Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz said Tuesday that the Israeli military will occupy Gaza like it does the West Bank even after the genocidal war in the Strip comes to an end.
“After we defeat Hamas’ military and governmental power in Gaza, Israel will have security control over Gaza with full freedom of action, just as it did in Judea and Samaria (the West Bank),” Katz wrote on X.
Katz’s comments come amid reports that Israel and Hamas are close to a hostage deal that would involve a temporary ceasefire. However, on Tuesday, Israeli officials told Axios that significant gaps remain and an agreement is not imminent despite optimistic statements.
Hamas reportedly conceded not to seek an Israeli military withdrawal as part of the deal, but Hamas officials are saying their proposal involved a gradual end to the Israeli military presence, meaning Katz’s comments could sabotage negotiations.
According to Middle East Eye, Israeli media reported that Israel plans to keep troops in place in Gaza to prevent displaced Palestinians from returning to northern Gaza, where the IDF has been carrying out an ethnic cleansing plan known as the “General’s Plan.”
Israeli ministers and Knesset members have not been shy about their desire to establish Jewish settlements in northern Gaza, and settler leaders have already gone to scout locations.
Haaretz reported on Tuesday that Israel and Saudi Arabia reached a breakthrough in normalization talks that could lead to a Gaza hostage deal, but it was swiftly denied by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The report said Israel agreed to make some vague commitment toward a Palestinian state, which Netanyahu said was “absolutely false.”
“Netanyahu has acted, and is acting, against the establishment of a Palestinian state that would endanger the security of Israel,” the prime minister’s office said in a statement.
Of course they will, they always do. They also took the Golan Heights.
The Palestinians deserve their own state, just like everyone else.
Deserves? No one deserves anything.
The Arabs agreed to resolve the issue by war in 1947. It was resolved.
Israelis say they deserve the area because their Canaanite branch war god gave it to them thousands of years ago, and say they deserve American taxpayer money for reasons that are never stated.
"No one deserves anything." Ah. Does this mean we can stop paying for your little apartheid grifter beach club?
I told someone yesterday who said similar things on Newsmax, that with that thinking the American indigenous people deserve the entire landmass of the USA and anyone else should just move out or stay under the control and obedience of the American Indians.
Some people support this view, including many Mexicans, who call the US Southwest "occupied Mexico". However, people who feel this way are usually living comfortably under the protection and affluence of the nation they say isn't legitimate, and none are willing to give up their affluence or land on this basis.
The Israelis don't control Israel because of God; they control Israel because they won the war in 1947-48. And all subsequent attempts to take their land.
As for US support, it's a bargain. Without Israel, the US would lose the Middle East, which would cost our economy trillions of dollars; and when the next war comes, if you want the most advanced weapons to be on the "other side," then ask Israel to help Russia or China instead of the US.
So, yes, no one deserves anything. The US doesn't deserve California, which used to be part of Mexico, or Alaska (Russia), or even the original 13 colonies. Countries and boundaries exist because of wars and treaties. People can think whatever they want about God or Allah or whatever, but it is armies and treaties that count.
People do not have a God given right to freedom and their own home?
Those are very abstract terms; good for bumper stickers, maybe.
1. As to God, I have no idea what God thinks, and I'm confident you do not either, so we can't know what rights God supports.
2. Rights are a man-made invention, and exist within the context of countries, which define the rights of their citizens.
3. The rights of people in Israel are determined by their government and their constitution.
So, the answer to your question is no, as it pertains to non-Israeli citizens.
Not every nation gets a nation state, and those that do aren’t usually free from worry.
This is not about a perfect life, this is about basic rights. Gazga has been a prison camp for years,.
It has been.
They and the USA are going for "Greater Israel" as they see it from the bible that god promised them. Of course the secular part of the USA just uses the Evangelical part to keep a permanent stay and control of the middle East.
Until the US collapses financially nothing much is going to happen except continuous killings in the area.
And why do you think that the USA is going to financially collaspe?
Because…ah, well… just because I said so!
Because indications of it are all over. the roaring Twenties come to mind.
They already do, Jordan
You are a well known propagandist.
Ok buddy
Absolutely right. We will get Jordan, Israel, Lebanon and Syria. The area known as bilad Ash Sham is a historical and modern reality. Two pricks drew some lines on a map over a hundred years ago. Sykes-Picot is dead.
No better than greater israel
Wrong. Much much better.
Israel is an ethno-religious state for one group of people. Islam is universal.
