Israel will not withdraw its troops from the Philadelphi Corridor, which runs along the Gaza-Egypt border, in a violation of the Gaza ceasefire and hostage deal between Israel and Hamas.
Under the agreement, Israel is required to leave the corridor this Saturday, which marks the end of the first phase of the ceasefire deal. But an Israeli official said on Thursday that won’t happen.
“We will not withdraw from the Philadelphi route,” an Israeli official said, according to Haaretz. “We will not allow Hamas murderers to roam our border again with trucks and rifles, and we will not let them rearm through smuggling.”
Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz compared the occupation of the Philadelphi Corridor to the Israeli occupation of southern Syria and southern Lebanon. “The Philadelphia axis will remain a buffer zone, just as is the case in Lebanon and Syria,” he said.
Katz also claimed that Israel had evidence Hamas was planning attacks on Israeli soldiers, which Hamas denied. Hamas also said the continued occupation of the Philadelphi Corridor was a clear violation of the ceasefire.
“[Katz’s] statements about keeping the border area between Gaza and Egypt as a buffer zone are a clear violation of the ceasefire agreement, and an attempt to fabricate pretexts to disrupt and derail it,” Hamas said, according to The Cradle.
Israel captured the Philadelphi Corridor in May 2024 when it launched its assault on the southern Gaza city of Rafah, giving Israel total control of Gaza’s borders. During ceasefire negotiations last year, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu repeatedly sabotaged the talks by demanding that Israel retain control of the Gaza-Egypt border.
Hamas also said it was open to an extension of the first phase of the ceasefire since a deal on the second phase hasn’t been reached. “Hamas is ready for an extension based on the established red lines – the end of the war, a full Israeli withdrawal, a respectable prisoner exchange deal, and the beginning of the reconstruction process in Gaza,” said Hamas official Abd al-Latif al-Qanou.
Early Thursday, Hamas released four bodies of Israeli hostages, and Israel freed over 600 Palestinians from Israeli jails, the last exchange under the first phase of the ceasefire deal. The fate of the agreement is uncertain, and Israeli officials have repeatedly threatened they’re preparing to restart the genocidal war, and the US has made clear it’s ready to back whatever decision Israel makes.
Throughout the ceasefire, Israel has continuously violated the agreement by blocking certain types of aid from entering Gaza and continuing to kill Palestinians. Since the truce went into effect on January 19, Israel has killed more than 100 Palestinians in Gaza.
”Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding.” Albert Einstein
Wow, who do I trust the least to keep their word ? The United States of America, or the Apartheid State of Israel ? Race to the bottom for the least trustworthy.
As I say , Please give a list of Middile East Nations that are not Apartheid states.
"But Iran’s Jews and other recognized minorities are barred by law from serving in the judiciary and security services. They also cannot hold authority over Muslims in the armed forces.
When Jews and other recognized minorities seek “blood money” as restitution for various crimes, Iranian law reduces the value of that blood money to half of what a Muslim is entitled to."
https://www.voanews.com/a/challenges-facing-iran-s-jewish-minority-attract-scrutiny-after-rabbi-s-us-visit/6326767.html
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/irans-regime-slated-to-execute-innocent-young-jew-on-monday-801589
https://www.dawn.com/news/108559/iraqis-told-not-to-sell-land-to-jews
Those are certainly bad things.
But one distinguishing feature of apartheid as practiced in South Africa was the creation of fake “homeland” areas for the proscribed class of people, where they supposedly enjoyed “self-rule” but were actually ruled by the apartheid regime, which retained powers of segregation and allowed the proscribed class’s members to travel into the ruling class’s area only for so long as required to do menial labor for the ruling class.
Are you aware of such systems existing in Iran or other Middle East states? I’m not saying they DON’T exist — I’m genuinely interested in knowing. In Saudi Arabia, at least when I was there, migrant workers seemed to mostly be housed in camps with mobile homes, etc. (the Marine Corps took over several of those camps for troop housing). I don’t know if their movement was limited. And those migrant workers weren’t indigenous people — most of the ones I ran into seemed to be from Indonesia and Sri Lanka.
People have shifted the definitions of both apartheid and genocide, and if you apply the modified apartheid designation used for Israel, it could also apply to be morphed to apply to other places. This is one of the consequences when definitions are adjusted / expanded to meet political, social and personal agendas.
How about they fund their own apartheid and genocide? Not in my name.
No. Your comment is a prime example of trying to mitigate barbarism to meet political, social and personal agenda.
Really? . Israel doesn’t act worst than other middile east nations in war . On another front Did you know what the US did to North Korea to stop the invasion of KIM IL SUNG? Your comment is a prime expample of selective outrage to meet your poltical , social and personal agenda.
No. I am equally disgusted by US empire.
If you judge the US by whom its enemies are then the US must be doing something right
Which enemy of the US will you defend? Which enemy of the US had a right to their war? Do your best worst or whatever
Everyone is an enemy and threat.
Attacking Libya was disgusting.
Provoking war with Russia was disgusting
….
The list is too long.
Let’s say every war since WWII. And even parts of WWII nuking Japan when they were going to surrender.
Which enemy of the US will you defend. Which enemy had a right to their war?
Use a vpn, I guess.
tried , still doesn’t work
Don’t know what to tell you.
You could tell me what the article says
Does that also not work?
Your arguments or the site?
Yes to both
I answered that question elsewhere.
### **Israel Is Not an Apartheid State—And Here’s Why That Matters**
Let’s get one thing straight: **comparing Israel to apartheid South Africa is a fundamental misunderstanding of history, geopolitics, and basic logic**.
Apartheid South Africa was a **permanent racial caste system** designed to ensure that a small White minority ruled over a Black majority with no path to political participation. **Israel is a multiethnic democracy** where Arab citizens **vote, serve in Parliament, and sit on the Supreme Court**. This is not semantics—it’s the **difference between legal racial subjugation and a long-term military occupation caused by unresolved warfare**.
### **What’s Actually Happening?**
Israel isn’t dealing with an apartheid system. It’s dealing with a **frozen conflict** that has its roots in the Palestinians **rejecting peace deals that would have ended the occupation decades ago**.
– **2000**: The **Bill Clinton peace plan** offered the Palestinians **their own state with East Jerusalem as the capital**. Arafat **walked away**—without even making a counteroffer.
– **2008**: Israel offered **a similar deal**. Mahmoud Abbas **said no**.
So why is there still an occupation? Because **Palestinian leadership refuses to accept any peace deal that allows Israel to continue existing**. That’s not apartheid. That’s geopolitics.
### **Who Can Restart the War?**
Here’s a basic geopolitical test: **who has the ability to restart the war?**
– **In apartheid South Africa, Black citizens had no ability to wage war against the government**. They were completely suppressed, with no military or political power.
– **In Israel, Palestinian groups can—and do—restart wars whenever they choose**. Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and the Palestinian Authority **never renounced violence as a strategy**.
That’s why Israel maintains military control over parts of the West Bank. **Not because of race, but because Palestinian leadership refuses to commit to peace**.
### **The Judiciary Test: Israel vs. Iran and Apartheid South Africa**
Here’s another quick test: **Can minorities serve as judges?**
– **In apartheid South Africa**, Blacks **could not** serve as judges over Whites.
– **In Iran**, non-Muslims **cannot** serve as judges at all. A Jew or Christian **is legally barred** from ruling over a Muslim.
– **In Israel**, Arab Muslims **serve as Supreme Court justices** and have ruled against the government, the military, and Jewish politicians.
If Israel is an apartheid state, it’s doing a **terrible** job of it—where else do the so-called “oppressed” minority serve at the highest levels of government?
Oh, and let’s not forget **Iran’s Jews and other recognized minorities**:
– They **cannot serve in the judiciary** or **security services**.
– They **cannot hold authority over Muslims** in the military.
– **Their blood money (restitution for crimes) is worth half of what a Muslim receives**.
([VOA, 2021](https://www.voanews.com/a/challenges-facing-iran-s-jewish-minority-attract-scrutiny-after-rabbi-s-us-visit/6326767.html))
So if you’re looking for an **actual apartheid-style system**, Iran’s **got you covered**.
### **Jewish Refugees: The Story No One Talks About**
The **Palestinian refugee crisis** is one part of the story. The part that **never** gets mentioned? The **850,000 Jews who were expelled from Arab and Muslim countries**.
– They lost **property, businesses, and entire communities** that had existed for centuries.
– They weren’t put into refugee camps for generations—they were **absorbed into Israel and rebuilt their lives**.
Why is one group’s displacement an international crisis, while the other is ignored?
### **Apartheid Exists—Just Not Where You Think**
If apartheid means **systematic discrimination based on ethnicity or religion**, then **many Middle Eastern and Asian countries fit the definition far better than Israel**:
– **Iran**: Non-Muslims **cannot** be judges or military commanders, and they get **half the legal restitution of a Muslim**.
– **Malaysia**: The **Bumiputera system** legally privileges ethnic Malays over non-Malays in business, education, and property rights.
– **Lebanon and Jordan**: **Palestinians are denied citizenship and barred from key professions**.
– **Saudi Arabia**: **Migrant workers live in segregated labor camps**, and **non-Muslims cannot become citizens**.
Yet **none of these countries are labeled apartheid states**. The only reason Israel gets singled out is because **it’s the only Jewish state in a sea of Muslim-majority countries**.
### **What’s the Real Problem?**
The real issue isn’t apartheid—it’s that **Palestinian leadership refuses to end the conflict**.
– The **West Bank is under military occupation because Palestinian leaders rejected statehood in 2000 and 2008**.
– Gaza is run by **Hamas, a terrorist group that openly calls for Israel’s destruction**.
– The moment a Palestinian leader **actually** agrees to peace **and enforces it**, the conflict ends.
This isn’t about race. It’s about **who’s willing to stop fighting—and who isn’t**.
### **Final Thought: The Apartheid Lie**
If you’re looking for apartheid, you’re looking in the wrong place.
**Israel is a multiethnic democracy** where Arabs vote, serve as judges, and hold political office.
– **The occupation exists because Palestinian leaders have rejected peace deals for 25 years**.
– **Apartheid actually exists in places like Iran, Malaysia, and Saudi Arabia—but those countries never get called out**.
If Israel’s critics were serious about apartheid, they’d look beyond their **single-minded obsession with the only Jewish state**—and start calling out **the actual apartheid regimes** in the region.
But that’s not the point, is it?
The point is you started with a false pretext and lies.
And why can’t you get the video “in your country”? In the US it is accessable.
I am in South Korea
Motive:
Hillary Emails Reveal True Motive for Libya Intervention
The email identifies French President Nicholas Sarkozy as leading the attack on Libya with five specific purposes in mind: to obtain Libyan oil, ensure French influence in the region, increase Sarkozy’s reputation domestically, assert French military power, and to prevent Gaddafi’s influence in what is considered “Francophone Africa.”
Most astounding is the lengthy section delineating the huge threat that Gaddafi’s gold and silver reserves, estimated at “143 tons of gold, and a similar amount in silver,” posed to the French franc (CFA) circulating as a prime African currency. In place of the noble sounding “Responsibility to Protect” (R2P) doctrine fed to the public, there is this “confidential” explanation of what was really driving the war [emphasis mine]:
This gold was accumulated prior to the current rebellion and was intended to be used to establish a pan-African currency based on the Libyan golden Dinar. This plan was designed to provide the Francophone African Countries with an alternative to the French franc (CFA).
Though this internal email aims to summarize the motivating factors driving France’s (and by implication NATO’s) intervention in Libya, it is interesting to note that saving civilian lives is conspicuously absent from the briefing.
Instead, the great fear reported is that Libya might lead North Africa into a high degree of economic independence with a new pan-African currency.
French intelligence “discovered” a Libyan initiative to freely compete with European currency through a local alternative, and this had to be subverted through military aggression.
The Ease of Floating Crude Propaganda
Early in the Libyan conflict Secretary of State Clinton formally accused Gaddafi and his army of using mass rape as a tool of war. Though numerous international organizations, like Amnesty International, quickly debunked these claims, the charges were uncritically echoed by Western politicians and major media.
It seemed no matter how bizarre the conspiracy theory, as long as it painted Gaddafi and his supporters as monsters, and so long as it served the cause of prolonged military action in Libya, it was deemed credible by network news….
What this new email confirms is that not only was the State Department aware of the spurious nature of what Blumenthal calls “rumors” originating solely with the rebels, but did nothing to stop false information from rising to top officials who then gave them “credence.”
It appears, furthermore, that the Viagra mass rape hoax likely originated with Sidney Blumenthal himself.
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2016/01/06/new-hillary-emails-reveal-true-motive-for-libya-intervention/
https://www.mediapart.fr/en/journal/international/041116/bulgarian-nurses-affair-gaddafi-regime-deliberately-infected-children-hiv
Qaddafi deserved what ever he got
You are god?
Why so much effort protecting Qaddafi and going after Israel ?
Who deserves to die here?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/aids-drugs-tested-on-foster-kids/
What Qaddafi did was worse
Stating facts is protecting?
No one gave a shit about the people as witnessed by the decay left behind after “humanitarian cause”.
Your projection of protection is glaring back at you.
Quaddafi bombed a US jet
He deserved what he got
Bloodthirsty you are! Thanks for revealing who you are.
I can’t read beyond first paragraph -paywalled.
you can see the headline and the organziation has zero to do with the US or Israel
“If this is true” in the second paragraph indicates no conclusion of assertions.
I believe their headline
The CIA 30 year plot to take him down probably is true.
Good for the CIA
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ER77vxxGVAY&pp=ygUUY2lhIGludGVydmlldyBwaWxnZXI=
John Pilger lol
Yeah, he made the CIA agent sound like a psychopath. It had nothing to do with the CIA agent being a psychopath. How hilarious that he overthrew a government and installed a dictator who killed thousands of people!
It’s a riot!
