in weapons, UN vetoes, and criminalization of Palestinian resistance — it’s the same colonial script, just updated for a different empire.
So no — the British Mandate wasn’t anti-Zionist, and it wasn’t pro-Arab. It was a colonial regime that prioritized Zionist objectives while violently denying Palestinians the right to govern or defend their homeland. Any attempt to paint it otherwise is historical revisionism dressed up as defense
“being a moderator doesn’t mean you have to balance equity where it doesn’t exist.”
Being a moderator means one, and only one, thing — I delete comments which, and if necessary ban commenters who, violate the site’s guidelines. That’s it. That’s all. That’s everything. My comments and opinions have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with being a moderator. They’re just comments and opinions.
The Mandate was an openly, unapologetically, and completely anti-Zionist regime, dominated by the UK’s “Arabist” faction, from the early 1920s (when the Balfour Declaration was effectively repudiated) right up to the point that the British turned over all key military points to Arab forces upon their withdrawal from Palestine and seconded British officers to command Jordan’s Arab Legion in its invasion.
That’s a fact. You don’t have to like the fact that it’s a fact. It’s a fact whether you like the fact that it’s a fact or not.
You’re repeating a narrative that doesn’t hold up under historical scrutiny. Saying “it’s a fact” multiple times doesn’t make it so — especially when the actual record of the British Mandate tells a very different story.
Let’s walk through this:
1. The British Mandate was not “anti-Zionist.”
What you call repudiation of Balfour is code word for British arrogant failure. The British mandate in fact, was created to implement the Zionist project. The 1917 Balfour Declaration — which promised support for a “national home for the Jewish people” in Palestine — was incorporated into the League of Nations Mandate in 1922. That wasn’t symbolic. It was binding. It formed the legal foundation of British rule in Palestine. They were just evil failures who had no authority to promise land.
Throughout the 1920s and 30s, Britain:
* Facilitated massive Jewish immigration
* Allowed and regulated Zionist land acquisition
* Empowered the Jewish Agency to operate as a quasi-government
* Denied Palestinians the right to establish representative institutions
Where exactly is this “anti-Zionist” policy you’re referring to?
2. There was no “repudiation” of the Balfour Declaration in the 1920s.
Britain may have issued vague reassurances to Arabs (like the 1922 Churchill White Paper), but these were meant to pacify resistance — not to reverse policy. The core mandate remained pro-Zionist, and immigration and land acquisition continued under British protection. However, why would you care about the thousands of Palestinians that were killed in revolting against British rule? All you do is perpetuate the trope that we are backward Arab savages who deserved what they got.
3. Yes, there were “Arabist” officials — but they didn’t set policy.
You’re confusing internal debate with official policy. Some British administrators criticized Zionism or sympathized with the Arabs, especially those stationed locally. But decisions came from London, and British imperial interests aligned with Zionist goals, not Palestinian national aspirations.
4. The claim about “handing over military positions” and helping Jordan invade is false.
Britain withdrew in 1948 without handing arms or control to anyone. In many cases, they left strategic positions empty or destroyed assets on their way out.
As for the Arab Legion, yes, it had British officers like Glubb Pasha — but the Legion served King Abdullah’s interest in annexing the West Bank, not Palestinian liberation. It avoided most Zionist territory and did not attack the core of the new Israeli state. Meanwhile, Britain blocked arms shipments to Arab states and did nothing to empower Palestinians militarily or politically. I don't why you keep ignoring such facts?
5. Repeating “that’s a fact” doesn’t make it so.
If you have actual sources — primary documents, policy statements, or serious historians who claim the British Mandate was “openly anti-Zionist” from the 1920s — then cite them. Because everything from the Mandate text to British administrative practices shows the opposite. But of course Israel "just" happened because Israelis fought the British Empire and Arabs and Muslims who were supported by that empire were too stupid to win.
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So no, the Mandate was not “pro-Arab.” It was a colonial system that **built the framework for the Zionist settler project, all while denying Palestinians their right to self-determination. If anything, Britain betrayed everyone that's what imperialists do — but to pretend it was working for Arab interests is historical fiction.
Well, you seem clearly committed to believing what you want to believe because it’s what you want to believe, so don’t let me stand in your way.
Lol… Sure Tom… Anyway when you coming down to Tampa for some surf and turf (now that I know you enjoy fishing)? We'll only eat what we slaughter and catch.
For some reason I thought you were from up north, and traveled to the Florida panhandle on business or whatever occasionally? Tampa is kinda sort a little bit within range for my little motorbike, so I may start planning a trip down that way. But probably not until the fall — I’m staying within an hour of home right now due to a family health situation.
I haven’t actually BEEN fishing in … hell, probably 30 years. Did it a lot as a kid and some as a young adult, but at least as early as the late 1990s I didn’t think it was worth gearing up for since my post-childhood family members didn’t seem into the idea. I have a friend who recently acquired a little 1964 V-bottom fishing boat (for ponds, lakes, and rivers), and we’re supposed to go once he gets in in real operating condition. So I’ll probably buy a license and a rod and reel, though nothing for, say, the deep sea stuff.
Salamat ("Wishing you and your family health and safety")
Ok we can shoot for the fall. if you're up for a quick trip early june would be great as a starter. You have my email
"denying Palestinians their right to self-determination."
Denying that Jews are entitled to sovereignty in their homeland requires the suppression of Jewish history and acceptance of an incompatible national myth that has no factual foundation. To deny Jews the basic right of self-determination is to denigrate their stature as an extant, ancient people. There is irrefutable archeological, ethnographic and literary proof that Jews have inhabited Israel since time immemorial, there is no similar evidence of an ancient, indigenous Palestinian people. To compensate for their lack of historicity, the Palestinian Arabs deprecate the Jewish connection to Israel with lies and distortions that are often repeated by their supporters on the left.
They contend, for example, that the Jewish People originated in Europe and that the Temple never stood in Jerusalem. They claim that the Jews were complicit in the Crusades, although Jews suffered far worse than anyone else at the hands of the Crusaders. They argue that the archeological record, which is so rich in linguistic, cultural and architectural evidence of ancient Jewish life in Israel, is simply the product of Zionist propaganda. In so doing, they project their own lack of national bona fides onto the only people with a continuous link to the land. The only independent nation ever to have existed in the Land of Israel was Jewish, not Arab or Muslim.
No ethnic group is entitled to “sovereignty’ just because it’s an ethnic group; nor is it seemly for ethno-nationalist movements like Zionism, pan-Arabism, white nationalism, et al. to use members of the ethnic group they claim to “represent” as human shields to blunt criticisms of their ethno-nationalism.
