Update on January 16, 2025, at 8:01 am EST: Netanyahu delayed the cabinet vote on the ceasefire deal on Thursday, claiming Hamas reneged “on parts of the agreement reached with the mediators.” However, Hamas reiterated its commitment to the deal that was announced Wednesday.
After over 15 months of Israel’s US-backed genocidal war on Gaza, Israel and Hamas have reached a hostage and ceasefire deal, an agreement first announced by President-elect Donald Trump.
Hamas confirmed on Wednesday that it approved the deal and Israeli officials have told the media an agreement was reached, though it still needs to be formally approved by the Israeli government, which is expected to happen on Thursday.
Later on Wednesday, hours after the US and Qatar announced the deal was reached, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu claimed an agreement still hadn’t been reached and said the “details will be finalized tonight.”
According to a source speaking to NBC News, once Israel’s government approved the deal, Israel’s Supreme Court would then have 24 hours to appeal the decision. Qatari Prime Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani said that the ceasefire will take effect on Sunday, January 19.
According to media reports, the deal involves three phases meant to lead to a permanent end to the conflict and the reconstruction of Gaza. However, details of the second and third phases still need to be negotiated, and Israel could potentially restart military operations after the first phase.
The first phase involves a 42-day ceasefire during which Hamas will release 33 Israeli hostages. In exchange, Israel is expected to release hundreds or possibly thousands of Palestinian prisoners, and Israeli troops will withdraw within one kilometer of the Gaza border, an area where the IDF has destroyed every building to create a so-called “buffer zone.” Aid will also be surged into Gaza with 600 trucks expected to enter the Strip per day.
“WE HAVE A DEAL FOR THE HOSTAGES IN THE MIDDLE EAST. THEY WILL BE RELEASED SHORTLY. THANK YOU!” Trump wrote on Truth Social, a post that came before any official statement from President Biden or his administration.
In another post, Trump wrote, “This EPIC ceasefire agreement could have only happened as a result of our Historic Victory in November, as it signaled to the entire World that my Administration would seek Peace and negotiate deals to ensure the safety of all Americans, and our Allies.”
The president-elect continued, “With this deal in place, my National Security team, through the efforts of Special Envoy to the Middle East, Steve Witkoff, will continue to work closely with Israel and our Allies to make sure Gaza NEVER again becomes a terrorist safe haven.”
According to Israeli media, the pressure Witkoff put on Netanyahu is what led to the deal. The Biden administration had refused to put any real pressure on Netanyahu, allowing him to sabotage previous efforts.
Palestinians in Gaza are celebrating the news of a ceasefire. “The happiness is literally eternal. Gaza’s streets are erupting. The tears of everyone, the joy,” Abubaker Abed, a journalist in Gaza, wrote on X. “I lost the words.”
Ahead of the news, Israel ramped up airstrikes on Gaza. According to the Health Ministry’s daily update, Israeli strikes killed 62 Palestinians and wounded 253 in the previous 24-hour period. According to Abed, two journalists were among those killed by Israel on Wednesday.
I hope this is not a fake out.
Lord Bebow @MyLordBebo
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© !! Al-Qassam Brigades tour areas in the Gaza Strip, to participate in the celebrations of the people!
The official announcement of the cessation of the war should come any minute from Qatar!
https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1879598109048885746
This is excellent news, and hopefully both sides will adhere to the agreement. I only hope there is time enough to save what is left of the Palestinians from hunger and disease.
Also I would remind The Donald that "his Administration" doesn't start 'til next week, so, don't pretend this happened on your watch.
Trump will take credit for this deal.
Yes, and the presumption has to be "dirty deal"….
That does not make a difference, circumstances and political necessity met. Netanyahu still likes to break the deal, but after the inauguration, we will see what happens.
But we hope for the best for the victims, to hell with opportunistic politicians.
Nety was on the way out until Oct 2023.
Exactly. That's why he allowed the Hamas attack.
Too late…! He already claimed it…!
Nothing unusual there. Every president takes credit for the accomplishments of his predecessor, and later shifts blame for all of his failures to that predecessor as well.
But how often has it happened in real-time, and when the predecessor is STILL PRESIDENT ?
Reagan did it to win his election against Carter.
One would think, if the ceasefire deal only happened as a result of the US election, this ceasefire agreement would have happened that November.
Not "suspiciously right before Inauguration" when there's less time Netanyahu's gov't need wait to be repaid for giving Trump the appearance of a "win".
The opportunistic Criminal Minister…!
Trumps need to celebrate his inauguration is the motivating factor, recall how upset he was when it did not turn out as expected. Netanyahu knows that and what he should not do.
Oh, imagine if Taylor Swift declared a $5-per-ticket concert at the largest venue closest to where the Inauguration is being held ? Took ALL the wind outta The Donald’s coronation.
He sent a representative to negotiate. This wasn’t Biden. And I’m not a Trump supporter.
https://www.axios.com/2025/01/11/trumps-israel-gaza-deal-jan-20-witkoff
I feel like this will go sideways for Palestinians once there is no leverage of hostages, there will be no holding back Israel’s murderous spree.