He never had a right to his war
https://swampland.time.com/2011/02/22/gaddafis-blood-soaked-hands/
As long as you think it’s fair game to mock sources through ad hominem:
Operation Mockingbird…
THE CIA AND THE MEDIA
How Americas Most Powerful News Media Worked Hand in Glove with the Central Intelligence Agency and Why the Church Committee Covered It Up
https://www.carlbernstein.com/the-cia-and-the-media-rolling-stone-10-20-1977
Who is John Pilger?
John Pilger is an apologist for Saddam Hussein
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/feb/02/foreignpolicy.iraq2
In last week’s edition of the New Statesman, one of the latter, John Pilger, takes this newspaper to task for allowing that it might be right to depose the Iraqi dictator, Saddam Hussein, by force. Even suggesting such a thing, he said, was a betrayal of the great traditions of the newspaper. Pilger, of course, has a way of turning disagreements with him into betrayals of the entire human race. But for many of us, this has become the most difficult and painful judgment to make. It is the kind of issue that divides families and friends.
Nothing about Iraq is hard for Pilger. He was opposed to using force to get Iraq out of Kuwait, opposed to the containment of Saddam through the enforcement of the no-fly zones, dismissive of the threats to the Kurdish people of the North. Many in his camp were in a favour of sanctions when the alternative was force, and were against sanctions when the alternative was nothing.
It isn’t like that here. In the offices of this newspaper, as you turn left out of the lift, just by the pigeonholes, is a photograph of a dead Observer journalist, Farzad Bazoft, who was hanged by Saddam Hussein in 1990. Bazoft’s photo always has flowers beneath it, placed there by his family and friends. As the journalist Robert Fisk subsequently commented, it was characteristic of Saddam that the first Bazoft knew about his imminent execution was when a British diplomat turned up at his prison to say goodbye. Saddam joked that Mrs Thatcher had asked for Bazoft to be returned and now he was being returned ‘in a box’.
https://quillette.com/2016/01/22/the-masochists-who-defend-sadists-the-regressive-left-in-theory-and-practice/
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The most contemptible of John Pilger’s declarations of left-wing solidarity was made in an interview with Green Left Weekly in January, 2004. The Australian journalist was asked whether the Left should support the anti-occupation movement in Iraq. Pilger replied:
Yes . . We cannot afford to be choosy. While we abhor and condemn the continuing loss of innocent life in Iraq, we have no choice now but to support the resistance.
One must remember that in the ranks of the resistance were the Ba’ath party loyalists and the newly arrived jihadists of al Qaeda, who set out to foment sectarian war and leave Iraqi civil society in ruins. And they succeeded. For Pilger, the fascists and Islamists were the true friends of the Western Left.
John Pilger is an apologist for Assad
https://eaworldview.com/2018/05/fall-of-a-journalist-john-pilger-and-syrias-disinformation-activists/
https://al-bab.com/blog/2018/05/telling-it-like-it-isnt-john-pilger-and-syria-truthers
John Pilger is also a disinformation artist
https://cst.org.uk/data/file/9/6/Antisemitic-Discourse-Report-2009.1425051919.pdf
John Pilger: Gaza “Holocaust denied: the lying silence of those who know”
Writing in the New Statesman magazine,
John Pilger not only compared Israel to Nazi Germany, but also invited comparison between those who deny the Israel-Nazi equation with those who deny the reality of the Nazi Holocaust. The article resonated with older antisemitic themes of Jewish control of the media and politics, with Pilger referring to “the world’s most efficient propaganda”, “mostly supine” media and claiming (then) President-elect Obama was “obsequious” to Zionism. The New Statesman entitled the article
as “Gaza Under Fire”26. Pilger’s own website prioritized the Holocaust denial
aspect, entitling it as “Holocaust denied: the lying silence of those who know”27. The article appeared on numerous other websites, mostly under one of these titles. Pilger’s opening described Gaza as “that death camp by the sea”, before making numerous claims about what the “Anglo American intelligentsia” supposedly do and do not secretly know about Israel. Having said that Yitzhak Rabin was “promoted by the world’s most efficient propaganda as a peacemaker”28, Pilger
cited Jews who have accused Israel of genocidal policies, including Richard Falk’s “Holocaust in the making”29, which Pilger claimed “is in its final stages”. Pilger also attacked the silence of (then) President-elect Obama, saying that it showed his “obsequiousness” (i.e. servility or compliance):“Obama’s silence on Palestine marks his approval, which is to be expected, given his obsequiousness to the Tel Aviv regime and its lobbyists during the presidential campaign and his appointment of Zionists as his secretary of state, chief of staff and principal Middle East advisers…Pilger continued, claiming that Israel’s actions were pre-determined by the“Dagan Plan”:“…a ‘solution’ that has seen the imprisonment of Palestinians behind a ghetto wall snaking across the West Bank and Gaza, effectively a concentration camp…a quisling government in Ramallah under Mohammed Abbas is Dagan’s achievement, together with a hasbara (propaganda) campaign relayed through a mostly supine, if intimidated, Western media…”This section of Pilger’s article seemingly uses the words “ghetto”, “concentration camp” and “quisling” to evoke Nazism. This sense is reinforced by his placing the word “solution” in quotation marks, reminiscent of the Nazi Holocaust term, “the final solution”, despite the same article later claiming that Ariel Sharon regards the “Dagan Plan” as a “1948-style solution”. The depiction of the “Western media” as “mostly supine” (i.e., lying down, or passive and indifferent) and “intimidated” Implies that Israel somehow controls overseas media. Pilger also alleged that the BBC is “cowed” (i.e., frightened or intimidated) as is “much of journalism” due to being “ever fearful of the smear of anti-Semitism. The unreported news, meanwhile, is that the death toll in Gaza is the equivalent of 18,000 dead in Britain. Imagine, if you can.”30 The article’s reference to actual Holocaust denial was not written by Pilger. Rather, Pilger cited Dr Dahlia Wasfi, an American with “a Jewish mother and an Iraqi Muslim father: ‘Holocaust denial is anti-Semitic,’ she wrote on 31 December. “But I’m not talking about World War Two, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (the president of Iran) or Ashkenazi Jews. What I’m referring to is the holocaust we are all witnessing and responsible for in Gaza today and in Palestine over the past 60 years…’”. Pilger concluded by noting how “in the dark year of 1939”, intellectuals in New York had spoken out against Nazism. He then contrasted this with the current situation, writing “…what happens in Gaza is the defining moment of our time, which either grants the impunity of war criminals, while we contort our own intellect and morality, or gives us the power to speak out…”
I don’t know that based on a headline.
Bulgarian nurses affair: Gaddafi regime ‘deliberately infected’ children with HIV
Ten years after the liberation of five Bulgarian nurses and a Palestinian doctor from Libya, mystery still surrounds how nearly 400 children in that country’s second city Benghazi contracted the HIV virus. Now Mediapart can reveal astonishing claims that it was the Libyan authorities themselves who obtained “phials” of the virus to infect many children, to shift blame on to the West. The astounding claims are made in a diary kept by the late Libyan prime minister Shukri Ghanem, who was later found dead in Vienna after fleeing Libya in 2011. Fabrice Arfi and Karl Laske report.
Fabrice Arfi and Karl Laske
“Claims”
The astounding claims are made in a diary kept by the late Libyan prime minister Shukri Ghanem, who was later found dead in Vienna after fleeing Libya in 2011. Fabrice Arfi and Karl Laske report.
Fabrice Arfi and Karl Laske
4 November 2016 à 18h06
“Claims”
https://www.latinamericanstudies.org/nicaragua/weapons.htm
And?
So the US fought the cold war the US was not always in the right but more often than not the US was
You've said "hello" to our newest Hasbara?The legendary "an answer for everything", no matter where the "answer" came from.
You made bro?
The 1988 Iranian Massacre: The Truth Behind Khomeini's Bloodstained Regime
The 1988 massacre of political prisoners in Iran was not merely a tragedy—it was a systematic act of state-sponsored extermination, carried out under the direct orders of Ayatollah Khomeini. Thousands of dissidents, primarily members of the People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran (PMOI/MEK), were slaughtered with chilling precision for daring to oppose the Islamist dictatorship. These victims, many of them young students and intellectuals, were hauled before kangaroo courts—so-called "Death Commissions"—which handed down death sentences within minutes. Their crime? They had the audacity to think, to resist, to defy Khomeini’s suffocating, theocratic tyranny.
This was not an act of war, nor was it the result of collateral damage. It was ideological mass murder—an extermination of anyone who stood in the way of Khomeini’s totalitarian vision. This was a purge of inconvenient minds, a calculated, cold-blooded effort to eliminate anyone who dared challenge the regime. The executions were carried out en masse, with bodies thrown into unmarked graves—erasing not just lives, but the very history of their resistance.
Let there be no mistake: this was no unfortunate byproduct of war. This was a deliberate, state-sanctioned massacre. Yet even today, the Iranian regime continues to deny the scale of this atrocity, hiding behind its narrative of religious righteousness, which it so frequently peddles to the world. And what of the international community? The so-called human rights defenders, forever eager to lecture the West about its sins, have shown little interest in confronting this barbarity. Why? Because this is not an act of Western imperialism, nor does it suit their narrative.
For the Khomeini apologists who continue to sing the praises of this regime, this is the truth. This was not some form of collateral damage or political miscalculation. It was a cold, calculated act of terror. The regime’s actions were not just brutal—they were grotesque, carried out in the name of a political and religious ideology that had no tolerance for dissent. To those who continue to downplay this horror, to those who seek to justify the regime’s actions—this is what you defend: a state that massacres its own people without a second thought, a regime that would rather erase history than confront its own blood-stained past.
The architects of this atrocity remain free, many still in positions of power within the Iranian regime. They walk unpunished, their hands still stained with the blood of thousands. And for those who perished in 1988, justice has never come. This massacre, this act of ideological cleansing, is a harrowing reminder of the true, sinister face of the Iranian regime—one that remains as violent, oppressive, and unrepentant as ever.
Source: OIAC Report on the 1988 Massacre, Britannica
Israel and its supporters claim it to be the only civilized state in sea of savages. Please stop the red herring tactics. By two wrongs do not make right or justify an action.
Well if you want to see how Iran and Iraq behaved during their war. I can show you.
You think Turkey is nicer when it goes after Kurds?
Israel doesn't act worst than other middile east nations in war .
That's crazy talk. No other country in the region can actually act like Israel since the US makes sure Israel maintains their military qualitative edge.
https://iran1988.org/sunday-telegraph-khomeini-fatwa-led-killing-30000-iran/
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/saddam-s-regime-may-have-killed-61-000-survey-1.513521
>>The United States-led occupation authority in Iraq has said that at least 300,000 people are buried in mass graves in Iraq.
Human rights officials put the number closer to 500,000 and some Iraqi political parties estimate more than one million were executed.<< https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/08/04/saddam-hussein-said-sanctions-killed-500000-children-that-was-a-spectacular-lie/
I was talking about the toys they use. The one-sidedness of all their "wars".
Well Israel is’t trying to destroy all muslims or arabs .
Question do you think Taiwan is a small country yes or no?
No when you all obesses about “greater Israel” be aware that ” greater Israel ” is smaller than Taiwan.
What does any of that have to do with what I said? I specified what I was talking about regarding Israel "acting worse" than other nations at war in the Middle East.
Israel doesn’t act worse than other mid east nations in war.
See the Iran Iraq war
or Syrias civil war if you need proof
The sheer one-sidedness of Israel's war on Gaza makes their actions worse. Much worse. Dropping 80,000 tons of bombs on 141 square miles of an area with no air defenses that is packed with civilians makes it worse. Cutting off around 80% of the aid that reaches the people those 80,000 tons of bombs are falling on makes it worse. Having "open fire kill zones" that cover damn near every inch of Gaza makes it worse. The Iran/Iraq war and what happened in Syria's "civil war" are piss poor comparisons.
Hamas isn’t fighting for their lives or a state they are fighting for over and above the Bill Clinton peace plan.
I bet you are one of those who thinks that Hamas would not be above stealing aid. Israel did not cut off 80% of aid but if they did then aid could have always gone via Egypt.
It is funny I don’t recall the US supplying North Korea with aid during the Korean war. Or Japan or Germany with aid during WW 2
By the way can you like show some famine in GAZA? Why not ?
Hamas isn't fighting for their lives or a state they are fighting for over and above the Bill Clinton peace plan.
Hamas has nothing to do with what I said. I don't back Hamas.
I bet you are one of those who thinks that Hamas would not be above stealing aid. Israel did not cut off 80% of aid but if they did then aid could have always gone via Egypt.
The aid was held up. Even the US admitted to that. Right before the election Biden gave Israel 30 days to get the aid up to 350 trucks (I believe, although at least 500 were needed) per day. Israel ignored that demand and after Harris lost, the US didn't do shit in response.
It is funny I don't recall the US supplying North Korea with aid during the Korean war. Or Japan or Germany with aid during WW 2
Gaza was dependent on aid before the war began. They're stuck in an outdoor prison. That didn't change. Comparing Gaza to Korea or Japan is ridiculous.
By the way can you like show some famine in GAZA? Why not ?
Did you see those 3 released Israeli soldiers that Trump said looked like survivors of the holocaust? Do you actually think that given the conditions in Gaza where 90% of the population has been displaced, 70% of the buildings turned to rubble by those 80,000 tons of bombs I mentioned and with 97% of their water contaminated there is no famine? And I suppose there are no dead bodies under that rubble since I can't see them either.
GAZA was an open air prison with Mercedes Benz dealerships
https://x.com/obsolete_utopia/status/1721078920555254213?lang=en There was no blockcade on GAZA before Hamas took power. Can you show starvation in GAZA? You won;t be able to . Why not?
Take a tour of GAZA two years ago
Israel confiscates Palestinian chocolate bars, claiming they would fund Hamas
Enjoy the video
https://www.youtube.com/wat…
Indian media ( not USA or Israel)
I'll pass. I don't need a video to tell me what I have witnessed over the last 19 years or especially the last 16 months. Israel treats the Palestinians in Gaza as subhumans. They even say it out loud. Obviously, you're an apologist for Israel.
