According to the Associated Press, Washington and Tel Aviv have engaged in talks with three African governments on taking in Palestinians after their removal from Gaza. President Donald Trump has called for the removal of Palestinians from Gaza.
“The contacts with Sudan, Somalia, and the breakaway region of Somalia known as Somaliland reflect the determination by the US and Israel to press ahead with a plan” to permanently remove Gazans from the Strip, the AP reported on Friday after discussions with Israeli and US officials.
Somalia and Somaliland denied the report. Abdirahman Dahir Adan, Somaliland’s Foreign Minister said, “I haven’t received such a proposal, and there are no talks with anyone regarding Palestinians.” Sudan told the AP it had rejected the US and Israeli proposal.
The AP said Trump was offering Somailand recognition of its independence in exchange for taking in Palestinians.
Trump has said that he wants to “clean out” and “take over” Gaza in order to create the “Riviera of the Middle East.” The president explained that the proposal would call for the permanent removal and resettlement of the Palestinians.
Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said last week that Trump’s plan is “taking shape.” He explained that if Tel Aviv expelled 10,000 Palestinians from Gaza per day, that the population would be removed in six months. Smotrich said that Tel Aviv and Washington are working on finding countries to accept the Palestinians.
After the Israeli invasions of Gaza in 2023, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu began seeking African countries to take Palestinians from Gaza. At the time, an Israeli outlet reported that Tel Aviv was in negotiations with Chad and Rwanda to take in the Palestinians.
Trump has said that his proposal calls for building cities for the Palestinians that are so nice they will not want to return to their homeland. However, Sudan is in the middle of a brutal civil war. It appears Trump tried to exploit the conflict by offering the Sudanese military security assistance for its war against the RSF.
One Sudanese official said the conversation was immediately rejected. “This suggestion was immediately rebuffed,” said one official. ”No one opened this matter again.”
Last month, Israel’s Channel 12 reported that Morocco and the Somali-breakaway region Puntland were being considered as destinations to resettle Palestinians.
Kyle Anzalone is the opinion editor of Antiwar.com and news editor of the Libertarian Institute. He hosts The Kyle Anzalone Show and is co-host of Conflicts of Interest with Connor Freeman.
A pox on both their houses!
If they want to stay in Gaza, they should, and, Israel MUST get out.
Not according to trump.
Israel left Gaza in 2006; it was supposed to bring peace.
Instead, it resulted in the illegal occupation of Gaza by Hamas, whose charter expressly called for the complete destruction of Israel. And when billions of aid flowed into Gaza – with Israel's tacit approval – Hamas used that aid purely for destructive purposes, planning and launching the Oct. 7 attack on Israel, which aimed to destroy the nation.
So, Israel did get out of Gaza. They left them alone. The result was the murder of 1,200 Israelis.
In other words – forget it. Hamas had its chance. It blew it. No nation would give them a second chance.
No Israel never got out. It closed its airspace.It controlled it's borders . It controlled its sea coast . Israel uisng western slaves imposed sanctions on Gaza.
False. Israel got out of Gaza, but it closed its borders. Nearly all nations have borders with their neighbors.
Considering that Hamas declared in its charger that its purpose is to destroy Israel, why would they open borders or remove other security restrictions? Should North Korea or South Korea open their borders and airspace? How about India and Pakistan? Of course countries are going to protect themselves from open threats; the failure to maintain that border resulted in 1,300 dead Israelis.
I'm not sure who "western slaves" are; Israel doesn't have any slaves. Egypt also closed their borders with Gaza, because Hamas is a militant part of the Muslim Brotherhood, which also seeks to destroy Egypt's government. And Hamas kidnaps and murders innocent American civilians, so America has no motivation to support Hamas. Does using logic and common sense make the US a "slave"? What an absurd comment. The West imposed sanctions on Gaza after Hamas staged a violent coup and stole the territory from the rightful government – the Palestinian Authority. But apparently you think an organization that illegally occupies Gaza, that tortures and murders its own people, and that acts to destroy a US ally are the "good guys". Suit yourself.
Zionist genocidal evil. No pasarán!
Not a fan of kicking Palestinians out of Gaza. After all 95% were born there. Having said that, if trump kicks them out the three countries that should take them are South Africa, Ireland and Yemen.
If Rump "kicks them out" the only country which should be saddled with their maintenance is the Untied States.