I hope I am horribly wrong.
Even with no hostages as leverage Israel cannot totally get rid of Hamas…!
I know. My point was that there won’t be a segment of Israeli society asking to hold back, in order to not kill hostages.
They don’t care about Palestinian deaths (most of Israel’s population).
All it would take is a false flag or an accusation (which Israel lies about constantly) and “the hell to be paid” will be an obliteration with 2k lb bombs.
Like I said, I wish to be wrong.
… And when was the last time Israel government listened to its segment of society…?!
When was just before an upcoming Israeli election ?
He wouldn’t have to pretend, let’s put it that way.
Are the 33 hostages in question, all that remain of the original lot from the start of all this ? I’d figured that number was a good-faith portion of the whole for the sake of a ceasefire, leading to an eventual permanent agreement.
Well, if we believe Major T. Timothy Burns (and nobody should), then the INSTANT all hostages are released, the ASI will cease all hostilities against the Palestinians forever.
*Right*.
Nor will Israel's enemies.After all,who started this most recent war costing tens of thousands of lives-not Israel.
What cost those tens of thousands of innocent lives is the sole responsibility of Israel. They made the decision to completely disregard the safety of women and children and used rules of engagement that are terroristic in nature.
It is not even a war, almost 70% of the victims are unarmed women and children.
It is the brutal, sadistic massacre of a nation.
Hamas used its own people as shields. Urban warfare is dirty. Hamas used its people as cannon fodder to win a propaganda victory.
The only documented cases of human shields are by the Israeli army. This one courtesy of Aljazeera in the West Bank before they banned the media outlet.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6ba5918fc0b130777f5b6fdfe2d96f8243b4a840276c8247d49506ee26b390f2.png
And this by Euro med
https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6390/The-Israeli-army%E2%80%99s-use-of-Palestinian-civilians-as-human-shields-has-been-documented-on-a-large-scale
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2be79c84dc2f51b205c7110779efa31680e838b968cff0f6f512189ac41ace83.png
Your propagandistic photos (ambulance, prisoners) also lead to a different interpretation.
documented reports by HRW, Amnesty, UN and betsalem
Terrorists based in hospitals,missiles in schools.
Hi Jake you seem kind of new to this forum. We're a fun bunch of respectable folk learning and exchanging ideas. You can have your own opinion but your not entitled to your own facts.
What your saying is patently false. Israel was caught lying about its "evidence" and no one believes them now. And even if it were true it can't justify killing all those civilians, evacuating hospitals, etc.
Even if true, the only thing worse than Hamas using human shields is Israel's willingness to kill them in the most horrific way possible. For some reason you just keep trying to justify Israel's genocidal response and there simply isn't any.
There have been many massacres by Israeli forces of Palestinians going all the way back a century to the Irgun/Zionist Israeli terrorists with hundreds of thousand victims. Inform yourself, it is history and well documented.
Israel has created more enemies in just one year than all the years before combined. Anti-Semitism has increased around the globe, based on what Israeli/ZIONISTS do to Palestinians.
Some 70 % of the victims are unarmed women and children. This is NOT a war, it is a sadistic MASSACRE of a nation, call it genocide, sounds nicer, the victims are mostly women and children.
Prove me wrong if you can.
This has been going on for almost a century, not just since October 2023.
Oct 2023 only served to make things worse, and was a massacre ordered to prevent Israeli -Arab raproachment.
Yeah, you mean by Netanyahu and his failed intelligence apparatus.
History didn't start on October 7th.
No, there are many other hostages left used as a bargaining chip to prevent Israel from resume hostilities after the first phase.
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Okay. Hopefully they can be released with successful Phase 2 and 3 implementation.
hopefully
Many Palestinians would still be held and tortured by the Israelis. Israeli hostages were killed by Israeli bombs and lack of food and medical care no worse than the Palestinian people, women and children included.
True
Therefore,don't start a war and then cry foul.
Don't do a genocidal response and you won't have to worry about anyone crying "foul".
Even if Hamas had more hostages than we know of, they could not guaranty their safety without food and shelter and medical care against Israeli bombs and Israeli inhumanity, they can't even protect their own children.
It will take a long time, if ever to find out the truth.
The deal has not been finalized yet, it clears the way to celebrate the inauguration, but the prisoner exchange is not scheduled to happen before that. And Netanyahu and Trump can't be trusted, the big caveat. We can only hope to be wrong and at least the exchange of hostages will happen.
Hopefully this is not a Reverse Reagan – where Trump (Reagan) takes office from Biden (Carter) but THIS time the prisoners of Hamas (Iran) AREN'T freed.
Hamas will unfortunately not release all its hostages .Very shortly, it will resume firing missiles into Israel .As soon as it is reconstituted, it will resume hostilities.
You mean rockets. The misseles are courtesy of the Houthis.
The world marvels at rockets fired from Gaza not realizing,
A fifth-generation refugee longs for what was once her home.