Hamas started this war, and they should end it. None of the videos in question originate from Israeli sources. I’ve made it clear: I oppose sending Israel $3.8 billion a year. That hardly makes me an Israeli apologist. In fact, I’m less inclined to favor Israel than most U.S. presidents. That said, I have no respect for Israel’s enemies in the region. And those who have spent decades calling for Israel’s annihilation ought to reckon with their own history—particularly their treatment of Jews from the Middle East. If they can’t then they are free to shut up .
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/saddam-s-regime-may-have-killed-61-000-survey-1.513521
Crazy Talk
The United States-led occupation authority in Iraq has said that at least 300,000 people are buried in mass graves in Iraq.
Human rights officials put the number closer to 500,000 and some Iraqi political parties estimate more than one million were executed.
Without exhumations of those graves, it is impossible to confirm a figure.
Scientists told The Associated Press during a recent investigation that they have confirmed 41 mass graves on a list of suspected sites that currently includes 270 locations.
Forensic teams will begin to exhume four of those graves next month in search of evidence for a new tribunal, expected to be established this week, that will try members of the former regime for crimes against humanity and genocide. More graves will later be added to the list.
How about they fund their own apartheid and genocide? Not in my name. Or whatever euphemism you’d prefer to use.
I am against giving Israel 3. 8 Billion dollars a year. Better spend that money on nuclear energy . US energy dominance is harmful to Israel's mid east enemies.
The US gives the same deal more to South Korea Germany and Japan as they give Israel
SEE BELOW
49. Weaning South Korea
The U.S. government should
withdraw all American forces from South Korea over the next four years;
offer to sell Seoul whatever conventional weapons it wishes to purchase;
announce its intention to terminate the mutual defense treaty by the end of the decade;
continue improving relations with North Korea by meeting
America's obligations under the nuclear agreement, formalizing relations between the two countries, and lifting restrictions on trade and investment;
offer to help mediate territorial disputes between South Korea and neighboring nations;
encourage South Korea to expand security cooperation with Japan; and
promote South Korea's participation in regional political and security forums.
Washington continues to maintain a large military presence in East Asia despite the collapse of Soviet communism and the growing strength of America's allies. Particularly dramatic is the transformation of the Korean peninsula, where the United States spends between $15 billion and $20 billion a year to defend South Korea, a nation fully capable of defending itself.
In the aftermath of World War II, America's global interventionist foreign policy appeared to have a purpose: containment of the hegemonic threat posed by the Soviet Union and its satellites. Today, however, there is nothing left to contain. America's enemies are a handful of dismal, impoverished dictatorships.
file:///C:/Users/USER/Desktop/News/105-49.pdf
It’s not the same deal. Israel can commit war crimes and then investigate itself; Declare itself innocent. Look at the change in the Leahy Law. No other country gets that. Top USAID money : Ukraine, because of the war. But second, and more consistently: Israel.
The US sees everyone as an enemy or threat (except Israel). Go back to the Wolfowitz doctrine.
It includes western Europe. It’s about economic competition, not military threats. That’s why the pipeline was blown up. Germany’s economy was becoming a threat.
The goal of hegemony is to have the ongoing ability to extract wealth from any of the countries without blowback.
Same money with all those other countries. the other counties are not in a shooting war. Lets see how they act in a shooting war
"Lets see how they act in a shooting war"
gives ya' an itchy trigger finger just thinking about it – eh, commando stern?
fact is when it comes to money Germany Japan and Korea get the same deal or better than Israel.
Japan South Korea and Germany get the same deal or better than Israel .
It is true. Say otherwise.
Not a shift:
Israel colaborated with South Africa’s apartheid leaders | The Big Picture
In the 1970s and 80s, Israel developed a cosy relationship with apartheid leaders in South Africa – selling them weapons to suppress the Black population, and drawing inspiration from the Bantustans for their own oppression of Palestinians.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b0lfF9iu7pA
The PLO supported Idi Amin
In Israel muslims can be judges non muslims can not be judges in Iran and blacks could not be judges in South Africa
That doesn’t dispute what I wrote.
It does dispute any implication that Israel is aparthied and its enemies aren’t
You argued that the definition of apartheid
And genocide shifted. That somehow Israel wasn’t an apartheid.
Israel isn't aparthied under the South Africa designation. They had to morph stuff around to get Israel . If you morph stuff for Israel then why not their enemies?
muslims could be judges in Israel
Non muslims can not be judges in Iran
In Iran blood money of non muslims is worth 50% of muslims .
The Palestinians are under military occupation not apartheid anyway.
An occupation that could have been over if the Palestinian side had no rejected peace in 2000 and 2008
Israel is worse than the apartheid in South Africa.
Bullshit and bullshit.
I knew you were an apologist from your first comment. I should’ve left it there.
Goodbye.
you are confusing military occcupation and frozen conflict with aparthied
You are an apologist for Irans treatment of Jews "Iran is super paranoid of zionists" (So it is okay for Iran to do all of what I listened )
"Israel isn't aparthied under the South Africa designation. They had to morph stuff around to get Israel."
like ya keep asserting – w/o ever showing where
Similarly, although the international community began using the term apartheid in response to the political system in South Africa, the conventions and treaties that condemn, prohibit, and criminalize apartheid are drafted in a universal manner. **Our report does not argue that the system of apartheid enforced by Israel is the same or comparable to the situation in South Africa between 1948 and the mid-1990s.** Instead, it analyzes Israel’s systematic discrimination against Palestinians against definitions of apartheid in international law.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/research/2022/02/qa-israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-cruel-system-of-domination-and-crime-against-humanity/
"Our report does not argue that the system of apartheid enforced by Israel is the same or comparable to the situation in South Africa…Instead, it analyzes Israel’s systematic discrimination against Palestinians against definitions of apartheid in international law."
'But but but LOOK! Even they ADMIT the Israeli apartheid system isn't identical to South Africa's'?
Dishonestly or plain stupidly, you miss the authors' obvious point:
1/ As legal scholars, the authors frame their determination with a conventional proviso: "systems of oppression and domination will never be identical." (Palestinians not identical to Rohingya, Israel not identical to apartheid South Africa)
2/ So instead – in conventional legal fashion – the determination was arrived at "against [greater] definitions of apartheid in international law."
3/ Wanna claim international definitions of the crime of apartheid don't 'fit' Israel's oppression of Palestinians?
Should be easy: cite someone who actually makes the case vs. parroting the claim.
Appeal to authoriy . Who are those legal scholars and why ought the US or anyone give them the time of day.
There used to be 850 000 jews in arab and muslim lands they were persecuted and their property was confiscated. That neither Amesty international nor the UN will deal with the issue means that neither side has much credibility anymore.
That the UN just cancelled all monitoring of North Korea just tells us all what the UN really is .
"You argued…the definition of apartheid…shifted."
Notice that, in fact, he never does "argue" it:
rather, keeps asserting this w/o making a case that Israel's "policies and practices" (see above citation) are significantly different from apartheid South Africa's, or from any conventional definition of apartheid…
…followed by asserting, 'if they can shift definitions, so can I.'
Israel isn't apartheid but if you say they are then it applies to Israels enemies as well
Israel isn't trying to kill all arabs muslims or Palestinians .There are successful arab and muslims in Israel but outside of Morrocco zero successful jews in all arab and muslim land s
Where do you do stand up?
??? Didn’t get your meaning
Yinon Plan
Levy’s Three Factors
What does it take for one group of people to justify the pain and suffering of another group of people?
Several years ago, journalist Gideon Levy, who writes for the Israeli newspaper Haaretz as a trenchant critic of the occupation, argued that three factors are at play: chosenness, victimhood and dehumanization.
“Most Israelis believe deeply that we are the chosen people,” said Levy, “and we have the right to do whatever we want.”…
Resolution and Mediation at Tel Aviv University, a staggering 80 percent of Israeli Jews say their people’s suffering is unique in human history; 84 percent believe their victimization is worse than all other people that have suffered from persecution and injustice; and perhaps most troubling, 63 percent believe their victimhood grants them the moral entitlement to take any action in order to survive.
And the PLO was friends with Idi Amin
What did Idi Amin do to minorities in uganda?
It is a shift
https://www.timesofisrael.com/khaled-kabub-sworn-in-as-supreme-courts-first-muslim-justice/
Black people could not be judges in South Africa nor can non- muslims be judges in Iran
Iran by the way is one of the best countries in the middile east to be Jewish . Imagine what it is like to be Jewish in one of the " not best countries in the middile east to be Jewish".
"if you apply the modified apartheid designation used for Israel…"
…yah, like you keep asserting without showing how – not even a citation. why is that?
Similarly, although the international community began using the term apartheid in response to the political system in South Africa, the conventions and treaties that condemn, prohibit, and criminalize apartheid are drafted in a universal manner. Our report does not argue that the system of apartheid enforced by Israel is the same or comparable to the situation in South Africa between 1948 and the mid-1990s. Instead, it analyzes Israel’s systematic discrimination against Palestinians against definitions of apartheid in international law.
In Israel, Muslims can serve as judges. In contrast, Black people were not allowed to be judges in apartheid South Africa, and non-Muslims cannot be judges in Iran. In Iran, when seeking compensation, the blood of a non-Muslim is valued at only 50% of that of a Muslim (see my source above).
Ironically, Iran remains one of the better places in the Middle East for Jews.
What happens in Israel is not apartheid; it is a military occupation. This occupation could have ended if Arafat had accepted Bill Clinton’s peace plan or if Abbas had agreed to a similar proposal in 2008.
What does this have to do with Israel's abrogation of multiple agreements?
"Why can't my favorite country get away with it (and its specific crimes), when others do?" Would be my guess.
My favorite country is the US . As for the rest "Why do I only care when one country does what I am selectively outraged when I can find the same or worse in everyone country in the region"? Is what I see.
Excuse making for a genocidal at worst, ethnic cleansing at best rogue state (yes, the US is acting like one as well) appears as being highly in favor at least of said “State’s” vs. US’s interests.
Hamas is not fighting for their lives or for a state they are fighting and killing Israeli civilians in order to get over and above the Bill Clinton peace. plan. How exactly am I in faover of Israel versus the US.
By the way all enemeis of the US are thugs and with enemies like that the US must be dong something right. Disagree which enemy of the US will you defend? Which enemy had a right to their war . Do your best worst or whatever
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/tyrants.htm
What bigger thugs than the Israeli government, and members of the IDF in particular? It’s so bad that I see there are a record number of suicides of IDF members. Showing that their training doesn’t always overrule their consciences.
https://www.ncr-iran.org/en/news/human-rights/the-1988-massacre-in-iran/
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/saddam-s-regime-may-have-killed-61-000-survey-1.513521
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The United States-led occupation authority in Iraq has said that at least 300,000 people are buried in mass graves in Iraq.
Human rights officials put the number closer to 500,000 and some Iraqi political parties estimate more than one million were executed.
Without exhumations of those graves, it is impossible to confirm a figure.
Scientists told The Associated Press during a recent investigation that they have confirmed 41 mass graves on a list of suspected sites that currently includes 270 locations.
Forensic teams will begin to exhume four of those graves next month in search of evidence for a new tribunal, expected to be established this week, that will try members of the former regime for crimes against humanity and genocide. More graves will later be added to the list.
Statistics Of North Korean Democide Estimates, Calculations, And Sources*
https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP10.HTM
From 1948 through 1987 the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea was ruled by Kim Il-sung, an absolute communist dictator who has turned his country into an Orwellian state. People were so tightly controlled in all their activities, and those visitors that were allowed in were so managed, that comparatively little independent information about the regime’s purges, executions, and concentration and forced labor camps filtered out of the country. Nonetheless, through defectors, escapees, agents, Korean War refugees, and analyses of Korean publications and documents, a hazy picture emerges of systematic democide little different than that carried out in the first decades of the Soviet Union or early communist China.
Perhaps from 710,000 to slightly over 3,500,000 people have been murdered, with a mid-estimate of almost 1,600,000. But these figures are little more than educated guesses. In this case, Kim’s thought control over all his people and their foreign and domestic communications has protected him and his party from nothing more than deep suspicion about having committed democide so enormous as to be mega murder. But given the nature of his society and what bits and pieces have come out about his purges, labor camps, and executions, there is enough evidence to at least indict him and his party for this crime against humanity.
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/tyrants.htm
Question: Who was the Bloodiest Tyrant of the 20th Century?
Answer: We don’t know.
That’s probably the saddest fact of the Twentieth Century. There are so many candidates for the award of top monster that we can’t decide between them. Whether it’s Adolf Hitler, Mao Zedong or Iosif Stalin is, quite frankly, anybody’s guess.
For now, let’s just skip over the whole margin of error thing — reasonable people have studied the evidence and come up with wildly differing numbers. You’re free to check my sources, but for now, trust me. I’ve studied the matter at great length and decided that the most likely death toll for these three are:
TYRANT DEATHS
Mao 40Million
Hitler 34M
Stalin 20M
Well, that certainly looks like Mao is our man, but wait. Mao’s largest crime is the Great Leap Forward, a bungled attempt to restructure the economy of China which created a famine that killed some 30M. If we confine our indictment to deliberate killings, we get this:
TYRANT KILLINGS
Hitler 34M
Stalin 20M
Mao 10M
So it’s Hitler, right? Except that most of the deaths on his head were caused by the Second World War. Sure, he started it, but our society does not blanketly condemn the starting of wars (after all, we reserve the right to do it ourselves in a just cause), and we certainly don’t consider killing armed enemy soldiers in a fair fight to be a crime against humanity. If we therefore confine ourselves to the cold-blooded murder of unarmed non-combatants, our table rearranges itself again:
TYRANT MURDERS
Stalin 20M
Hitler 15M
Mao 10M
This brings Stalin floating to the top. So it look like once you reduce their crimes to the unjustifiably lowest common denominator, then Stalin is worst; however, you might want to argue that dead is dead so it really doesn’t matter if you give your victims a chance to fight back. Fighting an unjust or reckless war is certainly a crime against humanity, so our numbers should go back to:
TYRANT KILLINGS
Hitler 34M
Stalin 20M
Mao 10M
… and these are just the problems we’ll encounter if we accept my numbers without debate. If we want to use the estimates of other scholars, we can pin up to 50 million murders on Stalin, enough to push him to the top of the list regardless of definition. Or we can whittle him down to 10 million murders if we use the low end of the margin of error, and scrounge several more tens of millions for Mao, or away from him.