Sure – no Arab countries wants them. They've made that clear for 80 years. Jordan was almost destroyed by Palestinians, in a civil war, and Egypt – the largest Arab nation – is at work with the Muslim Brotherhood and keeps their border with Gaza closed.
However, it is worth noting that population transfers after wars is common. More than 10 million Germans moved after WWII, and population transfers happened after many war – India/Pakistan, North/South Korea, etc.
Weekend Delusionalism in DC & Tel Aviv…!
Israel has a homeland?!… but Palestinians are not equal?!…
Expulsion NO! Inclusion YES!!!
A homeland was offered by the UN in 1947. The Jews said yes, the Arabs said no.
It's not a question of "equality". It's war and history.
No, “the Jews” didn’t say yes. The Zionists said yes. There’s a difference. A considerable number of religious Jews considered the very idea blasphemous, many Jews still don’t support the idea, and only a minority of Jews have chosen to live there.
No, “the Jews” didn’t say yes. The Zionists said yes. There’s a difference. A considerable number of religious Jews considered the very idea blasphemous, many Jews still don’t support the idea, and only a minority of Jews have chosen to live there.
Well, 46% of Jews live in Israel and the number is rising. I don’t know what “many” means, but various surveys show that over 90% of world Jews support Israel
Less than half of them “support” it enough to actually live there even though they’ve been entitled by law to do so for decades.
While it’s true that “Jewish support” for Israel is much higher than “white support” for the Aryan Nations, that doesn’t change the fact that both the Israeli regime and the Aryan Nations falsely claim to “represent” the whole ethnic group.
Less than half of them “support” it enough to actually live there even though they’ve been entitled by law to do so for decades.
While it’s true that “Jewish support” for Israel is much higher than “white support” for the Aryan Nations, that doesn’t change the fact that both the Israeli regime and the Aryan Nations falsely claim to “represent” the whole ethnic group.
Jews for the most part consider themselves to belong to a religion and an ethnic group. If you go to synagogue, you realize that Zion (Jerusalem) is mentioned in every prayer 3 times a day. The connection between the state of Israel and the Jewish people is accepted by the vast majority of Jews. I’m not sure how the Aryan Nations comes into this discussion except by way of trying to make a “clever”, but irrelevant point.
I consider the point that Zionist organizations are to Jews as “white power” organizations are to whites — which is to say that those organizations abuse members of particular ethnic groups as human shields to defend their otherwise indefensible ideologies — quite relevant.
I’m afraid the majority of Jews disagree with you. I’m sure that most whites on the other hand do not believe that Aryan Nations represents them as a group. So you’re half right. You may disagree with the ideology but don’t speak for the ethnic group which that ideology represents. You’re just wrong on the numbers
OK, so you strongly believe 1) in your claim that the majority of Jews are vile ethno-nationalists like the National Socialists in Germany or the Ku Klux Klan in the US and 2) that that is a positive selling point.
I happen to disagree with you on both. No biggie.
A few small changes:
Most Jews believe that they have a historical claim to that land and Zionism is a political ideology that best represents that claim
Yes, I understand your claim that, just like the National Socialists believed they had a claim to e.g. the Sudetenland because of their ethnicity, most Jews are Zionists and therefore believe they have a historical claim to Palestine because of their ethnicity.
I don't agree with your claim that the Zionists are entitled to speak for "the Jews" any more than I agree with the claim that the National Socialists were entitled to speak for "the Germans."
Nor, if I did agree with that claim, would I agree that "see, we're just like the Nazis" is good branding.
1. Who better to decide who should speak for “the Jews” than the Jews themselves? As I mentioned before, the majority, by far, of Jews support the existence of the state of Israel.
2. I’d say something different than you.
“See, we’re just like the Native Americans” is more like it.
Some Jews are Zionists.
Others are not.
Some Jews are anti-Zionists.
Most Jews choose to not live in Israel even though they’re legally entitled to citizenship there, which indicates how strong their “support” for it really is.
Nobody gets to speak “for the Jews.” Every Jew, just like every other kind of person, gets to speak for himself or herself.
And I doubt that many of them would support your attempted branding of Zionism as “like the Nazis, only for Jews” as a positive thing.
Some Jews are Zionists.
Others are not.
Some Jews are anti-Zionists.
Most Jews choose to not live in Israel even though they’re legally entitled to citizenship there, which indicates how strong their “support” for it really is.
