Update 11/19/24 at 9:28 am EST: Russia said on Tuesday that Ukraine fired six US-provided ATACM missiles into Russia’s Bryansk Oblast, and Russian President Vladimir Putin officially updated Russia’s nuclear doctrine
In response to reports of President Biden authorizing long-range Ukrainian strikes inside Russia with US missiles, the Kremlin pointed to a warning previously made by Russian President Vladimir Putin.
In September, Putin was asked about the possibility of NATO supporting long-range strikes on Russian territory and said it would mean the US and European NATO countries were “at war with Russia.” He added that if that’s “the case, then taking into account the change of nature of the conflict, we will take the appropriate decisions based on the threats that we will face.”
The New York Times and several other media outlets reported on Sunday that Biden gave Ukraine the greenlight to use US-provided Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS), which have a range of up to 190 miles, in strikes on Russia. ATACMS are fired by US-provided HIMARS rocket systems, which require intelligence from the US to be fired, which means the US will be directly supporting strikes deep inside Russia.
So far, the reports haven’t been officially confirmed by the US or Ukraine, but Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky hinted in his nightly address on Sunday that the missile strikes could start soon.
“Today, there’s a lot of talk in the media about us receiving permission for respective actions,” Zelensky said. “But strikes are not carried out with words. Such things are not announced. Missiles will speak for themselves. They certainly will.”
In his response on Monday, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said if the reports are true, it would mean “a qualitatively new round of escalation of tensions and a qualitatively new situation in terms of the involvement of the United States in this conflict.”
In other comments, Peskov said the escalation means more Western involvement in the war because “targeting, other maintenance is not done by Ukrainian servicemen, it is done by military specialists from these very Western countries.”
Other reports have said that the UK and France will allow Ukraine to use Storm Shadow/SCALP missiles, which have a range of 155 miles, in strikes on Russia. Earlier this year, a German military leak revealed that British soldiers are “on the ground” in Ukraine helping Ukrainian forces fire the Storm Shadow missiles.
The Telegraph recently reported that British Prime Minister Keir Starmer and French President Emmanuel Macron were plotting to hamper the incoming Trump administration’s ability to wind down US support for the Ukraine proxy war. The report said they planned to pressure Biden to sign off on the long-range strikes.
The US media reports said Biden’s decision to authorize the long-range strikes was a response to North Korean troops allegedly entering the fighting against the invading Ukrainian force in Russia’s Kursk Oblast, a claim that hasn’t been confirmed by Moscow. US officials said the strikes are expected to be focused in Kursk but could also expand to other areas in Russia.
Putin has also made clear that US-supported long-range strikes in Russia risk nuclear war by ordering changes to Russia’s nuclear doctrine. Under the new doctrine, an attack on Russia by a non-nuclear armed state that was supported by a nuclear power will be considered a joint attack.
The current administration is going all out to start WWIII because it hates Donald Trump THAT much. We can all likely kiss our asses goodby thanks to this petulant reality-blind teenage acting out.
How do you know it wasn't Trump who joined Biden in this decision? An understanding could have been reached behind the closed doors a couple of days ago. And Trump as far as I know hasn't reacted at all yet. It could be the Trumpster actually believes that "peace through strength" bullshite that is currently being circlejerked by all the usual suspects of the club of propaganda bukkake enthusiasts. I mean it's not like he lacks the stupid.
It is a good point. It could be either way we flip the cards, we lose.
Yes, one would expect an all-caps tirade if the Don were actually against Biden doing this. The Don Jr. said something about it which I found rather humorous since daddy nominated some Russian hawks to be in his cabinet. But they just want to escalate to deescalate (/s). Must be part of that "peace through strength" bullshit you mentioned.
I don't see collusion between Trump and Biden as likely or plausible. The Dems HAVE to know that Trump is going to be on a vendetta for his first 90 days, first stocking the DoJ with loyalists and then persecuting everyone who prosecuted him (GISS Army toadies will see it as "prosecuting everyone who persecuted him").