So, the answer to the question of “Who is roasting on the hottest fires in Hell?” is “Well, that depends…”
Secondary Level of Mass Murderers:
Obviously, we’re going to run into the same vagueries and uncertainties when we try to rank numbers 4 through 10 on the list of the 20th Century’s worst killers, but at least we can nominate the candidates. A pretty good case could be made that each of the following rulers (listed alphabetically) were responsible for over a million unjust, unnecessary or unnatural deaths by initiating or intensifying war, famine, democide or resettlement, or by allowing people under their control to do so:
Chiang Kai-shek (China: 1928-49)
Enver Pasha (Turkey: 1913-18)
Hirohito (Japan: 1926-89)
Hirota Koki (Japan: 1936-37)
Ho Chi Minh (North Vietnam: 1945-69)
Kim Il Sung (North Korea: 1948-94)
Lenin (USSR: 1917-24)
Leopold II (Belgium: 1865-1909)
Nicholas II (Russia: 1894-1917)
Pol Pot (Cambodia: 1975-79)
Saddam Hussein (Iraq: 1969- )
Tojo Hideki (Japan: 1941-44)
Wilhelm II (Germany: 1888-1918)
Yahya Khan (Pakistan: 1969-71)
Here are a few of the century’s rulers who could easily be indicted for causing hundreds of thousands of unnatural deaths. Although some might be acquitted due to inadequite evidence or mitigating circumstances, it might be a good idea to not build statues to them.
Idi Amin (Uganda: 1971-80)
Ion Antonescu (Romania: 1940-44)
Ataturk (Turkey: 1920-38)
Francisco Franco (Spain: 1939-75)
Gheoghe Gheorghiu-Dej (Romania: 1945-65)
Yakubu Gowon (Nigeria: 1966-76)
Radovan Karadzic (Serbian Bosnia: 1991-96)
Babrac Kemal (Afghanistan: 1979-87)
Le Duan (Vietnam: 1976-86)
Haile Mengistu (Ethiopia: 1974-91)
Benito Mussolini (Italy: 1922-43)
Ante Pavelic (Croatia: 1941-45)
Antonio de Salazar (Portugal: 1932-68)
Hadji Suharto (Indonesia: 1967-97)
Tito (Yugoslavia: 1945-80)
Didn’t know there was a contest to see which tyrant killed the most people, and therefor to be the most reviled. Generally, they kill as many as they can get away with, or as many as they think they “need” to. All in the same category. Evil is evil.
Really it also depends on why you fight. If Hamas lays down their weappos there will l be peace, If Israel lays down their weapons Israel will be destroyed, Anyway you made the contention that Israel is worse than their enemies and anyone elese. As you can see that is not the case
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Ba’athist Arabization campaigns in northern Iraq
Part of Ba’athism and the Iraqi–Kurdish conflict
Map that includes the present Kurdistan Region of Iraq and roughly defines so called “disputed territories”
Location Ba’athist Iraq
Date 1968–2003
Target Mainly Kurds, but also Turkmen, Yazidis, Assyrians, Shabaks, Armenians.
Attack type Demographic engineering via ethnic cleansing
Between 1968 and 2003, the ruling Arab Socialist Ba’ath Party of the Iraqi Republic perpetrated multiple campaigns of demographic engineering against the country’s non-Arabs. While Arabs constitute the majority of Iraq’s population as a whole, they are not the majority in all parts of northern Iraq. In an attempt to Arabize the north, the Iraqi government pursued a policy of ethnic cleansing, killing and forcefully displacing a large number of Iraqi minorities—predominantly Kurds, but also Turkmen, Yazidis, Assyrians, Shabaks and Armenians, among others—and subsequently allotting the cleared land to Arab settlers.[3][4][5][6][7] In 1978 and 1979 alone, 600 Kurdish villages were burned down and around 200,000 Kurds were deported to other parts of Iraq.[2]
Anfal Campaign and Kurdish Genocide
Hundreds of thousands of men, women, and children were executed during a systematic attempt to exterminate the Kurdish population in Iraq through the Anfal operations in the late 1980s. Victims were bound together and shot, their bodies falling into mass graves. Kurdish towns and villages were attacked with chemical weapons, and many women and children were forcibly sent to camps, where they endured appalling conditions. Men and boys of "battle age" were specifically targeted and executed en masse. The campaign derives its name from Surah al-Anfal in the Qur'an. While "Anfal" means "the spoils (of war)," the Ba'athist regime misused this term, distorting its religious context to justify genocide. The campaign also targeted minority communities, including Christians.
However, the Kurdish genocide began long before the Anfal campaign, spanning decades and claiming countless victims. It started with the Arabization of villages around Kirkuk in 1963, continued with the deportation and disappearances of Faylee Kurds in the 1970s and 1980s, the mass murder of 8,000 male Barzanis in 1983, and the use of chemical weapons in the late 1980s, most notably against Halabja. The Anfal campaign of 1988 was the culmination of these atrocities. In total, hundreds of thousands perished, families were shattered, and many survivors continue to suffer severe health complications. Furthermore, between 1976 and 1988, 4,500 Kurdish villages were razed, devastating Iraqi Kurdistan’s agricultural potential and cultural heritage.
What Does 'Anfal' Mean?
The term "al-Anfal" refers to a series of orchestrated attacks against the Kurdish population in Iraq. Saddam Hussein and his cousin Ali Hassan al-Majid (known as "Chemical Ali") used this term to label the eight-stage genocidal campaign that took place between February 23 and September 6, 1988. In Kurdish society, "Anfal" has since come to symbolize the decades-long genocide against the Kurdish people.
The Kurdish Genocide: The Facts
An estimated 1 million people in Iraq have "disappeared" since the 1960s, presumed murdered or missing.
Human Rights Watch's 1993 report on Anfal states that at least 50,000 to 100,000 Kurds were killed by the Ba’ath regime.[1] Other sources estimate the death toll to be as high as 182,000.
Gendercide: Men and boys of "battle age" were systematically rounded up and executed. Approximately 70% of Anfal’s victims were men aged 15 to 50.[2]
Thousands of women and children also vanished. Evidence suggests they were either executed or died in internment camps due to deprivation.[3]
During the 1980s, chemical weapons were used against the Kurdish population, killing thousands indiscriminately.
The Anfal campaign led to the destruction of 90% of Kurdish villages and more than 20 small towns and cities.[4]
Anniversaries and Key Dates
March 16: Halabja Day – Commemoration of the 1988 chemical bombing of Halabja
April 14: Commemoration of the Anfal genocide (1988)
July 10: Remembrance of 40,000 displaced civilians from Kirkuk (1962)
July 31: Remembrance of the Barzani disappearance (1983)
August 18: Remembrance of the Surria village mass killing (1969)
September 4: Remembrance of the mass killing of Faylee Kurds (1980)
Chemical Bombardment Anniversaries
Chemical attacks were carried out in hundreds of Kurdish communities between 1984 and 1988. Some key dates include:
March 16, 1988: Halabja city chemical bombing
April 16-21, 1987: Chemical bombardment of multiple villages
May 3, 1988: Chemical attack on Goptapa and surrounding villages
June 28, 1987: Bombardment of Sardasht city (Iran)
August 9, 1988: Chemical attacks in Bahdinan district and Gali Baze area
The Anfal Campaign of 1988
The 1988 Anfal campaign took place in eight stages, resulting in the deaths of 182,000 civilians and the destruction of thousands of villages. The stages unfolded as follows:
February 21 – March 18, 1988: First stage in Dolli Jafayty Marg
March 22 – April 14, 1988: Second stage in Qaradakh district
March 31 – April 14, 1988: Third stage in Garmyan district
April 20 – April 18, 1988: Fourth stage in Askar district, Goptapa, Shwan, and surrounding areas
May 24 – August 31, 1988: Fifth, sixth, and seventh stages in Shaqlawa and Rewandiz districts
August 25 – September 6, 1988: Eighth stage in the Badinan district
Sources
[1] Human Rights Watch. (1993) ‘Genocide in Iraq – The Anfal Campaign Against the Kurds.’ Available at: http://www.hrw.org/legacy/english/docs/2006/08/14/iraq13979_txt.htm
[2] Human Rights Watch (1994) Iraq’s Crime of Genocide, p. 266-268
[3] Human Rights Watch (1994) Iraq’s Crime of Genocide, p. 13, 96, 115, 171
[4] Kendal Nezan, Le Monde Diplomatique, March 1998
[5] Kurdistan Regional Government. ‘Anfal Campaign and Kurdish Genocide.’ Available at: https://us.gov.krd/en/issues/anfal-campaign-and-kurdish-genocide/
REDONE AND SOURCED
If you want to continue commenting here, you’re going to need to stop plagiarizing other people’s work without attribution.
noted in the past I just posted a photo of the article but that was frowned upon as well
Most of the time I do post the source
need the source of the above?
I’m not sure what you mean by “frowned upon.” If a photo was held for moderation, it’s probably because Disqus misinterpreted it as spam.
As moderator, my only concern is that if you’re going to paste an entire lengthy article into comments, you say where it came from. Otherwise, you’re just pretending you wrote it and there are copyright implications that Antiwar.com has to keep an eye out for.
As a commenter — NOT as moderator — I personally just find it annoying when people try to flood the zone with copy and paste crap instead of making their arguments and perhaps linking to supportive cites.
Question have I been doing that alot of only once? because it seems above was the first time I forgot to cite
REDONE AND SOURCED
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The Unforgivable Genocide: Saddam Hussein’s Anfal Campaign and the Brutal Erasure of the Kurdish People
Hundreds of thousands of men, women, and children were executed in the late 1980s as part of Saddam Hussein’s systematic attempt to eradicate the Kurdish population in Iraq. The Anfal campaign — a grotesque and calculated act of genocide — witnessed victims bound together and shot, their bodies thrown into mass graves. Kurdish towns and villages were bombed with chemical weapons, and countless women and children were forcibly sent to camps where they endured unimaginable conditions. Men and boys of "battle age" were specifically targeted for execution. This campaign, named after the Qur’anic term *Anfal*—meaning "the spoils (of war)"—was distorted by the Ba'athist regime to justify this horrific bloodshed, using religious context to legitimize their monstrous intentions. The regime’s brutality was not limited to the Kurds; minority communities, including Christians, also suffered at their hands.
But the Kurdish genocide didn’t start with the Anfal campaign. It was part of a broader, decades-long campaign of terror, starting as early as 1963 with the Arabization of villages around Kirkuk, continuing through the 1970s and 1980s with the forced deportations and disappearances of the Faylee Kurds, the massacre of 8,000 male Barzanis in 1983, and the repeated use of chemical weapons—most notably in Halabja. The 1988 Anfal campaign was the bloody climax to these atrocities. In total, hundreds of thousands died, families were destroyed, and survivors are left to bear lifelong physical and psychological scars. From 1976 to 1988, over 4,500 Kurdish villages were razed to the ground, destroying both the agricultural potential and cultural heritage of Iraqi Kurdistan.
### What Does 'Anfal' Mean?
*Anfal* refers to the brutal eight-stage campaign against the Kurdish population orchestrated by Saddam Hussein and his cousin, Ali Hassan al-Majid, also known as "Chemical Ali." The campaign spanned from February 23 to September 6, 1988. The term "Anfal," now synonymous with the decades of genocide against the Kurds, was co-opted by Saddam's regime to justify the mass slaughter. In Kurdish society, it has become a symbol of unimaginable suffering and loss.
### The Kurdish Genocide: The Facts
An estimated **1 million** people in Iraq have "disappeared" since the 1960s, presumed to have been murdered or lost forever.
Human Rights Watch’s 1993 report on the Anfal campaign estimates that at least **50,000 to 100,000 Kurds** were killed by Saddam's regime. Other sources suggest the death toll may have reached **182,000**.
A chilling part of this campaign was the **gendercide**: men and boys of "battle age" were singled out, systematically rounded up, and executed. Approximately **70% of Anfal’s victims were men** between the ages of 15 and 50. Thousands of women and children were also killed or disappeared, many presumed to have either died in internment camps from disease and deprivation, or executed outright. Evidence of these atrocities remains scattered across Iraq and in mass graves, their victims little more than forgotten statistics to the regime that sought to eliminate them.
The widespread use of **chemical weapons** against the Kurdish population during the 1980s resulted in untold suffering, with entire villages decimated and thousands perishing from the toxic fallout. **The Anfal campaign** led to the complete destruction of over **90% of Kurdish villages** and more than **20 towns and cities**.
### Saddam’s Terror in Baghdad: An Additional Horror
As if the Anfal campaign were not enough, new data reveals the scale of Saddam Hussein’s cruelty extended far beyond the Kurdish region. A Gallup survey, obtained by The Associated Press, has revealed that **Saddam’s regime may have executed up to 61,000** people in Baghdad alone—significantly more than previously believed. The survey, based on interviews with 1,178 Baghdad residents in August and September, revealed that **6.6% of respondents** claimed a family member had been executed by Saddam’s regime. Applying these figures to Baghdad’s population, it is estimated that **61,000 people** were killed in the capital. This horrific figure adds a new layer to the scale of Saddam's tyranny, highlighting the indiscriminate violence and terror he unleashed not just on Iraq’s Kurds, but on all of his perceived enemies.
Most of these victims are believed to have been buried in **mass graves**, scattered across Iraq, their lives erased from history.
