Steve Witkoff, the US special envoy for the Middle East, said Thursday that President Trump’s latest ultimatum against Hamas, which included a threat against the “people of Gaza,” came after the US didn’t like what it heard in direct talks with the Palestinian group.
Witkoff and other US officials have confirmed that the US has engaged directly with Hamas for the first time through Adam Boehler, President Trump’s special envoy for hostage affairs.
“Unfortunately, what we learned is that Hamas told us they were going to be thinking about it a certain way… That’s important information for us to have. And so came the tweet from the president,” Witkoff told reporters at the White House.
The Times of Israel reported on Thursday that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was unhappy about the direct US-Hamas talks and that the negotiations have hit a “snag” following the leak to the media. The talks were first reported by Axios reporter Barak Ravid, a former IDF intelligence officer. Israel wasn’t fully briefed about the talks ahead of time, and Ravid’s report said Israel learned about the details “through other channels.”
The focus of the US-Hamas talks has been on the release of the bodies of four Israeli hostages held in Gaza who have US citizenship and a US citizen who is believed to be alive, 21-year-old Edan Alexander, who grew up in New Jersey and moved to Israel after high school to join the Israeli military.
In his ultimatum to Hamas, Trump said the group would be “over” and the “people of Gaza” would be “dead” if the hostages weren’t released immediately. The threat came after Trump hosted Israelis who were previously held hostage in Gaza.
Witkoff said that the US was still open to “dialogue” with Hamas but said if it didn’t work, “then the alternative is not such a good alternative for Hamas.” He also hinted at potential military action if they didn’t free the hostages and leave Gaza. “It’s not clear exactly what’s going to happen. Some kind of action will be taken. It could be jointly with the Israelis, it’s not clear right now,” he said.
“They’re not gonna be a part of the government there, everyone understands that. If they understand that, they have a path to leave,” Witkoff added.
When asked to elaborate on what he meant by “joint Israeli action,” Witkoff said he meant Israel taking action with US support. “Any action really principally comes from the Israelis. But you heard the president say yesterday he’s giving the Israelis anything they need. So, it’s the Israelis but with very, very strong physical and emotional support from the US,” he said.
Hamas responded to Trump’s latest threat on Thursday, saying it complicates the ceasefire process. “These threats complicate the ceasefire agreement and encourage Israel to evade its commitments,” said Hamas spokesman Hazem Qassem. “Hamas has fulfilled all its obligations under phase one, but Israel is refusing to move to phase two. The US administration must pressure the occupation to engage in negotiations for the next phase, as outlined in the agreement.”
Hamas also said that the “best path to free the remaining Israeli hostages” is through negotiations on the second phase of the ceasefire deal.
Israel violated the initial deal by refusing to enter talks on phase two and has imposed a total blockade on all goods entering Gaza to pressure Hamas to accept its new terms, which involve more hostages being freed without a full Israeli withdrawal and commitment to a permanent truce. The US has backed Israel’s collective punishment of the civilian population in order to pressure Hamas.
It looks like Israel is going to get everything it wants from Trump.
He is as good/bad as Biden, nothing has changed, the same goal, just the political style.
There is some change. There was a defection among Democrats regarding Gaza. That's not the case with Trump. The majority supports Trump in genocide and taking over Gaza and to let Israel expand even further for the US to have more power in the Middle East.
a tiny forgettable defection, they did not risk any political capital.
Trump is bombastic…
Thanks Donna. I never tire of that.
https://www.brooklynbowl.com/blog/detail/15-amazing-songs-that-symbolize-world-peace
Imperialism.
The U.S. / Israeli terms, 'give us back all of our prisoners and then we kill you'
The Zionists tell Trump what Hamas has to do, namely to roll over and surrender, and Trump may call it his negotiated accomplishment.
That's EXACTLY what I expect will happen. It's only the slightly negative PR generated if the IDF killed remaining hostages, that prevents the IDF from just blanketing Gaza with a heavier-than-air nerve gas and bulldozing the surface with no regard for what's in the catacombs below.
I'm reading this to mean Trump's raving at the innocents was directed at Hamas in an effort not just to get them to give up governing but also “leave” so that he could then claim he is the hero that solved the problem. The Arab League deal could then proceed (with Gaza residents staying in Gaza) and onward to the Nobel Prize. But this seems absurd. Hamas would “leave” to what or where? And Netanyahu would be pissed at this delay in the ethnic cleansing and greater Israel project. This could be why Net is “disturbed.” Meanwhile the cover narrtive is that the inevitable renewed violence is all Hamas' fault.
Trump at least should know enough that Hamas is going nowhere. Hamas is the Palestinian people's leadership not the PA and Abbas on the WB.
He should know this historical fact, you're right. But his wildness opens up a lot of possibilities . . .
and uncertainty, he can't be trusted and he is vindictive. All adds up negative.
Apparently, Trump is attracted to dealing with Hamas behind Net's back and is considering the Arab deal, which replaces Hamas with the Palestine Authority (PA). This is causing Net to be disturbed. This turbulence is good, I think.
Israel flat-out rejected the Arab states' post-war plan on Tuesday, but there are small signs that it could be in for turbulence with the Trump administration.
The White House said on Wednesday it had entered direct talks with Hamas on captives in Gaza, breaking a long-standing policy of Republican and Democratic administrations to boycott the group, which is listed as a US terrorist organisation.
Trump already jolted the US establishment by starting talks with Russia, and Trump advisor Elon Musk reportedly met the Iranians last year.
His brutal speech threatening all Gazans is seen as a negotiating tactic directed at Hamas, which says this sort of behavior is not helpful. The PA deal on Hamas is brief but suggestions they should “leave” and be replaced are part of what Trump wants. Hamas refuses to give up its arms and is maintaining the original Jan 19 deal should be kept on. Apparently, it is willing to yield its governing function but how it would "leave" is vague.
More at:
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/arab-states-trump-pivots-stops-talking-gaza-starts-speaking-hamas
The PA are Israeli stooges, they serve the Israelis authority on the WB, there is no HAMAS on the WB. The Palestinians support Hamas and not the Abbas' PA.
Yes, the PA has this background and is relevant here only because of the Arab deal proposed last Tuesday, coming from Egypt, which suggested PA should govern with its old leader (Abbas I think the name is) retired. This deal has been called "underwhelming." It seems unrealistic but it's possible Donald thinks it has possibilities for him to exploit.
The Donald should know better, there is no excuse for him not to know.
I agree and I am only speculating on a possibility. It's interesting that he broke protocol going behind Net's back to try to take over on the hostage delay including the young American. This is what led to his ranting threat last Wednesday. I'm thinking there might be more to it than just the hostage delay. And what is the answer to the Hamas "thinking about it a certain way" mystery from Witkoff? This is claimed to have led to his barbaric tweet.
And what is the answer to the Hamas "thinking about it a certain way" mystery from Witkoff?
“They’re not gonna be a part of the government there, everyone understands that. If they understand that, they have a path to leave,” Witkoff added.
I'm guessing Hamas doesn't agree with Witkoff's assessment.
I think the Hamas people are calm and realistic and rational, they do act with common sense considering the circumstances and living conditions they and their families have to endure.
From Trump and Netanyahu it is turbulence and irrational talk, lies and propaganda and hubris, after all it is easy to drop bombs on civilians, women and children living in ragged tents, dealing with hunger and malnourished, starving children, and Trump sees nothing wrong with it.
It would be good to get Dave DeCamp's idea on this mystery. He quotes Witkoff:
“Hamas told us they were going to be thinking about it a certain way.That’s important information for us to have. And so came the tweet from the president.”
Not clear what the it refers to in Dave's article. The new speeded up hostage negotiations? The deal proposed by the Arabs last Tuesday? Negotiations transfer from Net to Trump/Witkoff?
Or Ashraf Nubani's idea above? Hamas “has been reassured by its allies that if a war starts up, new added military attacks will be inflicted upon Israel.“
I have picked up from MEE that Hamas has agreed it could stop governing Gaza. They did NOT agree to lay down their arms.
The it may be clarified by the link below from this morning's Hindustan Times. That is, that the deal pissing Net off is to extend phase 1 50 days and resume supplies into Gaza. But Hamas has turned it down and wants to resume the Jan 19 deal into Phase 2, which includes ceasefire and withdrawal of IDF. This stance brought on Trump's response in the midst of his celebrating his contact with the visiting hostages and his goal to get the young American guy free. Does this really explain it? Maybe.
Recommended: turn the sound off. This is about four minutes long.
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nSFxahIlOo
I think you are right, I just think that the Donald is irrational and unpredictable and uninformed and too lazy to get informed convinced by his hubris not to need it.
Part of the Palestinian problem is the inability to develop organic leadership of any quality or stature. The PA is basically an Israeli quisling institution, while Israel funds Hamas as the violent gangster-style counterweight to the PA.
The Israelis, the PA, and Hamas would all act ruthlessly to kill off any emerging Gandhi or MLK type who might actually get effective resistance going, because all three benefit from the current arrangement.
