President Trump said on Wednesday that Ukraine could “forget about” joining NATO and that the country’s potential membership in the alliance was likely the reason why the war started.
When asked what concessions he would like to see for a peace deal, he said, “NATO, you can forget about it. I think that’s probably the reason the whole thing started.”
Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth has already ruled out the idea of Ukrainian NATO membership as part of any potential peace deal. The Trump administration’s position is a significant shift from the Biden administration, which constantly promised Ukraine would eventually join NATO and called Russia’s invasion “unprovoked.”
Trump’s Middle East envoy, Steve Witkoff, who has been involved in negotiations with Russia, recently acknowledged that the invasion was “provoked” and said that “doesn’t necessarily mean it was provoked by the Russians.”
In the months leading up to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the US and Russia engaged in negotiations, but the Biden administration refused to address Moscow’s concerns over the possibility of Ukrainian NATO membership.
Shortly after the invasion, Zelensky said he was told privately by the US that Ukraine wouldn’t be joining NATO. “I requested them personally to say directly that we are going to accept you into NATO in a year or two or five, just say it directly and clearly, or just say no,” Zelensky said in March 2022. “And the response was very clear, you’re not going to be a NATO member, but publicly, the doors will remain open.”
Trump has said it a few times, but it needs repeating. The policy is clear.
Our USA made agreements on that. Crook Biden and his staff of globalist trouble makers had no interest in honoring agreements, but Trump does. That is a huge difference, honor versus dishonor. And of course, some European leaders have acknowledged that they did not intend to meet the agreement.
Crook Biden and his staff of globalist trouble makers had no interest in honoring agreements, but Trump does.
Are you fucking SERIOUS? Would you like a list?
I don't know that you have time in your WEEK to detail all the agreements and treaties that Trump openly and proudly breached and tore up.
If The Prisoner thinks Trump is honorable, Prizz is a f**king lost-cause like the rest of the GISS Army idjits and ASI Apologists smearing s**t all over rational discourse here.
And of course, no memory (or knowledge?) of Mr. Trump STILL bragging about sending those Javelins to Ukraine, after Obama only sent them "blankets". 🙂
Does President Trump realize the fact that the war between Russia and Ukraine started in February 2014 with Russia's conquest of Crimea?
https://www.zaoerv.de/75_2015/75_2015_1_a_167_194.pdf Crimea’s Annexation by Russia – Contradictions of the New Russian Doctrine of International Law
https://crimea-platform.org/en/occupation-chronology/
https://cpd.gov.ua/en/articles-en/the-history-of-the-creeping-annexation-of-crimea-february-2014-2023/
https://www.chathamhouse.org/2021/05/myths-and-misconceptions-debate-russia/myth-12-crimea-was-always-russian
Thanks! You are correct Binber, and this an article for support.
May 15, 2017 Ukraine: US-Installed Fascist Rule in Europe’s Heartland
Will Donetsk Rejoin Russia? The nation shares a near-1,500 mile land and sea border with Russia. Stop NATO’s Rick Rozoff earlier explained Ukraine is “the decisive linchpin in plans by the US and its NATO allies to effect a military cordon sanitaire, severing Russia from Europe” – a sinister plot perhaps intended as prelude to nuclear war.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-us-installed-fascist-rule-in-europes-heartland-will-donetsk-rejoin-russia/5590150
https://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/nato-Ukraine.jpg
In many countries in Europe, fascist, far-right, national-conservative, populist parties are achieving great electoral success, which does not mean that fascism already prevails in these countries (e.g., Ukraine, Hungary, Austria, Italy, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, etc.).
In Ukraine's Donbas, the immigrant Russian population makes up the majority and practises separatism, which German public (criminal) law calls high treason (§ 81 StGB).
https://www.dw.com/en/where-do-europes-far-right-parties-differ/video-71506085
https://www.ibanet.org/The-year-of-elections-The-rise-of-Europes-far-right
https://unherd.com/newsroom/the-new-populist-map-of-europe/
https://www.politico.eu/article/mapped-europe-far-right-government-power-politics-eu-italy-finalnd-hungary-parties-elections-polling/
https://www.statista.com/chart/6852/seats-held-by-far-right-parties-in-europe/
https://carnegieendowment.org/features/radical-right-europe-foreign-policy?lang=en
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36130006 Europe and right-wing nationalism: A country-by-country guide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_nationalist_parties_in_Europe
https://ecfr.eu/publication/getting-the-european-parliament-election-right/
https://www.populismstudies.org/countries/?country=all
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stgb/englisch_stgb.html#p0885 German Criminal Code, Section 81, High treason
That's ukrainian nationalist propaganda.