### Anniversaries and Key Dates
– **March 16**: **Halabja Day** – Commemoration of the 1988 chemical bombing of Halabja
– **April 14**: **Commemoration of the Anfal genocide** (1988)
– **July 10**: Remembrance of **40,000 displaced civilians from Kirkuk** (1962)
– **July 31**: Remembrance of the **Barzani disappearance** (1983)
– **August 18**: Remembrance of the **Surria village mass killing** (1969)
– **September 4**: Remembrance of the **mass killing of Faylee Kurds** (1980)
### Chemical Bombardment Anniversaries
Chemical attacks, a cornerstone of Saddam's genocidal approach, were carried out in hundreds of Kurdish communities from 1984 to 1988. Some key dates include:
– **March 16, 1988**: Halabja city chemical bombing
– **April 16-21, 1987**: Chemical bombardment of multiple villages
– **May 3, 1988**: Chemical attack on Goptapa and surrounding villages
– **June 28, 1987**: Bombardment of Sardasht city (Iran)
– **August 9, 1988**: Chemical attacks in Bahdinan district and Gali Baze area
### The Anfal Campaign of 1988
The eight stages of the 1988 Anfal campaign were nothing short of a horror show, each more brutal than the last. Between February 23 and September 6, 1988, over **182,000 civilians** were killed and **thousands of villages** destroyed. The stages unfolded as follows:
– **February 21 – March 18, 1988**: First stage in Dolli Jafayty Marg
– **March 22 – April 14, 1988**: Second stage in Qaradakh district
– **March 31 – April 14, 1988**: Third stage in Garmyan district
– **April 20 – April 18, 1988**: Fourth stage in Askar district, Goptapa, Shwan, and surrounding areas
– **May 24 – August 31, 1988**: Fifth, sixth, and seventh stages in Shaqlawa and Rewandiz districts
– **August 25 – September 6, 1988**: Eighth stage in the Badinan district
### Sources:
– [Human Rights Watch. (1993) ‘Genocide in Iraq – The Anfal Campaign Against the Kurds.’]( http://www.hrw.org/legacy/english/docs/2006/08/14/iraq13979_txt.htm)
– [Human Rights Watch (1994) Iraq’s Crime of Genocide, p. 266-268]( https://www.hrw.org/report/1994/11/01/iraqs-crime-genocide)
– [Kendal Nezan, Le Monde Diplomatique, March 1998]( https://mondediplo.com )
– [Kurdistan Regional Government. ‘Anfal Campaign and Kurdish Genocide.’]( https://us.gov.krd/en/issues/anfal-campaign-and-kurdish-genocide/)
– [Irish Times: Saddam’s regime may have killed 61,000 – survey]( https://www.irishtimes.com/news/saddam-s-regime-may-have-killed-61-000-survey-1.513521)
It was about posters getting upset aboout aparthied in someplaces and not others For reasons I can guess. As for the rest why do you care about what happens in the Philadephi Corridor. Oh I can guess there too.
I dislike apartheid, ethno-nationalism, etc., wherever they’re practiced or promoted.
I tale your word for it. . As for a lot of other posters they are upset sometimes when something occurs and not upset when WORSE goes on other times.
Absolutely. There are posters here who obviously believe Israel can do no wrong, and posters who obviously believe Israel can do no right.
Personally, I’m in the Nietszche camp: “Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.”
All states. All the time. Without exception.
I don't believe israel can do no wrong , They could start by not taking 3. 8 billion dolllars a year from the US. However I did not start with the use of "Aparthied" as if it does not go on thoughout the middile east.
“Apartheid” is a pretty specific term. Israel’s system is extremely close to that of the place where the term was coined, South Africa.
Not everything bad is “apartheid.”
In Israel muslims can be judges . Black people could not be judges in South Africa nor can non muslims in Iran. In Iran non muslim blood is worth 50% of muslim blood when seeking compensation. (see my source above)
The irony of course is that Iran is one of the best places in the middile east to be Jewish.
What goes on in Israel isn't apartheid . It is Military occupation . The military occuption would be over had Arafat not rejected Bill Clintons peace plan or if Abbas had not rejected a similar plan in 2008
You are conflating apartheid with military occupation, which could have ended if the Palestinian leadership had accepted peace offers in 2000 and 2008. The Palestinian stance is that Israel must withdraw to the 1967 borders unconditionally, without providing security assurances or any commitment that the Palestinians will not restart war if the strategic situation shifts in their favor.
"You are conflating apartheid with military occupation."
Wrong again – UN and International Criminal Court critics clearly recognize Israel's military occupation and its apartheid as distinct, though overlapping, elements of its criminality:
"'Israel’s occupation of Palestine is the longest and one of the most deadly military occupations in the world. For decades it has been characterised by widespread and systematic human rights violations against Palestinians. The occupation has also enabled and entrenched Israel’s system of apartheid imposed on Palestinians,' said Agnès Callamard, Amnesty International’s Secretary General.
“'Over the years, Israel’s military occupation has evolved into a perpetual occupation in flagrant violation of international law.'"
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/israel-must-end-its-occupation-of-palestine-to-stop-fuelling-apartheid-and-systematic-human-rights-violations/
I don’t care about the UN or the ICJ . They don’t apply to the US
. The UN took money from Saddam Hussein. And put Qaddafi on the Human rights council
Amenesty by their own addmission hasn’t and won’t investiage Israels enmeies for Aparthied
Indeed the UN is nothing but a platform for the global south to have a voice against the US which the US pays 20 B a year for
As for as I am concerned the US ought to quit the UN and expel the organization .
I am sure The US doesn’t need to listen to the global south , the UN or the will of the international community we are above that .
FREE NORTH KOREA
"I don't care about the UN or the ICJ . They don't apply to the US"
Gotta love it – now you've given up even tryna' support your unsupported johnny-one-note claim that Israel isn't a criminal apartheid state.
Instead: 'Law? No legal defense needed! Israel and the US is a law unto itself!'
The UN is a deeply flawed organization lacking transparency and accountability.
Why should the U.S. or any other nation take it seriously? Legitimate legal bodies operate with clear accountability, yet the UN faces little to none.
As I said there are successful arabs and muslims in Israel but out side of Morocco there are zero successful Jews in all arab and muslim lands
Look at this
https://www.theguardian.com…
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Oil-for-food report condemns 'corrupt' UN
Annan comes under fire as inquiry calls for broad reform
Ewen MacAskill, diplomatic editor
Wed 7 Sep 2005 09.42 BST
The UN is guilty of "corrosive corruption", according to a long-awaited investigation published today into the handling of the multimillion-pound Iraq oil-for-food programme.
The 1,000-page report by Paul Volcker, former head of the US Federal Reserve, found "serious instances of illicit, unethical and corrupt behaviour within the United Nations".
<<
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Qaddafi’s Libya wins presidency of UN human rights commission
https://unwatch.org/from-th… <<
https://www.mediapart.fr/en/journal/international/041116/bulgarian-nurses-affair-gaddafi-regime-deliberately-infected-children-hiv
Who practices arpartheid?
ANTI JEWISH RIOT ALGERIA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1934_Constantine_riots
ANTI JEWISH RIOT IRAQ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farhud
ANTI JEWISH RIOT SYRIA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_anti-Jewish_riots_in_Aleppo
ANTI JEWISH RIOT LIBYA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Anti-Jewish_riots_in_Tripolitania
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_of_Revenge
ATTACKS ON JEWS IN EGYPT
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Cairo_bombings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1945_anti-Jewish_riots_in_Egypt
https://twitter.com/aabhas24/status/1248286408462061568?lang=en
Palestinians: What will happen to the Israelis when you take back Palestine of 1948 (Israel)?
Palestinians: When Palestine is free from river to sea, what happens to the Jews?
"FREE NORTH KOREA"
Drop yr cock n' grab yr glock, patriot boy! Commie in yr closet! KILL, PATRIOT BOY, KILL!
"Amenesty…won't investiage Israels enmeies for Aparthied"
Iran again? But you never showed Iran IS an apartheid state – that was just you blabbering out unsupported assertions.
Look – one more chance: just cite a legal definition of apartheid that shows Iran's evils are apartheid, and all is forgiven…
…oh but jeeze, I forgot – you and the US and Israel are ABOVE law. There goes that idea.
ps – pretty sure there's a red under yr bed…maybe start reaching fr that firearm on yr bedside table? Slow…at's it…reeee-yul sloww, pard'…n' then BLAMMO!
Well
SEE for yourself
But Iran’s Jews and other recognized minorities are barred by law from serving in the judiciary and security services. They also cannot hold authority over Muslims in the armed forces.
When Jews and other recognized minorities seek “blood money” as restitution for various crimes, Iranian law reduces the value of that blood money to half of what a Muslim is entitled to.
https://www.voanews.com/a/challenges-facing-iran-s-jewish-minority-attract-scrutiny-after-rabbi-s-us-visit/6326767.html
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/irans-regime-slated-to-execute-innocent-young-jew-on-monday-801589
Compare
But Iran’s Jews and other recognized minorities are barred by law from serving in the judiciary and security services. They also cannot hold authority over Muslims in the armed forces.
When Jews and other recognized minorities seek “blood money” as restitution for various crimes, Iranian law reduces the value of that blood money to half of what a Muslim is entitled to.
https://www.voanews.com/a/challenges-facing-iran-s-jewish-minority-attract-scrutiny-after-rabbi-s-us-visit/6326767.html
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/irans-regime-slated-to-execute-innocent-young-jew-on-monday-801589
Iran’s Jews and other recognized minorities face legal discrimination, including being barred from serving in the judiciary and security services or holding authority over Muslims in the military. Additionally, Iranian law grants them only half the blood money compensation that a Muslim would receive. (*VOA News*)
"israel…could start by not taking 3. 8 billion dolllars a year from the US."
No it couldn't. "A senior Israeli air force told Haaretz…US supplies of weapons…are the main reason Israel has been able to keep the war on Gaza going. Without American support, the official says Israel would have struggled to sustain its war for more than a few months."
("Israel would have struggled to maintain Gaza war without US support: Report" (Middle East Eye, 9/3/24)
Hamas started the war and they say they will attack again
As long as Israel fixes the money issue I have no issue with arms sales to Israel
Are we Americans paying for those countries that you are claiming are engaged in apartheid practices?
Spend the 3.8 billion the US gives to Israel on nuclear power. US energy dominance is harmful to Israel's mid east enemies. Solved
Not $3.8 Billion. It was $8.7 billion in 2024.
The USA should give zero foreign aid to any country. If Americans wish, they can give their own money.
sambor71: "Are we Americans paying for those countries that you are claiming are engaged in apartheid practices?"
stern: "[Halt] the 3.8 billion the US gives to Israel…Solved."
Irrelevant to the poster's obvious point:
one of the main, declared reasons Americans protest Israel's apartheid and genocide – and not Iran's evils – is that, militarily and politically, the US is enabling Israel's crimes.
Same way Jews like me feel it's especially important to protest when Israel and genocide apologists defend Israel's crimes 'in the name of Jews.'
Israel doens’t act worse than other nations in war
The US put more hurt on North Korea during the Korean war than Israel put on GAZA to stop the invasion of KIM IL SUNG
and the US was right to do so
Israel doesn’t practice aparthied or genocide.The Palestiniians are not an ethnic group or a people . Israel isn’t trying to kill all muslims or arabs or all Palestiniians . There are successful arabs and muslims in Israel but outside of Morrocco no successful Jews in arab and muslim lands
Palestinians are both an ethnic group (“a community or population made up of people who share a common cultural background or descent”) or a people (“human beings making up a group or assembly or linked by a common interest”). Whether you like that or not is irrelevant to whether it’s true or not.
In a March 1977 interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw, Mohsen made the following remark:[7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuheir_Mohsen
“The Palestinian people does not exist … there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese. Between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese there are no differences. We are all part of one people, the Arab nation […] Just for political reasons we carefully underwrite our Palestinian identity. Because it is of national interest for the Arabs to advocate the existence of Palestinians to balance Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons[…] Once we have acquired all our rights in all of Palestine, we must not delay for a moment the reunification of Jordan and Palestine”.
"Israel doesn't practice aparthied."
As cited, multiple legal authorities and high courts have determined Israel's "policies and practices" make it a criminal apartheid state.
As noted, you incessantly repeat, 'It's not apartheid' without once supporting your assertion with arguments, facts, or a citation…
…defenses you've been given a whole lot more time and chances to make than you deserve.
At this point, it's clear you are simply too lazy or mentally incapable, or too much of a zealot to even try backing up your false claim.
But not to worry – you've got one last, incessantly repeated argument: 'NAAH! IT'S NOT TRUE! YA' DIRTY ANTI-SEMITE!'
citations are coming . Right now comments are being held up
I am on quora why not go there instead of a safe echo chamber?
If this is a safe echo chamber, how is it that both you and people you disagree with are commenting?
It is a game in a hostile stadium. I never post on websites that agree with me. I never understood what the fun is in that.
Sure, if by “hostile,” you mean “some people test my claims instead of just believing as I demand they believe.”
It is more serious than that but as I said before . I don’t get why anyone posts on sympathetic websites unless it is to share information.
By the way IMHO here is one of the the most effective advocates for the sypathietic Israel position.
Being that you are somewhat open minded sometimes. You might want to hear him out.
@knappster:disqus I know you're an equal opportunity skeptic but fyi, this Rudy character is hasbara at its best. He is an Israeli soldier who goes around filming on campuses and events praying on unwitting Palestinians and those ignorant of the conflict. He talks with a forked tongue, offering pie in the sky solutions while conveniently having no influence with the "genocidal" government. However, he's like Joseph Goebbels, master of "respectable" Zionist propaganda.
Fear from a message
Preying on “Those ignorant of the conflict”( who are protesting against Israel .)
They are “ignorant of the conflict ” AND protesting against Israel
What is wrong with this picture?
I guess you like it when people are ” ignorant of the conflict.” HMM
Rudy Rochman is not an Israeli solider other than he was called up for the GAZA war.
.
You don’t want anyone seeing him.
Wonder why ( well not really)
Your own message betrayed you.