Nobody gets to speak “for the Jews.” Every Jew, just like every other kind of person, gets to speak for himself or herself.
And I doubt that many of them would support your attempted branding of Zionism as “like the Nazis, only for Jews” as a positive thing.
The vast majority (over 90%) of Jews are Zionists. It’s true that a few are not and some are anti-Zionists.
People (even Jews)may choose to live where they do for many reasons. In no way does this disqualify them from having a valid opinion about the merits of Zionism as an ideology that best represents their personal beliefs.
You may have doubts about how they feel about Zionism. However, since you are not a member of the Jewish community, perhaps you should allow those who are decide whether it represents them in a positive way.
I agree that someone can have a valid opinion about the merits of Zionism.
A valid opinion of Zionism is that it is a variety of ethno-nationalism not dissimilar in either justification or effect from Hitler’s National Socialism.
I don’t have to “allow” Jews to reject Nazi-like ethno-nationalism. Nor do they need your permission to do so.
I agree that someone can have a valid opinion about the merits of Zionism.
A valid opinion of Zionism is that it is a variety of ethno-nationalism not dissimilar in either justification or effect from Hitler’s National Socialism.
I don’t have to “allow” Jews to reject Nazi-like ethno-nationalism. Nor do they need your permission to do so.
Ok. I’m glad you agree with me
FREE, FREE! Palestine!!!
Meaningless bumper sticker. Go back to Columbia.
What does that even mean?
If you support Hamas, then it means destroying Israel – every inch of which will be under Muslim control.
Or do you mean the "Palestinian people," defined as – what?
Was Yasser Arafat a "Palestinian"? He was an Egyptian, born in Cairo, Egypt, from an Egyptian family. But should Jewish families – who have lived in Jerusalem since the time of the US Civil War – be forced out, to allow an Egyptian to take over the country?
The reality is that such statements are absurd, unless you are a professor of "Middle East Studies and Colonialism" at Harvard.
Israel is free, and even Arab Israelis have more rights and freedoms then those in any Arab countries. Ask the people of Syria – where 100,000 prisoners died under torture – where they would rather live. Or even the people living in Gaza, a territory that is now occupied by Hamas, based on a violent coup, who have no elections or rights; anyone suspected of "collaborating" with Israel is tortured and executed.
How about freeing the people of Gaza from Hamas?
Stop crying. Zionism created this mess, and now they want America to clean it up. That won't happen because people are finally getting a clue as to who the real enemy really is. Everyone in the middle east was far better off before Israel was forced on the region.
As you can't answer some simple questions, I guess no point trying to have an adult conversation.
Before Zionism, many Jews had sought to move back to their homeland since Roman times. Sometimes they were allowed back; other times, they were blocked, or killed. The Crusaders massacred Jews and Muslims equally.
When control of the area went from Ottoman to British control, the British allowed more Jewish immigration. Some of Palestinian Arabs welcomed the immigrants, some of them opposed them.
By the 1930s, the Jewish economy of Mandatory Palestine was starting to eclipse the Arab economy, so this created a lot of friction, including violent confrontations.
After WWII, the British wanted to end their mandate and separate the two warring factions. The Palestinian Jews agreed to the partition but many Palestinian leaders and regional Arab leaders opposed the plan, so they chose to settle the issue by war instead of peaceful negotiations.
So, you blame Israel for winning a war they didn't want? Or for not being exterminated in subsequent wars and attacks?
That is not a rational viewpoint.
"The contacts with Sudan, Somalia, and the breakaway region of Somalia known as Somaliland reflect the determination by the US and Israel to press ahead with a plan” to permanently remove Gazans from the Strip, the AP reported on Friday after discussions with Israeli and US officials." Same problems again. Start sleeping with the dog, wake up with the dog. Like Egypt,and Jordan these countries normalized with a devil .Now the devil after extracting many other benefits ,wants to destroy these countries.
Hey ! Did not the whole idea of referendum on Sudan in 2006 or 2007 emerge from this Israel and their quislings in west over the same issues that Israel has been violating?
I have a bridge on the moon to sell Trump.
Israel has the right to exist?!…. So DO Palestinians!!!
How Nazi-esque!!!
No country has the "right" to exist; nations are created by wars and treaties.
In the case of Israel, a bunch of mostly European nations proposed a plan for the British Mandate. Many of these countries no longer exist, and no Muslim or Arab countries approved of the plan.