“They contend, for example, that the Jewish People originated in Europe”
For the record — this was a decision made above my pay grade when I asked about it — the “Jews I don’t like aren’t ‘real’ Jews because some of their ancestors were born in Europe” thing is considered an ethnic slur for purposes of the site’s guidelines.
"No ethnic group is entitled to "sovereignty' just because it's an ethnic group"
The bases of the claim to "entitlement" are the long connection with the land, Biblical promises (repeated in the Quran), and the San Remo conference of 1920.
Your retort is simplistic.
You live in victimhood.
"No parallel institution was allowed for the Arab majority"
Nope.
The Arab majority refused to participate.
Why with they participate in their own dispossession?
"Why with they participate in their own dispossession?"
In your previous post you said:
"No parallel institution was allowed for the Arab majority".
Your rhetorical question here is a tacit admission that that claim was false.
"Just because British Mandate law classified large portions of Palestinian land as state land…"
Nope.
It's the Ottoman Land Code.
Actually, you're only partially correct. The British did inherit the Ottoman Land Code of 1858, but they reinterpreted and weaponized it in ways the Ottomans never did. Under Ottoman rule, "state land" still allowed for local Palestinian use, cultivation, and even generational claims. The British, however, reclassified large swaths of land under Mandate law as “state land” to undermine communal and customary Palestinian ownership, making it easier for Zionist institutions like the JNF to acquire land. So yes, the origin is Ottoman, but the manipulation? That’s on the British. Don’t confuse legal continuity with political innocence.
Too many Muslims ignore the injunction for you to blithely repeat it here.
And we have not come to our ancient homeland to live as dhimmis at your sufferance.
Just rhetoric here, not much to respond to. Jews have ALWAYS lived better under Muslim rule than almost any other. You're ungrateful, in denial and just overall nasty.
"J ews have ALWAYS lived better under Muslim rule than almost any other."
May be true, but it's a low bar.
"You're ungrateful, in denial and just overall nasty."
Palestinians in the Mandate territory live better than other non oil producing Arabs, and have no less sovereignty than Tibetans, Kurds, Basques, Gypsies, Chechnyans, Australian aborigines, American Indians etc…
How grateful, etc.. are they?
Why was their response the barbarism of Oct 7?
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Understood.
But I never use the word pejoratively,
for obvious reasons.
Isn't there some way to let it pass without your intervention?
Unfortunately, not at the moment.
True.
OTOH, Muslims enter the Al-Aksa Mosque with their shoes on to use it to store rocks to throw at jews.
Just to correct you, as always. When a mosque is clean and maintained muslims take off their shoes. However, because filthy soldiers like you regularly desecrate the place with their boots, it is allowed to enter with shoes. In the early days when they didn't use carpets, it was permitted to enter with shoes. The sacredness is in the intention and the behavior.
Muslims who use it as an arsenal defile it.
I'm not surprised you can't say that in plain English.
There goes "fair and kind treatment".
The essence of our disagreement is you are a racist. Your idea of justice and fairness is non Jews are less than Jews.
Your idea of justice and fairness is non-Muslims are less than Muslims.
They are fighting for their human rights, not the religion.
Stop lying. The ottomans never prevented them from living in Palestine. They limited land purchase in the late 19th century as zionism was becoming active and seen as a western encroachment on ottoman sovereignty.
never prevented them…
…They limited land purchase…
Do you read what you write,
before you hit "send"?
This is not the soundbite, you-can-get-away-with-any nonsense you say website.
Let's break it down
The Ottomans were declining as an empire and weary of "western" Imperialism and settler colonial projects that Europe sprouted all over the world. The limitation on land purchases only began in the late 1800's imposed on EUROPEAN JEWS, not Sephardic and Mizrahi Jews. There was a growing immigration of European and Russian Jews into Ottoman lands. Because the Ottomans ruled over many ethnicities, religions and cultures they had to weigh local fears of the settled indigenous populations. Furthermore, Palestine specifically was considered an Islamic waqf (trust) and selling land was a very sensitive issue.
Racists like you never give credit for what Muslims have done to save Jewry from European persecution. You came into Muslim lands not as humble immigrants looking to for a new life, but to displace, conquer and impose racial hierarchies. You learned from your European masters and became worse than them.
And hey prick! My family has lived in Palestine continuously for GENERATIONS, can I purchase a home in your neighborhood in Palestine? Maybe your home's up for sale.
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They changed the occupied Gaza into an open air concentration camp, blockaded it with guards on the outside of the 24 feet high fence. The Palestinians could not tend their little properties unless some IDF opened a door for a short time.
But you would not know about that, you live on another planet.
Jewish history in Gaza goes back to the time of Alexander the Great. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Gaza_City
Utter nonsense. This must be a Harvard professor.
1. Israel left Gaza in 2006; it has been illegally occupied by Hamas since 2007. Hamas took Gaza in a violent coup; they are not part of the Palestinian Authority.
2. The people of Gaza are not indigenous. Most trace their ancestry back to Egypt, such as Yasser Arafat, who was from an Egyptian family (he was actually born in Cairo, but his father was born in Gaza to an Egyptian mother).
3. Jewish history in Gaza goes back to Greek and Roman times; however, it is Jews who were ethnically cleansed from Gaza.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Gaza_City
"Hamas invited Israel into Gaza on Oc-"
You don't control the narrative anymore – those talking points only work w/yr fanatical zionist bro's.
Not with regular people – revolted by the government's open incitement of genocide and ethnic cleansing – and by the Israeli butchery and starvation of Gazans streaming off the internet daily.
Why US sympathy is at its lowest in decades, why majorities of Israelis themselves now reject the siege, why refuseniks are up.
SAY IT BROTHER!🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
I can guess which idiot is parroting threadbare propaganda. I cannot regret Blocking the twit.
You are full of it!
Will you please educate yourself about the real history instead of spewing Oct 7th propaganda only. besides, Netanyahu invited ad wanted that Oct 7th attack in order to do what he has been doing – ethnically cleansing and entire nation of people.
Delusional nonsense.
Israel left Hamas alone. No one "wanted" to see 1,200 Israelis – including women, children, and babies – brutally murdered.
Clearly, Israel lives peacefully with those who don't try to kill their people.
Israeli Palestinians do well in Israel; Jordan – which is 50% Palestinian – has peaceful relations with Israel. And Israel left Gaza in 2006 and left Hamas alone, until they attacked Israel.
So, your claim not only lacks any evidence, it lacks any logic. There is no need to clear out a peaceful territory, only one whose leadership is dedicated to Israel's destruction.