There is a list of leaders, negotiators Israelis have assassinated and the Palestinians and Arabs had trained leaders ready to replace them.
But the very idea to assassinate diplomatic negotiators tells a lot about the criminally insane Israelis and Americans, that includes Trump during his first term.
It would be interesting to see if this traditional view of Hamas has changed any in the last few years as it took advantage of favors to increase its military power. Then Oct 7 changed it all. Plus interesting to know what ordinary people of Gaza think of it. Savior or exploiter/victimizer of themselves?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blowhn-up-in-our-faces/
That is selling Palestinian civil society short. This brutal occupation has been going on for over 70 years in plain site of the world. The Palestinians resisted in every possible way they could. The overwhelming majority of it was non violent. Israel has been assassinating its leaders for decades.
Hamas was formed 40 years after Israel was established and 20 years after 1967, and out of a response to the ever growing brutality of the Israelis. Hamas is popular because its a resistance movement. It took it 20 years to decide to participate in elections. Even now it says its willing to step down from ruling Gaza. Hamas has repeatedly asked for the release of Marwan Barghouthi who would potentially be the new leader. Israel has refused.
Hamas actually thrives on taking on the role of the mature, principled big brother who is willing to fight for his family.
As for the violence its is undertaken out of necessity, not because violence is intrinsic to Islam or we are just violent people by nature. We were peaceful farmers and city dwellers. By taking the land, displacing us and trying to erase us, some resorted to armed conflict. I am opposed to violence, however, this is legitimate resistance and self defense –as ugly as it is.
As long as people keep misjudging Hamas they will not understand the movement and the conflict. We live in such a cynical world that when plain good is in front of us we can't see it. "Our version of Gandhi" is not what we think. @disqus_KAfPEpsMYs:disqus@renatelittlejohn:disqus@warsrus:disqus
This response answers a lot of my questions.
Support your preferred terror gang if you want. The difference between Hamas and the Israeli regime is the flags they wrap themselves in.
You can’t really believe that
Well, I do bend over backward to be fair.
Quantitatively, the Israeli regime murders far more people, takes/holds far more hostages, and extorts far more victims of far more wealth than Hamas does.
But my assumption is that the quantitative differential is a function of greater capability, not more inherently wicked intent, and that the two are qualitatively the same rather than the Israeli regime being worse.
What do you suppose the people of Gaza think of your demonizing Hamas? I'm asking, Thomas, because an aspect of this conflict (specifically Gaza vs. Zionism) seems to me as yet unclear.
That is, Hamas initiated the current slaughter on October 7. Note this does not mean they started the hostility, which has ancient historical roots. It was a development in the long-standing conflict. But they must have known, as we have witnessed over the decades, that a child plinking a stone from his catapult off an Israeli tank could bring a devastating aerial bombardment, and I don't think that's too much of an exaggeration.
The people of Gaza have subsequently suffered a genocide with slaughtering at levels going back toward Hitler, and truly horrifying. Are they complaining about Hamas in all this? Are they blaming them? And if your blanket write off of Hamas is correct, why aren't they?
What is your view of Gaza's apparent support of Hamas, no matter what is happening?
I doubt that the people of Gaza think about me or my opinions at all. I have no idea why they would.
However, to the extent that I have opinions the people of Gaza might be interested in, I guess the big one would be that, when the Palestinian street rose up against Hamas’s misrule, I supported the Palestinian street rather than Hamas.
And when Hamas’s brutal suppression of Palestinians’ protests, and executions of its Palestinian opponents on the pretext that they were “Israeli spies,” didn’t work and Hamas committed the October 7 attack for the express purpose of bringing in Israel as “worse cop” to save itself, I supported the Palestinians against both Hamas and its spiritual twins in the IDF.
I wasn't asking about what the people of Gaza think of your opinions, Thomas, and am conscious of my own limited knowledge of the history and complexity. Am seeking clarification.
I would like to see more details on what you say here about Hamas as with "suppression of protest" and "brutal suppression," including dates, plus answer to the question:
"Are [people of Gaza] complaining about Hamas in all this? Are they blaming them? And if your blanket write off of Hamas is correct, why aren't they? What is your view of Gaza's apparent support of Hamas, no matter what is happening?"
Yes. Israel is more capable in this regard. But there is no question in my mind that were the situation reversed, the Jews of Israel would be annihilated. And here lies the difference. When my daughter was young, we used to show her DVDs from Israeli children’s TV so that she could learn Hebrew. I recall one day watching with her, and a group of young kids were sitting in a circle on the floor. A dark haired woman entered and said the following:
“And now we will learn a few nice words in Arabic”. Then she started to sing:
“Ahalan wa sahlan”(Arabic for welcome)
“Broochim habayim”(Hebrew for welcome)
“Salaam aleykum”(Arabic for peace be upon you)
“Shalom aleichem”(Hebrew for same)
Etc …
At the same time, on Hamas children’s TV in Gaza, toddlers were shown how an Israeli soldier murders Farfur, a beloved Mickey Mouse character.
I was struck by the contrast in cultures. One culture reveres life and peace while the other promotes martyrdom and death.
““If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel”
-Golda Meir
I respect your consistency as an anarchist, but I think your perspective is unrealistic given the world we live in. Ideals like pacifism and statelessness may sound appealing, but they are neither practical nor attainable. What is attainable is some degree of justice, which is what we seek. Although you equate the oppressed with the oppressor, you do no harm to our cause but sell yourself short.
I don’t support Hamas blindly—I support its Islamic agenda. If it deviated from Islam, I would withdraw my support, but I won’t condemn it simply because it operates in an impossible situation where violence occurs. You know their martyrdom operations began in response to the Hebron massacre, that they abandoned the tactic, amended their charter, and treated captives humanely. Yet, you will always reject any good in them because they don’t conform to your worldview.
This may not mean much to you but this excerpt from an op ed penned by Dr. Mahmoud Al-Zahar –one of the founders of Hamas– in the Washington Post on April 16, 2008 resonates with people of conscience all over the world.
Only three months ago I buried my son Hussam, who studied finance at college and wanted to be an accountant; he was killed by an Israeli airstrike. In 2003, I buried Khaled — my first-born — after an Israeli F-16 targeting me wounded my daughter and my wife and flattened the apartment building where we lived, injuring and killing many of our neighbors. Last year, my son-in-law was killed.
Hussam was only 21, but like most young men in Gaza he had grown up fast out of necessity. When I was his age, I wanted to be a surgeon; in the 1960s, we were already refugees, but there was no humiliating blockade then. But now, after decades of imprisonment, killing, statelessness and impoverishment, we ask: What peace can there be if there is no dignity first? And where does dignity come from if not from justice?
Our movement fights on because we cannot allow the foundational crime at the core of the Jewish state — the violent expulsion from our lands and villages that made us refugees — to slip out of world consciousness, forgotten or negotiated away. Judaism — which gave so much to human culture in the contributions of its ancient lawgivers and modern proponents of tikkun olam — has corrupted itself in the detour into Zionism, nationalism and apartheid.
A "peace process" with Palestinians cannot take even its first tiny step until Israel first withdraws to the borders of 1967; dismantles all settlements; removes all soldiers from Gaza and the West Bank; repudiates its illegal annexation of Jerusalem; releases all prisoners; and ends its blockade of our international borders, our coastline and our airspace permanently. This would provide the starting point for just negotiations and would lay the groundwork for the return of millions of refugees. Given what we have lost, it is the only basis by which we can start to be whole again.
I am eternally proud of my sons and miss them every day. I think of them as fathers everywhere, even in Israel, think of their sons — as innocent boys, as curious students, as young men with limitless potential — not as "gunmen" or "militants." But better that they were defenders of their people than parties to their ultimate dispossession; better that they were active in the Palestinian struggle for survival than passive witnesses to our subjugation.
History teaches us that everything is in flux. Our fight to redress the material crimes of 1948 is scarcely begun, and adversity has taught us patience. As for the Israeli state and its Spartan culture of permanent war, it is all too vulnerable to time, fatigue and demographics: In the end, it is always a question of our children and those who come after us.
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I’m sorry Hamas conned you into believing their guff, and that you seem determined to remain conned.
Pasting the label “Islamic” on a standard-issue authoritarian terror-based agenda doesn’t magically make that agenda non-authoritarian or non-terror-based. Nor does it make that agenda actually Islamic.
I admit I know very little about your worldview. Islam and my worldview are very plainly open. We fundamentally disagree on the use of violence.
I don’t know what your position is on the use of violence. My position on the use of violence is that it’s immoral to use violence other than in self-defense or the defense of innocent others.
What about capital punishment?
What about it?
For or against?
See above. Murdering disarmed captives isn't defense. It's just murdering disarmed captives.
I am talking about the death penalty
So am I.
I got it. Understood. Islam will always be superior in this respect because it balances between human tendencies for justice, retribution and forgiveness. Unlike in the west where the penal code retribuitive only, in Islam it is demonstrably rehabilatative as well. The victim’s family can forgive and/or accept financial compensation. In the US it’s the state that determines the death penalty at times in direct opposition the wishes of the family of the victim.