@disqus_fv1O8rZFYs:disqus these antics only work behind closed doors to plot how to overcome the PR catastrophe that has befallen Israel. Its not working here. Let's setup a public debate venue on a topic we agree on.
They're ignorant because you don't have to know much to know what israel is doing is wrong.
And if you don't want to debate bring Rudy.
@knappster:disqus@disqus_qhuce9v5DO:disqus@John_Shamesh:disqus@disqus_E05j4B3lQf:disqus@sambor71:disqus@warsrus:disqus@existentialdread:disqus@disqus_jzsK7ljwo3:disqus@disqus_2I7BlFg7RQ:disqus@unclesapien:disqus@disqus_yQfZ1jQKBt:disqus@krzysztfwdi:disqus
Of course Rudy ‘s videos it won’t work on anti war .com
Take your public debate to Quora .
They are ignorant and they protest against Israel
And way anytime you want to debate lets take it to Quora. Neutral venue not “a sympathic to you” venue.
There has already been a public debate for years and your side lost. At least in the US they lost.
You can come up with all the conspiracy theories you want but you haven’t won in the mainsteam and you won’t win now.
I can already tell you will lose in a public debate cause you use the greyzone and scott Ritter. They might be accepted on this site. They don’t work in the mainsteam.
Nazis references will be met with this video
The history network
Anway you are another one that think Israel ought to be destoyed while at the same time Israels mid east enemies don't need to make up for any wrongs they did to mid east jews.
@knappster:disqus I saw a reply from @disqus_fv1O8rZFYs:disqus and I went in to check and disqus says
"Darn it!
Something went wrong while trying to load this feed. Try again in a little while.
Please visit Discuss Disqus to learn more."
I don't see any comment from him. And now my computer is typing slow and the fan is overheating. These "Mossad" trolls are cowards, a danger to free speech and increasingly desperate.
@disqus_qhuce9v5DO:disqus@John_Shamesh:disqus@disqus_E05j4B3lQf:disqus@warsrus:disqus@existentialdread:disqus@disqus_jzsK7ljwo3:disqus@disqus_2I7BlFg7RQ:disqus@unclesapien:disqus@disqus_yQfZ1jQKBt:disqus@krzysztfwdi:disqus
The only stopping of free speech is you wanting to stop these videos
Look Mid Eastern to me
We don’t run Disqus. And I’ve occasionally had the same “slow typing” problem you just described.
Once a year or so, I check out alternative systems for commenting and occasionally point Eric at some possibilitiess, but we haven’t found one yet that really seems to be any better overall.
"citations are coming"
my entire day of remote work – including checking in on yr dumbassery – is done.
you've only had a whole freakin' day to post one measly citation supporting yr endlessly repeated claim – & now you've got all night
Who cares what those legal scholars think? No one elected them. Appealing to their authority is a logical fallacy, and if you ever studied logic—assuming you even went to school—you’d know that.
Israel has successful Arabs and Muslims in every field, yet outside of Morocco, there are virtually no successful Jews in Arab or Muslim-majority countries. In Israel, Muslims can serve as judges, but in Iran, non-Muslims are barred from doing so—just like how black people were excluded from the judiciary in apartheid South Africa.
As for the West Bank, Israel’s occupation remains a frozen conflict because the Palestinian leadership demands unconditional withdrawal with no guarantees that they won’t restart the war when conditions favor them.
How do we actually know he killed the guy in self defense? No witnesses are quoted in your story.
at any rate the family was going to accept blood money but when they heard he was Jewish they cancelled it . You did’t mentioned the other items in the article
Yes. That is wrong.
But the article was clearly propaganda, how many times did they write “An innocent Jew”? Did he kill the Muslim for not paying back the debt? We don’t know that. So already the article pissed me off.
Changing the subject .
How so ?
https://youtu.be/HHV1QUs-BA4?feature=shared
Israel has muslim judges , In Iran non muslims can not be judges. In Iran non muslim blood is worth 50% of muslim blood when deciding compensation. I am sure Jews in Iran approve of Iran’s holocuast cartoon contests.
If you want to make “blood value” comparisons, the Israeli regime clearly values Jewish blood far more than twice as much as Muslim blood. Look at the very high ratio of Muslim hostages the Israeli regime is trading for Jewish hostages.
If you want to make “blood value” comparisons, the Israeli regime clearly values Jewish blood far more than twice as much as Muslim blood. Look at the very high ratio of Muslim hostages the Israeli regime is trading for Jewish hostages.
bad comp they value their own citizens and they are often trading those convicted of violent crimes from Israeli citizens convicted of nothing . Iran has a law where muslim blood is worth 2x of non muslims . There is no such law in Israel. Also I think on a few occations the US traded lots of Taliban prisoners for one US soldier. Anyway bad comp on your part
“Bad comp” is a strange way of saying “inconvenient truth.”
You mean Israel willing to trade lot of Palestinian prisioners for a few Israeli hostages is the same as Iranian law saying when it comes to murder muslim blood is worth 2x that of non muslims?
A former head of Israel’s Mossad intelligence agency told The Associated Press on Wednesday that Israel is enforcing an apartheid system in the West Bank, joining a tiny but growing list of retired officials to endorse an idea that remains largely on the fringes of Israeli discourse and international diplomacy.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-09-06/ty-article/there-is-an-apartheid-state-here-ex-mossad-chief-on-israels-west-bank-occupation/0000018a-6abe-dfd9-ad9f-efbe5c720000
I bet if you asked the head of Israel Mossad if Iran is an apartheid state he would say they are as well .
How are Jews treated in mid east nations not called Israel
The occupation would have been over had Arafat not turned down peace. Likewise Abbas turned down a similar offer in 2008
‘Peaceful existence’: Jews in Iran freely observe their religion, communal leader says
Iranian Muslims respect Jews who pray regularly, fast, abstain from certain foods and believe in the messiah, a local cantor and educator said at an online event.
Contrary to a commonly held belief, Jews living in Iran find it easier to practice their religion today than they did prior to the Islamic Revolution of 1979, according to a longtime leader of the Jewish community in Tehran.
Speaking live via Zoom on Sunday — Shushan Purim — from the land of Queen Esther and the Megillah, Arash Abaie, a civil engineer and prominent Jewish educator, cantor, Torah reader and scholar, explained why he believes Jews living in the country have intensified their religious observance over the past four decades.
Abaie said the Islamic Republic, with its deep commitment to religious law, interacts best with citizens, including Christians and Jews, who are themselves observant. He said Muslims respect Jews who pray regularly, fast, abstain from certain foods and believe in the Messiah.
“They look for commonalities” with Islam, he said, “and this leads to peaceful existence.”
https://www.jta.org/2021/03/05/global/peaceful-existence-jews-in-iran-freely-observe-their-religion-communal-leader-says
But Iran’s Jews and other recognized minorities are barred by law from serving in the judiciary and security services. They also cannot hold authority over Muslims in the armed forces.
When Jews and other recognized minorities seek “blood money” as restitution for various crimes, Iranian law reduces the value of that blood money to half of what a Muslim is entitled to.
https://www.voanews.com/a/challenges-facing-iran-s-jewish-minority-attract-scrutiny-after-rabbi-s-us-visit/6326767.html
I am sure Iran's Jews approve of the Holocaust Cartoon contests in Iran
They are highly paranoid about Israel, especially Zionists.
Why, Israel and Iran used to get along fine Before 1979
Think about that.
Why don't you tell us
Good summary
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/6/iran-and-israel-from-allies-to-archenemies-how-did-they-get-here
Why don't you tell us yourself cause your site doesn't work
The site doesn’t work? Lol
too hard too say what the site says?
It’s long. In a nutshell the religious leadership supported the Palestinians.
Iran is out to destroy Israel ,
Also Jews in Iran are worse off than arab citizens of Israel
Iran's Jews: It's Our Home And We Plan To Stay
"We heard part of that story from Iran's one Jewish member of Parliament, Siamak Moreh Sedgh. His seat is one of five that the government reserves for Iran's religious minorities.
"Iran is the country of unbelievable paradoxes," says Moreh Sedgh, who smoked one cigarette after another from a red-and-white pack of Winstons. "You can find that there is the greatest Jewish community in the Middle East in Iran, in the country with the greatest political problem with Israel."
https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/02/19/387265766/irans-jews-its-our-home-and-we-plan-to-stay
What's your point? Isn't Israel supposed to be the good guys? The only "democracy" in the region? Isn't that why we support them? So, let's cut off ALL the apartheid practicing countries in the region. The one you mention, Iran, is currently under the "maximum pressure campaign". Maybe we should put Israel under similar sanctions.
Israel isn’t trying to destroy Iran
There are successful arabs and muslims in Israel but outside of Morrcco there are zero successful jews in all arab and muslim lands. Iran is under sanction because they do terror against the US every so often because they don’t like that the US allows Israel to buy US weapons and because the don’t like that the US supports Israel at the UN.
>>He oversaw foreign networks that he built after his terrorism campaign in Lebanon, including the 1983 bombings of the U.S. Embassy and Marine barracks. His cells allegedly carried out operations in France and Argentina, where two car bombings of Jewish targets left more than 100 dead. He also met in Sudan in the early 1990s with Osama bin Laden, whose militants got explosives training from Hezbollah experts.<<
https://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-mysteryman31-2008aug31-story.html
I commented on you saying other countries in the region practice Apartheid too. As if since there were others who practiced Apartheid, Israel shouldn't be signaled out. My point was about the US providing aid to the Apartheid state of Israel while sanctioning the Apartheid state of Iran. Simple as that.
We ought to spend the 3.8 billion the US gives Israel every year on nuclear energy , US energy dominance is harmful to Israel’s mid east enemies . Solved
I am against giving 3.8 billion dollars to Israel . The US should spend the money on nuclear power. US energy dominance is harmful to Israels mid east enemies.
I think that solves the problem.
There should be no foreign aid. Other than food and medicine.
The US gives South Korea Japan and Germany the same deal or better they give Israel. FYI.
as for the rest :
the US gets to sell weapons to whomever we want
And the US gets to vote at the UN as we see fit.
Our enemies around the world don’t get a say in any of that. We don’t have to listen to them.
And South Korea, Japan and Germany would be included. What part of "no foreign aid" didn't you understand?
was added for reference .
Israel was artificially created by the West to get a foothold into the Middle East. It was the European Zionists who flooded into that region after 1948 and started the genocide already and never stopped.
A lot of still surviving Jews from the Holocaust are actually siding with the Palestinians not with their Zionist killers.
Israel isn't trying to destroy Iran
Not alone anyway. But they have been urging the US to do it for them since the 90's.
There are successful arabs and muslims in Israel
And yet they aren't allowed self-determination in Israel and it's based on law.
Iran is under sanction because they do terror against the US every so often
The maximum pressure campaignwasn't based on any terror acts committed by Iran. More bullshit.
Actually arabs and muslim citizens in Israel can vote. They can even be judges . Non muslims can not be judges in Iran
Iran was under max pressure becuase of its history of terror
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He oversaw foreign networks that he built after his terrorism campaign in Lebanon, including the 1983 bombings of the U.S. Embassy and Marine barracks. His cells allegedly carried out operations in France and Argentina, where two car bombings of Jewish targets left more than 100 dead. He also met in Sudan in the early 1990s with Osama bin Laden, whose militants got explosives training from Hezbollah experts.
https://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-mysteryman31-2008aug31-story.html
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Actually arabs and muslim citizens in Israel can vote. They can even be judges . Non muslims can not be judges in Iran
And Arabs and Muslim citizens don't have the right to self determination. What you keep repeating doesn't change that. You act as if I'm defending Iran. I'm not. I have no use for either theocracy.
Iran was under max pressure becuase of its history of terror
The maximum pressure campaign came about AFTER Iran had agreed to a nuke deal that is the NPT on steroids. And ONLY Iran abided by it. You can go back 30 or 40 years if you like but there was no maximum pressure campaign back then.
Arab and muslim citizens of Israel can vote. they can be judges . There used to be 850 000 Jews in arab lands . They were persecuted and their property was confiscated. While there are successful arabs and muslims in Israel outside of Morcco there are ZERO successful jews in all arab and muslim lands.
It is not Israels fault that neither Hamas nor the Palestinian authority don’t have elections.
Israel used to have good relations with Iran before Khomeni
Iran is out to destory Israel
Israel wants to be safe from Iran
Israel wants greater Israel. Nothing else.
Hamas wants to destory Israel
Do you think Taiwan is small country?
Greater Israel would be smaller than Taiwan
There would be no occupation if Arafat hadn’t turned down peace.
And Israel wants to destroy Hamas.
Tawain is irrelevant as to what size Greater Israel would be. But I guess in your mind, Tawain's size must justify Israel stealing other's land to become Greater Israel
Arafat is long dead.
Abbas turned down peace in 2008 too.
I added the reference becuase you are awfully upset about land smaller Taiwan when there is lots of other stuff going on all around
Greater Israel is smalller than Taiwan. Yet Israel takes up 70% of the bandwith on this site.
I don't get your point about Abbas or Arafat. I guess you think that gives Israel the right to be barbarians.
Tawain is completely irrelevant. It doesn't matter what the size of their land mass is. Do you think Israel has a right to steal land because Greater Israel will be smaller than Tawain? That is utterly ridiculous if that is your contention.
Israel makes up 70% of the bandwidth here because they have been carrying out a massacre for damned near 17 months. And again, with Greater Israel being smaller than Tawain as if that's a justification for 17 months of slaughtering people, mostly innocent women and children.
Israel’s conduct in war is not worse than that of other Middle Eastern nations. While it is undeniable that Israel has been involved in complex and often contentious actions in the region, it should be said plainly: Israel does not owe Hamas or any of its enemies any restraint. As a sovereign nation, it has an absolute right to defend itself. This isn’t merely about defending land or ideology; it is about the right of a people to live free from the threat of annihilation. However, this does not mean Israel should take land unfairly. While the term “Jewish” originates from Judea, to say that Israel has no claim to the land is nonsensical. Historical connection to the land is as old as the people themselves. Before this conflict escalated, Israel already accounted for over 60% of discussions on various global platforms, a reflection of its prominence, and the deep interest in its every move.