This resulted in the war in 1947-48. The side that supported an Israeli state won, the combined Arab armies lost. That's pretty much the whole story.
"Palestinians" declared they were a state in 1988; some people recognize this state, others do not. For one thing, what is a "Palestinian"? Was Yasser Arafat – the founder and leader of the PLO – a Palestinian? But he was born in Cairo, Egypt, to an Egyptian family. He severed in the Egyptian army, and even spoke Arabic with an Egyptian accent. So – who is a Palestinian?
“The Jews” did not win in 1948. A group of people pretending to represent “the Jews” did. There’s a difference.
A Palestinian is someone who lives in Palestine, or the region formerly known as Palestine, depending on one's geographic ideas. Those people had homes, land, farms, trees, and lives which are all being snuffed out by Israel as they rampage through the region to create a greater Israel by again stealing other people's and nations territory. If this goes on, in the future the Zionist will deny the countries conquered by American taxpayers' money and Israel's good looks have 'never existed' as they now regard Palestine.
Sure, so Yasser Arafat – the head of the PLO – was a Palestinian, right? Except he was an Egyptian, born in Cairo, Egypt, to an Egyptian family. He served in the Egyptian army. So – what was he?
David Ben-Gurion — the first prime minister of Israel — was an Israeli, right? Except he was a Pole, born in Plonsk, Poland, to a Polish family. So — what was he?
As for Arafat’s family being Egyptian, his father was from Gaza and his mother was from Jerusalem.
Yes, Ben-Gurion was an Israeli. Israeli is a nationality, and the nationality is defined by its members and its laws.
According to Palestinians, Palestinian identity is based on the father, following the principle of jus sanguinis (right of blood). Arafat's father was born in Gaza, from an Egyptian father, so technically he was not a Palestinian, so his son wouldn't be either, because his father was not a Palestinian, based on their law.
But the question was whether he is "indigenous", which means a native or original people. There is no evidence that he (or any Palestinians) are indigenous people. Self-definition does not change historical reality. Maybe some genetic testing would show some links to the past, but that is just hypothetical.
And I've said the issue is irrelevant. The nation of Israel was settled by war in 1948. Some Arab/Muslim nations accept this (Jordan, Egypt, UAE, Algeria, maybe Saudi Arabia), others do not (Iran, Yemen, Syria (?), Lebanon, Malaysia, Indonesia, Sudan, Somalia). So it goes.
Ben-Gurion helped found a state (Israel) of which he was a citizen, even though he was born in a different state.
Arafat helped found a state (Palestine) of which he was a citizen, even though he was born in a different state.
If I had to bet money, I’d bet that most Palestinian Arabs have at least a good a claim, if not better, to an ancestral link to the area those two states are located in, than do most Palestinian Jews aka Israelis. But I’m not going to go down that rabbit hole since it tends to lead to the guidelines-violating (not my call) “Jews I don’t like aren’t REALLY Jews” stuff.
“The Jews” did not win in 1948. A group of people pretending to represent “the Jews” did. There’s a difference.
I disagree, as the Middle East is very divided by ethnic identification. In British Mandatory Palestine, people had identification cards that said which "group" they belong to, and in Lebanon today, their constitution mandates a specific religious distribution in key government positions, with the President being a Maronite Christian, and other positions reserved for Christians.
In 1947, the population in British Mandatory Palestine was divided into Palestinian Jews, Palestinian Arabs, Palestinian Christians, and Palestinian Druze.
UNR 181 – which you seem fond of quoting – offers to create a "Jewish state" and "an Arab state".
However, if you prefer Palestinian Jew, I won't argue.
As for pretending, how about Yasser Arafat, who pretended he was born in Jerusalem? He was actually born in Cairo, Egypt, to an Egyptian family.
And isn't all identity to some extend pretending?
From the river to the sea
Palestine will be free
it wont occur today
it wont happen tomorrow
but it will
one day
Check their dna
they've been here
longer than anyone
and you cant steal
the spirit of this land
it lies far deeper than your iniquity
The abyss is mighty
have no doubt
two peas in a pod
armed psychopaths'
seem to have all the cards
Yet
you never could or will conquer
you cant steal it all
a price for your evil
is the loss of your soul
From the river to the sea
Palestine will be free
guaranteed
your bombs and horror
cannot defeat
the will of the Palestinian People
ever…
Ever Hear?
Ever hear of the Madagascar plan?