And what do you make of this? Is it your position that October 7th was an operation to target civilians or a military operation that resulted in "civilians" deaths?
Adding in toward getting perspective:
Hamas: "Our Narrative"
A document I rarely see published, which adds in to this discussion as to what Hamas has evolved to at this point.
https://static.poder360.com.br/2024/01/Hamas-documento-guerra-Gaza-21jan2024.pdf
Of course, why would anyone want to hear from the other side to the conflict. It clearly maps out its positions but the world community is fickle, not powerless.
Did you see my reply? It hasn't appeared.
No no lets just talk about ukraine. my democratic rep sent me a note saying as much,,,arggghh!!
Ugh, you get regular mailers too ? The Conservative Member of Parliament for my riding sends out flyers basically touting his local appearances at craft fairs and grand openings, AND lamenting how the Liberal government keeps a Carbon Tax in place (and doesn't let the Conservatives stifle poor people and other marginalized groups).
Sometimes( ha ha) our repes forget they are simply our Employees and not the other way around…They answer to us!
“Unfortunately, what we learned is that Hamas told us they were going to be thinking about it a certain way… That’s important information for us to have. And so came the tweet from the president,”
Yes, what Witcoff is not telling us is Hamas is sticking to its position because it has been reassured by its allies that if a war starts up, new added military attacks will be inflicted upon Israel. Not from Iran, or just the Houthis but potentially other new fronts in the conflict.
Even if this wasn't the case, Hamas has replenished its man power, and thanks to the Israeli air-force has enough munitions to continue manufacturing their own weapons. I wouldn't be surprised to see rockets being fired from Gaza as well.
Israel's choice is to go in and destroy all of Gaza including its captives which is what Abu Ubeida the military spokesman of Hamas' military brigades alluded to yesterday if Israel decides to restart the slaughter of innocents which is what it is good at doing. In addition, he basically called upon 1.5 billion Muslims in Ramadan to come to the rescue of the Aqsa Mosque and support their brothers and sisters in Gaza.
According to polls, a strong majority of Israelis do not want the war to restart so the captives can be released (not because they care about Palestinian life). Well that's not going to happen if Netanyahu goes back to the massacres.
“…new added military attacks will be inflicted upon Israel. Not from Iran, or just the Houthis but potentially other new fronts in the conflict.”
Hope springs eternal. Iran is defanged, the Houthis are irrelevant, Hezbollah and Syria are out of the picture and nobody else will get involved. Hamas manpower has been replenished with 15 year olds who lack training and arms. Gaza must be disarmed. And one way or the other it will be.
Your "one way or another" has a strong hint of genocide and ethnic cleansing to it.
Oct 7th. Never again. Self-defense. Human shields. Iran…. and of course, HOLOCAUST.
Exactly right. You’re learning
I already learned. You're as predictable as the sunset. And those words are good excuses when you're denying genocide or ethnic cleansing. They're not legitimate excuses though because there are no legitimate excuses.
Hamas kills Israel civilians to get over and above what was offered by Bill Clinton
Why are posting this irrelevant shit? It has nothing to do with justifying Israel's complete disregard for innocent human life because NOTHING does.
Hamas does not have a right to their war. Israel has a right to protect themsevlves . Anytime Israel holds back they are only putting off having to deal with the next attack from Hamas.
Once more justifying Israel's terrorism. And once more falling. Keep repeating it and you'll believe it yourself eventually.
Is Hamas quiting the war? If not then anything Israel does to get Hamas to quit is okay. PERIOD
I already answered that once. There you go repeating yourself again trying to convince yourself it's true. Terrorism is terrorism.
Whatever it takes to get Hamas to quit is justified.
They don’t owe Hamas or any of their enemies any sort of restrait.
It's not Hamas they owe restraint to.
It's civilian non-combatants.
That's not just a moral requirement, it's a practical requirement. Murdering civilian non-combatants guarantees that Hamas, or Hamas's replacement, will enjoy continued existence and increased support.
I have not seen any evidence that Israel acts worse than any mideast country in war , In fact they don’t act worse than other countries in war.
But Israel acts worse when it comes to terrorism. No one can touch them. Not letting any aid in and cutting off water and electricity is something other terror groups can only dream about being able to do. And then to get the superpower's blessing only makes it that much more impressive.
No Israel does not act worse. Israel isn't obligated to give GAZA anything. Hamas can quit their war.
I guess if you just willfully ignore the huge number of noncombatants killed there really isn't much anyone can say. I guess in your mind, that makes you right.
Happens i n most wars . Hamas can quit their war. Otherwise anything goes
They're in a ceasefire that Israel can't keep because stealing other peoples' land wasn't meant to end up with zero land for the victim.
He believes all right.
Whatever Israel does to get Hamas to quit is okay with me . Whatever it takes
Man this is so damning to your cause. Wait for the other 39 reports.
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not impressed with electornic intifadia .
but Hamas is welcome to drop the ceasefire and bring on a full scale air war
Lighten up. I read Israeli media all the time. Most of the damning information about the failing Zionist project comes right from the horse's mouth.
Hamas has been upholding the ceasefire. Israel has not. Israel is in position to resume fighting. It will only get worse for Israel.
Israel is going to knock off Hamas leaders
As I mentioned how is Nassaralah ,
How is Deif?
How is Sinwar?
Ask Assad if Moscow is warmer than Syria .
Do you know Peter Zeihan?
The US is going to beat the CCP
Then it will be the US veruss Russia
One Russia is down
The US will arms race and cold war Iran.
Lets take bets on how that turns out
You are like a drunk challenging everybody in the bar to fight.
I went to a hostile stadium
anyone and everyone is welcome to take this to a neutral venue
Not impressed with Electornic Intiffada
I noticed that Sinwar, Al Deif and Nassaralah are not around anymore and that Assad went down.
Go call it victory
Everyone knows what happened.
You don't have to be impressed by EI. It is a pro Palestine media outlet. However, its professionalism and commitment to facts is way beyond anything you are accustomed to living in the west with the discredited concentrated media.
Israel has been assassinating the Palestinian leadership for decades. It hasn't stopped the resistance but incrementally makes it worse for Israel from intifada 1, intifada 2 and Oct. 7th. It only gets worse for Israel.
Read my article so at least you know what the other side is saying so you can improve your propaganda otherwise, no one will respect your intellect.
https://electronicintifada.net/content/why-west-wrong-about-hamas/50294
"Go call it victory"
What exactly that the nighty Israel backed by the US can't defeat next door Hamas after 15 months of a genocidal war. And can't get captives back except through negotiations. Not much victory in that.
The claim that this is a genocidal conflict is a lie—pure misinformation and disinformation. Gaza’s population has skyrocketed from around one million in 2003 to over 2.1 million today. The Palestinian population has grown by an astonishing seven times since 1948, from 1.4 million to over 14 million. To label this as genocide is not just inaccurate, it’s a deliberate distortion of the truth meant to mislead the world.
Let’s be brutally honest: Hezbollah’s defeat at the hands of Israel is far more consequential than any victory over Hamas. The truth, no matter how much the media tries to ignore it, is that Hezbollah has been systematically dismantled.
Yahya Sinwar, the Hamas leader in Gaza, is dead. He was hunted down and killed by Israel in October 2024 after nearly 400 days. Meanwhile, Hezbollah’s so-called “leader” Hassan Nasrallah was wiped out in a precise Israeli airstrike on September 27, 2024, when the headquarters he was hiding in was reduced to rubble. He died, not from a missile, but from inhaling toxic fumes—an ignoble death for a man who thought he was untouchable. Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, in an act of utter cowardice, fled to Moscow in December 2024 as his regime crumbled and was overthrown, bringing an end to his pitiful reign of 24 years.
Let’s also address the elephant in the room: 20% of Israel’s population is Arab. And unlike the perpetual victimhood narrative pushed by those who have no idea what they’re talking about, there are Arabs and Muslims living and thriving in Israel. Outside of Morocco, there are no successful Jews anywhere in the Arab world. Not one. If you need proof, look at the widespread persecution of Jews across the region.
The September 2024 **Pager Attack** stands as a stark reminder of Israel’s relentless pursuit of its enemies. Mossad meticulously planted explosives in pagers and walkie-talkies used by Hezbollah operatives. The attack was brutal, and its success was devastating. Hundreds of Hezbollah members, unsuspecting and vulnerable, were killed or maimed by explosions that detonated with chilling precision. This operation had been a decade in the making—every move, every device, every target was carefully calculated. Netanyahu’s confirmation of the attack’s authorization shows a level of resolve that should send shivers down the spine of any adversary.
But let’s cut to the chase—Hezbollah lost. And everyone knows it. The group has been reduced to a shell of its former self, incapable of rearming or regrouping. Israel’s strikes have severed the supply routes from Syria, effectively strangling Hezbollah’s ability to operate. The once-feared militia is now a broken force, and no amount of bluster or propaganda can change that reality.
