On Thursday, a report published by a special UN committee said Israel’s actions in Gaza are “consistent with the characteristics of genocide,” while Human Rights Watch released a report saying Israel was committing war crimes and ethnic cleansing.
The UN report, released by the UN Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices, said Israel has used “criminal means” to achieve its military goals, including the use of starvation as a weapon.
“This included intentionally causing death, starvation, great suffering, and serious injury, using starvation as a method of warfare, and intentionally directing attacks against civilians,” the report reads.
The committee, which was formed in 1968, also discussed the occupied West Bank, where it said Israel has an “apartheid system of injustice.” The report said the “killing of and serious bodily or mental harm caused to Palestinians in Gaza and the occupied West Bank, including East Jerusalem, are violations under international law.”
The HRW report focused on Israel’s forcible displacement of Palestinians in Gaza. “Israeli authorities have caused massive, deliberate forced displacement of Palestinian civilians in Gaza since October 2023 and are responsible for war crimes and crimes against humanity,” HRW said. “There is no plausible imperative military reason to justify Israel’s mass displacement of nearly all of Gaza’s population, often multiple times.”
In response to the reports, the US again denied Israel was committing genocide. Referring to the genocide label, State Department spokesman Vedant Patel said, “That is something we would unequivocally disagree with. We think that kind of phrasing and those kinds of accusations are certainly unfounded, as it relates to the humanitarian situation.”
When asked about the HRW report, Patel claimed that the US has not seen “forced displacement” in Gaza and said it would be a redline for Secretary of State Antony Blinken. His denial comes as Israeli forces are carrying out an ethnic cleansing campaign in northern Gaza, a reality that’s been acknowledged by Israeli media.
Israeli troops are forcing Palestinian civilians to leave the northern cities of Jabalia, Beit Lahia, and Beit Hanoun under the threat of death, whether by shooting or starvation. Haaretz reported that Israeli forces are destroying all the homes in the areas they are cleansing so Palestinians have no place to return.
Patel’s comments follow the Biden administration’s pattern over the past year of denying the reality on the ground in Gaza to ensure US weapons continue to flow to Israel.
Hello? (Hello, hello, hello)
Is there anybody in there?
Just nod if you can hear me
Is there anyone home?
Come on (Come on. come on). now
Always a Pink Floyd tune for the occasion.
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It doesn’t exactly fit, but it came to mind. Roger has been a champion of the cause.
Pretty damned close to "exactly".
I think the song referred to someone in pain against the machine. Not the malignant machine.
“I have become comfortably numb”
We have such wonderful folks here, including YOU ED!!!
You’ll say anything for an upvote.
Yes, but the lyrics can be used in Patel's case too.
"Hey you, White House
Ha, ha, charade you are."
“Running before time took our dreams away.
Leaving the myriad small creatures trying to tie us to the ground.”
The version of Comfortably Numb that opened Waters' "This Is Not A Drill" tour was f**king AMAZING.
I’ve never seen him in concert. I have become more acquainted with him since he makes the rounds on interviews for Gaza.
You have to ask if the roles of the Palestinians and the Israeli were reversed, how unequivocal that disagreement about the genocide label would remain under this symmetric reversal.
I refuse to pretend anyone, anywhere on this planet could entertain the least amount of doubt as to what the correct answer entails if at least they chose not to embarass themselves to the same extent these US spokesclowns are prepared to.
One is a “moral genocide” somehow.
Yes, I imagine that particular point would be vehemently agreed upon at the Wannsee conference.
I'm pretty sure that Adolf and his followers always denied to be involved with any genocide, holocaust or war crimes whatsoever.
How much is one paid to become this soulless?
Don’t ask me, I don’t think they could ever pay me enough. But there is that other kind of people, the kind of people that in a violent argument may yell: “this shirt is worth much more than you” (even if you didn’t touch their shirt yet), who are that soul-less to begin with, people who only care about their own selfish psychopathic and ultra-materialist desires and would stop at nothing to get them satisfied, unless it’s dire danger for themselves (such as credible threat of punishment). That’s the kind of people that Capitalism and the previous Landownerist-Warlordist-Patriarchal systems pamper as their preferred leaders. That’s why eco-communism is ultra-necessary.
I never had much use for religion until I had a conversation online with a guy who claimed that if everyone were atheist we'd be living in a Mad Max world. I asked him, "If you didn't believe in god and heaven and hell you really think you'd be out killing, stealing and raping everyone?"
His answer, "Hell, yeah! It would be great!" took me aback. Perhaps religion has a purpose after all if it keeps people like him under control.
😂 LOL!!!
That’s not true: people are not driven to cooperation by any “god” but by natural instincts. We are communist (and libertarian, and scientific) because of evolution, not legends. In fact the most antisocial people I can think of all belong to sects and exploit their fascist-like manipulation of people’s good nature and naivety. They are psychopaths who thrive in such organizations, not just religious ones but any hierarchy such as totalitarian political parties or equally totalitarian private corporations.
Our species is largely cooperative by instinct but we have been hijacked by psychopathic parasites since the emergence of class society and patriarchy in the Copper or Bronze Age. Think about that.