The Luhansk and Donetsk People's Republics in 2014 exercised their right to self-determination under Article 1 of the UN Charter. The right to self-determination is not the same as the right to secession. The right to secession is opposed to the right to territorial integrity of the state.
It can be argued that the Ukrainian state has since 2014 forfeited its right to the integrity of its former territory. The state has wilfully and knowingly failed to comply with Minsk 2. The state has ignored the interests and wishes of a section of the population, has oppressed that section of the population, has supervised and participated in terror against that section of the population and has bombed civilian regions. Ukrainian Nazi militias carried out violent operations. The state has allowed it to escalate into war. Therefore, self-determination may take the form of secession.
p. s. What german law says about seperatism is irrelevant.
You repeatedly argue wrongly, narrow-mindedly, without insight; please compare the following legal internet sources:
https://www.e-ir.info/2020/05/18/is-there-a-right-to-secession-in-international-law/
https://opil.ouplaw.com/display/10.1093/law:epil/9780199231690/law-9780199231690-e1100 Secession
https://www.idea.int/sites/default/files/publications/constitution-brief-secession.pdf
https://www.corteidh.or.cr/tablas/r32589.pdf SECESSION, International Law Perspectives, Edited by MARCELO G. KOHEN, Cambridge University Press, 2006, Pages 548
https://www.nationalia.info/new/10936/ten-countries-that-grant-the-right-to-independence-to-some-of-their-territories-and-france
http://www7.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/journals/MqLJ/2003/5.html SECESSION, MAJORITY RULE AND EQUAL RIGHTS: A FEW QUESTIONS – [2003] MqLJ 5; (2003) 3 Macquarie Law Journal 73
https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation?paperid=114130 The Essence of Remedial Secession: From the Perspectives of Human Right and Preservation of Natural Resources
https://blogs.elpais.com/files/2.secession_day.pdf The Remedial Right of Secession in International Law
https://www.ahrlj.up.ac.za/titanji-e-d The right of indigenous peoples to self-determination versus secession: One coin, two faces?
https://hcj.gov.ua/sites/default/files/field/file/the_constitution_of_ukraine.pdf Article 73
https://zakon.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/2341-14?lang=en#Text The Criminal Code of Ukraine, Article 111. High treason
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/secession/
84. For the reasons already given, the Court considers that general international law contains no applicable prohibition of declarations of independence. Accordingly, it concludes that the declaration of independence of 17 February 2008 did not violate general international law.
121. (…) Accordingly, the Court finds that the declaration of independence did not violate the Constitutional Framework.
122. The Court has concluded above that the adoption of the declaration of independence of 17 February 2008 did not violate general international law, Security Council resolution 1244 (1999) or the Constitutional Framework. Consequently the adoption of that declaration did not violate any applicable rule of international law.
ICJ 2010 Kosovo
Incorrect. The Russian action in Crimea, the activation of troops stationed there permitted by treaty, was a defensive move in direct response to the neo-Nazi-led coup in Kiev and resultant hate crimes and murder sprees committed by the Banderites (trade unionists burned to death; snipers; riots, pogroms against non-loyalists).
Crimea experienced nearly none of this violence because the Russian Federation enacted a preemptive Responsibility 2 Protect doctrine on seeing the violence spreading south from Kiev.
antiwar.com documented ALL of this in real-time and in the years that followed.
Tension and violence in Ukraine and between Ukraine and Russia rose with the violent coup of jan-feb 2014. At that time I wouldn't call it a war yet. (And formally, legally it still isn´t).
The people of Crimea exercised their right to self-determination of article 1 par. 2 UN Charter.
p. s. You include Chatham House as a source. That really is one of the stupidest propaganda tanks. Diversify your sources is my motto. That's why I make myself read the utter bullshit of Chatham House.