Hamas doesn’t fight for a state or for the betterment of the Palestinian people. Their sole focus is the murder of Israeli civilians—an act of barbarism designed not for any real political objective but to gain leverage beyond what was already offered in the Bill Clinton Peace Plan. In fact, what Hamas fights for is a twisted agenda to ensure the Arab and Muslim world doesn’t have to face the consequences of their systemic persecution of Jews in the Middle East over the last 100 years. The brutal, systemic mistreatment and expulsion of Jews in the region for the past century is a dark and undeniable truth that is conveniently ignored.
This isn’t just about land or ideology. Hamas and other extremists exploit and inflame a deep-seated hatred of Jews, which has been institutionalized across much of the Arab world for generations. The persecution of Jews in the Middle East didn’t start with the creation of Israel in 1948; it goes back much further. The forced expulsion of Jews from Arab countries, widespread anti-Semitic violence, and discrimination over the last century have been swept under the rug, conveniently ignored by those who prefer to deflect blame. The truth is, many Muslim and Arab nations were complicit in this persecution. The pogroms in Iraq and Egypt, the forced expulsions from countries like Yemen, Libya, and Iraq, and the violent campaigns against Jewish communities in numerous Arab states are part of a dark legacy that remains largely unaddressed.
By continuing to create chaos and bloodshed, Hamas serves as a distraction, allowing these nations to avoid any reckoning with their history of anti-Semitic violence and injustice. They deflect attention away from the inconvenient truth that they are complicit in the persecution of Jews over the last century, and Hamas ensures the world’s gaze remains diverted from the real problem. This ongoing manipulation and denial allows the Arab and Muslim world to maintain their victim narrative while evading accountability for their past and present actions toward Jews.
I’m from the U.S., but to me, a victory over Hezbollah is worth more than a victory over Hamas. Hezbollah’s influence has been crucial in the regional balance of power, and its defeat represents a major blow to Iran and the wider forces of extremism in the region. While Hamas’ violence is brutal, Hezbollah’s strategic impact is far more dangerous, and eliminating that threat is essential for long-term peace and stability.
Hamas does not have a right to kill Israeli civilians to get over and above the Bill Clinton peace plan. Whatever Israel does it get Hamas to quit is justified. PERIOD
Whatever Israel does it get Hamas to quit is justified. PERIOD
Right. And when others do "whatever", it's called terrorism.
LOL, Yes, that's a great way to win over and influence people.
Don't do this to yourself and your people. The besiegement mentality you exhibit almost justifies the need of having your own little state because you can't function properly in public society.
Israel slaughtered tens of thousands.
I don't understand how you think this helps your argument? If the most peaceful Israelis were the ones closest to Gaza guarding and perpetuating the open air prison, what does that tell you about the rest of Israeli society and the rapists, etc.?
And he admits Arafat always told the truth except for one, which Arafat isn't around to contest. And Clinton's 96% of the West Bank has been debunked not just by the Palestinians and academics all over the planet but by Israeli academics and participants.
LOL, And isn't this the video that helped the Democrats lose Michigan?
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GAZA is an open air prison with Mercedes Benz dealerships
Hamas did rape on octber 7 and they killed kids
Clinton says Arafat turned down peace.
I will go with Clinton over Arafat who stole billiions .
also Prince Bandar backs Clintons story
LOL, all of that was done to placate the prisoners so they wouldn't break out and seek their rights. After all their homes are just over the fence that Israel stole from them.
No evidence of mass rape, in fact no corroborated evidence of any rape. If it did occur its not condoned by Islam, it was an act of individuals not the armed groups and certainly not Hamas.
The Clinton you trust who is known to be a serial liar, in the video YOU sent me he said that Arafat always told him the truth or did what he said he would do except on this one occasion. Just beacuse Arafat was not able to accept the so called peace deal doesn't make him less credible.
Why was Bandar there?
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/bandar-speaks-out-changing-landscape-mideast
Wait isn't WI a Zionist organization propagating Israeli propaganda? And isn't that article from Dennis Ross the American Jew with dual loyalties? And isn't that Bnadar Bin Sultan the rep of the Saudi government who cares nothing about the Palestinian issue but supports normalization with Israel? Not very strong evidence in the face of acdemic work that lays out the actual plans and what was offered.
Being an American Jew doesn’t automatically imply “dual loyalties.” When Ross negotiated the “Clinton parameters” one Zionist assessment of his was that he’s a “self-hating Jew,” i.e. not “pro-Israel” enough, while Palestinian negotiators considered him biased but not because of his religion or ethnicity.
https://www.newarab.com/news/mbs-palestinians-must-negotiate-israel-or-shut
LOL. And what was the Palestinian response….? OCTOBER 7TH!!!
and so they got bombed
There used to be 850 000 J e w s in arab and muslim lands
They were persecuted and their property was confiscated
when are you going to make up for it /
If the US gets another 911 attack I hope the US hits the mideast with 5000 hydrogen bombs
and GAZA got what was coming to them
X 5000
Play stupid games win stupid prizes
Clinton said Arafat turned down peace
Bandar was there to consult
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/arafats-billions/
https://english.alarabiya.n…
https://english.alarabiya.n…
If Israel had lots in 1948 the Jews would have been expelled or slaughtered
There used to be 850 000 Jews in arab and muslim lands they were persecuted and their property was confiscated.
There are successful arabs and muslims in Israel but with the exception of morroco there are zero successful jews in all arab and muslim lands.
https://x.com/imshin/status/1901287805193449793?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
LOL! @disqus_fv1O8rZFYs:disqus every time you post you shoot yourself in the foot. No one disputes that the Children of Israel lived in the land. Do you understand the Arabic? This iftar was provided by Israeli Arabs. More specifically, the ANABTAWI FAMILY. And I don't get it, even if Israelis provided the iftar. Are you saying Israelis care about Arabs? Or was this a small minority of individual Israelis? Israelis support the starvation of Gaza. Pretty sick people.
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Now the big question – did Alternate Reality Dwellers like Jon Howard Stern, Timbit, joke, The Prisoner (of Self Delusion) ALWAYS exist in these comment forums ?
Or has the Wholesale Trump Abandonment of Facts, Morality, Discourse, and Honestly opened a rift in timespace that not only permitted them to slip into our Universe BUT also shields them from the deleterious effects of our truth-based quantum foam ?
In any comment venue that’s not very tightly moderated and that survives for any length of time, there will inevitably develop sub-groups that are enthused/fascinated/obsessed with one topic and one explanation for that topic. It just goes with the territory.
I suppose it’s turtles and rabbit-holes all the way down, yeah.
You should be ashamed of your self peddling propaganda, misinformation and lies. Why do you this? Is this how you prey on those ignorant of the conflict? You would be laughed out of any university event, civic gathering, etc. Would you like to debate your tropes in a public setting? Let's set it up.
As to your videos I will save the posters here the trouble of having to listen to a foreign language and Zionist hasbara so outdated, it still claims the earth is flat… and Israel is the victim.
1. NasrAllah's Arabic excerpt is referring to prophecies. Unlike what some yahud and Christian Zionists do, in Islam Muslims are not allowed to hasten or work to set up or manufacture the signs of a prophesy to come. The point of a prophecy is to establish the legitimacy of the Prophet making the prophecy and the truth of God's prophecy and omnipotent knowledge.
Given that Israel in its 5000 year old calendar has not had a state but for a fraction of a sliver, and given the Torah mandates the diaspora of the chosen people until the messiah comes, how would anyone know that the yehud would congregate in such numbers and with such support from the the yahud diaspora community?
NasrAllah is just stating a fact. The yehud will congregate there. We the indigenous populations of the region didn't invite the British or the Zionists to occupy Palestine, Lebanon, Syria and Egypt, you did that. Of course the people will resist.
The yahud are making this into a religious conflict. The sad part is they are setting up their own destruction with the foolishness of Zionism.
As for the Husseini propaganda "documentary", its nonsense. It is one sided. The tone of the documentary is demeaning of the indigenous population. For their dispossession of their land they were supposed to blame the Nazis and not the British and Zionists who were responsible for their displacement, occupation and murder.
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“The yehud” and “the Zionists” are two different groups with some overlap.
And 70% of Israeli Jews are native Palestinians.
I can understand how many yehud who are not Zionists don't want to see the dismantling of Israel, but why do they get to have it both ways? Muslims don't call for the expulsion of the yehud, just the dismantling of the Zionist entity. Hamas says in its charter:
"Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project, not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity."
“Some Muslims don’t call for the expulsion of the yehud”
Fixed, no charge.
Other than isolated individuals like traumatized Palestinians, bring me one government, one group, one demonstration, one fatwa, one poll or anything else that would substantiate that Muslims are divided on this issue. If its a few individuals, it is accurate to say Muslims and no need to say some.
And if you can't, refixed no charge.
I’m pretty sure there has only ever been one person recognized as the infallible spokesperson for all Muslims.
No other than the first couple of a Caliphs but on this issue, its pretty universal among Muslims. Jews are a part of this land.