If you read your history book
you might remember
too few do
sigh
Ever learn of the Trail of Tears?
my sister in law did
They were kin
and she cant forget
never will
Me?
i'm just a bit of blackfeet
it happened to us too
from the great lakes
forced to relocate
to places not quite as nice
Then
there was a ship
ms st louis
937 human beings
proving a point
who let them port?
no one
back to where they came
most were murdered
in nazi camps of extermination
i know
i know
that was then
this is now
that could never
ever
happen today
we dont do or allow
stuff like that anymore
Yet,
it is
it does
right now
today
a city on the hill
and a pariah in palestine
sauron and gollum
salivating
Round them up
starving and thirsty
ship them off
to the worst they can find
dump them off
is the plan
Mordor
is now ruler of the globe
this fine blue dot
all those who dissent
are in deep trouble
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8ed1f3c414f70cceeb87451d83b82e953976dac48d5ecd5431d6608f7912cc0d.jpg They will come for you
they will come for me
for their time is short
and they still have much to do
“GENOCIDE IN GAZA with ISRAELI RAPES.
Even on the CHILDREN”. Chilling UN Dossier.
Terrifying Accuses over war crimes by Netanyahu's Army supported by Zionist Trump. https://vtforeignpolicy.com/2025/03/genocide-in-gaza-with-israeli-rapes-even-on-the-children-chilling-un-dossier/
"On Thursday, some senior human rights investigators who reported to the United Nations Human Rights Council said that sexual and gender-based violence by Israeli security forces against Palestinians, including children, has been increasingly used “as a method of warfare” after the attacks of 7 October 2023 that triggered the war in Gaza".
Russia ,Sweden,Canada and US would soon be considered to transplant Arabs displaced by Eretz Israel .
Greater Israeli project- a Talmudist fanatical terroristic plan imposed on secular world all the while , asking and praising secularism for others and hiding genocidal racist religious fervor of itself.
( https://www.globalresearch.ca/netanyahu-seeking-implement-greater-israel/5868590 )
So, seeking to enlarge your territory – as nearly every nation wants – is a "Talmudist fanatical terrorist plan"?
Is that you, Mel Gibson? Or just a compulsive Storm Front reader?
I guess you agree with Hamas, as they has the exact same perspective – even linking to the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" in their original charter. No surprise, as the Muslim Brotherhood (of which Hamas is part) was directly supported and coached by the Nazi government. The Muslim Brotherhood translated "Mein Kampf" into Arabic and still distributes it today. But you already know that.
Learn, educate, and hone the skill of analyizing. Did you learn anything from current genicidal behaviors of Israel and from the pressures it has exerted on the west to carry out the genocidal plan and to expel the indigenous people to countries that it claims to be friend for? Zionist collaboraated for years with Nazi. Zionist has created lies about Muslim Britherhood . Projection is in the DNA .
dna one and all from the river to the sea and allow only semites first right citizenship
Your claims lack any evidence or sources to defend them – just more bumper stickers.
1. As for facts, there are 14 million Palestinians. Israeli Arabs have the longest life expectancy in the Arab world. The Palestinians who died in urban warfare – started and continued by Hamas – were less than 0.2 percent of Palestinians. Yet, you call numbers – typical of wars – "genocide"? That lacks any credibility, which is why even Arab nations are not backing Hamas.
2. Arabs are not "the indigenous people". That is a crude attempt to make them the same as Native Americans or Australian Aborigines. They're not. Arabs conquered the area (which was Christian), after the Romans conquered the area. Later, the Arabs reconquered the area from the Crusaders, then the Turks conquered the area, then the British. The area became part of various empires (Roman, Byzantine, Islamic, Mamluk, Mongol, Persian, Turkish, British) but was never an independent nation; so, Palestinians are not "indigenous" in any sense; they are the remnants of failed empires. Most Palestinians can trace their families to immigrants from Syria (in the West Bank) and Egypt (in Gaza, like Yasser Arafat's father, who was from an Egyptian family). So, your terminology is false and has no basis in reality.
3. It's a common lie that Zionists "collaborated" with Nazi Germany. Zionist organizations sought to save Jews from murder by the Nazis, so they worked with the government of Germany. The government from 1933 on was controlled by the Nazis, so the entire world worked with Nazis when dealing with the Germany government. That is not the same as your implication that somehow Zionists were aligned with the views and goals of Nazi Germany. Saving Jews and exterminating Jews are not the same thing.