As such, the worse they poison the wells, the further and deeper down his enemies list Emperor Trump travels.
80 year old teenager … but remember, the adults are in charge …
That claim didn't age well. LOL
I agree with you and surprised that someone already labeled as not fit to be President is leading us into WWIII.
Which one?
LOL. The one currently leading us into WWIII. But if he doesn't succeed, the next one will. Regardless, it's a stupid comment because we're already in WWIII.
I almost feel like the Dems took a dive for Trump to play the heavy.
He hasn’t come out with any objections on the long range missiles.
It's called going out with a BANG!
Kinda exactly that, yes. Why is there no accountability ? Virtually every business out there, if you're fired or laid off you're effing ESCORTED off the premises right then & there – not given TWO MONTHS to hang out and loot the supply room and tamper with all the Google Docs and honk off all the clients. Astounding.
The moronic creeps running this failed state are making a huge mistake. Just because their word is not worth squat they think that Putin from a country that was pretty much destroyed by Hitler will let this happen again.Israel has the Samson Option. If Russia is going to get attacked by US or Nato weapons Europe will feel the pain and so will the most of the US. This is a new level of brinkmanship and insanity.
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FAFO!
Putin: "we will take the appropriate decisions based on the threats that we will face.”
Exactly what I said before. This is NOT a "declaration of WWIII" despite what Scott Ritter thinks.
Scott Ritter's rhetoric and hyperbole is overbearing. We all know Russia will win this, but not using nuclear ordnance.
Tactical nukes may be in the equation, but a long way down the road if Ukraine really starts playing stupid and hitting nuclear generating stations within Russia. Putin will always react and I hope the Empire realizes this. Russia patiently warned the Empire regarding NATO expansion for many years and we see the results.
The Empire tried this in Italy and Turkey which escalated to the Cuban Missile Crisis. So, if they didn't like it on their doorstep, why should Russia?
If the long range missiles are used, significant targets in both Kiev and Odesa, targets that Russia avoided in the past, will be picked off one at a time. Not to mention widespread destruction of energy infrastructure. The eastern front is creeping westward every day and the Kursk boondoggle will end miserably.
The Empire's Ukrainian experiment has failed. Zelensky is still saying whatever the hand up his a$$ dictates and is leading his country into further ruin.
Count your money and fold; you have no more cards to play.
The leaders of this disaster waiting to happen both don't hear or listen to what Putin is saying. All they can see are their own objectives that may or may not include Siberia and the riches within.
Hubris prevents foresight in an evolving multi-polar world and an Empire in decline.
Siberia and the riches within aren't considered because the Empire knows they can't and never will be able to have, and control those resources. Especially at market prices, and more importantly, what currency they be traded in.
Unless Putin continues to show restraint this will possibly end life on our little planet
I disagree. After such hostility toward a country, have you ever seen the Neocons not follow up? It may take them months, years or decades, but they always deliver. WWIII already started. There is no way possible out of a nuclear war, my friend. I hate the fact that it's happening and wish I'm wrong.
Two reasons why I think nukes are on the table:
1 – The simplistic reason that they exist and Russia is competent in the area, reason enough to worry
but
2 – There's no sign that the US/West has a viable color revolution partner in Russia. It's not as if 55% of the population leans Putin and 45% wants some Bretton Woods/NATO puppet. There's over 60% of the population who if they bother vote Putin, about 15% of Russia goes with one of (IIRC) two feuding communist parties, one far more popular, and no partner of the West in fact they've been backing Putin in Ukraine. You have maybe – maybe – 5% of the population who'd like to go back to being Yeltsin era vassals, presumably mostly in anticipation of personal gain. Among the remainder are very small elements of Russian chauvinists who think Putin is too much of a wimp and want Finland back.