Akin to the Heroes of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising,
They remind us freedom is more powerful than any “Iron Dome.”
The heros of the Warsaw Ghetto never attacked Germany;Germany came to them from hundreds of miles away.
Agreed. But facts don't matter.
Israel cannot even abide to One day of cesefire… let alone 42…! We all know what happened to the Lebanon Ceasefire…!
There is blames to be placed on both sides,but ceasefires are better that incessant warfare.
You can equate the "blames" all you want but you can't do that with the brutality. Israel stands ALONE.
If you are indeed antiwar ,look who started this latest war,sacrificing their own people.
Read my article. It will give you some insights. And BTW, the Palestinians started nothing. They were busy farming their land, tending to their shops and working in factories.
https://electronicintifada.net/content/why-west-wrong-about-hamas/50294?utm_source=chatgpt.com
You keep leaving out the fact that it took the monsters of Israel to oblige them. Once more in that sick fucking head of yours killing anything that moves and starvation as a military tactic is justified.
Who would believe this…?!
Only Time Would Confirm This…!
Time already confirmed two things: 1. Too late for a million civilians. 2. Nobody will report about the number of trucks. 3. Nobody reported #1. …Yes. I said two. …I wanted to demonstrate that even with my terrible math skills, I was still able to count.
Nice to have you back…!
Thank you, my brother.
What a coincidence! 15 months of non-stop slaughter until Trump sends his personal envoy to negotiate a deal last week. Suddenly we have an agreement for a cease-fire. Reportedly, the deal is exactly the same one Netanyahoo has been rejecting for months.
Yes. This smacks of Netanyahu's government ceding a small favour now, anticipating repayment with a very BIG favour later.
It seems that way… Quid Pro Quo…!
Always my preference that anyone saying "quid pro quo" follow it with "…Clarice". In a sinister Anthony Hopkins voice, as can be managed.
;-}
Shivers
Amusingly, the fava beans and Chianti that Lecter mentions as accompaniment to liver, are foods known to decrease the effectiveness of a class of antipsychotic medication.
Sounds like your talent is multifaceted.
I just absorb useless trivial for later use.
It is in time to allow Trump celebrate his inauguration, lets see what comes after that.
After all Israeli hostages are exchanged and home there will be no more demonstrations for BB to deal with.
Half a million Israelis marched against him way before Oct 2023-hopefully, his part in the lay-down will be made public.
A lot has happened since then, how can people oppose him, don't like him, and then support him? based on polls
And here are just a few quotes by Trump during those 15 months.
“Crooked Joe Biden, whether he knows it or not, just said he will withhold weapons from Israel as they fight to eradicate Hamas Terrorists in Gaza,” Trump posted on Truth Social.“Hamas murdered thousands of innocent civilians, including babies, and are still holding Americans hostage, if the hostages are still alive.”
"Stop the protests now!!!" Trump said in an all-caps post.
"From the start, Harris has worked to tie Israel's hand behind its back, demanding an immediate ceasefire, always demanding ceasefire...which would only give Hamas time to regroup and launch a new October 7 style attack."
"I will give Israel the support that it needs to win but I do want them to win fast," he added.
Trump went on to threaten to arrest what he called "pro-Hamas thugs" and "jihad sympathizers."
Interestingly enough is that the exact same thing happened back in 2008 about a week before Obama took office.
No one here trusts Trump or BB. That is a record even for politicians.
Reality check: Trump was just elected President of the US in a romp.
Which means people trust him?
Biden too was elected and Trump was once before elected and Harris was anything but a real candidate. To vote was like flipping a coin to pick a candidate. Trump is now the same age Biden was when he was inaugurated, he is a skilled conman but not a statesman with leadership qualities, he is a bully. The elections are a very expensive manipulated circus.
Trump has to do a lot of talking – which he is good at – to both factions in this party. The Evangelical MAGAs want a Greater Israel with zero Arabs. The secular and millionaire and billionaire MAGA section just want peace three so they can build vacation paradise there.
We need a real opposition in congress, we don’t have it. Neither party opposed the Biden policies. The Democrats threw their constituents under the bus and the Republicans did nothing.
We have a one party dictatorship, no parliament worth the name.
It resembles to China's One Party when it comes to foreign policy…!
Correct, and every election cycle they drum into everyone that by voting Independent or forming a new party means that one throws the vote away. With this kind of thinking there never will be an opposition to the uniparty.
What is "here"?
It's an adverb meaning "in this place; to or toward this place; at this point; at this juncture: used to call attention to some person or thing present, or to what the speaker has, offers, brings, or discovers; present; under consideration, in this instance or case".
But that's not important right now.
Little wonder why the Democrats are losing power. What a dumb move by Biden. Dump the problem on to Trump. But instead he gives Trump a win to start his reign. Just like Reagan got credit for Iran hostage deal, so will Trump get credit for this.
So the deal consist of three (3) phases…! However only the First Phase has been finalized and even then it needs to be approved by Israel government on Thursday, and after that to be implemented on Friday…!