The truth is simple: Hamas started this war. And they did so not out of any genuine struggle for statehood or survival, but for something far more dangerous—a violent attempt to secure more than what was ever offered in past negotiations, including those under Bill Clinton. They do not seek peace; they seek to crush Israel under the weight of terror.
Hamas has no legitimate claim to this war. They have made their intentions clear: they will continue to attack. The question isn’t whether Israel should hold back; the question is how long can Israel afford to kick the can down the road? Any restraint exercised now would not be a step toward peace, but merely a delay of the inevitable. Hamas fights not for a state, but for the destruction of one.
A large portion of civilian casualties arises because Hamas fights from civilian areas, deliberately placing innocent lives in harm’s way. This tactic is designed to maximize casualties, knowing full well that Israel is forced to respond. Hamas is using civilians as shields, a strategy as old as the very notion of warfare itself, and it complicates Israel’s defense, making it far harder to avoid collateral damage. But we must be clear: the responsibility for the suffering lies with Hamas, not Israel.
Israel’s position is unenviable, but its right to defend itself is unquestionable. This is not merely a war; it is a moral imperative for survival.
Israel’s conduct in war is not worse than that of other Middle Eastern nations. While it is undeniable that Israel has been involved in complex and often contentious actions in the region, it should be said plainly: Israel does not owe Hamas or any of its enemies any restraint. As a sovereign nation, it has an absolute right to defend itself. This isn’t merely about defending land or ideology; it is about the right of a people to live free from the threat of annihilation. However, this does not mean Israel should take land unfairly. While the term “Jewish” originates from Judea, to say that Israel has no claim to the land is nonsensical. Historical connection to the land is as old as the people themselves. Before this conflict escalated, discussions on antiwar.com already accounted for over 60% of the site’s activity—a reflection of the site’s obsession with Israel, for reasons we can only speculate on. (Or maybe we don’t )
The truth is simple: Hamas started this war. And they did so not out of any genuine struggle for statehood or survival, but for something far more dangerous—a violent attempt to secure more than what was ever offered in past negotiations, including those under Bill Clinton. They do not seek peace; they seek to crush Israel under the weight of terror.
Hamas has no legitimate claim to this war. They have made their intentions clear: they will continue to attack. The question isn’t whether Israel should hold back; the question is how long can Israel afford to kick the can down the road? Any restraint exercised now would not be a step toward peace, but merely a delay of the inevitable. Hamas fights not for a state, but for the destruction of one.
A large portion of civilian casualties arises because Hamas fights from civilian areas, deliberately placing innocent lives in harm’s way. This tactic is designed to maximize casualties, knowing full well that Israel is forced to respond. Hamas is using civilians as shields, a strategy as old as the very notion of warfare itself, and it complicates Israel’s defense, making it far harder to avoid collateral damage. But we must be clear: the responsibility for the suffering lies with Hamas, not Israel.
Israel’s position is unenviable, but its right to defend itself is unquestionable. This is not merely a war; it is a moral imperative for survival.
Who’s this “we” that can only “speculate?” Got a mouse in your pocket?
I don’t support the idea of greater Israel at all but greater Israel would be smaller than Taiwan
Nevertheless this topic
Gets a lot of bandwith for such a small area.
Which country is the more racist country ?
Which country are so many trying to SINGLE OUT?
I believe I read one of your posters saying that all the Jews in Israel ought to go back to Europe. They weren’t called out for it . But what made it really creepy is that half of the Jews in Israel are not from Europe rather refugees from muslim lands.
“I believe I read one of your posters saying that all the Jews in Israel ought to go back to Europe. They weren’t called out for it . But what made it really creepy is that half of the Jews in Israel are not from Europe rather refugees from muslim lands.”
Usually when someone posts something like that, they are in fact called out. And usually I’m the one doing so.
However, your own statistic is in error. 70% of Israeli Jews are native Palestinians, so there’s no way that half of them are refugees or immigrants from anywhere.
Check image
https://www.google.com/sear…
Please stop flooding the comments with copy/paste flooding of the same material over and over.
When did I post that image in the past?
Israel does not owe Hamas or any of its enemies any restraint.
I won't read any further than that since that is all I need. Once more, I DON"T BACK HAMAS. Can you get that through your thick head? Israel's total disregard for innocent human life if what I have been bitching about since the very beginning. So, stop with the bullshit that this is just Israel defending itself. It is a fucking slaughter beyond imagination.
Hamas says they will attack again. Israels doesn’t act worse than other countries in war. They might not be the most moral army in the world but there are the most moral army in the middile east. “Slaughter beyond imagination”? “Total disregard for human life”. How many died in Syria or the Iran Iraq war. What did Syria do to the Kurds. What does Turkey do to the Kurds.? More to the point what does Hamas seek to do to the Jews?
Hamas doesn’t have a right to their war and as far as I am concerned anything Israel does to make it so Hamas can’t attack them is okay.
Also I don’t care about anyone who supports Hamas
Israel says they will attack again. They really never stopped.
Israel acts like terrorists. Period.
The IDF bombs evacuation sites made of plastic tents. The IDF shoots children in the head. They IDF bulldozes dead (some live ones too) bodies into the ground. The IDF kicks dead bodies off rooftops. The IDF kills their own people (Hannible doctrine). The IDF shoots people carrying white flags. I could go on and on but what would be the point?
Did 90% (so far) of the people get displaced (many multiple times) in Syria or Iraq? Was 70% of all the buildings (so far) in those countries leveled? Do you have a clue what per capita means? And I find it funny that your whole defense is that others are just as inhumane as Israel when those others have been designated as terrorists.
And then you top it off by saying Israel can kill innocent human beings with impunity, but you put the blame on Hamas. It just never ends with your type.
Sorry
who rejected peace ?
Who Israel shoots
There are successful arabs and muslims in Israel
How about the in the muslim world? Why is that?
It was not the Hannibal directive
It was Hamas
If it were Israel you would see wide spread infrastructure damage
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/30/world/middleeast/israeli-military-hamas-failures.html
You don’t
Israel and Its Enemies: A Comparison of Wartime Conduct
Throughout modern history, Israel has been criticized for its military actions, yet a closer examination of the conduct of its adversaries reveals a stark contrast in the treatment of civilians and prisoners. While Israel faces scrutiny for its military operations, historical evidence demonstrates that its enemies have engaged in far more brutal and systematic campaigns of violence, ethnic cleansing, and mass executions. The following cases illustrate this discrepancy.
Iraq’s Campaign of Ethnic Cleansing (1968–2003)
Under the rule of the Arab Socialist Ba’ath Party, the Iraqi government pursued a relentless campaign of demographic engineering aimed at eradicating non-Arab populations from northern Iraq. In an effort to Arabize the region, Saddam Hussein’s regime engaged in ethnic cleansing against the Kurds, Turkmen, Yazidis, Assyrians, Shabaks, and Armenians. The methods employed included mass killings, forced displacements, and the destruction of villages. Between 1978 and 1979 alone, approximately 600 Kurdish villages were burned, and 200,000 Kurds were forcibly deported to other parts of Iraq.[1]
Beyond ethnic cleansing, Saddam Hussein’s government was responsible for large-scale executions. A survey conducted by Gallup found that approximately 61,000 Baghdad residents were executed by the regime, a figure much higher than previously believed. Estimates from various human rights organizations suggest that between 300,000 and 500,000 people were buried in mass graves, with some Iraqi political parties asserting that over one million were executed.[2]
Iran’s 1988 Mass Executions
The Iranian regime, under the leadership of Ayatollah Khomeini, carried out a massacre of political prisoners in 1988. Following a fatwa issued by Khomeini, an estimated 30,000 prisoners—many of them young teenagers—were systematically executed. Secret documents smuggled out of Iran detail the gruesome methods used, including the hanging of prisoners from cranes six at a time, with executions occurring at half-hour intervals. Testimonies from former prison officials reveal that mass hangings were conducted continuously from 7:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m., resulting in the deaths of thousands in just a few weeks.[3]
Many of the figures responsible for the massacre, including Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, remained in power, highlighting the institutionalized nature of such atrocities. Despite this, the Iranian regime continues to downplay the extent of the massacre while suppressing dissent and opposition.[4]
The Iran-Iraq War (1980–1988)
The Iran-Iraq War was one of the most devastating conflicts of the 20th century, resulting in an estimated 500,000 to 1 million deaths. Both sides engaged in indiscriminate attacks, including chemical warfare, targeting civilians, and mass executions of prisoners of war. Iran, under Khomeini, utilized child soldiers, sending tens of thousands of unarmed teenagers to clear minefields with their bodies. Meanwhile, Saddam Hussein’s forces executed thousands of captured Iranian soldiers and civilians in occupied territories. The brutality of this war remains a grim testament to the conduct of Israel’s regional adversaries.
Hamas: Terror and the Pursuit of Power
Hamas, the governing force in Gaza, continues to engage in indiscriminate attacks against Israeli civilians. Unlike historical resistance movements that fought for survival or statehood, Hamas is driven by a radical ideology that rejects any peace settlement offering less than Israel’s total destruction. The Clinton peace plan, which proposed a Palestinian state with control over Gaza and much of the West Bank, was rejected by Palestinian leaders who instead pursued violent confrontation.
Hamas’s military strategy relies on using civilians as human shields, launching rockets from densely populated areas, including schools and hospitals, in an effort to provoke Israeli retaliation and maximize civilian casualties. Former U.S. President Bill Clinton, speaking on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, acknowledged this strategy:
“Hamas is really smart. When they decide to rocket Israel, they insinuate themselves in the hospitals, in the schools, in the highly populous areas, and they are smart. They said they try to put the Israelis in a position of either not defending themselves or killing innocents. They’re good at it. They’re smart. They’ve been doing this a long time.”
Clinton also noted that he had brokered a deal that would have provided the Palestinians with all of Gaza, yet they rejected it in favor of continued violence. Hamas’s actions are not about fighting for survival or self-determination; rather, they aim to inflict terror and gain leverage beyond what was previously offered in peace talks. Furthermore, Hamas has openly declared its intent to continue attacks, with its leaders boasting that the October 7 assault on Israel was only the beginning of their campaign.
The Contrast with Israel
Unlike Iraq, Iran, and Hamas, Israel has never engaged in state-sponsored ethnic cleansing or mass executions of civilians. While military conflicts involving Israel have resulted in civilian casualties, the Israeli government adheres to international laws of war, and its military operations are often conducted with precision targeting to minimize collateral damage. In stark contrast, Iraq and Iran have a well-documented history of deliberate mass killings and systematic oppression.
Israel’s military operations are frequently scrutinized by international organizations, yet few of its critics acknowledge the far greater atrocities committed by its enemies. The cases of Iraq, Iran, and Hamas demonstrate a pattern of widespread brutality that dwarfs any allegations against Israel. The historical record makes clear that Israel’s conduct in wartime, while not beyond critique, stands in sharp contrast to the systematic massacres and ethnic cleansing campaigns of its adversaries.
References
Demographic engineering in Iraq
Mass graves in Iraq
1988 Iranian Massacre
Iranian political executions
Bill Clinton on Hamas and Gaza
Wow, copying and pasting shit that happened BEFORE Israel's slaughter against the Palestinians in Gaza as proof that Israel doesn't do what others do. Seriously? NONE of that applies to what Israel has done since Oct 7th 2023. It's almost laughable reading some of that.
Here's a real doozie:
While military conflicts involving Israel have resulted in civilian casualties, the Israeli government adheres to international laws of war, and its military operations are often conducted with precision targeting to minimize collateral damage.
Even you can't believe that bullshit. Or do you need pictures to see what 80,000 tons of PRECISION bombing does to an area the size of Gaza?
That changed when Begin and Carter got together for the policy of US conquering and then Israel controlling the oil in the middle east. Carter was a deluded Xtian Zionist.
It was cause Iran is out to destroy Israel . Iran even attacks Jews overseas
"list…Middile East Nations that are not Apartheid states….'Iran’s Jews and other recognized minorities are barred by law from serving in the judiciary.'"
1/ Knapp gave a conventional description of the main, defining features of apartheid in South Africa…
…apartheid features you do not claim exist in Iran; apartheid features you nowhere deny exist in Israel.
2/ What? 'But Israel's policies and practices don't make it an apartheid state'? The UN "shifted the definitions of…apartheid" to arrive at its ruling?
Advance thanks for supporting an otherwise worthless claim: show where.
"World Court Finds Israel Responsible for Apartheid"
https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/07/19/world-court-finds-israel-responsible-apartheid
Yet, those same minorities that lived in those land since Cyrus the great didn’t runaway when the Islamic Revolution took place. Nor are murdered in cold blood for walking the wrong side of the street. Nor are they told they have a special curfew or bulldoze their homes for being in the wrong neighborhood. Nor are they told who they can marry, eat or where they can take a dump. No one will argue a theocratic government is the best form of government. But let’s not kid ourselves in believing they live in an open air prison under the most horrendous conditions. .
There was no blockade of GAZA until Hamas took power.
They have a Mercedes-Benz dealership in GAZA
https://www.facebook.com/GazaBenzMotors21/
There was no blockade of GAZA until Hamas took power.
They have Mercedes-Benz in GAZA
https://www.facebook.com/GazaBenzMotors21/
In Israel they have arab muslim judges
In Iran non muslims can not be judges
In Iran blood money for non muslims is worth half of muslims
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https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/irans-regime-slated-to-execute-innocent-young-jew-on-monday-801589
Compare
https://www.timesofisrael.com/khaled-kabub-sworn-in-as-supreme-courts-first-muslim-justice/
How many dozens of times have you posted the same thing now? Got anything else?
And as we’ve already established, the Israeli regime considers the “blood money” value of Jews as far more than twice that of Arabs. Based on hostage exchanges, they value a Jewish hostage in Arab hands at hundreds of times as much as an Arab hostage in Jewish hands.