In order for US/NATO to remake Russia in an acceptable image, Russian cities would need the Gaza treatment. Estimates of USSR losses, mostly Russian, in WWII are 20-40 million depending on source. That's a group trauma they aren't going through again and I don't blame them. Pushed to the wall by a bully I think they're willing to go nuke, be Russian or be dead but not be Gaza or vassals again.
You have penned a very thoughtful and intelligent reply. You certainly will not see such a comment in the NYT, Wapo or Cnn.
I read Scott Ritter,Doug McGregor,Ray McGovern and Richard Sachs everyday on You tube Richard Wolff makes a lot sense. My Mother in Law used to say "your accent is on the wrong syllable" That applies now to the idiots and morons spouting nonsense and stupidity to further keep this failed Capitalistic State alive.
Richard, I finally listened to Ritter on JD last night and holy moly, he is a nonstop motormouth. I had to give up at about a half hour.
He can be overbearing and sometimes a little boring. But I believe most of what he says and believe he knows what he is talkin about.
At the very least we can appreciate him for his honesty about no WMDs.
Scott is sincere but having difficulty with his rant–alternating between sounding calm and raving.
Andrei Martyanov on this:
Let us all hope that Russia leaves the punishment toconventional arms. The US will not.
You are misjudging Russia, because Russia is not only operating in Ukraine, but also in the Caucasus and is splitting Abkhazia and South Ossetia from Georgia.
https://tass.com/politics/1874437 Putin approves Russia’s revised nuclear doctrine
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/75588 Telephone conversation with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz
https://www.c-r.org/programme/caucasus/georgian-abkhaz-conflict-focus
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crr91px4nlqo Abkhazia: Leader of Georgia breakaway region resigns
https://oc-media.org/russia-calls-for-demarcation-of-georgia-abkhazia-and-georgia-south-ossetia-borders/
So what?
Why should the U.S. be so concerned about Eastern Europe – either its political organization or its economic strength.
Enough with these Eastern Europe obsessions!
Please relate these sentiments to your congressman.
I have (to one of my senators).
Here is the concluding part of his response:
<blockquote>I continue to implore my colleagues to look beyond political considerations, to consider the decades-long ramifications of allowing Vladimir Putin to prevail in his annexation of Ukraine and his goal of exporting his ruthless authoritarian ideology beyond Russia.
Walking away now would be a mistake of historic proportions.
Two years in, it is my most fervent hope that we get this crucial aid package done so Ukraine can continue
<b>their fight for democracy over autocracy</b>,
and preserve the path to a peaceful resolution of this conflict that will maintain Ukraine’s sovereignty.
…
I will continue working to ensure that Ukraine has the diplomatic, security, and intelligence backing that they so critically need.</blockquote>
I have omitted his identifying information, but will note that he is a senior Democratic senator.
They should just make this into a meme.
Tell us who he is. Expose the bastard.
Alastair Crooke on the Judge yesterday morning (Nov 18) is very interesting suggesting the fixation on continuing the Ukraine war involves vast investments from corporations like Black Rock, the oil companies, and the re-building companies, plus agriculture, so this senior bozo's usual BS shrouded in tones of piety is all the more sickening. Alastair also reports Israel is ecstatic over Trump and his cabinet picks, including their certainty that war with Iran is coming right up, which they are convinced victory will be easy.
Not an obsession, but a reality:
https://tass.com/defense/1859949 Russia’s Ufa submarine heads from Baltic Sea to Pacific — Russian Defense Ministry
https://tass.com/defense/1701939 Russian submarine completes ballistic missile test firing
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00963402.2024.2314437 Russian nuclear weapons, 2024
Russia has just placed 95% of their strategic nuclear armed missiles on high alert.
I have been worried about the damage the insane current occupants of the White House might vindictively do in their last 2 and a half months holding power! Start World War Three or bankrupt America?
Could be both.
Our cities can't repel firepower of that magnitude !