Nonsense
You're right. Clearly, Hamas wanted to kill Israeli men, women, elderly, children, and babies, because that is what they planned for two years, and then did.
However, Israel has peaceful relations with those that don't kill their people. You never respond to the fact that Israeli Arabs have the longest life expectancy in the Arab world (and more freedoms and rights). Palestinians certainly have more freedom and rights then the people of Gaza living under the violent thugs of Hamas, who torture and kill anyone who doesn't obey them. And you never acknowledge that Hamas illegally occupies Gaza, having taken it in a violent coup. Why is that? Perhaps it doesn't fit into your fake and dishonest narrative and fantasy world.
NO ONE BELIEVES ZIONIST PROPAGANDA ANYMORE. YOU MUST DO BETTER.
You're parroting hasbara talking points that fall apart under even basic scrutiny. Let’s go line by line.
Hamas' attack was a military operation. I've explained many times the circumstances that led to unintended deaths, mostly as a result of Israeli retreat and cowardice.
**1. “Hamas planned for two years to kill civilians.”**
The October 7 attack was unprecedented and devastating—but pretending that it happened in a vacuum, with no occupation, siege, or daily killings of Palestinians for decades, is intellectually dishonest. You erase 75 years of ethnic cleansing, military occupation, and siege, and then cry foul when the oppressed resist—however brutal the form.
**2. “Israel has peaceful relations with those that don't kill their people.”**
That’s laughable. Israel bombs Syria, assassinates Iranians, helped prop up apartheid in South Africa, and massacred Lebanese civilians repeatedly. Its “peace” is conditional on submission and silence. Ask Egypt and Jordan how “equal” their treaties are.
**3. “Israeli Arabs have the longest life expectancy in the Arab world.”**
Living longer under an apartheid system isn’t a flex. They live under systemic discrimination, land confiscation, underfunded schools, police neglect, and constant political delegitimization. So yes, they breathe longer—under a boot.
**4. “Gazans have more freedom under Israel than under Hamas.”**
Gazans are imprisoned in an open-air prison where Israel controls air, sea, borders, and movement, and bombs them routinely. The idea that Israel *gives* them freedom is obscene. And let’s be clear: the violence didn’t begin with Hamas; Hamas is a *response* to Israeli violence, occupation, and betrayal of the Oslo process.
**5. “Hamas illegally occupies Gaza.”**
You’re just inventing law now. Hamas won **democratic elections** in 2006. When they refused to bow to the U.S.-Israel-approved Fatah leadership, a U.S.-backed coup attempt failed. Hamas took control—not in a “violent coup” against democracy, but in a defense against one. Don’t rewrite history just because you don’t like the outcome.
**6. “You live in a fantasy world.”**
No, we live in a world where Israel is committing crimes against humanity daily, with Western complicity, while colonizing Palestinian land. Your “reality” is one where the oppressed are blamed for their oppression, and resistance is called terrorism while occupation is called democracy.
If you’re going to make arguments, try doing so without slogans and lies dressed up as facts. The truth doesn’t require propaganda.
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You facts are clearly wrong, no matter how you try to twist reality to push your agenda.
The UN recognizes the State of Palestine, but it does not recognize Hamas as the legitimate government of Gaza.
Sure, you want to support a terrorist organization that slaughtered civilians because of your sad bias, but that's your problem.
Yeah, yeah the wonderfully moral Israelis were so good to the Palestinians before Oct. 7. How can any group be so ungrateful?
Tell us about the morality of your country. Are you an American – which slaughtered the indigenous people, brought slaves from Africa, and dropped atom bombs on civilians? Or maybe you are European or Australian…very "moral" countries…
As for treatment, Israeli Arabs enjoy a good lifestyle in Israel that includes rights, freedom, and good health. Yet, you think the Israelis were kind enough to Hamas prior to the mass slaughter of their people, despite the fact that Hamas illegally occupied Gaza (the Israeli agreement was with the PA) and their charter is dedicated to the complete and utter destruction of Israel? Show me one other country that tolerates a militant enemy on their border.
Gaza is a an open air concentration converted to a death camp. There are no crematoriums but the results are the same. The counterfeit zionist state🇮🇱 is implementing their Final Solution to the Palestinian Problem.
October 7, 2023 reminds me of October 14, 1943.
Just so you know, any supporter of the zionist state🇮🇱 whether christian or new is a damned zionist🇮🇱. It seems this🇮🇱 has replaced this🇺🇸!
The situation in Gaza is the direct result of Hamas' rule and priorities.
But don't you feel silly referring to an area of 360 square kilometers,
within which people are free to come and go and do as they please, as an open air concentration [camp]?
Do you know what a concentration camp is?
I take it you are aware of the fence between Gaza and Israel, you know there are checkpoints where Palestinians are being humiliated by hateful young Israeli guards and people are only allowed to leave if and when the Israelis open the doors, they can't go fishing or spend time at the beach without fear of getting killed by some cracy Israelis.
Why is there a 24 feet high fence? Do you know, why are there checkpoints in the occupied WB, why do settlers on the WB think it is their right to kill and rob Palestinians with impunity and the PA, just watches and does nothing?
this did not start Oct. 7. There was a time before Oct. 7 maybe you should inform yourself?
If it is not a concentration camp what is it, what would you call it if you had to live like this? Do YOU KNOW what a concentration camp is?
Gaza is NOT a concentration camp, it is a DEATH CAMP.
I have no problem understanding Palestinian frustration at their fate.
But a lying narrative like the one you repeat here
coupled with Palestinian refusal to accept
any part of the blame for the catastrophe of 1948,
or the long connection of the Jewish People with the land of Palestine,
makes a final peace difficult, if not impossible.
And please tell, what is the narrative you say I have?
I stand for human rights and all that is included in human rights. “Palestinian frustration” is about as understating the sadistic genocide and of the suffering of the Palestinian people, including unarmed women and children, including babies.
I dare you to prove me wrong.
"what is the narrative you say I have?"
It's in the sarcastic questions.
The fact that you don't see it is telling.
"prove me wrong"
You'll have to open your mind and read more.
I can't do it for you.
Obviously you are unable to respond with rational, and fact based response.
"It's in the sarcastic questions."
What sarcastic questions, name one.
I do not expect you can, if you could you would do it, that would be the easy way out for you.
And there is the long connection of the Palestinian people to Palestine.
The basis for any honest debate starts with truth.
The Palestinian people are the victims, in Gaza and the WB. Hamas are the decedents of the dispelled Palestinian people in Gaza and and the sadistic brutality of the Israeli-Zionists for almost a century.