However, many Palestinians openly supported Adolf Hitler and the aims of Nazi Germany, such as the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (and future mentor of Yasser Arafat), al-Husseini, who toured Nazi death camps and recruited Muslims for the SS Death Squads.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini
You also have the Muslim Brotherhood, which was supported by Nazi Germany. The MB translated "Mein Kampf" into Arabic and supported its distribution.
https://worldcrunch.com/culture-society/mein-kampf-and-the-nazi-role-in-arab-anti-semitism
Clearly the Zionists had two aims: to save the lives of Jews in Germany and Europe, and to achieve a homeland for the Jews. Neither of these goals aligned in any way with Nazi Germany. Either you know that and are deliberately spreading misinformation or you are simply not aware of the truth.
The PEZ may be just an allegory, but the quotes from the rabbinical texts are genuine. Now, can't you see why things are the way they are? You can, but won't admit it.
"Yahweh gave the Israelites the right to “destroy them (other peoples) with a mighty destruction until they be destroyed”. (Deuteronomy 7:23) So it goes in Gaza, West Bank, and now Syria.
Let's be clear what you are saying – you, like Hamas, Goebbels, and Hitler, are supporting the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" – a notorious anti-Semitic document that is well-known as a fake, and which was promoted by Nazi Germany.
And using a vague quote from the Bible – written thousands of years ago – is absurd.
You are proving my point.
"And using a vague quote from the Bible – written thousands of years ago – is absurd."
Interesting — so you don't accept the biblical historical claim for the "homeland?"
Aside from the Bible, there is overwhelming evidence of Jewish Kingdoms in the Levant. However, having an ancient homeland is more of an emotional connection, not one pertaining to international law.
However, the Jewish Kingdoms clearly pre-date the Arab conquest (635 AD), so claims that people who self-identify as "Palestinian" were "indigenous people" lacks any support.
Also, the meaning and significance of "indigenous people" are not well-defined. It is usually used as short-hand for people who were defeated by Europeans.
For example, the Hopi Indians of the American Southwest arrived first; then, the Navajo arrived, and they were attacked the Hopi. In many areas the Hopi were defeated by the Navajo Indians. So – who are the indigenous people? Are the Navajo somehow morally superior to the Americans, although they took land away from the Hopi? And was the Aztec empire morally superior to the Spaniards, despite both being brutal imperialist empires that defeated earlier people?
Because I didn't learn about history at Harvard, I prefer to keep things simple: nations are formed by wars and treaties. "Good guys" and "bad guys" are personal; I think the "good guys" won in the US Civil War and in WWII. Others are free to disagree.
The “Arab conquest” does not imply that a bunch of new people replaced the old people. It just means that people speaking Arabic and practicing Islam conquered the area. There are presumably Arabs, Jews, and Jewish Arabs living in Palestine who can trace their ancestry there back to the time before Arabic and Islam became the prevailing language and religion.
That said, I’m not big on the attempts to parse who are and who aren’t “indigenous people.”
I’m also not big on the “homeland for ethnic group X” stuff. I heard plenty of that from my cousin who was in the Ku Klux Klan, and later more radical “white nationalist” groups, when we were younger.
Yes, the conquest of Jerusalem by the Rashidun Caliphate – taking the area from the Byzantines (Christians) – was a conquest without a large change in population. This supports the original point that today's Palestinians were not "indigenous" in the sense of Australian Aborigines (Indigenous means "inhabiting or existing in a land from the earliest times or from before the arrival of colonists". They were colonists.) The growth in the Arab populations in the Levant was gradual.
When the Crusaders conquered the area, they were known for slaughtering everyone they could find – Muslim or Jew – such as the Sack of Jerusalem in 1099. In some cases, Muslims and Jews fought together to defend cities from the Crusaders, such as in the Siege of Haifa.
As for people who can trace their ancestry in the Levant to before 635 AD, that is possible but unlikely, although in Muslim culture some names indicate that Mohammad was an ancestor – Sayyid (descendant of the Prophet through his daughter Fatima and Ali's sons) and "Hashemite" (descendant of the Prophet's great-grandfather, Hashim).
There are also genetic tests that can determine ancestry. These show that many people who identify as Jewish or Arab (or Israeli or Palestinian) have common ancestors; but if you go back far enough, we all do; every human alive is descended from a man and a woman who lived in East Africa 200,000 years ago.