Betting on either is a winning proposition.The only question is what comes first. Both seem to be inevitable
IMV Biden's actions are beyond doing what he's been told to do and are personally venomous aimed at the "crazy SOB," "the killer," "the thug" Putin, plus as a last show of "toughness" as revenge for being shown to be incompetent, weak, and kicked out of the presidency.
He did order shooting down the alleged Chinese spy balloon over Lake Huron that was first seen 'hovering' over Montana….lol. Later determined not Chinese, nor spy/intelligence gathering.
Actually they needed 2 missiles since the pilot had a hard time dispatching a basically stationary target mid-air. That overall mission cost probably ~ $1,000,000 USD for 2 missiles, pilot's timesheet and gas for the plane.
Not bad.
Wish I could get in on that kind of business. Although I could have done it for way cheaper and less national embarrassment. Thing is, I wouldn't have generated as much revenue for the MIC.
I think you're right. Can't ever leave the MIC consideration out of it. What a "piece of work" goes into leadership!
Two points. One, had totally forgotten the DPRC Balloon Squadrons, glad you brought that up !
And two – in recalling those incidents, I'm forced to wonder aloud why US Navy pilots who keep encountering UAP's and tracking them for significant amounts of time, don't shoot them down. Why not ?
You either recover alien tech, advanced foreign tech, advanced private tech, or your own s**t you didn't know your side had (and shouldn't have tested where it could be seen). Wins all around.
And if there's a Real Good Reason they don't (and again, the balloons themselves weren't completely identified when fired upon) then it really suggests someone in charge DOES know what UAP's are.
"And two – in recalling those incidents, I'm forced to wonder aloud why US Navy pilots who keep encountering UAP's and tracking them for significant amounts of time, don't shoot them down. Why not ?"
I imagine it's the cost since the Sidewinder option is about $400K a pop, that's if you hit the target in one shot. At the time, Sleepy Joe needed a PR stunt to 'baffle them with bull$hit' because there was no way he could 'dazzle them with brilliance.'
But he did get to proclaim on national TV that he personally ordered it to be shot down. So awesome!
And to underline my point, I don't think any country would have any sort of proprietary/sensitive data on a UAP. If it did, and it went astray/off-course, I'm sure there would be some sort of self-destruct or data wipe sequence. In essence, they are useless from an intelligence POV.
I’d imagine the MIC encourages free usage of consumable armaments – much the way the Alka-Seltzer ad campaign “Plop Plop Fizz Fizz” encouraged the use of two tablets when the actual recommended dose was just one. Use more product, buy more product more often !
As to UAP’s … given what they’ve been seen doing, they ARE the proprietary/sensitive data !
To clarify, my last point was that if there is data stored on board that would be transmitted back to country of origin, it would be wiped prior to any country getting a hold of it. If data is recoverable, someone is not doing their job, unless it was meant to be found.
To clarify MY point, it doesn’t matter if the UAP / USO carries data on board. The fact one can easily hover, accelerate, vanish, with no means of propulsion, travel at great speed underwater, shift between flying and submerged with ease – THAT is the most valuable part. How it does what it does.
Send an iPhone 15 back to 1948. It does not matter if the phone’s owner cleared their m.f.-ing browsing history…it’s an iPhone 15 in nineteen f**king forty-eight !!! The engineering value alone !!!
Last clarification – I was just talking about the weather balloons and data.
W.r.t. UAPs, I wasn’t directing the data comment, or any other, towards them. Never really read up or studied on them, so I have no clue. I do understand your point.
Following Biden into WWIII is not following "DEMOCRACY." It's the ultimate proof that Einstein was correct when he revealed his math about Human stupidity.
Albert Einstein — 'Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.'
My hunch: also another issue for Ukraine on the table for negotiations. "Ukraine will also decommission these arms".
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Actually it could play right INTO Donald's hands–if a resolution is found, that is. What a hero Donald would be in his own eyes, at least. Then again his ideas for the solution are currently short of insight and reality so this thing could grind on forever.