“The yehud” and “the Zionists” are two different groups with some overlap.
And 70% of Israeli Jews are native Palestinians.
“The yehud” and “the Zionists” are two different groups with some overlap.
And 70% of Israeli Jews are native Palestinians.
Hassan Nasrallah said that Israel spares Muslims the trouble of searching the world for Jews since they are now concentrated in one place. It is very clear what he meant
Hezbollah has long targeted Jewish communities beyond the Middle East. In 1994, they bombed the Jewish community center in Argentina, and in Lebanon, they went after the country’s remaining Jews.
While many today speak of indigenous rights, few acknowledge that 850,000 Jews once lived across Arab and Muslim nations. They were systematically persecuted, their property seized, and their communities driven out.
It is also worth noting that the majority of Israeli Jews are not of European descent. Even those with European ancestry trace their roots back to the Middle East. The tired claim that Israel is a European colonial project collapses under the weight of history.
And had Israel lost in 1948? The outcome would have been unambiguous: expulsion or mass slaughter. The fate of Jews in the Arab world provides a grim precedent.
Meanwhile, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem supported the Holocaust—he actively worked to ensure Jews could not escape it. He lobbied Nazi leaders to make sure Jews could not escape Europe and instead that they be sent to death camps instead.
As for the documentary in question, it comes from the History Channel. If there are objections, take them up with the source. Just cause you don’t like it doesn’t make it propaganda
His words are being taken out of context. There is absolutely no conclusive proof that Hezbollah has targeted Jews outside of the MiddleEast, including Argentina.
The state was founded on a majority of Jews with European descent like yourself. The balance has only recently changed. And some are so diluted in their gene pool that its difficult to make the argument they are "Jews" biologically? And why is DNA testing regulated for medical purposes only?
Nonsense, Arabs and Muslims have welcomed and protected the Jews, historically. Its just a. fact. Any incidents of tensions are similar to what are the societies face in terms of communal conflicts.
Husseine did not support the Holocaust. Unlike the Israelis, Germany was keeping secret what it was doing. Hitler considered Arabs one step above Jews. And you give Husseini too much credit. He actually had nothing to do with the Holocaust. You should be talking about the Swiss who turned Jews away only to be slaughtered by the Nazis.
As for the documentary look at who funded it. Zionists and their propaganda machine.
1. Iran is stronger in terms of its defenses and military than it was on October 7th.
2. The Houthis were escalating to the point of hitting Tel Aviv and key military installations.
3. Hezbollah may be licking its wounds but as Israel recuperates so does Hezbollah. You have only infuriated them more.
4. Israel is scared to death of Syria's aloofness. Give the Syrians a couple of years. Even now the Syrian government is protesting the occupation of the Golan heights.
5. Hamas has an endless pool of recruits. The "15" year olds are being saved up and trained for the next October 7th which will be more painful on Israel. No, from the captive releases it looks like Hamas is alive and well. And did you catch a glimpse of all the hardware and weapons captured from the Israeli army?
6. Disarming Gaza means going in with troops and into the tunnels. I think Israel thinks that with the MOABS it will do to Hamas what it did in Beirut to NasrAllah. Good luck with that. Let's see how that works out for Israel?
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You seriously believe this stuff you say?
With all this bombastic talk and threats why hasn't Israel gone all out and reinitiated the slaughter? Because some more captives will surely be killed and Trump wants quiet in the Middle East.
Israel can't fight a prolonged war. If you're among the elderly you may not be around to see it, but rest assured that if Israel continues on this path, that's what will happen.
This has been a long war but Israel has a great deal of resilience and has come through quite well. Understand that there is no way Israelis, including those on the left who despise Bibi will allow Hamas to remain armed and in power in Gaza. On this point 90% of Israelis agree.
Because even those on the left aren't willing to begin to right the wrongs Israel has committed. Yes the war united them in killing Palestinian civilians but that's all. Everything ese they have differed on.
America is also experiencing turbulent times. The more changes that occur in America the more they will focus domestically. The more they focus inwardly the less attention and support they will be able to give Israel. And simultaneously Americans are questioning the utility of the special relationship. Supporting Israel which is no doubt an American constant will eventually wane. Without US support Israel can't survive and all the dual citizens will leave.
Israel will be fine as long as the US allows Israel to buy US weapons and as long as the US votes to support Israel at the UN
The US gets to sell weapons to whomever they want
Also the US gets to vote at the UN as they see fit
The US even has its its own oil
China and Russia are facing demographic collapse.
Anyone else?
Wow, not even trying to hide the fact that without the US, the rabid dog would be toothless.
Name the mid east country that acts better in war than Israel .
Why? Would that justify what Israel has done? Why do you keep doing this? You're not defending Israel by saying they aren't as terroristic as some others. Although that is a stretch in itself, it still doesn't justify what Israel has done in Gaza.
Is Hamas quiting the war? If not then anything Israel does it justified?
Then there is no such thing as terrorism or terrorists. You can't do what terrorists do and claim self-defense. And Israel did, and continues to do, their terrorism with state of the art weaponry from the US.
If Hamas laid down their arms there would be peace
If Israel laid down their weapons Israel would be destroyed.
You look young in the photo but your tropes are giving you away.
Let's break this down logically. By your 2 claims you have implied the conclusion that Israel’s violence is defensive, while Hamas’ violence is the cause of conflict.
To demonstrate the fallacy, let’s reconstruct the situation logically:
Fact 1: Israel occupies Palestinian land and continues to expand settlements.
Fact 2: Hamas (and other Palestinian resistance groups) fight against this occupation.
Fact 3: Israel, with vastly superior military power, continues aggressive policies regardless of Palestinian resistance.
Based on these facts, let’s expose the flawed logic:
If Hamas stops fighting, does that mean Israel will stop occupying and expanding? No. History (Oslo, post-2005 Gaza withdrawal, continued settlement expansion) shows that Israeli policy does not change when Palestinian resistance ceases.
If Israel stops its military aggression, would it be destroyed? No. Palestinians do not have the military capacity to "destroy" Israel, and international actors (including many Arab states) recognize Israel.
In syllogism form I would respond to your faulty claims this way.
If ending Palestinian resistance leads to peace, then the conflict is only caused by resistance.
However, Israeli occupation and expansion existed before armed resistance and continued after ceasefires.
Therefore, ending resistance does not guarantee peace; the root cause is occupation.
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Arafat turned down peace in 2000 . Did you forget history.
Hamas kills Israel civilianas to get over and above the Bill Clinton peace plan.
It is false to say Arafat simply "turned down peace." He rejected a flawed deal that did not meet Palestinian demands for full sovereignty, East Jerusalem, and refugee rights. Later negotiations in 2001 (Taba) showed Palestinian willingness, but by then, the political landscape had shifted, and Israel walked away.
The claim that Arafat rejected peace is a political narrative, often used to place full blame on the Palestinians while ignoring Israel’s refusal to meet key demands for a just and lasting solution.
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BEHEADINGS
https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1747624294681661470?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1747624294681661470%7Ctwgr%5E60ab055a9d4c2741e5059b124f70ba75d14c7f0e%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jpost.com%2Fisrael-hamas-war%2Farticle-782663
https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/1726317211541704799?t=tLD22pGOAMIYHwqAAAf6-w&s=08 https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/1726317211541704799?t=tLD22pGOAMIYHwqAAAf6-w&s=08
https://x.com/CherylWroteIt/status/1826340567099363586
the Palestininans got all of that .
I got Bill Clinton saying it
Not a damn bit relevant to what I said. You just don't acknowledge the 10's of thousands of noncombatants that have been killed for absolutely no reason other than Israel's total disregard for their safety.
Those non combaats were killed cause Hamas fights from civilian areas.
They were killed because they were in the way. They were killed because 2,000 lb bombs were used in residential areas and even on plastic tents. They were killed where they were told to evacuate. And they also died in large numbers because Israel cut off a large percentage of aid which included food and medicine. But mostly, they were killed because Israel was more than willing to kill them. The talk of human shields as a reason why people had to die is a horrible excuse and should only be used by groups on designated terrorist lists. There was no existential threat to Israel by any stretch of the imagination. A very large number of deaths could have been avoided had Israel chosen to act in a humane way. They made no such attempt.
Show us starvation in GAZA. Show it or drop the charge.
Hamas says they will attack again. There is zero evidence that Israel behavees worse than other countries in war.
Hamas wants their war they deserve what they get. When Israel holds back they are just putting off the next attack
If Hamas doesn't want to quit their war then they can go to hades
Is Hamas quiting the war? If not then anything Israel does to get them to quit is okay.
Show us starvation in GAZA. Show it or drop the charge.
That's ridiculous. That's like saying show us the people under rubble. When a population of 2.3 million is already food challenged BEFORE Oct 7th with 500 trucks entering Gaza daily, how would 2.3 million people NOT have any starvation when only around 20% of that previous aid is getting in? Plus over 90% of the water is contaminated so I suppose there is no diseases spreading since I can't show you any sick people. Right?