Muslims can offer Jews something no one else can; to live in peace from the Nile to the Euphrates but not as usurpers and not at the expense of the indigenous majority.
I’m afraid on the history of the area of modern Israel, the Muslims are the usurpers having conquered it 1500 years after the Jews lived there in their own sovereign Kingdom. The Jews predate the Muslims in indigeneity. The Muslims arrived in the area in 640 AD when they swept up from the Arabian peninsula and took it by the sword
So a sovereign kingdom of the Jews existed in this area 1500 years before it was conquered by the Muslims and Bilad Al-Sham was created
And they were given many opportunities to have one. Problem is when you want everything you end up with nothing.
Name the last time Palestinians were offered an actual state, one where they control their own borders and police their own people, where they are free to interact with other countries as they wished ( putting aside the indignity of having a “state” on a tiny fraction of the land they originally inhabited).
Ehud Olmert 2008
Greatest assholes in the history of the race.
This shift in word salad (but not facts on the ground) that Palestianians are not in a neighboring country, but are more formally Israelis in an apartheid bantustan, should then come with a screaming that Israel is murdering its own people and R2P dictates the necessity of regime change. That's in the fantasy world in which anyone in DC gets high on their own supply of rhetoric and isn't a simple conscious liar.
Israel gets away with literal murder because they get away with language and definition murder. Either Palestinians are Israelis being murdered by their own government or they're a separate country under occupation, but not neither all of the time.
Just another day in this shithole world, where the murderous abusive thieves and bullies continue to rape the world for their own glory and gain.
Gaza does not belong to "the world". It was part of various nations and empires for millennia.
It was part of the Roman empire. More recently, it was part of the Ottoman empire, then part of the British empire, until the war in 1947. Then, it was claimed by Egypt, then by Israel. Israel formed accords with the Palestinian Authority for the territory, and left Gaza in 2006 (what could go wrong?). Soon afterwards, elections were held that were never finalized; Hamas left the Palestinian Authority and staged a violent coup in Gaza, and has illegally occupied Gaza ever since.
So, under international law, the territory "belongs" to the Palestinian Authority, but they have indicated they do not want to return to Gaza; so, you support a gang of thugs that illegally occupies Gaza, which tortures and murders Palestinians, rules by force without elections, and which kidnaps Americans and tortures/kills them, instead of the US ally that is defending itself.
Suit yourself. I don't see the logic of that.
'Soon afterwards, elections were held that were never finalized'
And why was that?
After Hamas staged a violent coup in Gaza, the PA dismissed the Hamas coalition from the government.
Thus, by local and international law, Hamas is not a legitimate government, and they illegally occupy Gaza, by force.
"so, you support a gang of thugs that illegally occupies Gaza, which tortures and murders Palestinians, rules by force without elections…"
No, I thought you were the one who supported Israel?
Ha ha. I see what you did.
"so, you support a gang of thugs that illegally occupies Gaza, which tortures and murders Palestinians, rules by force without elections…"
No, I thought you were the one who supported Israel?
Children live what they learn…
Live free!…
The only thing sabotaging the hostage deal is Israel not wanting a hostage deal. Could it be more obvious that Israel doesn't fucking care one iota about the hostages remaining any more than the "many" hostages they killed themselves on Oct 7th?
The double speak reveals what's happening behind the curtain. Everyone is depressed over what Israel seems to have accomplished. Behind the bravado and land grab, Israel is in great panic. Yes they delude themselves into thinking they will win. Netanyahu gets to say he is occupying Northern Gaza and is against a Palestinian state to maintain his coalition and lull Israelis into a false sense of security after the catastrophe of Oct. 7th. The Saudis, Emirates and other sellouts disseminate false propaganda that privately they are putting pressure on Israel or Israel has agreed to a Palestinian state but can't say it directly or it will lose face. This is to placate the masses in the Arab world who are seething with anger and on the verge of an explosion.
The same bad actors in America and the Zionist lobby are playing psychological warfare on the western public. The goal is to make you believe Israel won, that it's hopeless.
The reality on the ground can't be farther from the truth. The axis of resistance is going through an adjustment. Those committed to the liberation of Palestine will realign with a growing Muslim resistance taking shape in Syria and across the region.
For example, Jordanians are totally opposed to Israel and Jordan's treaty with Israel. However, they feel that they have no agency, that they can't do anything about the status quo. October 7th has shattered those fears among the youth.