Hamas is a resistance of the young Palestinians fighting for their own and siblings basic HUMAN RIGHTS, and their homeland.
Exactly what blame should we be accepting for the nakba?
The catastrophe of 1948 occurred because of Arab militias, gangs, terrorists and army units which attacked every place of Jewish inhabitation in Palestine.
What if attacks and riots had not been the first Arab reaction to the partition plan?
And to think I was going to get a sane response. So the Palestinians were supposed to acquiesce in their own dispossession, destruction and subjugation to the superior race? Now take your logic and give up fighting.
What if genocide and ethnic cleansing had not been the first Israeli reaction to Palestinian insistence on living on their own land?
As usual, no answer to my question. . .
When a Jewish area was overrun – and some were – the homes were
looted or destroyed and any survivors were killed, as at Kfar
Etzion (only three of the defenders survived the massacre).
The potential for the ethnic cleansing of Jewish Palestine was never realized because of the discipline, determination and sheer luck of the Yishuv.
If the Arabs had not carried out across the board attacks throughout the Yishuv between 1947 and 1948, perhaps the nature of the subsequent Jewish victory would have been different. As it was, the ceaseless attacks against all isolated Jewish settlements only gave Zionist commanders every reason to see neighboring Arab villages as threatening and to act accordingly.
Scholarship – including that of the "new historians" – on the 1948
war will remain incomplete until methodical studies are carried out
about widespread and often well-planned Arab assaults on the Yishuv.
To portray the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians as merely a reaction to Arab attacks is to distort history beyond recognition.
Let’s be clear:
From Plan Dalet to the Deir Yassin massacre, Zionist forces—especially the Haganah, Irgun, and Lehi—systematically expelled, terrorized, and depopulated hundreds of Palestinian towns and villages before any Arab armies officially intervened in May 1948.
We're talking about 750,000+ Palestinians ethnically cleansed—not during an existential war for survival, but as part of a calculated plan to secure a Jewish majority in a land where Jews were a small MINORITY.
As for “Arab attacks on the Yishuv”:
Palestinians didn’t organize as a single, well-funded army like the Yishuv did. The fighting in 1947–48 was highly asymmetrical. Arab irregulars responded to UN Partition plans that would give over 55% of the land to Jews, who owned less than 7% of it. They were resisting dispossession—not initiating genocide.
The "new historians" like Benny Morris, Ilan Pappé, and Avi Shlaim have already documented the coordinated expulsion plans, the massacres, and the intent to “cleanse” Palestine. If further study is needed, it’s not to balance the story, but to expose even more of what’s been buried.
Let’s stop pretending this was an accidental tragedy.
It was a settler-colonial project, executed with precision, and justified after the fact with selective memory.
I must hand it to you –that your status is one of victimhood while you slaughter innocent men, women and children.
Giora Eiland said it was.
Giora Eiland, a retired major general and former head of the Israeli National Security Council proposed a radical strategy that would force the evacuation of all residents from North Gaza, or leave them labeled as a combatant. NBC News’ Hala Gorani spoke to Eiland who detailed the "General’s Plan” and explained why he thinks it would work.
Yes, exactly. That same war criminal called Gaza a concentration camp nearly 20 years ago, and now he wants to exterminate it now. Do you support him?
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Of course it is absurd; just more propaganda to sway those who don't understand the reality of this complex situation.
For example, this description ignores the fact that Gaza has been ethnically cleansed of all Jews, despite 2,000 years of Jewish history in Gaza.
The other fact that is ignored is that Egypt closed its border with Gaza because Hamas is part of the Muslim Brotherhood. So, of course Israel and Egypt will close a border with a group that is at war with them and seeks their destruction.
Despite this, Israel allowed billions of dollars of aid to reach Gaza. The fact that Hamas stole the money and channeled it to weapons is not Israel's fault, and there has never been a "concentration camp" that received billions of dollars in aid.
“Despite this, Israel allowed billions of dollars of aid to reach Gaza.”
It wasn’t up to Israel to “allow” or “not allow” aid to reach Gaza. Gaza is not part of Israel. Gaza’s coastline is not part of Israel. It’s like asking whether the US should “allow” the delivery of rice from Rwanda to Burundi.
For a long time, I was at least nominally “pro-Israel” in many ways, but even early on I remember an incident that perked my ears up. In 1981, the United States announced that it was going to sell AWACS aircraft to Saudi Arabia. Menachem Begin threw a public shit-fit and said Israel would “not allow” that to happen, to which my instant, visceral, and absolutely correct response was “who the fuck does this guy think he is?”
"Gaza is not part of Israel"
It's part of Mandate Palestine.
But your point is irrelevant.
Gaza is a belligerent entity on Israel's doorstep. It could have been prevented (with arguments which after Oct. 7 anyone could understand) but wasn't.
Two absurd statements. Of course Israel will decide what happens on its border with a group that want to destroy them.
No, your analogy is absurd. It is like the US saying that Cuba could not have nuclear missiles aimed at them, or the US would cut off funding for Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda. Of course we would, and did. Did you object?
And the fact that Begin opposed a significant change in the military balance of power by the sale of equipment to another declared enemy of Israel – still technically at war and hostile in 1981 – was a problem for you? And your memory isn't even accurate; what Begin expressed was "profound regret" at a security threat. But it sounds like you agreed with Alexander Haig and Pres. Reagan that Israel had not right to express an opinion about a threat to their country, because…oil, after all.
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And the fact that Begin opposed a significant change in the military balance of power by the sale of equipment to another declared enemy of Israel – still technically at war and hostile in 1981 – was a problem for you?
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No, his opposition wasn’t a problem for me. His claim that Israel got to “allow” or “not allow” the US to enter into whatever agreements it damn well pleased with a different country was.
I see. So, you have no objection to a US ally defending itself, but you turned against Israel based on something that Begin never said.
Thanks for clarifying.
I heard him say it live on TV.
And no, that’s not what turned me “against Israel” (I’m against all states). It was just the first time I noticed what an arrogant and demanding welfare client the Israeli regime is.
" a war is traditionally not over unti-"
'at's our soldier boy piss stain – shooting gaza medics point blank in the face and then bulldozing under the bodies because, you know – "tradition."
Spare me your BS.
BTW all through history in wars the leaders had enough sense to compromise to end a war that could not be won by one side or other even both.
Unconditional surrender is not traditional, that is a hateful set on revenge Anglo-Saxon thing. In the wars in the past they did not fight to the last combatant. As brutal as wars are, they knew when to end it was the sensible thing to do, the loss of life and property was not worth to go on killing each other. But we are dealing with IDIOTS, not common sense leaders.