So it's a partial deal if holds, not a complete deal, mainly with some hostage exchange designed to bring a dash of hope to some Israeli families of the hostages.
On the same token… this is a partial victory for Hamas…!
To paraphrase, "there's never been a bad ceasefire or a good resumption-of-hostilities" so far as civilians are concerned.
It is a more than a partial victory. It shows that Hamas is willing to trade 50,000 lives to get their convicted prisoners released. That is win.
Hamas also decimated Israel's standing in the world. And Hamas not only stood up to Israel but utterly destroyed the credibility of the west supporting Israel. And while replenishing its fighters, it also has become a legend for millions of youth around the Middle East waiting to be trained for the next battle.
And don't forget about all the women, children and other Palestinians held under administrative detention. They broke no laws.
The 50k+ lives lost is the price Israel makes the Palestinians pay to be free of Israeli occupation. Yet despite the huge losses they look to the million Algerians lives lost to be free of French colonialism, and because of their faith they are able to celebrate in the streets.
Victims of the Shoah would be proud of them for facing extermination, enduring and coming out into the streets celebrating. @knappster:disqus@disqus_qhuce9v5DO:disqus@ThomasMalthaus:disqus@Vjom01:disqus@donnavolatile:disqus@renatelittlejohn:disqus@warren_paine:disqus@disqus_5VTdHrdJht:disqus@robertscheetz:disqus@existentialdread:disqus@disqus_ipWRUhe2NG:disqus@unclesapien:disqus
Al-Hayyah: We thank all those who stood with their words, pens, voices, images, marches, demonstrations, weapons of boycott, and political, diplomatic, and legal efforts, and raised their voices against aggression and oppression, at the regional and global levels. We thank those free people who broke the conspiracy of silence and exposed the occupiers' crimes against humanity in Gaza and realized the truth of the scene.
https://t.me/ResistanceTrench/37852
Victimsof the Shoah never attacked Germany.
Before the "Israelis" displaced Palestinians, what did the Palestinians do to them?
Hebron massacre 1929.
https://www.fondapol.org/en/study/pogroms-in-palestine-before-the-creation-of-the-state-of-israel-1830-1948/
@binber:disqus and @disqus_5VTdHrdJht:disqus You guys are funny. Why don't you first start by thanking us Muslims for treating you like human beings, protecting you in the early centuries and the Crusades, etc? I looked through the entire Quran and couldn't find anything that remotely resembles the Biblical imperative to wipeout the Amalekites. The pogroms you talk about are common occurrences that even happen within tribes or families. But it was never because of who they were. It had political, economic, social and sometimes religious factors.
What? You mean after the fall of the Ottoman empire when the British took over and Zionists starting coming into Palestine? When the Palestinians started witnessing the beginnings of their own dispossession? When the terrorist groups like the haganah were fomenting violence against Palestinians? Yes those were chaotic times, but why do blame the Palestinians and not the British and those displaying them?
So how long will it take for the terrorist Zionist state to break the "ceasefire". My bet is a day or two. The "ceasefire" in Lebanon did not, for the terrorist Zionist state, last even one day. This agreement is only for a "ceasefire" in Gaza. The West Bank is of course another story.
The free and just people of Israel want peace,as do the silent majority of peoples in the Arab world.
The "free and just" people of Israel are a tiny minority. The majority back their monsters in government.
Are you and I to blame for Vietnamese children getting napalmed? For the Ukraine debacle?
Yes, at least have a conscience. Robert Fisk, was surprised by Bin Laden's reasoning when he said aren't you a democracy? If you vote for your leaders who represent you, then its you supporting Israel, invading our lands and killing our women and children.
We have a famous tradition. "If you see something wrong (a depravity). Change it with your hand, if you can't then with your tongue and if you can't then with your heart. That is the weakest of conviction." @warsrus:disqus
If polls were taken, I wouldn't have sided with my government using napalm or using Ukraine in a proxy war like the majority of Israelis did regarding the slaughter/starvation taking place in Gaza.
We still had honest and good journalists. We still have them, but they can't publish as they should.
We were lied to, as always. The Israeli people are well educated and still the public opinion has been manipulated and the majority are lemmings following war criminals, sadistic mass-killers. Worst of it is how they teach their children to hate, the young IDF men and women testify to that, they were not monsters when they were born, the adults in their lives made them sadistic monsters. Israel society will have to deal with a bitter future, even if they win, they lost their souls and humanity.
Vietnam children & napalm reference ? F**king how outdated is everything you say on here ? Lard tunderin' !
@warsrus:disqus is right.
I am not elitist, I believe there are still plenty of good people out there. Half a million people in Israel marched before Oct 2023 to get rid of Nety. What would happen if half a million people marched against their government ,anywhere in the mideast. They would know better, fearing a night visit from the secret police ,or if they marched ,they would be shot down.