Also, it's time that we start looking inwardly. America is going through a similar phase that Rome went through in its long decline after Marcus Aurelius (180 CE). There will be more upheaval at home with disastrous defeats abroad.
"Jordanians are totally opposed to Israel" They don't act that way. In 1947 Jordan was only interested in capturing the West Bank. Once they did that they stopped attacking the new nation of Israel. Once Jordan lost the West Bank in 1967 war. Jordan shows no interests in trying to win it back by getting involved in the 1973 war.
The king and his small entourage of traitors ,yes. However, "The people want the downfall of Israel". Actually that's a take off on the "Arab Spring" chants of "The people want the downfall of the regime."
Israel by its war of extinction against the Palestinians has brilliantly managed to be more vile and deplorable than those corrupt two bit Arab dictators.
Israelis are destroying their own world around them with their own hands, and with a little help from their friends.
Jordan is only interested in US bribes to continue coming their way. Just like all the others who play nice with Israel. HTS might even get one but first they have to wait for the king of terrorists to get done bombing them with impunity.
The masses in the Arab world are constantly “seething with anger”. It’s because they are fed lies about the Yahud in schools and mosques and they feel hopeless. They are uneducated and poor and their governments feed this hate because they need a scapegoat. The UAE , Bahrain and others realize that they stand to benefit much more from peace with Israel than they do from backing a hopeless and ruthless Palestinian cause. I hear the leadership of the Iranian regime and of Hezbollah turn the massive defeat they have been subjected to into victory. This is the problem of the Arab/Muslim nation. You don’t seem to learn anything. Every defeat brings more and more suffering and humiliation. Stop longing for the caliphate to return. Make peace and accept Israel as a neighbour that’s here to stay. If you don’t, the same will continue. The Palestinians need to grab whatever deal they can make before they are abandoned by everyone but the Houthis
"….as the ant said to the elephant before it was stepped on…"
But seriously.
"The UAE , Bahrain and others realize that they stand to benefit much more from peace with Israel than they do from backing a hopeless and ruthless Palestinian cause."
This sounds like an "Abraham Accords" soundbite that Oct. 7th has relegated to the dustbin of history.
I think you mean that Muslims never give up. You know these "yahud" are a curious lot. They claim a god that the founding fathers of their state don't believe in gave them the land. It defies logic that Arabs who have been roaming the Holy Land since time immemorial and Muslims who have controlled it for a 1000 years won't eventually get it back.
These "yahud" claim to have a 5000+ calendar and they are now returning home. You don't think Palestinians can't wait another 76 years?
Also these "yahud" should beg for the return of the Caliphate as it has protected them over and over again especially when they were being persecuted in Europe for centuries, a reality they never so much as thanked Muslims for.
As for support for Palestine, it's at an all time high. In addition to October 7th, Zionists made this colossal mistake. They told Americans read, investigate then you will understand why we had to slaughter tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians. Unfortunately for them, people did read and did not like what they saw.
I will assume that you are aware of the history. Please give me the same credit. The vast majority of Americans and Europeans who demonstrate on college campuses and march on the streets know very little history beyond what they learn from TikTok and their Marxist professors. When Saudi Arabia comes to the table and I expect it to be soon, I suppose you will have some different story to tell about how out of touch the monarchy is with their subjects. Some Israelis believe that they have a divine “right” to the land. Others do not. But they all recognize that their claim on the land historically, and supported by archaeology, predates that of the Muslims and Arabs. As for the benevolence of the Caliphate, thanks but no thanks. We Jews know that we can count on only ourselves. As certain as you are of your beliefs, because of your religious disposition, I’m quite certain of mine but for different reasons. I think that the Palestinian cause is rapidly losing favour with the Arab and Muslim world. Their greatest patron, Iran, is now in serious jeopardy. And they have Sinwar to thank. So I guess we have to wait and see
Many in the Arab world look to their history, and see Israel as no different than Western influences from the past 2,000 years, from Roman times until the British. Given enough pressure, they always leave. The Byzantine empire was defeated in 635 AD; the Crusader kingdoms were chased out centuries later. The British gave up; they expected the Israelis to collapse in 1947, when they declared war on them.
So, they expect the Israelis will eventually get tired – as many are – and live somewhere else.
But so far, that strategy hasn't worked. But it has only been 76 years – a very short time in the 5,000 year long history of Jerusalem.