Is the Ukraine or Gaza worth more war? Who will fund the rebuilding of Gaza and Ukraine?
And I like to point out that the Israelis and Ukrainians will face a very sick civilian population too, it will take decades to recover. Just think about the extremely traumatized children. My heart breaks for them, amputations without anesthetics, they had to endure that and more, think about that if you can.
In retrospect, perhaps Hamas would have done better to spend the millions of dollars it received on the people of Gaza, and not using aid money to attack its neighbor.
History always starts on some convenient date.
Sustained presence and sustained death count by Hamas underground…!
The Zionists illegally occupied Gaza before Hamas was elected, impressive even now, decades later the IsraeliZionists could not conquer Hamas, in spite of all the help from the USA and additional funding from Germany, and there is not an army to resist, just mostly killing unarmed women and children, and if bombs can't do it they will starve them to dead and young Palestinian freedom fighters, resistance, called Hamas, not terrorists as the aggressors want to call them.
And all we can do is to call it what it is, genocide funded by an evil, ruling oligarch elite, and hang our heads in shame for our home grown war criminals.
Nice propaganda! Every last Israeli and Israeli settlement was removed from Gaza in 2005 before Hamas elected, and it appeased no one, as Hamas rockets began to rain down Israel's civilian populated areas within weeks—- Lesson should have been learned 20 years ago. This is why I support Israel in this matter.
This is why you support the genocide of 52,000 Palestinians?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_the_Gaza_Strip#Rationale_and_development_of_the_policy
We learned the lesson of Israel's ethnic cleansing agenda 76 years ago.
The Nakba never ended.
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The numbers are much higher. Killing of journalists is to prevent truth from getting out.
Not to mention the thousands of bodies still buried in the rubble of what used to be their homes.
"The Nakba never ended" The Nakba would have not started had the Arabs nations not attacked the new nation of Israel. The term Nakba means catastrophe. And yes the decision to attack Israel was indeed a catastrophe.
WWhat Happens when the favor of catastrophe is returned?
You still don't know where
grievance collection gets you?
The world knows where it got your community. Your "Spartan" state is doomed.
You support a lunatic state that hasn't learned its lesson after 20 years???
Sharon left Gaza to focus on stealing the West Bank. And by the way when israel "left" did it allow the Palestinians to fish their coast, much less travel by sea? Did it allow Gazans to travel to seek medical treatment, education etc.?
Border Crossings: Israel controlled Gaza’s land crossings and limited who could enter or exit.
Airspace & Seaport: Israel banned any airport or seaport; Gaza’s airport remained destroyed.
Fishing Limits: Fishermen were restricted to 3–6 nautical miles; violations often met with force.
Imports: Only Israeli-approved goods allowed; many basic and construction items were banned.
Exports: Nearly all exports were blocked, crippling Gaza’s economy.
Population Registry: Israel retained control over birth, death, and ID registrations.
Travel & Residency: Palestinians needed Israeli approval to travel or move between Gaza and the West Bank.
Surveillance & Military: Israel continued aerial surveillance, military incursions, and imposed blockades.
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He is OF the lunatic state.
All you have are cheap shots, which is fine for a coward from behind your computer. Try an academic response once in a while.
This is a web site comments forum, not an academic classroom or journal. Not that your own comments would pass muster on the latter either.
"He is OF the lunatic state."
but lil' piss stain does not speak for it:
the incessantly re-posted talking points – with computer generated and plagiarized text – speak for a war criminal minority.
but it doesn't work in the world, or even for most of israel – where large and increasing majorities demand the war criminal govt. end the war now.
and in the greater world? even in the u.s. – with its fox republicans and evangelical zionists, and slanted news, and powerful Israeli lobby…
…The Netanyahu govt's genocidal speech – and the daily stream of israeli butchery, physical destruction and horrifying gazan suffering – overwhelm the talking points:
except for americans whose first loyalty is to a foreign country – the reality wipes out the justifications – which appear as not just humanly disgusting, but irrelevant.
It is Hamas that has not learned their lesson in their declared war on Israel. Israel has put up weapons blockade if you read the international laws of blockade, which is a legal maneuver with an enemy. Egypt has put up a steel wall to keep Hamas out as well.
Hamas just gets more and more dangerous for Israel, as Israel gets weaker and weaker. It's just the reality. The walls have not stopped the resistance.
Speaking of lunatics.
Hey how’s it go’in billy boy
Blah, blah. Type on for shekels.
Anyone Who openly supports israel is a supporter of genocide. You can twist your facts, tell your half truths and pretend that Israel has tried to work for peace with palestine, but it's literally just an attempt to hide your genocide, I reiterate, your genocide. To defend genocide, makes you a criminal in the eyes of the world. You disgrace the survivors of the holocaust and the tenants of Judaism, you are a zionist, who believes in their god given supremacy…a big f.u. to you and all your zionist scum friends like smotrich and Netanyahu. May be see you all arrested and jailed.
"Anyone Who openly supports israel is a supporter of genocide" and "Anyone who openly supports the Palestinians is against Israel" It called two sides of a coin.
Palestinians are not committing genocide, they are not holding israel in an open air prison, starving children, shooting paramedics, destroying everything. You obviously support israel, and that makes you complicit in genocide. Me, Im guilty of demanding an end to genocide, wanting international law upheld, the Geneva conventions…but nope not you and the other scum of the earth zionist apologist.
"palestinians are not committing genocide"
They tried to.
That's what started the present war.
So is that a justification, your justification to exterminate every child, every single human being? Does that make it ok to execute paramedics? Drs or children?
Seriously, what is your point, other than justification of genocide? Netanyahu and his cabinet deserve a trial at the hauge, followed by a firing squad or hard labor for life…fuck their genocide.
No, it's a justification for fighting back.
As for specific instances, it happens in every war, especially if fought against soldiers who disguise themselves as civilians and live among them.
I don’t see any so called ‘fighting, I see a entirly, 1 sided massacre of mostly women, children and 1st responders. Bombing people living on tents is not a battle, it’s murder.
"I don't see…"
It may be because your favorite news media don't tell you about it.
And check the rising IDF casualty list.
You think it's from women, children and 1st responders?
Obviously there are people fighting back if they can, but by all accounts this is genocide. You can spin it anyway you like, twist tge facts and change the history, this is one of israels greatest strengths…propaganda, but you can’t change the fact that this is genocide and you personally support it. You are progenocide and you take it upon yourself to spread the greatness of israel. Let me guess, your also religious, lol,
Since Oct. 7, '23, 1 out of 10,000 Arabs have died in the fighting.