@disqus_5VTdHrdJht:disqus Don't get me started. They marched in opposition to a two bit corrupt criminal of a state without recognized borders or a formal constitution, when they should have been shedding tears for the Palestinians and demonstrating against the occupation.
If half a million people marched against their governments in the Middle East, they would overthrow them. Arab Spring 2.0 is just around the corner. They will put those demonstrations you talk about to shame. @warsrus:disqus@Vjom01:disqus
Where are the recognized borders of Palestine?-they do not exist. Corruption-how did Arafat get himself a billion dollars-how much have the PA authorities socked away for themselves? People who even consider or plan protest in the Islamic world get beaten and or disappeared .Opposition candidates are banned or much worse. Your world has anarchy ,insane Quadafi dictators and unelected Kings, Sheiks, and strongmen.
They do exist, and they are recognized by a supermajority of UN member states.
You don't have to like that. That's how it is whether you like it or not.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/91163aeede3ae7989fe7069dfb83590e81f7b7c4ad07c894b9349a3069dc13d0.png
Jake, it is understandable, you want to believe, but the fact is money rules the world.
Since that's already been answered by @knappster:disqus, I would just say that the rest of your response is deflecting. Corrupt Middle East rulers doesn't legitimize Israel. Israel is an aberration it slaughters tens of thousands and harms its own people.
If my San Jose Sharks' goalies could deflect like 'joke' does, they wouldn't be taking such a Ba'ath in the standings for a second season in a row….
But the good people are not in power, big money is.
You're not elitist, you're just a Promised™ Land At Any Cost pro-Israel racist, a liar, and most glaringly, a clown nobody takes seriously.
The more amusing parts of my day are when I can easily refute your prattling with words I know you don't understand, drawing certain giggles from others of us on here who see exactly what you are and what you stand for. Yes it's "punching down" but the UFC became very popular off just that.
But that does not include the good Zionists and settlers on the WB and they are in charge and are supported by the majority of Israelis.
It will end when the inauguration celebration ends.
As soon as the Israeli POW's are returned Gaza and the West Bank will be annexed. I'm not holding my breath on any lasting peace. We know the Israelis are liars. Nothing will change and the Greater Israel project will move forward, with the help of US forces. I hope I'm dead wrong, but my expectations are low.
Well, if / when that happens, it'll permanently confirm what the leaders of the Apartheid State of Israel are all about.
Only vritually every other state in the mideast is Apartheid.
Dictatorships yes. Apartheid, no.
True.
Really?-Egypt evicted all its Jews in 1956,as did Iraq .Worse than any imagined apartheid
"Worse than any imagined apartheid"
Black people in the Republic of South Africa for decades leading up to the 1990s would love if you'd get a f**king clue some day, joke.
@jake I was casually browsing this chain of discussion and every time @warsrus:disqus and @unclesapien:disqus belted out a witty "jake" I couldn't help laughing at your expense, however, I refrained from commenting or upvoting so as not to encourage such behavior. However, when I saw this response I couldn't help but think why doesn't this person get it? These pathetic Zionist talking points don't pass muster. Haven't you heard of the Lavon Affair and the bombings in Baghdad attributed to Zionists in 150-51?
You don't have to agree with everything Avi Shlaim says here but why do you hate scholarship and facts?
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The proof is in his pudding – or rather, the mire joke soaks in up to his ears, which themselves are plugged with special filters that turns ASI propaganda into "facts" that he accepts credulously and absent any connection to observed reality.
My intention is to confront lies and propaganda and, especially in the case of 'Major' Timothy Burns, press them to explain or rationalise their statements. Burns in particular has steadfastly refused to explain why he takes the ignorantly pro-Zionist, pro-genocide, pro-ASI, anti-Palestinian, inhuman stances he does. His motivations and personal benefits thereof, are secrets he guards with suspicious fervor.
Got it. I don't ignore their responses because at some point others may see the comments and can at least be educated on facts.
Now you're at least admitting that Israel is an Apatheid state. And then you add some nonsense, that even if true, doesn't fucking change that.
Anything true that you can't handle or face up to is nonsense.
It's nonsense because it's irrelevant whether it's true or not. Others practicing Apartheid, AGAIN whether true or not, doesn't justify Israel practicing Apartheid.
joke permits the Apartheid State of Israel to conduct itself in any manner it pleases because, for no reason ever given when he has been asked directly, joke has decided that the ASI and its patron religion & its adherents, are the only important State or ideology or people on the entire planet and EVERYTHING and EVERYONE else are inferior garbage unworthy of consideration or basic human decency.
If he could press a button and bleach the planet of every human outside of Israel's proper borders, I am 99.98% sure he'd do it.
False.
The only apartheid states are the Arab countries who evicted their Jewish peoples.
False.
The Republic of South Africa was one.
The existing State of Israel IS one.
You seem to think that the only offenses against anyone that “count” as real or legitimate or important, are anything against Jewish people. That everyone else – Muslims, Arabs – don’t matter at all and/or aren’t “people”.