Rep. Thomas Massie says Biden green-lighting a long-range missile strike on Russia is an unconstitutional Act of War and an impeachable offense. Speaker Johnson where the hell are you?
Remember when Speaker Johnson had that intelligence briefing and came away saying that he had seen the light regarding arming Ukraine? That Speaker Johnson?
How Johnson and Biden locked arms on Ukraine
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/18/biden-johnson-ukraine-aid-00153237
The constitution is a psyop. Wake up.
Trump landslide proves you wrong.
An EXCELLENT observation.
Thanks to Congressman Massie for recognizing, and pointing out, reality.
Thomas Massie @RepThomasMassie
"Emasculated puppet" is deeply ironic given Biden's snarling tendencies. Very interesting comment from Massie.
The constitution "means exactly what I say it means, nothing more, nothing less."
Turning into a piece of toilet paper they wipe their a$$es with.
How come i keep watching 'Dr. Strangelove' and 'Planet of the
Apes' over and over and over and over and over and uhm, over and over…And the same cat walks in front of me over and over and over etc…
We must conserve our vital bodily fluids. You bastards you blew it all up. Two of the better lines from two great movies.
Troy :
I hate every ape I see.
From chimpan-a to chimpan-z,
No, you'll never make a monkey out of me.
Oh, my God, I was wrong,
It was Earth all along.
You finally made a monkey…
Apes:
Yes we finally made a monkey…
Troy and Apes:
Yes, you finally made a monkey out of me!
Troy:
I love you, Dr. Zaius !!
LOL!
https://media3.giphy.com/media/3og0IuE1EjI5ZQzr3i/giphy-downsized-small.mp4
Setting aside Iron Maiden's rosy prediction of "2 Minutes To Midnight", the Doomsday Clock HAS to be at 10 seconds to midnight at this point.
Is this a legitimate strategy in American politics ? Geopolitical 'scorched earth' from the outgoing Administration that only punishes average citizens anyway ??
Collectively, they are a bunch of fuc*ing idiots that are still swinging on their way down.
Another sick and failed experiment.
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Love the Maiden reference! Saw them in 2023. Powerslave was an amazing album.
Putin says NATO is at war with Russia.
Well, the Kremlin and its followers have been saying that for almost three years. Same empty rhetoric. Nothing to see here.
No invasion, no war.
When the cold war ended all those NATO countries currently snuggled up to Russia's borders were already there, right? And they've been talking about it much longer than 3 years, so it goes back further than being able to explain it away with "no invasion, no war".
February 1, 2008. US Ambassador to Russia William Burns sends a confidential cable to U.S. National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, entitled “Nyet means Nyet: Russia’s NATO Enlargement Redlines,” emphasizing that “Ukraine and Georgia’s NATO aspirations not only touch a raw nerve in Russia, they engender serious concerns about the consequences for stability in the region.”
https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/how-us-managed-and-mismanaged-russia-superstar-diplomat-tells-his-story#:~:text=Newly%20declassified%20documents%20include%20a%20February%202008%20memo,other%20forms%20
Ugliest manifestation of a presidency in my lifetime, bar none. Richard Nixon was a saint by comparison. The Biden team is dirt, in my view, and our Congress is infested with traitors to the word and spirit of the Constitution.
End of the Empire.
NATO better back off this situation…
Hi Donna ,its been a while. I am glad that you are still fighting the good fight.
Ukraine reportedly uses US long-range missile for first time to blow up Russian weapons facility
https://nypost.com/2024/11/19/world-news/ukraine-allegedly-fires-first-us-supplied-long-range-missile-strike-into-russia-report/
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/war/sweden-finland-warn-prepare-for-war/
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/war/advice-to-rfk-and-trump-they-will-not-listen-anyway/
The WEF, Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates, the WHO, Tony Fauci, and mass global depopulation come to mind.
Does Russia know the number of ATACMS and JASSAM missiles in US, European, and Ukrainian inventories?
US and NATO military units may react defensively when encountering the Russian MoD.