Call it what you like, that's not genocide.
Hasbara has never been as good as Arab propaganda.
Your own posts, among others, which are mostly the prevailing narrative, are proof of that.
Your "guess" is correct, your assumptions aren't.
Since I mentioned narrative, here's mine:
Hamas is a Jew-killing machine masquerading as a national-liberation movement. It should come naturally to the self-styled radicals of popular culture to condemn this virulently racist, misogynistic, homophobic movement that carried out the worst mass murder of Jews since the Holocaust on 7 October 2023. Yet it doesn’t. Instead, lefties and idiot crooners buy into the lie that Hamas is a resistance movement. They dam- as ‘genocidaires’ not Hamas, but the brave young Jews who fight against it on the tragic battlefield of Gaza.
Welcome to this site, looney. Do all of us a favor and read past posts responding to your propaganda so you guys don't have to recycle the same nonsense over and over again.
Don't recycle the same nonsense, you probably won't get the same retorts.
Your doing just fine with your retorts. They are making israel great again.
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"They are making israel great again."
It's only a blog, ashraf, only a blog.
Nobody's making anything great here.
Israel doesn't need my help. They continue to prosper.
You are so full of shit and are literally a zionist shill spouting hasbara. People like yourself will be remembered as tge generation who destroyed all of Israel’s credibility and ultimately, destroyed israel. Too bad you’re too brainwashed to see beyond your own narrative.
You can't honestly contradict anything in my post, that's why you respond with what I'm full of, and who I am and what I'm spouting.
Well said. @zev_disqus relishes in the insult.
Brilliant! You just described October 7th to a tee. It really brought down Israel to its knees, and in its rage Israel went on a genocidal spree.
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Stop lying. Since Israel and the US tamed Arafat's fatah movement, I've never heard a single Palestinian even say as much, much less take any action.
Genocide was never really on the list. Getting the Zionist boot of occupation of our necks will always be on the list.
Genocide was always on the list.
Anyone who supports the palestinians is a supporter of genocide.
The Palestinians, like the Israelis, are a large group of varying opinions. You’re saying the equivalent of “anyone who supports dining out likes Italian food.”
"The Palestinians, like the Israelis, are a large group of varying opinions."
Agreed, but I referred to "supporters of"
meaning people who had picked a side, ignoring what Palestinians did on Oct 7, 2023.
And I posted this after several others said the same thing.
Why didn't you respond in the same way, to them?
I’m not required to respond to every comment.
I support “Palestinians” and “Israelis” and “Arabs” and “Jews,” because I support humankind.
I do not support ethno-nationalism, because I do not hate humankind.
"I'm not required to respond to every comment."
Or any.
But you responded to this when I said it, quoting someone who had said it before me and I was curious about the reason for the difference. Obviously, you're free to keep it secret.
"I support … because I support humankind."
Platitudes instead of honesty.
The issue here is Israel's right to destroy Hamas and prevent a replay of Oct 7 despite Hamas' use of its own population as human shields.
I'm sure my opponents here would describe it differently, but that's what it is.
"I do not support ethno-nationalism, because I do not hate humankind."
Sometimes the ethnicity creates the nationalism,
sometimes it's the reverse,
but "ethno-nationalism" is what much of humankind seems to want.
Israel subsidized Hamas until (at the earliest) a few years ago.
Hamas conducted the October 7 attack for the express purpose of inviting Israel in as “bad cop” after it wasn’t able to suppress Palestinian street protests against its misrule or suppress dissent by executing its opponents as “Israeli spies.”
A pox on both their houses. My sympathy is with the Israeli and Palestinian victims of both terror groups.
I’m not required to respond to every comment.
I support “Palestinians” and “Israelis” and “Arabs” and “Jews,” because I support humankind.
I do not support ethno-nationalism, because I do not hate humankind.
I’m not required to respond to every comment.
I support “Palestinians” and “Israelis” and “Arabs” and “Jews,” because I support humankind.
I do not support ethno-nationalism, because I do not hate humankind.
You have stumped humanity with this one. It's very plausible that anyone reading your statement will seriously consider converting to Zionism. I just knew there was a master race in you waiting to shine.
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The difference is Israel is an illegitimate construct, and will be dismantled as such.
It's The racism that blinds them. And the irony is they have an inferiority complex and so they have to do a lot of compensating.
Didn't Israel have that since 1948???
According to AFP, an Israeli official said Israel would allow a “window” to reach a hostage deal with Hamas during President Trump’s visit to the region, which will begin on May 13
Maybe Netanyahu can take Trump on a tour through Gaza. See all the sites. Don't get too close to the terrorists though. They shoot anybody. Even if you are the same side and carrying a white flag. But their specialty is shooting children in the head so you might be safe. Also, look out for Hamas.
Please spare me the visual photo op tour by Trump in Israel, surrounded by IDF killers while he throws out some US food packages at the starving Palestinian crowd.
But imagine if one lucky round landed on him and Netanyahu. Makes me all warm and fuzzy. Might even take out a few of the human shield IDF they'd be using to protect their fat asses. 19 months I couldn't have said that. I'm broken.
Not even food packages.
Rolls of paper towel.
Imagine Israel going to War with Iran if they're having this much trouble subduing the Gaza Ghetto.
Or Yemen.
The Houthis have done a pretty good job of killing and starving their own people, as the Yemen civil war has resulted in widespread displacement, with an estimated 4.5 million people internally displaced and over 18 million in need of humanitarian assistance. The conflict has exacerbated an already dire humanitarian situation, leading to food insecurity, malnutrition, and a high risk of famine. –UNHCR, and UNICEF
Well the plan is for their subordinates the USA to do that for them.
Israel has the power and technology to turn Gaza into a parking lot over night. Why do you think the population of Gaza has not decreased after 19 months of bombing? Over 50,000 babies were delivered last year. — You do the math!
You don't need to be a mathemitician to recognize mass murder and genocide!
You don't need to be a mathematician to recognize that no decrease in populations means no mass murder and genocide.
But you do need Mental health services to say the things you say.
It looks like you still haven't reached out for any psychiatric help yet
And in the late 1960s one could have said "Imagine USA going to War with USSRif they're having this much trouble subduing the Vietnam"
Those are very different military situations. Wars are based on achieving a purpose/goal.