As if Hamy wins honesty awards. The US will not get involved, save to keeping the Shiite crescent broken. Us is bankrupt, its military drained, and must turn t o face China.
No matter what happens Hamas will resume firing missiles into Israel,and then whine and cry when the response comes.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/ceasefire-deal-reportedly-reached
See:
"A Deal Too Late: Israel Agrees to the Ceasefire It Rejected Months Ago, Thousands More Died" (Intercept)
And as of this morning Israel has not yet finalized it. American Zionist organization is already having a cow over the deal, they would prefer elimination of all Palestinians. Within Israel are also many problems.
Such a deal, talking about three phases stretched out over several years, is a pipe dream and only done for political reasons for one or the other side.
Show me where American Zionists call for elimination of allPalestinians.
American Zionists fund a multi million dollar Islamophobia industry whose goal is to literally whip up hatred and fear of Muslims, so if America goes to war in the middle East, our boys kill and go to their death thinking Muslims and Arabs are the enemy.
"Show me where American Zionists call for elimination of all Palestinians."
The poster did not say US "Zionists call for elimination of all Palestinians;" he said that – vs the ceasefire – they "would prefer elimination of all Palestinians."
Conditional case: So it's a q. of 'evidence they would prefer to "eliminate" all Palestinians if they could – "eliminate" meaning kill and/or ethnically cleanse.'
Congressional US Zionist Cotton opposed the deal – clearly 'preferring' continued "elimination" of Palestinians by indiscriminate murder.
Further, Cotton wanted to increase the "elimination" – "'Here’s the ‘deal’ to offer Hamas and…Iran…You have five days to release ALL the hostages or we ‘unleash hell.’ (Hill, "Cotton knocks…ceasefire," 1/16/25)
In an already genocidal siege, already killing near 70% women/children, Cotton is so openly mass murderous that it's entirely reasonable to think that – if he could – Cotton "would prefer" to eliminate all Palestinians.
Lot like some genocidal sick fucks here. Huh, jake?
"American Zionist organization is already having a cow over the deal"
Got a link for that? I wanna know more.
As the key enabler of Israel's genocide, the US 'Israel Über Alles' reaction to a prospective deal is important:
as I posted a while back, in my NYC, largely Jewish neighborhood, Zionist extremists actually defaced the 'return the hostages' posters put up by 'liberal' – though also genocide-ok – Zionists.
Get it? 'Cause the extreme right did not want a deal based on hostage exchange for halting its crimes against humanity – did not even want people to think of the plight of the hostages: 'too bad for the hostages – ethnically-cleansing-by-genocide Gazans, in order to permanently seize Gaza and the West Bank – is the goal.'
A split mirroring what you see in Israel, btw.
Dunno what the poster/defacement situation is now, as I'm not in US for awhile – but if you've got a good article on ADL-type reactions, please share it.
Of course Trump should take credit for the ceasefire. Biden proposed the same ceasefire agreement on May 31, 2024 but he refused to put pressure on Netanyahu to accept it. All he had to do was embarrass Netanyahu publically, and that's exactly what Trump did. It shows:
1. Biden is an ideological Zionist, and will die on that mole hill.
2. Trump is transactional, and therefore unpredictable
3. American presidents can assert control over Israel policy if they wanted to
@unclesapien:disqus@existentialdread:disqus@disqus_5VTdHrdJht:disqus@disqus_qhuce9v5DO:disqus
Trump can take credit for this – but his "Administration" cannot. Because his Administration does not exist yet. It will next week, but for now, it does not. And nothing that happens before he is President (not just President-Elect) was done by his Administration. The Biden Administration is still responsible for all matters of State.
Biden is a cunning,if doting politician
The only substantial thing that this "ceasefire" will do is to ONCE AGAIN demonstrate Israel's total disdain for ANY agreement that hinders its ability to attack and destroy. We don't need a ceasefire as much as we need WAR CRIMES indictments against these monsters!
The true evil are those who gave the orders to Hez and Hamy to stary a war.
Not even close. Do you need numbers again pigshit?
Don't give him numbers above 6. On a good day, with fair weather and a following wind, joke can count to about 5.
We've seen this story many times before. Netanyahu will blame Hamas for renegening, and Hamas will do the same. Even if the deal went through, their will be massive concessions for Israel.
The criminal minister is already delaying the Knesset vote on the so called ceasefire today (Thursday)…!
Hamas agreed to the same agreement back in May, 2024.
And Israeli shit already hits the fan.
So screwed up that all the people fighting to take credit for this deal were all in on the warmongering throughout. Yet those who took to the streets, lost jobs, got kicked out of school or simply raised a megaphone on the Internet are marginalized.
The First Amendment will continue to be trashed. Does not matter what faction is in the WH. Israel rules. Mrs Adelson rules. AIPAC rules.
Nearly all of our "representatives" have "babysitters" from AIPAC.
How the F*cking Hell did it become like this???????????????
