Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday suggested Russia could strike “decision-making centers” in Ukraine with its new Oreshnik missile as a potential response to Ukraine firing US and British missiles into Russian territory.
“The Defense Ministry and the General Staff of the Russian Army are currently selecting targets to strike on the territory of Ukraine,” Putin said at a Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) meeting in Kazakhstan, according to TASS.
In response to two recent Ukrainian attacks on Russian territory that used the US-provided Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS), which have a range of up to 190 miles, the Russian Defense Ministry said it was preparing retaliation.
“These targets may include military facilities, defense industry enterprises, or decision-making centers in Kiev,” Putin said.
The Oreshnik is a new intermediate-range hypersonic ballistic missile that is capable of being armed with nuclear warheads. Russia fired an Oreshnik missile into Ukraine on November 21 in response to US ATACMS and British Storm Shadow missiles being fired into Russian territory for the first time.
Ukrainian officials said the Oreshnik was likely not carrying any explosives since it didn’t do any significant damage. Putin said on Thursday that Russia has started the serial production of the new missile.
When he announced the first Oreshnik launch on November 21, Putin also warned that he believes Russia has the right to strike the military facilities of countries supplying missiles to Ukraine that are hitting Russian territory.
“We consider ourselves entitled to use our weapons against the military facilities of those countries that allow their weapons to be used against our facilities,” Putin said. “If anyone else doubts this, then they are wrong – there will always be a response.”
So, who among the leaders of NATOstan are listening? …crickets…
“Don’t think twice, it’s alright.”
Russia will not hit decision making centers, which it could have done from day one of this war it calls a special operation.
When push comes to shove, he would…!
Fair bet netman, as per usual, we can yield toward your wisdom.
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President Putin said decision centers could be hit. My impression is many if not most Russians believe Kyiv and Kharkov are cities too beautiful to bomb.
As beautiful as the Ministry of Oil building in Baghdad, tho ? THAT was gorgeous enough architecture to be spared "Shock & Awe".
USers have no morals or appreciation.
I think the Russian Federation held back because the decision centers (the alleged ones in Ukraine) are well removed from the actual areas of combat (in the west of thr country) and the RF has sought to limit its destructiveness primarily to combat areas in the east.
”How many roads must a man walk down, before you can call him a man?… The answer my friend is blowing in the wind! The answer is blowing in the wind!…”
…or dust in the wind…!
"YOU'RE MY BOY, BLUE !"
Can't help it. Frickin' "Old School" (2003).
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Notice the word CAN in the statement above which is the sign of Restraint…! Putin is most likely the most intelligent state leader of our time. One can observe his total leadership in Peace as well as in War times…!
Putin is a thug.
Yeah, he and Biden are certainly on a par there. Just ask any Palestinian 7-year old.
I wasn't comparing him to Biden.
He sure beats Donald Trump, Joe Biden, George Bush, Bill Clinton and any past US presidents to the ground clean in criminality…!
I didn't say he wasn't better than our thugs. I just hate the way he is revered around here. He'd be a moderate republican in the US. I don't like them either.
Then, which leader do you like…?!
I was always a fan of Nigeria's Goodluck Johnathan. Great name, winning smile.
I would be fan of a leader who would prevent a nuclear catastrophe as much as possible… Biden and most likely Trump don't fit in that catagory…!
So we can say you would not be a fan of Putin because he is the one making nuclear threats and shooting ballistic missiles.
The Russians aren't the only ones shooting ballistic missiles.
The MGM-140 Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) is a supersonic tactical ballistic missile ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATACMS )
As to what a ballistic missile is: "A ballistic missile (BM) is a type of missile that uses projectile motion to deliver warheads on a target. These weapons are powered only during relatively brief periods—most of the flight is unpowered." ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_missile )
the russians.. arent the ones… shooting [balistic] milles
our ukrainian brothers would beg to differ
Your Ukrainian brothers would be wrong or liars. Even a bullet qualifies as a ballistic missile.
how so
He said the "only" ones.
fun name!
None.
I admire the way Putin has conducted foreign policy, which is the only thing that matters about him to me. No western leader comes close to him. You can call him a thug, but I'll let Russians decide. It's none of my business, and frankly I couldn't care less. From everything I've heard from people who live in Russia and people who have visited Russia, Putin's popularity in Russia is for real, and Russia is in much better shape now than it was when Vladimir Putin first became Russia's president.
And I think he conducts foreign policy better than any western leader too. But that doesn't mean he isn't a thug. That just means western leaders are more thuggish. And I also could care less what Russians think of him.
My point was that he's not our president, and even if he is a thug it's not our problem. If he is a thug and deserves to be removed, something that I'm not convinced is true, then it's up to the Russians to remove him.