In the War in Gaza, a small guerrilla army hides behind women and children, operates out of hospitals, and melts into the population. Israel could simply kill everyone in Gaza and be rid of Hamas – I don't think Trump would mind – but they choose not to. However,, Hamas is in no position to field a large scale attack Israel, although it continues to fire a few missiles. So, the primary aim of preventing another Oct. 7 attack on Israel has been achieved.
As for Iran, the primary objective seems to be preventing them from having nuclear weapons, and so far, this goal seems to be achieved. If Iran moves forward with its nuclear weapons development program, then this would trigger a military attack by Israel and the United States (and maybe some NATO countries). Iran would likely be severely damaged – military and economically – by a combined attack, and they are unlikely to have any support from Russia or China, so the end result would be an Iran that is devastated. What is unknown is whether an attack would cause a surge of support for the corrupt Iranian regime, or whether it would result in a popular uprising that would sweep aside the government. My guess is that the pro-Western, anti-cleric segment of Iranian society is a minority of more educated, affluent Iranians, but I don't have any actual numbers to base that on.
By the way, calling Gaza a "ghetto" is absurd. Israel left Gaza in 2006, after which it was illegally occupied in a violent coup by Hamas, which is not part of the Palestinian Authority (the actual government of Gaza). Further, Israel allowed billions of dollars of aid to reach Gaza, which could have been a peaceful and prosperous region. Instead, Hamas channeled these billions into their own pockets and into military equipment, for the brutal but ultimately senseless violence of Oct. 7, which failed to achieve anything except the destruction of Gaza. It is tragic that Hamas chose hate and war rather than building and peace, but that is what they did and how we got to where we are now.
I can't pretend that I am not happy. If people like you woke up, there would still be time to prolong Israel for another few decades. However, at this rate of stupidity, arrogance and inferiority complex the deterioration couldn't be any faster. Look at any metric and Israel is losing. Just recently a majority of Americans held a negative view of Israel. Just today the freed prisoner of war refused to talk to Netanyahu.
You are absolutely right. Israel is on the verge of complete implosion, and soon will disappear – just like all the other Crusader kingdoms before it. Just keep betting on that.
The Crusader kingdoms lasted a couple of hundred years. And that was due to continued European support and replenishing supplies. Already Israel is losing support in the West. However, forget that. Jews themselves are not convinced of the state –anti Zionists who know right from wrong and people like you who know they're wrong but lack moral clarity.
Your statements are absurd.
I don't "know I'm wrong" nor lack moral clarity, and you certainly haven't proven you have any moral clarity, as you support Hamas, a group that illegally occupies Gaza, promotes lies taken directly from Nazi Germany and Adolf Hitler, steals billions from its people, tortures and murders dissenters, murders PA members, and promotes violence against civilians.
As for Israel's future, one never knows, but they have a growing economy, an educated population, a long life expectancy, nuclear weapons, and the backing of the word's largest military. Former threats like Jordan, Egypt, Syria, the PLO and others no longer are threats. But you can dream on, as many do.
Bad comparison.
Christians came to conquer, Jews came to live.
Crusaders built fortresses, Zionists build cities.
The Children of Israel, the Land of Israel, and the Torah of Israel belong
one to the other.
Your own scripture says it.
If you don't think scripture says Jews came to conquer, you haven't read scripture.
If you think scripture says Jews come to conquer, since the time of Joshua and the conquest of Canaan, you haven't read scripture.
Haven’t read Kings and Chronicles, huh?
Give me chapter and verse, I'll tell you what I think.
I don’t have any great interest in being your Vacation Bible School teacher.
As you wish, but what happened to the confidence implied in your previous post?
It’s not like the Bible is difficult to find. I simply pointed you to the sections of it with the content you pretend doesn’t exist. That doesn’t require much in the way of “confidence.” If you can’t be bothered to read it, reading it to or for you doesn’t magically become my job.
"pointed you to the sections"
You pointed to two large double books.
I can't tell you why I agree/disagree with you if I don't know just what you're referring to. Your refusal to tell me makes the impression that your confidence has decreased in the face of opposition.
I’m not particularly interested in whether you agree or disagree with me on the question of whether the Bible says what it says. Those two books are full of accounts of post-Joshua conflict between the Hebrews and their neighbors in which God repeatedly tells the Hebrews to take them on by killing everyone who can piss against the wall (that is, adult males) and enslaving everyone else.
My claim was:
"Christians came to conquer, Jews came to live.
Crusaders built fortresses, Zionists build cities."
I was thinking of entering/returning to the land of Israel, not conflict between the Hebrews and their neighbors. I thought the wording made that obvious.
I’m not particularly interested in whether you agree or disagree with me on the question of whether the Bible says what it says. Those two books are full of accounts of post-Joshua conflict between the Hebrews and their neighbors in which God repeatedly tells the Hebrews to take them on by killing everyone who can piss against the wall (that is, adult males) and enslaving everyone else.
And they will probably erect a monument for the Orange Clown for his assistance putting Israel first.
Everything would be emblazoned in gold.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/009aa6dd24d60f25cba6738dab242c7c9f4155732147ce99521aea7ed67a350d.jpg
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"Israeli Government Approves Plan for Full Military Occupation of Gaza."
Which "Israel [is] Calling Up Tens of Thousands of Reservists" to support (AlJazeera on Antiwar, 5/4)
Question: given the failing legitimacy not only of the now deeply unpopular war, but of the reviled Netantahu government – how will the masses of new draftees react?
"It is becoming increasingly legitimate to refuse to report for military service in Israel — and not only among the…left."
("The Israeli army is facing its biggest refusal crisis in decades," +972 – linked in Baroud's Antiwar "How Gaza War Has Exposed Fault Lines Among Israeli Elites")
Wellll, I am soooooooooooo surprised.
Gulagesque….
While: Pope Francis's final wish was for one of his popemobiles to be converted into a mobile health clinic for children in Gaza. The vehicle will be equipped with medical supplies and staffed by medical personnel, according to an announcement from Caritas Jerusalem, a Catholic relief organization. The clinic will be deployed to Gaza once humanitarian access is feasible..
WE are what WE DO!
After reading this article, I doubt that Israel will allow that pope vehicle in.
What did he wish for the
Jews, Tibetans, Kurds, Druze, etc…?
I don't think you give a darnn about any if them.
Irrelevant, even if you were right.
He had empathy for humanity.
The peoples I mentioned are not human in his eyes.
Got it.
Certainly you are not one to judge.
And you are?
If they can do that with their shaky reservists… it'd only be on surface…! Hamas still occupies the underground…!