Greenblatt calls for killing and injuring people who are against Israel policy. See video here: You may want to cool it for a while and check your phone and computer for explosives/s
Worthless threats. Yeah they can still throw their weight around here and there, but just as they are losing the military fight, they are losing hearts and minds all over the world. This strategy will only make it worse.
There were no threats made in this piece.
He said and "eighth" front in addition to the 7 battle fronts. Don't worry they're already losing that too big time.
Candace Owens smoked them when she said her Zionist buddies said read, closer and you'll understand why and what we are doing in Gaza. When she and millions of others saw the slaughter of innocents. They didn't like what they saw. Now these millions are labeled anti semites.
It was a trained civilized manipulative hate speech. Read between the lines and what is being omitted.
And they never question why they are losing the hearts and minds all over the world. .
Self accountability is a difficult pill to swallow for a people who can't see us as equal human beings. Not because we demand to be treated like human beings but because we are all human beings.
Let's assume this tribe is made up 16 million geniuses. There over 8 billion people in the world. The world just has to produce .02 % geniuses out of 8 billion to smoke them away in brilliance. I don't understand the arrogance of these people.
Nowhere does this man call for anything like that-killing anybody.
He was planting fear and hate, never asking WHY anti-Semitism is on the rise.
He is a hateful Zionist, the poor victim. That is how he makes his living.
HE IS DEFAMING normal justified critic on Zionist/Israel by calling it anti-Semitism.
Who are these so called"babysitters"?
Dude this is hilarious. See for yourself. Are you an American? If so, you should be ashamed of and for our congress. If not an American, we are ashamed that you discovered how spineless we are. (1 min)
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Are you new to jake aka joke ? He's a callous racist one-note idiot with a deadly allergy to the SHIFT and SPACEBAR keys.
Yeah, I guess so
His Comments indict himself.
Who are these so called "babysitters"-name them.
Are you actually trying to deny AIPAC's influence? Fucking seriously????
Israel is probably only agreeing to a ceasefire with Hamas, only because they cannot afford a two front war, and right now they want to go into Syria and trash that place.
And Lebanon, and bomb, bomb, bomb Iran of course.
For a full year,Hez ,based in Lebanon ,fired missles into Israel-they got a totally just response.
A heinous, terrorist hostage-taking and its conditional, gradual release, clamour organized by Hamas, who would be better advised to immediately release all remaining hostages unconditionally in order to achieve a future peace, if that is its intention.
https://www.israelhayom.com/2025/01/16/real-challenge-begins-after-the-hostage-deal/
https://casebook.icrc.org/a_to_z/glossary/hostages
https://lieber.westpoint.edu/hostage-taking-law-armed-conflict/
You need to catch up.
When that happens, the Zionists will continue the "cleansing" by murder, starvation, disease, until there are no Palestinians left.
Do you read the comments by Ben-Gvir, Smotrich, Netanyahu???
Of course, I take into account the absurd, disproportionate reactions, demands of the religious parties in Israel. This is why I am writing my commentary to challenge those supporters of Zionist behaviour as to how honestly they intend to live with a future peace of coexistence between two different populations without expanding their settlement area. A ceasefire does not mean a peace agreement.
On the other hand, I assume that the negotiated ceasefire and hostage and prisoner exchange agreement in Qatar will remain valid in practice. Hamas would therefore be wiser to make an advancement in accordance with the Qatar agreement.
With your opinion you support a hostage-taking, a war crime, blackmail with hostages and digital violence.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/ben-gvir-urges-smotrich-to-join-him-in-threat-to-bolt-government-if-hostage-deal-goes-through/
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/article-837687 Smotrich: If Israel doesn't return to Gaza after ceasefire, I will quit government
We always knew about Israeli absurdities and depravity from dealing with them. It's illuminating to see that they actually write these absurdities and depravities. They're so out of touch that it makes their collapse imminent. There are so many things wrong with this article that I couldn't bother to cut and paste all of it. Every sentence can be psychoanalyzed. Every accusation is a confession. Almost every sentence is delusional.
For example
"But there's a broader view – we have nothing more to gain from prolonging the war, as we've already achieved the major objectives."
"But I have an answer to this. While Hamas may be like crabgrass – we haven't fully weeded the field – it has no offensive capability, and Gazan society as a whole has suffered losses beyond anything they imagined."
or this lunacy
"Israel had the ability to end the conflict through military means, but since 1948 they haven't allowed us to achieve complete victory. And therefore, although we win on the battlefield, we don't have the power to translate our victories into complementary diplomatic arrangements."
(Yeah!! even your handlers couldn't stomach your genocidal actions. And duh! If you can't win on the battlefield, you don't get to dictate the "complementary diplomatic arrangements.")
The affliction and calamity of this mindset was so acute that it caused me to burst out into laughter. Honestly, send these people to mental hospitals in straight jackets ASAP.
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You support extortionate kidnapping, a war crime. I don't have an Israeli passport and look at the conflict from a humanistic, political and international legal perspective. Your argumentation by means of psychological, psychiatric warfare does not show humanity, but aggression, hatred, revenge and digital violence.