I was just giving my opinion of the man. And I did so because of the adulation that he gets from some of the people who comment here. He's like one of my redneck uncles when I was growing up.
Sorry, Wars, I have to get this in, just the fact that so many of our government officials and mainstream media pundits call Putin a thug is enough for me to think that he probably isn't. I'm at the point where if they said that the sun was going to come up in the east tomorrow morning I'd doubt it.
You're right. But I didn't call him a thug because of what our MSM says about him.
Well said.
You have to be kidding. Putin is a fool. Russia should have destroyed all decision making centers on the first day. There is no good reason to show restraint.
“There is no good reason to show restraint “
Oh yes there is… nuclear catastrophe…! As I said before…!
All Russian restraint does is cause more NATO aggression. The only reason NATO escalates is because they think there won’t be a Russian response. The only language NATO understands is force. And I don’t see how destroying decision making centers brings us closer to nuclear war. Russia hit other military targets in Ukraine, killing NATO personnel, according to Russia. And there was no threat of nuclear war.
Destroying decision making centers does not bring us closer to nuclear war because of Oreshnik missile Russia created…! It seems Russia would go back to its original nuclear policy in which, at least in practice, only retaliates with nukes if attacked by nukes from US or other nuclear powers all thanks to the new Oreshnik which cannot be intercepted…!
ok
we all have opinions
some are just… incorrect
The incorrect ones are the result of misinformation mostly from the western mainstream media or the childhood communist propaganda brainwashing…!
Or he “can” just shut up about and just do it and save us the PR campaign.
It’s not a PR when it comes to a conventional weapon with the caliber of a nuclear weapon…!
Zelensky and his illegal regime are hiding in deep bunkers like the rats that they are. You can run but you cannot hide from hazel.
They better hide or else they turn into dust in 4000 degree C heat…!
Hazel with added explosives can reach deep bunkers.
Dying without being dusted…!
"Ukrainian officials said the Oreshnik was likely not carrying any explosives since it didn’t do any significant damage."
In fact, according to residents in the area, the plant was totally demolished. One square mile of facility "reduced to dust" (which is probably an exaggeration, but not by much.)
Look for the Aegis Ashore installations in Poland and Romania to get the same treatment at some point, if not immediately.
The British "Sky News" reports a Zelensky cease-fire proposal so weird that it might be a hoax.
Nevertheless here it is. One: Russia can transiently keep its troops everywhere in Ukraine as defined by current front lines (presumably on the day when a cease-fire agreement is reached). Hence Putin can keep Crimea occupied. For the time being.
Two: Ukraine becomes a NATO member.
Three: No Russian-occupied Ukrainian territory ever becomes Russian territory but remains part of foreign-occupied Ukraine, and that seems to include Crimea. Those Russian-occupied territories must eventually and presumably peaceably return to full Ukrainian sovereignty.
In other words: Ultimately Ukraine becomes a NATO member and Putin gets nothing.
Weird.
Is Zelensky feeding ideas to Trump who has promised to stop the fighting and bombing?
Zelensky is deluded.
https://johnhelmer.net/putin-announces-retaliation-strikes-against-americans-french-and-electric-grid-targets-oreshnik-saved-for-a-rainy-day/
Russian President Vladimir Putin will know within ten minutes whether President Trump and Keith Kellogg are capable, forthright negotiators. If not, it's all downhill.
Would Russia strike British, American, and French forces in Africa? To attack them on European soil might be more politically incendiary for Starmer and Macron.
That's really the million dollar (or megaton) question – what will the Russian Federation see from Trump ?
I'd have to guess that America's Final President will swagger into talks demanding everything he (not Ukraine) wants and ceding whatever he (not Kiev) doesn't value.
Then come the permutations. The RF says yes but Ukraine says no ? How does Trump enforce a flipped-script on Kiev ?
The RF says no ? Then does Trump escalate support to Ukraine or counter-offer (and appear "weak" by seeking compromise?).
Both RF and Ukraine say no, thus sidelining the US as lead-negotiator ? After one offer does Trump say "eff it, I tried" and dump US / NATO support for Ukraine?
It seems Trump has far more to gain from supporting the ASI against Gaza and Lebanon, than ANY US-connected resolution in Ukraine.
Good points. Trump can't fathom anyone saying "no" to him. But that's what happens when you have 30 million cult members.
Well, at least the recent election gives an exact number by way of Popular Vote.
My estimate is 30 million cult members voted for Trump and the rest just went for him because he was the lesser of two piles of shit. While Harris had 0 cult member votes, 3o million "D" votes and the rest went for her because she wasn't Trump.
