Israeli soldiers stationed in the Netzarim Corridor in the Gaza Strip regularly shoot and kill Palestinian civilians but count them as “terrorists,” Haaretz reported on Wednesday, citing testimony from Israeli commanders and other soldiers.
The Netzarim Corridor is a strip of land that separates northern Gaza from central and southern Gaza, where Israeli troops have demolished virtually every building and established military outposts. The Haaretz report says the IDF has designated the area a “kill zone,” meaning any Palestinians who try to cross a certain line are shot and killed even if they’re unarmed.
“The forces in the field call it ‘the line of dead bodies,'” a commander in the IDF’s Division 252 told Haaretz. “After shootings, bodies are not collected, attracting packs of dogs who come to eat them. In Gaza, people know that wherever you see these dogs, that’s where you must not go.”
A recently discharged Division 252 officer said, “For the division, the kill zone extends as far as a sniper can see. We’re killing civilians there who are then counted as terrorists.”
The officer said Israeli units compete to see how many people they can kill. “The IDF spokesperson’s announcements about casualty numbers have turned this into a competition between units. If Division 99 kills 150 [people], the next unit aims for 200,” he said.
In one instance, Israeli troops massacred 200 Palestinians, and only 10 were confirmed as being “known Hamas operatives.” But the IDF announced they were all militants. “No one questioned the public announcement about killing hundreds of militants,” a Division 252 officer said.
One soldier, described as a veteran of Division 252, recounted a time when the unit killed a boy he estimated was only 16 years old. “One time, guards spotted someone approaching from the south. We responded as if it was a large militant raid. We took positions and just opened fire. I’m talking about dozens of bullets, maybe more. For about a minute or two, we just kept shooting at the body. People around me were shooting and laughing,” he said.
The soldier said when it became clear the boy was not a Hamas militant, the battalion commander still congratulated them for “killing a terrorist” and said he hoped they would kill more. “When someone pointed out he was unarmed and looked like a civilian, everyone shouted him down. The commander said: ‘Anyone crossing the line is a terrorist, no exceptions, no civilians. Everyone’s a terrorist.’ This deeply troubled me,” the soldier said.
In another instance, a soldier described witnessing four unarmed Palestinians being shot at by an Israeli tank, and only one survived. “We put him in a cage set up near our position, stripped off his clothes, and left him there. Soldiers passing by spat on him. It was disgusting. Finally, a military interrogator came, questioned him briefly while holding a gun to his head, then ordered his release,” the soldier said.
The soldier said the three unarmed Palestinians who were killed were buried by IDF bulldozers. “I don’t know if anyone remembers they’re there,” he said.
The report is just the latest piece of evidence that Israeli soldiers on the ground in Gaza are purposely killing civilians in Gaza. Earlier this year, a report from 972 Magazine cited Israeli soldiers who detailed how “Israeli soldiers routinely executed Palestinian civilians simply because they entered an area that the military defined as a ‘no-go zone.'”
American doctors and nurses who have volunteered in Gaza have reported seeing many children with gunshot wounds to the head and chest. “Every one of us who worked in an emergency, intensive care, or surgical setting treated pre-teen children who were shot in the head or chest on a regular or even a daily basis,” 99 American healthcare workers said in an open letter to President Biden released in October.
How does one know the difference between a Hamas fighter and a Gaza civilian? You can't. Even the Gaza health ministry can not tell the difference. Have you ever read a report from the Gaza health ministry saying that x people killed today including y Hamas fighters. It is not video game where the bad guys wear black.
I would say maybe someone under 4 or 5 feet or so is probably a child.
Also, is putting a naked man in a cage and spitting on him necessary for the "moral" army to win the "war?"
From the article:
'In another instance, a soldier described witnessing four unarmed Palestinians being shot at by an Israeli tank, and only one survived. “We put him in a cage set up near our position, stripped off his clothes, and left him there. Soldiers passing by spat on him. It was disgusting. Finally, a military interrogator came, questioned him briefly while holding a gun to his head, then ordered his release,” the soldier said.'
But it isn't a video game, and the bad guy wasn't wearing black, so they had to make sure. /s
I think it was you, wars, way back, in a bit of sarcasm, but it was, in fact true, that everything is terrorism, houses, apartments, walls, water, food, streets, air, babies, etc.