As for parsing indigenous people, that is only significant if being indigenous has some significance, either legally or morally.
I never advocated a homeland for Group X; I just recognize that various people want a homeland, which is also an unclear term. Do you support the United States as a homeland, or do you feel that all international borders are a form of oppression that should be ended? There are some on the left who do not support enforcement of US borders, and feel that people should be allowed to come and go as they please, without restrictions.
Also, do you oppose a "homeland" for the Adivasi? Ukrainian people? The Kurdish people? The Rohingya people? Romani? Igbo? Uyghur? Zulu? The Maya? All, or none?
As for your cousin in the KKK, I would assume he follows the same viewpoints as the Confederacy, which was based on unscientific racial theories. People are free to believe anything they want, but in the United States, our legal system is based on the US Constitution, which does not distinguish between people based on race, religion, or creed.
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Yes, the conquest of Jerusalem by the Rashidun Caliphate – taking the area from the Byzantines (Christians) – was a conquest without a large change in population. This supports the original point that today’s Palestinians were not “indigenous” in the sense of Australian Aborigines (Indigenous means “inhabiting or existing in a land from the earliest times or from before the arrival of colonists”. They were colonists.) The growth in the Arab populations in the Levant was gradual.
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No, it misses the point. The point is not that a bunch of Arabs moved to Palestine. It’s that over time, a bunch of Palestinians — descended from the prior population — became Arabs.
How morally sick do you have to be to not see ethnic cleansing and genocide as the WRONG way to "enlarge your territory"? As for Hamas…it wouldn't be necessary to have such groups if there was nothing for them to rebel against. But Israel's land theft and slow genocide has been going on for 75 years. Hamas is just the most recent group to fight that monster. Eliminate it, and others will follow as long as Israel's reckless slaughter continues.
Your utter lack of information and superficial analysis are the problem, not my "morality".
1. Gaza was ethnically cleansed – by Hamas. Gaza has been a center of Jewish institutions since Roman times; but Israelis left in 2006, and no Jews allowed.
Claims of "genocide" are fine for low IQ Harvard or Columbia students, but they have failed to convince anyone. Israeli Arabs actually live quite well; in fact, they have the longest life expectancy in the Arab world. Palestinians in Jordan are at peace with Israel. As for the deaths in Gaza, they are typical of wartime fatalities. It is impossible to fight an urban war without casualties. The same numbers were found during the US invasion of Europe; in fact, after D-Day, there were 20,000 civilian casualties in France. Did the US commit "genocide" against the French people? Of course not.
War is brutal and terrible, which is why you don't start one by attacking your more powerful neighbor. Even North Korea is more responsible than Hamas.
There is no justification for Hamas, and your description is completely detached from reality. Hamas is part of the Nazi-trained Muslim Brotherhood; even other Arab nations do not support them, which is why Egypt closed their borders with Gaza after the violent coup by Hamas, which took over Gaza.
There are 14 million Palestinians, so the "slow genocide" is a false claim.
Israel is at piece with people who don't attack them, such as Jordan and Egypt. They even left Hamas alone until Oct. 7, when Hamas took the millions of dollars in aid they receive to launch a war. They could have simply agreed to peace, and Israel would have left them alone to prosper, but they chose violence and murder instead.
Read the Hamas charter; it not only attacks Israelis, but all Jews, using anti-Semitic and Nazi propaganda. You may blame Israel for everything, but before there was an Israel, the Muslim Brotherhood had embraced Nazi Germany; they translated "Mein Kampf" and "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" into Arabic; and Hamas included the Protocols in their forming charter.
Hamas – ISIS – Al-Qaeda – they are all the same. People use the same language to blame the US for 9/11. Is that your view, as well?
Read the Hamas charter. I assume you have no problem with any of it.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/21st_century/hamas.asp
The Palestinians have launched multiple wars and rejected multiple peace plans. At what point do they realize that there are consequences to such bad behaviour?
Thats another lie or another series of lies promoted by controlled press .
This is so revolting that nothing Trump does from here on can compensate for this abhorrent violation of human rights and common decency. If this "plan" goes through, Israelis can forever forfeit any recourse to the "Holocaust" to claim victim status, and Africans can forget any demands for retribution for the slave trade, since they will be repeating the same historical abuses. This is beyond the pale — and Europe, besotted by Ukraine, is of course going along for the ride.