I got this
https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=0b9b39dd2bf8616f&sxsrf=AHTn8zpR_fKy9-BCWhPFxXXVsqwrn05Dsw:1740916352070&q=jews+in+danger+in+all+arab+lands&udm=2&fbs=ABzOT_CWdhQLP1FcmU5B0fn3xuWpA-dk4wpBWOGsoR7DG5zJBjLjqIC1CYKD9D-DQAQS3Z6fZ–OaZn3DMTxQWxLIg4hjps6acDf7ZqsXjRoQLAhE68-vuL_3U7WTnk6KNBo1dFQ8ja65E-V2zxEOAHWm8DVM0j0C_6jcSVMXs2MIpO6BoCeSbliIGX2VxiuMowS1BACpl6P&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjSuv7lquuLAxWf6QIHHWIYDBIQtKgLegQIDxAB&biw=1536&bih=735&dpr=1.25
Israel has no law that assigns different legal values to lives based on ethnicity or religion. The same cannot be said for Iran, where Jewish lives are legally worth half those of Muslims in blood money cases—an actual, codified system of discrimination. Yet, curiously, those who cry “apartheid” at Israel have little to say about this very real, institutionalized inequality.
The claim that Israel places a higher value on Jewish hostages is a fundamental misrepresentation. What Israel values is the return of its citizens—Jewish, Druze, or otherwise—from the hands of a genocidal terrorist group. This is not about racial superiority; it is about national responsibility. Every nation prioritizes its own. The United States did not hesitate to unleash devastation on North Korea during the Korean War to protect its troops. Does that mean the U.S. saw Korean lives as worthless? Or does it mean that, like every other sovereign nation in history, it put its own people first?
Meanwhile, let’s talk about hostage negotiations. Hamas, a terrorist organization, deliberately captures Israelis and demands obscene exchange rates because it knows Israel values life, while it, quite clearly, does not. The fact that Hamas has also taken non-Jewish Israelis hostage further proves that this is a war against Israel, not a war of racial hierarchy.
And yet, the hypocrisy runs even deeper. Many of those decrying Israel’s supposed “apartheid” remain conspicuously silent on the legal and systemic discrimination against Jews across the Muslim world. In Iran, Jews and other minorities are barred by law from serving in the judiciary and security services, let alone holding authority over Muslims in the armed forces. This is not speculation; this is the letter of Iranian law.
For those who demand historical perspective, let’s give it to them. In 1948, the *New York Times* reported that Jews were in danger across Muslim lands—a grim forecast that proved all too true. There used to be 850,000 Jews living in Arab and Muslim lands. They were persecuted, driven out, and their property was confiscated. Today, nearly all are gone. Contrast this with Israel, where Arabs and Muslims serve in the judiciary, the military, and even the Israeli parliament. There are successful Arab businesspeople, politicians, and judges in Israel. And yet, outside of Morocco, where are the successful Jews in the Arab and Muslim world? They barely exist—because they were expelled, stripped of their rights, or forced to flee.
The question is not whether Israel values its citizens more than its enemies. Of course, it does—just as every rational nation does. The question is why, in a world filled with actual apartheid and state-sponsored bigotry, Israel alone is expected to apologize for defending its people.
The apartheid in Israel isn’t “supposed.” It’s a direct copy of the South African original.
The question is not whether Israel’s political system is an apartheid system. The question is whether every bad practice of other regimes also constitutes apartheid. If that is the case, presumably you have facts to support your argument instead of just spamming lists of non-apartheid bad things.
The claim that Israel is a "direct copy" of South Africa collapses under even the most basic scrutiny. In apartheid South Africa, black citizens were denied the right to vote. They were barred from serving in government. They were excluded from the judiciary. By contrast, in Israel, an Arab judge sentenced a former president to prison. How can a system that permits such judicial authority for a minority group possibly be compared to apartheid?
Even Amnesty International—an organization with its own deep biases—does not go so far as to claim that Israel is akin to South Africa. See # 7 in their report So where does this notion originate? The Ron Paul Revolution?
Moreover, there is another key distinction that critics conveniently ignore. In South Africa, black citizens never engaged in mass persecution of whites, nor did they systematically confiscate their property. In Israel, however, roughly half the Jewish population consists of refugees from Muslim-majority countries—places where they were persecuted, driven from their homes, and stripped of their assets.
To pretend these realities do not exist is not merely an error. It is a deliberate misrepresentation of history.
“In apartheid South Africa, black citizens were denied the right to vote.”
True. And the way in which most of them were denied the right to vote was by calling the areas in which they lived “homelands” separate from South Africa, so that they weren’t “citizens,” even though those “homelands” were actually ruled from Pretoria.
Which is exactly what Israel does with the people in the territory it occupies outside its own borders (the West Bank, Jerusalem, and, on and off, Gaza).
The West Bank and Gaza are military rule and frozen conflicts.
Arafat turned down Clintons peace plan which would have ended the occupation of those areas.
He says so here
Also it is the opinion of the Palestinian side that Israel must withdraw to 1967 borders “unconditionally” without any assurances whatsoever that they won’t resume war at time of their choosing.
UN 242 not that I like the UN calls for land for peace not land for nothing. not withdrawal for nothing.
What you are describing is a military occupation and a frozen conflict. Until now, the Palestinian side has demanded that Israel withdraw to the 1967 borders unconditionally, without providing any guarantees that they will not resume hostilities at their discretion. Let us know the day the Palestinian side declares that Israel’s withdrawal to the 1967 borders will be enough to end the conflict. They have not, and they have refused to do so. If they want the war to continue, then the military occupation is their fault, not Israel’s.
There are no 1967 borders. The borders were set in 1947 in UNR 181 and have not since changed. While it’s POSSIBLE that the “Palestinian side” might be interested in re-negotiating the borders to the 1967 ceasefire lines, it’s not obvious.
UN 242
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_242
What about it?
It calls for land for peace. not withdrawal for nothing
Not only that the PLO was started up in 1964 at that time GAZA was controlled by Egypt and the West Bank by Jordan.
It is interesting that the Palestinian side has never not once said just withdraw back to 1967 and there will be no more military action. As I said they after all these years call for” unconditional” withdrawal with out saying that it will end the war.
That is why it is a military occupation and a frozen conflict.
You were in the army If you had this guy in a hold and you said if I let you go will you stop attacking me me, and they refused to give you such an assurance then I am pretty sure you would keep them pinned until they gave you such assurance.
Yes, it calls for land for peace. It does not, however, change any borders.
“You were in the army”
No need for insults.
That was not meant as any sort of insult. being in the army give you more credibility than others on the site. You put your money where you mouth is. JD Vance would not be VP without his military experience. Being in the army is like having played in the NFL .
I was never in the army.
Like Mr. Vance, I was in the Marine Corps.
Unlike Mr. Vance, I was an infantryman, not a press release writer.
What were your political views before you joined the Marine corps?
I joined the Marine Corps when I was 17, so it’s not like my political views were very solidly formed. But think “goddamn hippie.”
How many dozens of times have you posted the same thing now? Got anything else?
And as we’ve already established, the Israeli regime considers the “blood money” value of Jews as far more than twice that of Arabs. Based on hostage exchanges, they value a Jewish hostage in Arab hands at hundreds of times as much as an Arab hostage in Jewish hands.
How many dozens of times have you posted the same thing now? Got anything else?
And as we’ve already established, the Israeli regime considers the “blood money” value of Jews as far more than twice that of Arabs. Based on hostage exchanges, they value a Jewish hostage in Arab hands at hundreds of times as much as an Arab hostage in Jewish hands.
But Iran’s Jews and other recognized minorities are barred by law from serving in the judiciary and security services. They also cannot hold authority over Muslims in the armed forces.
When Jews and other recognized minorities seek “blood money” as restitution for various crimes, Iranian law reduces the value of that blood money to half of what a Muslim is entitled to.
https://www.voanews.com/a/challenges-facing-iran-s-jewish-minority-attract-scrutiny-after-rabbi-s-us-visit/6326767.html
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/irans-regime-slated-to-execute-innocent-young-jew-on-monday-801589
How many Israeli Arabs are allowed to be Supreme Court judges? Or head of Israeli security? Or take a role as Prime Minster? President perhaps? Oh that’s right none. Deflecting is very easy when you practice the same thing you accuse your enemy of doing the same thing. But Iran can always remind an 80 year old artificially created state that their minorities have been living in their lands since Cyrus the Great and brag about outside of Israel they house the second largest community of Jews living in their land. Now be kind and buy a Benz from Gaza to support their ruined economy. Bot.
The only reason you need “buffer zones” is when you realize your actions have fully earned the hatred of those you have mistreated and displaced.
There used to be 850 000 Jews in arab and muslim lands they were persected and their property was confiscated. In view of that Israel's mid east enemies are kind of free to shut up forever
There used to be 850 000 Jews in arab and muslim lands
They were persecuted and their property was confsicated.
– Carlos Sainz
The abuse of the powerful over the weak. With US support the "worse than apartheid" state of Israel signs agreements only because it knows it has no intention of honoring its commitments.
Agreement called for Israeli withdrawal from Phildelphi Corridor. Netanyahu says we have decided we're not withdrawing from the Corridor.
Israel is a strategic and deadly liability to the US.
All this talk about America's enemies.
"Before the creation of Israel, the US had no enemies in the Middle East"
"Under Agreement" means nothing if no one holds to that agreement or enforces it. Bibi knows that and with the help of the USA (especially our ambassador Huckabee) will continue to march on to establish "Greater Israel".
It appears that nothing stands in the way and Evangelicals are saying it is going according to the bible and Israel will triumph.
I don't know its kind of weird that "Christians" support a secular state that allows, usury, porn, etc. Its pretty convenient to be an Evangelical Christian. As long as you have Jesus, anything goes.
There's still Judgment Day coming for those who trash Jesus and his teachings.
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2 Timothy 3:13 – “But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.”
2 Peter 2:1 – “But there were false prophets also among the people, even
as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in
damnable heresies. . .
Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” (Matthew 19:22)
For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. And some people, craving money, have wandered from the true faith and pierced themselves with many sorrows. (1 Timothy 6:10)
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I believe that, but you left out the others. It's not just Trump, it's that whole damned uniparty in Wash. who mongers war for financial gain.
Apologies. I should clarify. I was referring to "Christian Zionists" who abuse the teachings of Jesus (PBUH).
We believe Jesus is the Messiah, one of the greatest of the prophets, near to God, sinless, born of the Virgin Mary, performed miracles and will return.
we don't believe that he is God, the son of God or divine in anyway.
And, the NT verses I posted refer to them.
And, you know who is trying to get Islam and Christianity to fight against each other. Spread that word at your Mosque. Christians and Muslims have more in common than with the other religion and should stick together for mutual benefit in these troubled times. Peace!
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"You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers [to be] the Jews and those who associate others with God; and you will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers those who say, 'We are Christians.'"
Q: 5::82
Israels mid eats enemies practice apathied against mid east Jews
The US doesn’t need to make concessisions to Jihadis
As long as the US allows Israel to buy US weapons
and as long as the US votes to support Israel at the UN
Israel will be okay
The US gets to sell weapons to whoever we like
Also we get to vote at the UN as we see fit.
The US has its own oil ( Canada to the North )
If Israels mid east enemies don’t like it they can go jump in a lake and pull a wave over there head
They don’t get a vote and the US does not have to listen to them.
No concessions to them
EVER
NO concessions
No giving in
Seems more like the second phase…!
JD Vance and Trump are very despicable characters. While their fat asses sit in comfort, they judge Zelensky, who is an actual leader. All while they endorse the state of Israel's genocidal behavior and support it with billions of dollars in aid.
“Our border”? So much for the value of Israel-Egypt diplomatic relations. Sure, I understand that Egypt and other status quo Arab countries were caught off guard by Israel’s new level of agression, Cogs of states do not move fast enough— and the absence of reaction is understandable. No country wants to shake status quo — especially when an incident causes the disruption. There s always a hope of refurning to statis quo. Especially as all other options ard bad. Which country wants to start a hostility with all the implications to the economy., risk of destruction and loss of life?
However, there is a maturing understanding that Isral’s objectives are broader snd strategic. First under the umbrella of terrorism, then broader “support” for terrorism, and broader territorial, infrastructure and political objectives.
What it means remains to be seen. But the first move has already happened. Assad leaving the country and his order for military and government bureacrekacy to stand down. Turkey has taken charge, notwithstandig the 15,000 HTS — by now probably less. The number was conveniently inflated the day HTS moved into Syris, from 15,000 to 30,000. Turkey commands the largest Syrian cintingent — Syrian National Army (SNA) of over 100,000. This contingent was built ever since first Astana agreement. Its first objective was to prevent weak ISIS contingents exploiting Assad’d forces weakness on Syria-Turkey border from becoming a placeholder for American sponsored Kurdish “liberation” from USIS, just for Kurds to occupy Syrian border regions with Turkey. No Kurds actually live there. Objective was to link Kobane Kurds with Afrin Kurds., This project did not suceed as Turkey intevened at Jarabulus border town to expel ISIS and prevent Kurds from oculpying Arabs who live there. Kurds and US were aiming at erasing the border and joining up with Kurds on the Turkish side of border.
At present -/ US is pushing HTS to accept SDF Kurds into official Syrian forces. Turkey will not allow it. Calls in US to drop Kurdish militants and allow regionsl forces — Turkey, Iraq and Nordan to take over the security of the area from presumed ISIS threats. The status of Syrian regular army is not clear. HTS is too weak to impose its authority. It will more likely join Turkey backed SNA.
Much remains to be seen , as Israel advances into Syria. Strategic threat to the region requires sytategic response. Other than Turkey’s intervention into Syria as a potential push back to Israeli advance — there is only an Egiptian plan talked off, so far unclear. B
… and why am I not surprised…!
”It’s the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!”…
A deal is a deal, is it not?!…
“Refusniks?!”…. …. ….!
Is anyone surprised? Greater Israel policy at work.