The only people who believe this are helplessly stupid or invested in perpetuating these talking point soundbites. (Which I think makes them inherently evil).
If it was me, I certainly wasn't alone.
Whoever, truth.
That's propaganda.
Try understanding international laws and standard rules of engagement.
We know, your precious zionists get to break any rule of law they see fit.
No sale.
"We know, your precious zionists get to break any rule of law they see fit."
Just like – rubbing elbows with apologist pals – US genocide enablers like tb can spout any lying crap they want and count on a round of approving head nods.
Jeffrey Sachs said CIA were “journalists” hired at NYT, coyly stating that he doesn’t know if that still happens or if they are still there.
"Sachs said CIA were 'journalists' hired at NYT"
Likely Sachs had in mind NYT Judith Miller's Iraq lies:
"HUANG: Journalists played a huge role in the spread of misinformation that led to the invasion of Iraq. And you focused on Judith Miller, a New York Times reporter who served a jail sentence rather than give up sources that gave her bad information….
"MALONE: Yeah. Judith Miller has really become the poster girl for journalistic malpractice during the lead up to the Iraq War. But she certainly wasn't alone…"
All Thing Considered, "20 years on, remembering the…misinformation that propelled the Iraq War" (misinfo NPR eagerly bought into)
Note: if Miller chose jail vs. naming sources, likely it was 'cause the 'sources' were so journalistically non-credible, she would have served time anyway…if she even had any sources, and wasn't just making up crap.
Due Dissidence said Taibbi claimed 7. He wouldn’t tell who they were, but apparently the secret is not well kept in journalism circled.
Ok champ
Most people who read this article would feel disgust and shame over what these barbarians admit they are doing with our country's help. But not Timmy boy. No sir, it's just that they can't tell the difference even though they admit they make no effort to try to tell the difference.
Has ANY Hamas member ever been interviewed to get THEIR side of why October 7 was planned and exactly WHO was behind the planning? If Hamas is allowed to tell ITS side of the story of the last 70 plus years, the tide would definitely turn AGAINST Israel even more! You can't treat people like crap and NOT expect some blowback!
BTW, Hamas has many times agreed to international investigations of October 7th and other incidents, but Israel has refused.
I assume you’ ve read this?
NAT TURNER IN GAZA
by Norman Finkelstein
https://www.normanfinkelstein.com/nat-turner-in-gaza/
Thanks for the article. I have not read it before. BTW, it is not clear to me that Hamas went on a killing spree just for the sake of killing. Given the heavily fortified military installations, crossfire, cowardly retreat of the IDF, the Hannibal directive, the unexpected presence of the rave concert and the infiltration by other small armed groups and civilians, it was clear that Hamas targeted military installations and intended to confiscate military intelligence data and take military personnel as bargaining chips.
Yes.
I believe this was written before all of that came to light, but the spirit of the piece remains.
One of the funniest clips I’ve ever seen was Finkelstein debating some internet guy I’d never heard of, who came unarmed, to challenge a scholar like Finkelstein.
At one point, after a good deal of patience, Finkelstein lost it and screeched, “ You are a fantastical moron!”. It makes me laugh every time I see it.
'How does one know the difference between a Hamas fighter and a Gaza civilian? You can't.'
Then the solution is simple: don't shoot.
Of course, this is not a solution for Israel, whose aim is ethnic cleansing.
Genocide apologetics published 10 hrs ago which was after 1am my time and I'm in Europe. "Tim Burns" are you in Israel or India, how many are you, are you female..? How many rupees per post?
"How does one know the difference between a Hamas fighter and a Gaza civilian? You can't."
Lie. Israel's war criminal murder of civilians is deliberate and calculated. As Israel's own military officials admit:
Israeli military officials have "confirmed that the Israeli army has files on the vast majority of potential targets in Gaza — including homes — which stipulate the number of civilians who are likely to be killed in an attack on a particular target. This number is calculated and known in advance to the army’s intelligence units, who also know shortly before carrying out an attack roughly how many civilians are certain to be killed."
"‘A mass assassination factory’: Inside Israel’s calculated bombing of Gaza
"Permissive airstrikes on non-military targets…have enabled the Israeli army to carry out its deadliest war on Gaza"
972, Yuval Abraham, 11/30/2023
Of course it is calculated and done on purpose to get all Palestinians and Arabs out of Israel for "Greater Israel" to come into being.