Hamas says they will attack again. There is zero evidence that Israel behavees worse than other countries in war.
You said this repeatedly even though I already gave you an answer you can't refute. Once more, Israel has made absolutely no effort to protect innocent civilian lives during this "war". NONE. Their rules of engagement with their "open fire zones" are those of terrorist groups. I guess you're good with them being just as terroristic as others in the region but they have the superpower backing them. Doing terrorism with state of the art weaponry sets them above all others.
Hamas wants their war they deserve what they get. When Israel holds back they are just putting off the next attack
Again, repetitious bullshit excuses that aren't legitimate in any sense of the word. No matter what Hamas does, it doesn't give Israel the right to totally ignore the safety of hundreds of thousands of noncombatants. That's called terrorism.
If Hamas doesn't want to quit their war then they can go to hades
I won't even comment on that stupidity.
Is Hamas quiting the war? If not then anything Israel does to get them to quit is okay.
Terrorism isn't ok. Whether it's done with the blessing and the weapons from a superpower or not. You just keep ignoring the hundresd of thousand noncombatants just like Israel, the king of terrorists did and continues to do.
Is Hamas quiting the war? If not then anything Israel does to get them to quit is okay.
So, you went back and took all your previous comments and combined them all with this comment as if it would be different. But I'll play along. Once more, nothing Hamas did or does justifies Israel's abject failure to provide safety for the hundreds of thousands of noncombatants. You can keep making the same statements over and over and my response will be the same. How about trying to reply to my responses instead of just repeating the same stupid bullshit because you have nothing else?
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/the-evidence-is-clear-there-is-no-famine-in-gaza
For the record
And that proves what? That's from 9 months ago if it's even from then. It doesn't prove shit. It doesn't take a border line genius to put 2 + 2 and come up with 4. Nineteen months of slaughtering and withholding aid will create starvation. That's a given.
show starvation
Or drop the charge
Hamas started the war . They need to quit
It is war
Israel’s citizens come first
How many times do you want me to respond to you repeating the same thing over again and again? I get it. You have nothing to refute any of my responses so you have to resort to the kind of debate that a 10 year old child would use. You're pathetic which is par for the course with your type.
no value in your respect
I took care of all of your arguments
What value is your respect? . You have inflated sense of self worth .
I refuted all of what you said.
You didn't even address what I said let alone refute it. You've repeated yourself and plagiarized others to try and deflect from what I said. And you do it again with a barrage of comments that say the same god damn thing once more. And plagiarizing, I believe, is against this sites policies so hopefully your shit will either end or you will.
I addressed everything you said.
You haven’t won much in your life that will change one day . When you expire you will get a death certificate . You won’t be missed.
Bullshit. You ignored what I said and repeated yourself like a moron incapable of an adult discussion. And you don't know shit about me, so your comment is like everything else you say, either your own simpleton bullshit or something you plagiarized.
I addressed all your points
I know enough about you that your respect or admiration has zero value.
What I said is what you can not answer
Not upset that you are upset.
You addressed my points by deflecting way from the numbers I repeatedly posted that made Hamas look like choir boys as compared to Israel. And you did it with pithy Hasbara type comments that were irrelevant and continuously ignored those numbers that I posted. And that’s because that is all you, or any other Hasbara wannabes, have at your disposal. The pile of rubble that used to be Gaza proves my point and refutes all your Hasbara type bullshit or anything you plagiarized from before Oct 7th.
Hamas isn’t fighting for survival or a state. They slaughter Israeli civilians to gain more than what was offered by Bill Clinton. They also serve as a shield for Israel’s enemies, covering up their crimes against Middle Eastern Jews.
Hamas’s war is completely illegitimate.
They have no right to it. Whatever Israel does to crush Hamas is justified.
I don’t care about the numbers you throw around—they’re meaningless.
I will not be silent, and I won’t let your lies and distortions stand.
Whatever Israel does to put down Hamas is okay by me.
Your admiration and respect are not worth anything. In fact if I had your respect I would be ashamed you creepy weirdo.
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Hamas isn’t fighting for survival or a state. They slaughter Israeli civilians to gain more than what was offered by Bill Clinton. They also serve as a shield for Israel’s enemies, covering up their crimes against Middle Eastern Jews.
Irrelevant to Israel's Collective Punishment in Gaza.
Hamas’s war is completely illegitimate.
Irrelevant to Israel's Collective Punishment in Gaza.
They have no right to it. Whatever Israel does to crush Hamas is justified.
There are/were 2.3 million people in Gaza. Collective Punishment is not allowed. Once more, Hamas is irrelevant.
I don’t care about the numbers you throw around—they’re meaningless.
Thanks for proving my point about not addressing what I've said. Because to back what you say, you have to ignore those very real numbers I've posted.
I will not be silent, and I won’t let your lies and distortions stand.
No one is trying to silence you. You have every right to publicly back an ongoing genocide and put the blame on the entire population in Gaza.
And I haven't told any lies or distorted anything. Gaza is rubble. The pictures and numbers tell the story.
Whatever Israel does to put down Hamas is okay by me.
Which means you're an advocate for Collective Punishment and an eventual genocide/ethnic cleansing. You keep saying that as if it's a legitimate response to my comments about Israel's willful killing of noncombatants.
Your admiration and respect are not worth anything. In fact if I had your respect I would be ashamed you creepy weirdo.
Then you don't have a damned thing to worry about.
whatever it takes to make Hamas quit is okay
Yeah, you said that already and it's just as sickening this time. Fuck off.
For the most part, I don’t assume that “pro-Israel commenters” here are paid hasbara trolls.
But in Mr. Stern’s case, I’m almost completely certain he isn’t. The quality of his copy and paste flooding indicates he’s an unpaid intern who hasn’t learned the ropes yet.
I pretty much agree with you. I recall a poster named Johnson11B that you banned. He was obvious. I even seen him use the same handle and post the same shit at The Intercept. I normally say hasbara "type" to point out the unpaid variety.
I refuted everything you said
what value is there in having your respect and admiration?
What is the value of your respect or admiration?
Every one of your arguments has been dismantled. Hamas is not fighting for survival, nor for a state. They are fighting for more than they were ever offered—more than the more-than-fair terms of the Clinton peace plan—and to ensure that Israel’s regional enemies never have to take responsibility for their persecution of middle eastern Jews
Hamas has never abandoned its war. As long as that remains true, Israel is justified in doing whatever is necessary to force them to stop. To do otherwise is merely to delay the inevitable: the next massacre, the next attack, the next declaration from Hamas that they will strike again.
And yet, despite this, Israel goes to extraordinary lengths to minimize civilian casualties—probably more than any other army in history. It issues warnings before airstrikes. It calls, texts, and drops leaflets urging civilians to evacuate. It aborts missions when the risk to civilians is too high. It builds field hospitals, provides humanitarian corridors, and allows aid into enemy territory—despite knowing that Hamas will steal and hoard supplies for itself. Not many militaries when facing a terrorist enemy embedded in civilian areas would take such precautions.
Meanwhile, Hamas uses civilians as human shields, stores weapons in hospitals and schools, and fires rockets indiscriminately at Israeli cities. It does not warn, it does not safeguard, it does not value life—Israeli or Palestinian.
Israel does not behave worse than most nations at war. In fact, it probably behaves better. Like any sovereign state, it has a right—indeed, a responsibility —to protect its citizens. It is entirely justified in prioritizing their lives over the interests of its enemies or the collapsing state it is at war with.
The facts remain immutable:
– If Hamas laid down its arms, peace would follow.
– If Israel laid down its arms, it would cease to exist. Its people would face ethnic cleansing at best—massacre at worst.
Israel has every right to self- defense and not much to be sorry for.
What is the value of your respect or admiration?
Every one of your arguments has been dismantled. Hamas is not fighting for survival, nor for a state. They are kill Israeli civilians in order to get over and above what they were offered. via the Clinton peace plan—and to ensure that Israel’s regional enemies never have to take responsibility for their persecution of middle eastern jews
Hamas has never abandoned its war. As long as that remains true, Israel is justified in doing whatever is necessary to force them to stop. To do otherwise is merely to delay the inevitable: the next massacre, the next attack, Hamas has already declared that they will attack again.
And yet, despite this, Israel goes to extraordinary lengths to minimize civilian casualties—probably more than any other army in history. It issues warnings before airstrikes. It calls, texts, and drops leaflets urging civilians to evacuate. It aborts missions when the risk to civilians is too high. It builds field hospitals, provides humanitarian corridors, and allows aid into enemy territory—despite knowing that Hamas will steal and hoard supplies for itself. Not many militaries when facing a terrorist enemy embedded in civilian areas would so as such
Meanwhile, Hamas uses civilians as human shields, stores weapons in hospitals and schools, and fires rockets indiscriminately at Israeli cities. It does not warn, it does not safeguard, it does not value life—Israeli or Palestinian.
Israel does not behave worse than most nations at war. In fact, probably behaves a lot better. Like any sovereign state, it has a right—indeed, a responsibility —to protect its citizens. It is entirely justified in prioritizing their lives over the interests of its enemies or the collapsing state it is at war with.