TRANSLATION:
“After we murder enough innocent civilians in Gaza, Israel will have security control over Gaza with full freedom to continue to murder innocent Palestinians, just as it did in Judea and Samaria (the West Bank),”
There is no evidence to support that.
Israel left Gaza in 2006 and has not attacked Hamas unless attacked first. In fact, Israel (naively) allowed Hamas to receive billions of dollars in aid from Qatar and other sources, which Hamas used to prepare a vicious attack on innocent civilians in Israel, and Israeli Arabs enjoy good health in Israel.
If you don't look, you won't see.
Gaza is, and has been, an open air prison for decades. Now Gaza is a massive death camp.
Those are bumper stickers.
No, Gaza had every opportunity to develop as any other territory, such as Singapore – into a peaceful and prosperous society. It had a good location, plenty of cash, and an well-educated populace. All they needed to do was one thing: stop killing.
You can see from videos they have modern apartment towers, luxury cars, and state of the art medical equipment, including million-dollar CT and MRI machines. Billions of dollars flowed into the areas, which has beautiful beaches, farms, cultural sites, hospitals, universities, etc.
All that Israel asked was one thing: Don't kill our men, women, children, and babies.
Hamas took millions of dollars and chose violence and war. That's on them.
Israel is not at war with Palestinians in Jordan. It has a peace treaty with Jordan – because Jordanians don't try to murder their people. The same with Egypt (which Israel returned the oil-rich Sinai to), and other Arab nations, including (potentially) Saudi Arabia.
And why did Egypt close their border with Gaza? Because Hamas is part of the Muslim Brotherhood, which is at war with Egypt.
All countries have borders, and the behavior of Hamas showed that keeping a border with Gaza is a good thing.
You can't reasonably invite al country to allow itself to be destroyed.
I'm sorry. You're wholly misinformed.
Actually, I am very well-informed. If not, you could easily refute anything and everything I said. But you can't. You simply repeat bumper stickers without researching the facts. Suit yourself.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israeli-historian-produces-vast-database-war-crimes-gaza
War isn't pretty. That is why peace is preferable.
Hamas should not have started a war by attacking their powerful neighbor. The result was predictable. They should surrender immediately, give up all weapons, and release all hostages.
That seems like a stupid idea. Get the hostages released. Leave Gaza and seal the border. Let the residents of Gaza do what they want. Let Gaza trade via Egypt and the sea. Why be responsible for 2 million plus people who hate you?
Geez, you almost sound normal. Now if you'd just open your eyes a little wider, you'll see that they've been planning this long before Oct 7th.
That 2 million plus people before or after the genocide?
If people really want to know what's happening in the Middle East and world at large, just listen to the "leaders" and then think 180 degrees from what they're claiming or saying! Nations that practice AGGRESSION on other nations ABUSE the laws of the common man! A "ceasefire" to Israel is actually a position to "backstab" other partners in the "ceasefire"! Just take a look at Syria. Syria's only "crime" was to have a "deterrent force" (Hezbollah) within its territories. Based on this line of thinking, the USA's state National Guards are "terrorists"!
For the uninitiated, we already have a 2 state solution.
The 1st state is called Israel, and the 2nd one is what most people call "Jordan."
Being uninitiated is your way, propagandist. You love all neocon wars.
Nonsense, Jordan has no obligation to take anyone, just because the zionists expelled them from their own land.
Jordsan is the 2nd state. Palestine is a fake invention
Jordon annexed the West Bank in 1950. Jordon lost the West Bank to Israel in the 1967 war. Now Jordon has no interests in the West Bank and Jordon does not want the Palestinians in their country.
Don't worry the Palestinians will get both where they are a majority.
Ok kid
Actually, you're lucky I am not a kid. I am quite mellow. You don't want to see the rage of youth all around the world and what's in store for the future. Consider me as a kind of life coach who cares about your well being.
Ok teen
Teen is the Arabic word for fig. It has a lot of symbolism for the region, as in "fig leaf." In this case to cover the nakedness of your arguments and the poor manners of your personality.
Argue points that are serious without deteriorating into ad hominem attacks It's a sign that your losing an argument. And the audience you are trying to convince of your position will vote you down.
I am right, you are wrong. I am not here for upvotes, i dont care
The USA and Israel are governed by brutally insane war criminals, look at Netanyahu and Biden, they are not normal but extremely evil people, how could Hamas trust them? They would have to be crazy, Katz tells the real Israeli intentions. He knows, he can tell the truth with impunity.
Need more lebensraum for more settlements.