Oct 7th was actually welcomed and invited by Netanyahu to start his rampage with world approval in the beginning.
One should pay attention what Netanyahu said way back in the Nineties and US CIA hopes for the Middle East. Regime change – meaning wars and slaughter was recommended for 7 Mid East countries. They only have one – Iran – to go.
Earlier:
Scott Long
@scottlong1980
Nov 5, 2023
In the 70s, historian Max Hastings interviewed Benjamin Netanyahu extensively, after the Netanyahu family recruited him to write an official biography of Bibi's brother Yoni. Here Hastings, in his memoirs, recalls Bibi's racism and enthusiasm for total ethnic cleansing:
"Of course it is calculated and done on purpose to get all Palestinians and Arabs out of Israel for 'Greater Israel'"
Yes – ethnic cleansing by means of genocidal terror.
God bless my old Jewish HS history teacher who when the kids made really outrageous comments would say "It's better to be quiet and have people think you're stupid, than to open your mouth and have people know you're stupid."
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You provide an endless stream of lame excuses for mass murder.
Those war criminals were created by Zionist ideology. Zionism, Ukrainian neo-Nazism, Wahhabi radicalism, all those criminal ideologies are supported and financed by U.S.. So, if we want to stop the spread of the evil, we have to change American political system which is breeding and feeding those evil ideologies.
Changing America's ideology regarding Israel or wars in general is not an easy task. Especially the idea regarding Israel being our only hope of Democracy in the Middle East.
The secular faction of the USA used the creation of Israel as a stepping stone to meddle and control the middle East – period. Then we have the religious faction who see Israel as the "Holy Land" where Jesus will return again and therefore to get rid of all the "enemies" is justified and even holy.
In the meantime we supply Israel with endless super weapons, money galore adn even troops for their slaughter and a great segment of the US public asupports it as well for either secualr or religious reasons. Trump's son in law is already dreaming of a vacation paradise creation in the Gaza strip after it is empty. And Evangelicals are waiting for Jesus in Jerusalem.
The atrocities are many, and are mostly hidden from us.
Ok kid
"The atrocities are many, and are mostly hidden from us."
Sure, govt/mass media lies and omissions is a big part of it. But 'ignorance of what's happening' only explains so much, imo.
Prob' is also, 'You only find what you look for':
Not just rationalizing, but tuning out the evils of your govt? – its human impact on your physical 'neighbors'?
It's like in "The Zone of Interest," where the family of a concentration camp official live a happy life – complacently ignorant of the Nazi camp horrors on the other side of the wall next to where they live;
and like apartheid South Africa – and like in the below interview w/the son of an Israeli General who broke w/his father's Zionist creed…
…who talks about how – as a youth, enjoying a bucolic summer camp vacation with other young Israelis – he never once thought about the lives of the Gazans on the other side of the Gaza fence, a few km off.
Owen Jones, "Israeli General's Son: Why I Rejected Zionism"
Haaretz is the only honest publication in Israel.
Thus…
Israeli Government Imposes Sanctions on Haaretz, Cuts All Ties and Pulls Advertising
The resolution approved on Sunday did not appear on the government's agenda published ahead of the weekly cabinet meeting, and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu approved it without it undergoing the customary legal review
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-11-24/ty-article/.premium/israeli-govt-to-cut-ties-with-haaretz-over-publishers-remarks-on-freedom-fighters/00000193-5e5c-d68e-a1db-fe5c54cf0000
I liked their response:
"Haaretz will not baulk and will not morph into a government pamphlet that publishes messages approved by the government and its leader."
Reminded me of Justin Raimondo calling our press "stenographers for the war party". Not a Haaretz among them.
"Haaretz is the only honest publication in Israel."
Despite Israel's extreme right govt, Haaretz is about 5% of readers.
Now, you might think: 'Alas, a small paid readership – how small is bad Israel's 'decent' opposition!' But compare Haaretz w/US media:
where – versus mainstream news sources ranging from Fox to the New York Times – oppositional news voices like Antiwar make up a sliver of 1% of all news coverage?