You are arguing with false legal knowledge like a far right nationalist separatist against international public law (sovereignty, borders, etc.), because your stated legal source of the UN Charter guarantees autonomy, federalism, and not separatism.
https://www.un.org/en/about-us/un-charter
In the US military we would often say that the only success of NATO in its history is that it kept Germany and France from going to war with each other again.
Just like charitable organizations which only exist to keep their management in business: NATO is in the business of keeping it's leadership, management, officer corps, and administrative workers in jobs.
France and Germany wouldn't go to war with each other anyway. Germany was under the occupation all those years. It was Gorbachev who moved Soviet troops from Germany. American troops are still there.
In the last 500 years, the most significant wars between France and Germany were primarily centered around the "Franco-Prussian War" of 1870-1871, which led to the unification of Germany and significantly fueled the tension between the two nations, culminating in major conflicts during both World War I and World War II; this period of animosity is often referred to as "Franco-German enmity" in historical discourse.
Key points about French-German conflicts in the last 500 years:
Franco-Prussian War (1870-1871):
This war marked a pivotal point in European history, where Prussia, leading a unified German force, decisively defeated France, leading to the creation of the German Empire and further intensifying tensions between the two nations.
World War I (1914-1918):
Both France and Germany were major combatants in World War I, with significant battles fought on the Western Front, further exacerbating the existing animosity.
World War II (1939-1945):
Nazi Germany occupied large parts of France during World War II, leading to further trauma and resentment between the two countries.
As long as American troops are stationed in Germany, it is impossible even hypothetically.
By the way, France had also wars with England. The last one was more than two hundred years ago.
The American troops in Germany are NATO troops.
American troops occupied Germany after the end of WW II.
NATO was created four years later.
And?
Honestly, I think it was the devastation of WW2, then later (and most prominently) the formation of the European Union, which buried animosity between France and Germany.
Of course, establishing the USSR as a Common Feared Enemy helped, too.
If we want to unify the Russian Federation, DPRC, USA, NATO bloc, other traditional enemies, we just have to generate a compelling threat from extraterrestrials. Project Blue Beam is intended to do just that…
Washington and London are more eager to keep Germany and Russia from establishing warmer relations
Critical thinking, like this here, is fresh air in a very dusty dirty room of soot and feces..
I believe Trump. He wants a 10,000-soldier US military presence in Ukraine in perpetuity. He'll consider dissolving America's NATO membership.
Stranger things have happened, though it's doubtful this plan will succeed.
Good times eh kiddies?
…”And the Trumpets red glare! The bombs bursting in air!….”
TRUMP: THE TERMINATOR!…
”Tin soldiers and Nixon’s coming! We’re finally on our own! This summer, I hear the drumming! Forget it Ohio! Forget it Ohio!”
"Four dead in Ohio"
Feb 25, 2025 Putin: Zelensky is "Toxic"; Trump is "Rational"; Europe is "Shackled" – Interview February 2025
https://youtu.be/GsluVFhT8y4?si=dhDiEAiD6Pskxlkz
You provide interesting internet sources on interviews of President Putin that show insight into his political thinking. In this video, President Putin expresses his ideas on a change of government, elections in Ukraine, US President Trump, bilateral talks between the USA, Russia, sanctions, Russian exports of the aluminum to the USA, and on international consortia, investments for the cooperative development of Russian raw material resources, etc.
Trump and Vance meet with Zelenskyy, exchange turns tense
https://kyivindependent.com/exclusive-the-full-text-of-the-final-us-ukraine-mineral-agreement/
I appreciate your time and comments, I am a freethinker and a former website administrator in the 1990’s. I have been reading the globe starting just a little before 9/11. I just keep it real Binber.
“NATO, you can forget about it. I think that’s probably the reason the whole thing started.”
Oh, not 'probably'.
A broken clock can give the correct time twice a day.
Trump is right about the Ukrainian-Russian war. It was a NATO provocation from day one.
The GOP uses to oppose Russia/USSR and now GOP supports them. But then again the GOP uses to support the police but now they pardon felons of attacking policemen. Times have change.