How Britain supported Zionism and prevented Palestinian freedom
https://www.declassifieduk.org/how-britain-supported-zionism-and-prevented-palestinian-freedom/
Israel-Palestine History Didn't Begin—or End—on October 7, 2023
https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/history-didn-t-begin-on-october-7
https://youtu.be/CYfMEKsamEU?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/gTP3ug1DBs0?feature=shared
It Was Never About Hostages. It Was Never About Hamas.
https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/it-was-never-about-hostages-it-was
"It Was Never About Hostages. It Was Never About Hamas."
Of course it was.
Why do you think Gaza made the barbaric attack of Oct. 7?
Why did they kidnap 250 hostages?
“Why do you think Gaza made the barbaric attack of Oct. 7? Why did they kidnap 250 hostages?”
To get Israel to invade and be “worse cop” to their “bad cop” in the hope of being able to come back to power over the Palestinian street that was in the process of overthrowing them as of Oct. 6.
But the planning began years ago.
If October 7 Justifies The Gaza Genocide, What Acts Of Violence Will The Gaza Genocide Justify?
Caitlin Johnstone
https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/if-october-7-justifies-the-gaza-genocide
Gaza Nature Preserve. No people, no buildings, no roads, big fence, big sign, KEEP OUT BY ORDER OF THE IDF. And if germany and the EU don't like it, tell them to go pound salt. End the festivities this year.
The Germans should stop funding Israeli's genocide, after the Americans they fund ca. 30%, they are the last people to fund any war crimes.
Lol. I only see our cousins alone defending Israel. Where are their Christian Zionist buddies?
We have more "buddies" than you think.
You have a surveillance state of gangsters, useful idiots and those controlled by money and power, yes. What you don't have is truth, humility or morality. The bigger they are, the harder they fall.
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OK, so Israel is not a nation of Mother Theresas. But that doesn't make Hamas the "good guys".
It just means there are two ruthless enemies – and one is a US ally, and one is not.
But you have failed to provide any reason why an American or European should abandon a major ally in the Middle East in favor of a terror group, other than you like Hamas.
Plus, when dealing with gangsters, it's illogical to attack them.
The answer is difficult for racists to understand. Being America's ally, foesn't justify genocide. You say America as if its something great. Yes its the world's (waning) superpower. However, it harms humanity not because its has to but because it can. Zionists are doing the same thing. You exploit and harm others for self interest and notions of superiority.
As the occupation gets more and more desperate to maintain its apartheid state –the more brutal the resistance.
However, Hamas has shown far more humanity, justice and honor. Their statements are consistent, their claims are truthful, they treated the captives with dignity. No one is perfect, but you have nothing on Hamas. Yes they can be wily, even vindictive but look in the mirror. If you were fair about what Israel has done to Palestinians you would say if you were a Palestinian you would be a resistance fighter.
Those Hamas "monsters" that carried out Oct. 7th were once children who lived through your mowing of the lawn, bombs, fear, the loss of their families, their dreams to study, travel, etc. all curtailed by Israel. Why? For some racist ideology.
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"you would say if you were a Palestinian you would be a resistance fighter."
Prominent Israelis have indeed said that, but they wouldn't provoke Israel with all kinds of terror and then scream "look what they did to us", after the inevitable Israeli response.
"For some racist ideology."
First cast out the beam out of your own eye; and then you'll see clearly to cast out the mote out of your "cousin's" eye.
You piece of garbage, where do I come off as being a racist? Islam is a faith not a race, ethnicity or nationality. Anyone can become a Muslim today. My ancestors could have been Jews who converted to Islam, and yours could have been Christians who converted to Judaism. There's no compulsion in religion. Islam means submission to God. What's the point of submitting if its by force?
A verse of the Quran says We made into peoples and tribes to get to know one another. The best of you is the most pious of you. Where's the racism in that?
Human beings have been competing against one another since their existence. There is no ideology or religion that has anything on Islam. None of us are perfect, but some of us are worse than others. I can't say that I don't hate your guts, because I do, however, we are taught to justice even against our enemies. Muslims treated Jews well historically. Something you will never admit because of the envy and need to justify the genocide.
And sicko, get off of your trip that we are evil and less than human that we invited your immoral army to use bunker busters, illegal chemicals and other God awful weapons of war against innocent human beings. You acquired them, you pulled the trigger. You are the genocider.
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"Islam is a faith not a race, ethnicity or nationality."
Racism:
Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group.
(Google)
Your comments match the definition,
regardless of what Islam is or your own affiliation with it.
You are a classical imbecile. Here's what Hamas has to say about your definition of racism in their charter.
16. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.
17. Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, anti-Semitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage. The Zionist movement, which was able with the help of Western powers to occupy Palestine, is the most dangerous form of settlement occupation which has already disappeared from much of the world and must disappear from Palestine.
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If any of this was sincere and not window dressing, why did the Hamas charter include – as fact – the famous anti-Semitic publication "Protocols of the Elders of Zion"? And why did it state that "The Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said: "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him."
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/21st_century/hamas.asp
Hamas also says in their charter,
"You may speak as much as you want about regional and world wars. They were behind World War I, when they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains and controlling resources. They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in armaments, and paved the way for the establishment of their state. It was they who instigated the replacement of the League of Nations with the United Nations and the Security Council to enable them to rule the world through them. There is no war going on anywhere, without having their finger in it."
They also say: "The Zionist plan is limitless. After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."
This is a public document, despite your cherry picking and attempt to distort the truth. The charter even recommends that the fight should contain such propaganda.
By the way – it's not working.
To which charter are you referring? The now-void 1988 charter, or the current 2017 charter?
The new one is just window-dressing.
Can you tell us which of the Quranic quotations are longer believed?
Which of the tenets of "resistance" are no longer demanded?
How do we know it’s the new one, not the old one, that’s “window dressing?”
I don’t have any strong opinions on either charter, because I have no reason either charter reflects anything but the same propagandistic self-promotion any other regime engages in with e.g. a “constitution” that it only follows when convenient.
It just seems odd to quote an obsolete/superseded charter rather than a current one.
"How do we know it's the new one, not the old one, that's window dressing?"
The rhetorical questions in the post explain it.
How does the Hamas charter prove that any individual Muslim is not racist?
Individual Muslims can be racist. However, that would go against the teachings of Islam. The racism I am talking about is the kind that allows you to justify the killings of human beings in the name of a superior race. We as human beings have prejudices and discriminate all the time but its not the malicious variety ingrained in Zionists and those who believe in their own superiority over others. Hamas is not fighting Jews because they hate Jews, they fight those who dispossessed them, killed their families and continue trying subjugate our people.
Muslims have treated Jews well.