Well, from that vantage point…
…Israeli news is paradoxically freer and more representative…
…whereas the media of the US – the imperial enforcer, and Israel's enabler-in-chief – is far more uniformly and strongly genocide-denying-and-rationalizing than its Middle East proxy.
https://youtu.be/RbmS3tQJ7Os
"The guy who shot the health insurance CEO is a terrorist, but the people systematically slaughtering civilians in Gaza are not terrorists. The people fighting against those who are slaughtering the civilians are terrorists, and noncombatants are being categorized as belonging to this terrorist organization in order to justify killing them. The al-Qaeda affiliates in Syria were terrorists, but now they’re a US puppet regime so soon they won’t be terrorists — but they need to be designated terrorists for a little while longer because the claim that Syria is crawling with terrorists is Israel’s justification for its recent land grabs there. The Uyghur militant group ETIM used to be a terrorist group, but now they’re not a terrorist group because they can be used to help carve up Syria and maybe fight China later on. The IRGC is a military wing of a sovereign nation, but it counts as a terrorist group because of vibes or something.
Is that clear enough?" -Caitlin Johnstone
https://caitlinjohnstone.com.au/2024/12/19/where-does-the-aggression-really-begin/
The Israeli Zionist government of B. Netanyahu is the great humanitarian scandal of the 21st century, with the active assistance of the US Biden-Harris government and of President-elect D. Trump's verbal support.
History will record that the Zionist Israeli government committed the first genocide of the 21st century, killing civilians in Gaza by tens of thousands, as if they were animals.
This is a shameful return to military barbarism.
Russia invaded Ukraine 1st, so thats wrong
So is that. There were other invasions before Russia invaded Ukraine. But regardless, her comment is still correct.
Russia is committing Genocide in ukaine
Bullshit. Every war isn't a genocide. And this war doesn't even compare to the "shock and awe" that the US did in Iraq.
the executions, the purposeful killings, the indiscriminate bombings, the abductions>
Not a definition of genocide. And Ukraine has done the same.
Ok, give a few examples
In three years of fighting Russia killed 2,200 children in Ukraine a country of 44 million people when Russia invaded. In thirteen months Israel killed over 17,000 children in Gaza a concentration camp with a population of 2.1 million when Israel invaded. I did the math. If Israel killed Gazan children at the same rate Russia kills Ukrainian chilren, Israel would have killed a total of about 30 children in Gaza. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is wrong. But Israel's campaign in Gaza is genocide.
Russian troops have avoided killing and maiming innocent civilians. Israeli troops have gone out of their way TO kill and maim innocent civilians.
Terrorists are defined by killing and maiming innocents. So…. what does that make a state whose troops engage in terrorism?
russian troops have avoided killing people?
lol
Do bother to read the posts in a string? Or are you so smothered in propaganda you can’t do that?
Russian troops avoided killing innocent civilians. Kiev regime troops? Not so much…
My only hope is that you’re just ignorant
It’s your hopium, I myself prefer reality. .
clearly you don’t like our current one
Funny how people say that Israel has killed “much more than [the reported amount],” but not for Ukraine.
That number is likely an underestimate, as most deaths are not reported, just like in Gaza, where although I don’t support Hamas, the death toll is realistically much higher than reported.
Plus, you fail to mention the Ukrainian kids abducted to Russia and “reeducated,” and the forced adoptions and family separations.
And the indiscrimate bombing of Ukrainian cities.
Both are genocide, and both countries are led by fascist lunatics
Sad that you have to go to Israeli media to get objective reporting on the conflict. The Western mainstream press unquestioningly follows the Israeli government narrative that dead Palestinians are always terrorists and dead Israelis are always innocent civilians.
The US has done similar. War is hell!
9 unforgettable quotes by General James Mattis, USMC- POLITICO
It’s quite fun to shoot them, you know. It’s a hell of a hoot. It’s fun to shoot some people.’ In 2005, he offered this commentary on war: “You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil.
There are some assholes in the world that just need to be shot.’ Speaking to some 200 Marines, Mattis had this advice, according to longtime reporter Thomas Ricks: “The first time you blow someone away is not an insignificant event.
I come in peace. I didn’t bring artillery. But I’m pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you fuck with me, I’ll kill you all.’ Mattis remembered offering this message to Iraqi leaders following the invasion, Ricks reported.
Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet.’