The facts remain immutable:
– If Hamas laid down its arms, peace would follow.
– If Israel laid down its arms, it would cease to exist. Its people would face ethnic cleansing at best—massacre at worst.
Israel has every right to self- defense and not much to be sorry for.
Israel has not behaved worse than any other nation at war.
It has every right to do whatever is necessary to force Hamas to end its war. The safety of Israel’s citizens takes precedence over the safety of Gaza’s population. That is the reality of war—a reality Hamas alone has chosen.
Unlike Hamas, which deliberately targets civilians, Israel takes extraordinary measures to minimize casualties, including warning strikes, phone calls, and leaflet drops. No other military goes to such lengths to reduce civilian harm while fighting an enemy that hides behind its own people.
Hamas is not fighting for survival or a Palestinian state. It seeks to go beyond the Bill Clinton peace plan, ensuring Israel’s enemies never have to make amends for the historic wrongs committed against Middle Eastern Jews. The war continues because Hamas wills it. The responsibility is theirs alone.
Israel has not behaved worse than any other nation at war.
I see. Just keep saying it. Ok, once more. Israel is treating the hundreds of thousands of noncombatants like any terrorist organization would. They just do it with state of the art weaponry from the superpower they have latched onto.
It has every right to do whatever is necessary to force Hamas to end its war. The safety of Israel’s citizens takes precedence over the safety of Gaza’s population. That is the reality of war—a reality Hamas alone has chosen.
That's just fucking nonsense. Killing innocent noncombatants in Gaza doesn't make noncombatants in Israel any safer. To the contrary, they put them in more danger of retaliation. Israel does not have the right to disregard international law and commit war crimes as they wish.
Unlike Hamas, which deliberately targets civilians, Israel takes extraordinary measures to minimize casualties, including warning strikes, phone calls, and leaflet drops. No other military goes to such lengths to reduce civilian harm while fighting an enemy that hides behind its own people.
Where did you copy and paste that bullshit from? It certainly couldn't have been after Oct 7th 2023. It's unbelievably inaccurate to anyone with a functioning brain. I won't even go over the numbers again because it's obvious you don't have a functioning brain. THEY BOMBED EVACATION ZONES WHERE THOSE LEAFLETS AND PHONE CALLS TOLD THEM TO GO.
Hamas is not fighting for survival or a Palestinian state. It seeks to go beyond the Bill Clinton peace plan, ensuring Israel’s enemies never have to make amends for the historic wrongs committed against Middle Eastern Jews. The war continues because Hamas wills it. The responsibility is theirs alone.
More copy and pasted bullshit. Bringing up Bill Clinton repeatedly is you (or whoever you plagiarized) grasping at straws. The atrocities Israel has committed are the atrocities Israel decided to commit. Whether the "war" continues because Hamas wants it to or not doesn't absolve Israel of indiscriminately (Biden's words) killing innocent noncombatants.
As does the Israeli regime. Every Israeli community has one or more Civil Guard bases staffed by police supervising volunteers armed with assault weapons.
It is not the same. Israel isn’t hiding behind their own citizens. Does Israel keep weapons in hostpitals? . Do they fire from those areas?. Hamas fires from those areas cause they don’t care about thieir citizens .In fact they like it when their own civilians get killed . It gives them propaganda points . They also comander humanitarian aid for themselves. Source Lonerbox
Note just cause two things have some similar charateristic does not make them the same
The Israeli regime constantly hides not just behind its own citizens, but behind the majority of Jews who aren’t Israeli citizens, pretending to represent them and their interests, just like the Ku Klux Klan does with WASPs.
It is essential to challenge misleading comparisons, particularly when they distort history and reality. To compare Israel to the Ku Klux Klan is not only absurd but also a profound misreading of both history and present-day geopolitics. The two have nothing in common.
The key difference between Israel and Hamas when it comes to military engagement in civilian areas is intent and operational strategy.
Hamas deliberately fires rockets from schools, hospitals, and residential buildings—knowing full well that retaliatory strikes will cause civilian casualties, which it can then exploit for propaganda purposes. This is the grotesque and cynical practice of human shielding, a clear violation of international law. It is well-documented that Hamas hides its weapons and fighters in tunnels beneath civilian infrastructure, turning ordinary people into pawns in its war.
Israel, by contrast, takes extensive measures to protect civilians, not use them as shields. The Israeli military issues warnings before airstrikes—through leaflets, phone calls, and the “knock on the roof” tactic—giving civilians the opportunity to evacuate. When civilian areas in Israel are hit, it is not because the Israeli government is hiding behind its own people, but because Hamas deliberately targets civilians with indiscriminate rocket fire. The moral and strategic distinctions between the two could not be clearer.
If one is looking for historical injustice, consider this: 850,000 Jews once lived in Arab and Muslim lands. They were persecuted, their property confiscated, and they were ultimately driven out. Today, outside of Morocco, successful Jewish communities in these regions are virtually non-existent. And yet, in Israel, Arabs and Muslims thrive in business, politics, and medicine. If Israel were the ethno-supremacist state its critics claim, this would be impossible.
It is, therefore, entirely rational to be hostile to Israel’s enemies, given the threats it has faced. Those who claim to stand for justice should remember history. The United States, for instance, once turned away a ship of Jewish refugees fleeing Nazi Germany—a decision that remains a moral stain. Today, many engage in a similar act of moral blindness by misrepresenting Israel’s fight for survival as aggression. History teaches us what happens when such distortions go unchallenged.
But this video responds better than I ever could
https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/1726317211541704799?t=tLD22pGOAMIYHwqAAAf6-w&s=08
Hamas does what negotiators do, they will think about it and that justifies Trump's tweet?
They already destroyed Gaza, how many times will they have to repeat that? The insanity is mindboggling.
The truth is they want a surrender not a settlement which would require compromise.
“ In addition, he basically called upon 1.5 billion Muslims in Ramadan to come to the rescue of the Aqsa Mosque”
This is another part of the big lie promulgated by Hamas. Today 90,000 Muslims prayed peacefully on the Temple Mount and in Al Aqsa.
Insulting you is of no use…
The only lie is your kind will never admit how historically Muslims allowed the yahud to worship and when the yahud were in control they regularly prevent Muslims for worshipping.
Your comment is just another argument against you. The Zionists have ramped up they're Judaization of the Old City since Trump recognized it as the capital. They are so desperate for the world to follow suit.
Have you forgotten the images that went viral of Israeli thugs beating worshippers in the Mosque including women and children in Ramadan 2023? Hamas sent rockets flying. Israel agreed to a ceasefire in a few days. Two years earlier Hamas fired rockets and Israeli Arabs rioted and the West Bank demonstrated.
Last year in its arrogance Israel stopped worshippers of certain ages and places from worshiping in Ramadan.
Today they are afraid to escalate even though in their pettiness and inferiority they are still humiliating the worshippers.
Even if Palestinians gave up on al aqsa 1.5 billion Muslims never will. Abu Ubeida's recent message was viewed by millions of Muslims. I don't know if regular Israelis listened to his message but you should.
And woe to the hapless fools who would dare to trigger the ire of the awakened Muslims.
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“The Zionists have ramped up they're Judaization of the Old City”
I guess you need to be reminded that Jerusalem has been “Judaized” for 3500 years. It is the Palestinians who are trying to dejudaize Jerusalem, to dejudaize Jesus,to lay claim to land that was not theirs and to plant the flag of Islam on the entire universe
We don’t deny our cousins’ ties to the land, but they were never the first, and their rule was only a brief fraction of its 3,500-year history. Unlike in Judaism, Jesus is deeply revered in Islam—we see him as a great messenger, near to God, and the Messiah. Palestinian and Hebrew DNA both trace back to the region’s ancient peoples.
I suspect your hatred of Islam stems from jealousy. While Judaism was revealed to an insular group, Islam is universal—for all of humanity—flourishing where Judaism left off.
Almost Every Zionist talking point can be refuted with this novice poem I wrote.
https://awnubani.medium.com/ojerusalem-75ad238b88c6
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D. Trump talks before thinking, if he ever thinks. He is unhinged and unstable. He is a loose cannon and one never knows on what crowd he is going to aim his gun next He is a dangerous man to be in any position of authority. I wouldn't like having him as mayor of our town.
He can always say, "I did not say that, did I say that? I don't remember."
It's Trump. He'll say "I always said what I'm saying right now" and ignore fact-checking and evidence to the contrary.
He's the living avatar of that old Rumsfeld / Rove quote (its authorship is in doubt) that goes "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."
Now that you remind us I see Biden believed and lived the religion and Trump does the same.
In his partial defense, Biden occupied his own dementia-reality that EVERYONE struggled to keep up with. He was less an author of reality than a victim to it.
With decades in government Biden should have known better. He was not always demented.
And a stroke victim’s brain worked great until it didn’t.
When dementia or a mind-affecting state sets in, that which existed before becomes irrelevant except as a measure of what’s been lost.