I know it's difficult on the Israeli psyche but compared to what has been done to the children of Gaza, it pales in comparison. You feel that it is aggresive however its coming from a place of concern for humanity and justice. No one should have to compromise on those principles. Israelis must change their behavior. Even now they are doing the most petty things to antagonize the Palestinians because they were forced into a ceasefire. Qatar exposed some of the antics that occurred in the negotiations. They termed it as childish and immature.
Well, the numerous looting of international aid in Gaza or the failure to protect the civilian population by Hamas' undesignated non-combat zones doesn't worry you.
Again your deflecting.
Incidentally, the law of war, jus in bello, suspends the protection of hospitals, schools etc. if local fighters misuse those civilian facilities for military purposes.
The law is that civilian infrastructure is not to be targeted, especially schools, hospitals etc. You are alluding to the exception which Israel has not established. Every single hospital in the Strip was attacked in some way leading to a complete shutdown of most of the hospitals. Even if Sinwar was in one of them, under the circumstances, it wouldn't justify bombing them and killing all those civilians.
There is absolutely no reason to charge Israel with genocide because it was not trying to wipe out Palestinians. It was trying to get at Hamas which is all over (and under) the Strip.
The trauma for Israel is it FAILED big time to destroy Hamas which has reconstituted itself to or beyond Oct. 7th numbers. In addition, the 5% unexploded ordinance of over 70,000 tons is expected to last Hamas a couple of generations –courtesy of the Israeli air force.
Not one major objective of Israel has been met by the war. If it had accomplished its goals it probably would have beat the genocide charge. All it did was slaughter civilians, submit to a ceasefire and be charged with genocide.
If I was an Israeli I would seriously consider committing suicide.
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Propaganda, nothing but biased propaganda is contained in your comment, because you do not provide any photos that Hamas is clearly publicly establishing non-combat zones around hospitals, schools, mosques, etc. over a wide area. Moreover, partisan propaganda of genocide regarding a prejudgement of an accused genocide against the state of Israel does not distinguish an incitement, an attempt or the subjective intent to commit an act of genocide based on international convention.
https://www.ohchr.org/en/instruments-mechanisms/instruments/convention-prevention-and-punishment-crime-genocide
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/intent
https://iici.global/wpd/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/icls-training-materials-sec-6-genocide.pdf
http://opiniojuris.org/2024/04/05/the-icjs-findings-on-plausible-genocide-in-gaza-and-its-implications-for-the-international-criminal-court/
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule10 Civilian Objects’ Loss of Protection from Attack
@binber:disqus was this a joke?
"…because you do not provide any photos that Hamas is clearly publicly establishing non-combat zones around hospitals, schools, mosques, etc. over a wide area."
You expected the occupied, blockaded, put-on-a-diet-Prisoners to build non combat zones?
Bless their wonderful hearts that they manufacture their own weapons and built a tunnel system Zionists decry as longer than the NYC subway.
And BTW, I don't formally use the "genocide" label. What Israel has done in Gaza is disgusting on its face. No need for legal jargon. Just the ICJ allegation is enough to put Israel to shame in the eyes of the world forever.
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The humanistic perspective would support the human rights of the Palestinian people which have been denied them from the start, even before some 700 000 Palestinians were expelled by the Irgun/Zionists in 1948. They have never been compensated for the loss of their properties in Palestine or on the WB to this day?
I support the human rights of the Palestinian people.
Zionist Israeli are morally on the same level with the Nazi Germans.
I support internationally recognized human rights everywhere. Your exaggerated, repeated propagandistic comparison of the Israelis with German fascists of the Second World War shows that you do not understand and trivialize German fascism (industrial mass extermination in an autocratic, totalitarian system of violence, terror, and war). Approximately 1.8 million Palestinians live in the state of Israel without the occupied territories. Please compare the victims and refugees of the Spanish Civil War 1936-1939 with those in Gaza or Palestine.
https://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/110670/TheRefugeesOf1948.pdf?sequence=1 The Events of 1948 and the Palestinian Refugees
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/myths-and-facts-the-refugees
https://www.fondapol.org/en/study/pogroms-in-palestine-before-the-creation-of-the-state-of-israel-1830-1948/
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/spanish-civil-war
I compare the moral points between German and Israeli Fascists, I see no difference. That is my opinion and yes, opinions are debatable. We can have the same facts and have a differing point of view.
To me evil is evil, political mass-killers are as evil as a Jeffrey Dahmer, his neighbors did not know how evil he was either, he looked normal and acted normal.
You give a naive answer, with the consequence that you call an obedient soldier of your country evil if he kills a human being. The obedient soldier usually acts as a tool of his commanders.
The same could be said for the Zionists in Israel and DC that is the moral side of the issue, but the political and military might is reality.
Palestinians do not have a regular army, Israelis are holding thousands of Palestinians including women and children in prison were they are being tortured. There is lots of evidence of it.
Links to government sources are not reliable, official sources have lost credibility a long time ago. To find the truth is like finding a needle in a hay stack.