Can you tell us the meaning of this song?
I'm sure you won't because you don't know.
"…Putin on Thursday suggested Russia could strike “decision-making centers” in Washington DC, London, Paris, and Brussels."
That would be more accurate.
Accurate will be the Western response to any Putin's nuclear attack. And if you are typing from Moscow, I feel sorry for you.
You should be asking for Putin to pull out of Ukraine instead of spewing Kremlin propaganda here.
"You should be asking for Putin to pull out of Ukraine instead of spewing Kremlin propaganda here."
Have you read this yet?
A History of Humiliation
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/11/26/joe-lauria-a-history-of-humiliation/
Maybe you should be asking yourself why JFK said this:
“Above all, while defending our own vital interests, nuclear powers must avert those confrontations which bring an adversary to a choice of either a humiliating retreat or a nuclear war. To adopt that kind of course in the nuclear age would be evidence only of the bankruptcy of our policy — or of a collective death-wish for the world.”
Ok, I read your response but don't you have one for the warmonger, Uncle Sapien?
Or do you only rebuttal Ukraine supporters?
I read Uncle Sapien's comment to be about who is making decisions for Ukraine and not him condoning an attack. So there was nothing to rebut. I've read enough of his comments to know that he is not a "warmonger".
And you aren't a Ukraine "supporter". You're the opposite. Your wishful thinking that Ukraine can win a war of attrition against Russia is just that, wishful thinking. And all that means is more dead Ukrainians and more destroyed infrastructure.
Sure.
Sure what?
If I was in Moscow my odds of surviving nuclear exchange would be far better. The Russian Federation has been prepping for civil defense a long time now. More of them will survive than us.
Point of fact, I’m Canadian and live, if not in sight of Vancouver BC, then definitely in sight of the mushroom cloud it’ll earn as Canada’s (NATO) largest west coast port and one of the largest on North America’s Pacific coast. I doubt we’ll have eyes on Seattle’s fireball. Maybe reflected off Mt. Baker ?
As usual, Putin makes nuclear threats and its cheerleaders come here blazing.
They blame the West and Ukraine (the country Putin invaded) while condoning Putin's rhetoric.
This is when you realize posters here aren't just ordinary posters but Russian trolls.
Well expected. Nothing new.
A a Zelensky shill, I hope you're not getting paid in hryvnia. Considering the quality of work, you're overpaid.
Well better to be paid in hryvnia than in rubles like you – but considering bringing up the currency in a month where the ruble has lost over 8.8% to the dollar (7.3% to the yuan), you're overpaid, I guess.
https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=RUB&to=USD&view=1M
https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=RUB&to=CNY&view=1M
I serve the truth, gratis. It is terribly annoying for people like you when the Russian position coincides with the truth. Time you faced reality,
Haha, the Russian war supporters like you are desperate.
It does not annoy me in the least, especially when the way you serve the ‘Pravda’, brings attention to how Russia is failing!
Lol.
I'm getting paid with the satisfaction that dictator Putin is not getting his way in Ukraine. His personal war in Ukraine is taking its toll on him.
Another example of you not giving a shit about the Ukrainians. You get satisfaction out of Ukrainians dying and their land being destroyed because the war is taking its toll on Putin? Damn you're sick.
Very little insight in article about US/NATO active participation in firing missles into Russian territory.
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💥 A train carrying ATACMS and Storm Shadow missiles was hit near the port of Chornomorsk in Ukraine
NATO missiles arrived from Romania, the pro-Russian underground reported
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pro-russian undergroud?
oreshnik is way overblown my god
Putin is an animal
Pure and simple
Oreshnik arrives as a MIRV vehicle with a dispenser (Bus) sending about 36 heavy projectiles into an area with pinpoint accuracy.
The projectiles arrive at Mach 10 and are heated by atmospheric friction to 4,000 deg C.
So, let's do simple math: F=MA. Force equals Mass times Accelerations.
Is it any wonder the first Oreshnik took out a one square mile factory including the underground facilities?
This is a game changer. Just as iron supplanted bronze, guns supplanted hand weapons, nuclear weapons supplanted conventional bombs Hypersonic Glide Weapons are supplanting nuclear weapons.
Few US hinterland residents expect the Potomac River to be informally changed to the Denial Estuary by January 20.
What seems patently clear to State and Pentagon employees 'multitasking' from home are America's vulnerabilities to Russia's missile arsenal. There's little need for random and prominent US employees to go public as the pink slips for many will be delivered early next year.
Will Washington think tanks perpetually flush with government and private funds hire new employees? Add it to the list Joni, Elon, and Vivek.