Biden always was a war monger and skilled
politician.
I may be wrong, but sometimes I think that with age characteristics may be more pronounced. Just a thought.
I think that’s a fair and generally reliable observation.
That quote can be found in Ron Suskind “Faith, Certainty and the Presidency of George W. Bush“. New York Times Magazine, October 17, 2004.
(The author was later identified to be Karl Rove.)
Cool, thanks !
Indeed … but by doing so, he infrequently (but not insignificantly) says things that are true and even wise and that no mainstream politician would say.
I don't know whether I prefer his stopped clock occasional truths to Biden's deadly and permanent untruths …
That's why I did not vote for either one of them, nor Kamala.
Occasionally he spills the beans, which is soon forgotten, even he can't remember when he accidentally told the truth.
At some point those wise and true things he says are going to have to be followed through on otherwise people are going to realize that he's full of shit. We've grown accustomed to the likes of Biden that anything that has a pulse looks good in comparison. Personally, I want more than talk, especially talk that is contradicted the next day.
People are finding this out with Tariffs. This constant on, off, on again off again puts the economy into a tail spin.
People are reluctant to commit when they can’t know important policy will be the same next week as it is this week, which is different than it was last week.
That applies to economics (Robert Higgs calls the phenomenon “regime uncertainty”), diplomacy, and everything else.
I’m against tariffs in general and on principle, but I’d rather see a 10% tariff than 0% this week, 50% next week, 5% the week after that, etc. I’d rather see it as an investor so I could assess risk vs. likely profit. I’d rather see it as a consumer because I’d like to actually be able to buy the things I want, even if they’re overpricesd.
Speaking of which, Trump is now threatening “large scale Banking Sanctions, Sanctions, and Tariffs on Russia.”
For Trump negotiation means for the other to turn over and do what Trump demands. He is an oxymoron.
But that's been the American style since 1991. Clinton(s), W, Obama, and Biden did the same thing. They may have expressed different words with different levels of skill, but it was my way or highway, always … see Serbia, Iraq, Libya, Russia, etc.
unconditional surrender is an American term since WW I. It works for them since they only fight with proxies on other continents. The ME already is in ruins, what can the Israelis possibly gain by continuing the total destruction? A war with Iran would wipe them off the map and the USA would gain what?
Western democracies are being ruled by an insane suicidal ruling class of billionaires, characters like Musk and Trump.
"A war with Iran would wipe them off the map and the USA would gain what?"
Well, for the Evangelicals of Trump's GISS Army, and a host of other Christian sects, it'd usher in the End Times officially and the Return of Jesus™ and all the LSD-trippin' Book of Revelation fantasy that they expect ends well for them.
See, nothing in Christian mythos turns out good for the State of Israel, Israelis, or Judaism. All of those are sacrificial lambs (not to pun there) useful only in achieving Christian goals.
It's a "foreign policy" (for lack of a better term) of maximal threats and then retreat to a different tack. It's the exact opposite of Teddy Roosevelt's talk softly and carry a big stick.
Mr. Trump has taken his mentor Roy Cohn's "always attack" to heart …
He makes sure his followers are looking over there while he attacks and robs over here. He is a smart Mafia boss, with a little less character than they have.
With Diet Coke as his 'gabbagool'.
I looked up gabagool, hilarious and so fitting.
Also suggested: it's “madman theory” revived by Nixon. The following explanation is interesting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madman_theory
This approach, especially with Trump, runs the risk of being too mysterious, inconsistent, incoherent. Credibility suffers via his fluctuating postures as with efforts at saint ("beautiful housing" somewhere and the Gaza Riviera) and maniac ("your last chance" and slaughter the innocents).
Nixon only talked it but Trump does it.
That seems to fit – good assessment on your part !
Trump took blood money from Adelson to support the ethnic cleansing and annexation of the West Bank. Both he and Netanyahu are just looking for excuses to violate the ceasefire and resume their genocide. And he thinks he'll get a Nobel Peace Prize for that.
His mentors will make sure he gets it, Obama got one too.
"Israel violated the initial deal by refusing to enter talks on phase two and has imposed a total blockade on all goods entering Gaza"
"Israeli forces have killed 116 civilians and wounded 490 others in Gaza since the ceasefire went into effect in January."
https://truthout.org/articles/palestinian-officials-say-israel-has-committed-at-least-962-ceasefire-violations/
Israel has followed such a pattern for decades where it continues to kill Palestinians, blackade and starve the people of Gaza which Israel appologists and supporters would cynically call a" relative peace" as long as there were no response from the Palestinian side. The moment the Palestinians can no longer take it anymore and respond to the unprovoked Israel attacks then it's the Palestinians who are accused of starting the war and breaking the so called relative peace.
[Hamas responded to Trump’s latest threat on Thursday, saying it complicates the ceasefire process. “These threats complicate the ceasefire agreement and encourage Israel to evade its commitments,” said Hamas spokesman Hazem Qassem. “Hamas has fulfilled all its obligations under phase one, but Israel is refusing to move to phase two. The US administration must pressure the occupation to engage in negotiations for the next phase, as outlined in the agreement.”]
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I hope Putin is getting this.
That Hamas statement couldn't be any more articulate and professional…! As for Putin he should soon do something…
Also, Levant Alawites are being killed by Jolani who are near their navel facilities in the Syria east coast
Yes, were he a pro; but he was cast as the tough guy delivering the "or else;" and now that no pressure has been forthcoming, he's discredited and should publicly resign. Otherwise, he's just part of a charade, just another fraud.
And I meant only that Putin must see Trump is "agreement incapable", everything has to be front-loaded, and the NeoConNazi regime humiliated before its own citizens in Europe and the USI.
Trump is a coward, he sends others out to test the air and then claims with hindsight he would never have done that. He is always right, never makes a mistake.
Now he is distancing himself from Musk, he now agrees Musk has no authority to fire civil servants.
Unfortunately, his base calls that diplomacy, using 5D chess against checker players.
Maybe they use that strong language in out and out wars, but to threaten people with extinction, death and hell without having declared war against Palestinians is barbaric.
Maybe the real problem they have is the fact that they don’t know what war really is. They had college deferments and never served even in Vietnam.
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Gov. of the Central Bank of Egypt Hassan Abdullah is FLYING BLIND.
"Egypt's money supply is SURGING at 32%/yr—ABOVE Hanke's Golden Growth Rate range of 13-17%/yr, consistent with hitting its inflation target of 5-9%/yr.
No surprise that Egypt's inflation is RED HOT at 23%/yr."
Many understand the disadvantages for Egypt in providing welfare and non-existent housing to thousands if not millions of Palestinian refugees.
While many understand The Greater Israel Project's subtleties, Israel and the US have lowered their tolerance toward Jordan and Egypt.
We may not be far from an Egypt-Israel conflict.
Could Israel realize this fact or would they use force for reason…? The last poll shows nine out of ten prefer the continuation of ceasefire…!
Nine out of ten? Nine out of which ten? Poll? Which poll?
”Call me Egotistical!…”-Trumpsters, The Donald
The Donald’s not feeling the love?…. ;—/
“As a man thinketh, therefor he is!…”
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Trump only speaks: double speak!…
"They have a path to leave." That is not peace. That is aggression, by genocidal criminals.
So Trump II will be just as chaotic and ineffective as Trump I. Go figure.
Quite the slogan: look at me look at me look at me look at me …………….
It's just a matter of time as voluminous studies are made and gathered that utterly humiliate this inferiority complex plagued group of wretched people who became what they hated. I'd love to get your perspective beyond she is anti Semitic.
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The US is going to weaponize demographics and strangle the CCP
Russia is next
After that lets see if Iran can handle an arms race against the US
Not impressed with mid east eye.
At any rate Israels enemies ought to make up for their wrongs aganst mid east Jews .
Any reason they ought not to?
There used to be 850 000 Jews in arab and muslim lands they were persecuted and their property was confiscated.
They need to make amends for it .
Tone deaf Trump?!….!….!
Balls to the walls!…!….!
Middle East Eye Updates as with (today):
1 hour ago
The Trump administration's hostage envoy Adam Boehler said his recent meetings with Hamas leaders were designed to pinpoint what the group's end game was, and aim to bring the war to a close.
"I think it was a very helpful meeting. It was very helpful to hear some back and forth," Boehler said in an interview on CNN's "State of the Union."
Boehler said he understood concerns by Israeli officials about his direct contact with Hamas, but said he had a clear goal in his talks.
"We're the United States. We're not an agent of Israel," Boehler said.
"We have specific interests at play, and we did communicate back and forth.
"What I wanted to do is jump start some negotiations that were in a very fragile place. And I wanted to say to Hamas, what is the end game that you want here?"
The discussions broke with a decades-old policy by Washington against negotiating with groups it has designated as terrorist organisations.
Boehler said he believed something could be achieved on the Israeli captives within weeks, but did not elaborate. He said he believes that a deal can be made in which all of the captives can get out.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/live/trump-threatens-gaza-destruction-while-team-negotiates-hamas