No, scientific inquiry is not instinctual, rote learning and superstitious explanations for events are what have driven humans for most of the last 150,000 years, that’s why it’s so damn hard to get rid of it. Very few people can comprehend much less understand electron exchange between atmospheric regions, “The gods are mad” is much easier for the undereducated to understand.
Love of truth and knowledge is instictive, evolutionary, genetic. Just think about it: people are natural explorers, some more than others maybe but everyone would like to know what is beyond the mountains or the sea or whatever… or where is the next meal grazing maybe. They also relied heavily on collectivist honesty about any such discoveries and for all our evolutionary history (except the last few classist millennia) we had little more than our community, our relatives, friends and allies, to rely upon, so there was no gain in withholding such knowledge.
Primitive superstition is truly overrated. When asked about what happens after death, Hadza hunter-gatherers replied: “nobody knows, some claim they go to the Sun… but it’s most unlikely”. Hunter-gatherers may of course have various legends and diffuse beliefs, especially those associated to the “guilt” of hunting animals they very much consider soulful, it seems, which they may conjure out of mind by imagining that the animal they hunt offers itself, for example, but more intense superstitions/religions/magical thought seems to have only evolved (socio-culturally rather than genetically) after farming and very especially after elites took over this new socio-economic stage (class society). Religion is indeed meant above all to brainwash the masses into submission, and that’s why your typical deity is a patriarch, a lord, a master…
The Mormons have a god the father and god the mother, but it hasn't made them less oppressive,
Do they have a “God the Mother”? Never heard of that before. They have a prophet called John Smith, which is the plainest name ever, and who was feathered at his hometown and featured in South Park. Famous heretics indeed but first time I read that they have a “God the Mother”, so almost certainly not.
I remember that time a Mormon came to my home and was angry that I wouldn’t shake his hand. I was angry that he bothered me and wore a tie. I have better relation with the guys of the Chinese Food Cult: they always bring delicious even if often cardboardish food and just want silly monopoly tickets in return. Nice! I don’t know if they have a God the Mother, they are hard to understand. I’m planning in learning Chinese… next incarnation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavenly_Mother_(Mormonism)
Acknowledgment by the LDS Church
One early authoritative statement from the entire First Presidency on the subject is the “origin of man” letter on the 50th anniversary of Charles Darwin’s Origin of Species.[33] The church also later implied the theology in the 1995 statement “The Family: A Proclamation to the World”, where the church officially stated that each person is a “spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents”. Similarly, the 2019 version of the Young Women Theme reads, “I am a beloved daughter of heavenly parents, with a divine nature and eternal destiny.”[34] Other references to heavenly parents can be found in Latter-day Saint speeches and literature.[35] In 2015, an official essay was published on the church website which surveyed 171 years of statements about a Mother in Heaven and confirmed that it is part of church doctrine.[36]
"we have been hijacked by psychopathic parasites since the emergence of class society and patriarchy in the Copper or Bronze Age."
I'm glad you put "class society and patriarchy" in order of importance };-)>
There are fascinating exceptions to patriarchal rule throughout long era of feudalism,
Here's one:
Venture back to a time when the island of Crete was a canvas for one of history’s most enigmatic cultures – the Minoans.
Renowned for their labyrinthine palaces and advanced society, the Minoans also harbored a remarkable aspect that set them apart: the prominence of women in their societal structure. This article delves into the world of Minoan Crete to uncover the fascinating role of women rulers who shaped an entire civilization.
https://www.elissos.com/matriarchs-of-minoan-crete-unearthing-the-legacy-of-minoan-women/
It’s not order of importance: it’s the same thing but class society is more generalistic, as it includes Patriarchy (exploitation and oppression of children and women… in this order): children and women are treated as separate classes or castes. While racism is much more recent and pretty much an early capitalist phenomenon, it’s also a form of class society (casteism specifically).
Do you think that Minoans were not patriarchal? Those frescoes were painted after the Greek conquest, Minos (for whatever reality he had, and notice that he was a “he”) was a Dorian Greek. Theseus was Ionian however, also a jerk anyhow and the message may be: “do not hyrbidize our many patriarchal Greekness with that of those Eteorcretan effeminate weaklings (the Minotaur represents that cultural “decadent”, “monstruous” hybridization, Theseus was there to set things straight as both warrior and trickster, using and abusing poor Ariadne). The same theme we see in other Greek fights against pre-Indoeuropean Troy, in which the Trojans are depicted as somewhat “effeminate” and enjoying mostly the favor of Venus, with Paris chosing her before the other goddesses whose favors were more “manly” (power and victory respectively). Again Trojan-related Etruscans, who were “soft patriarchal” and not by any means “matriarchal” or strictly egalitarian, were seen on a similar light by the Romans: “effeminate” and “weak”, as they, can you imagine?!, the “indecency” of sharing meals and even couches with their wives, go figure!
I’m Basque and I’ve been intermittently told since childhood that our culture was “matriarcal”. Reality does not confirm that, although it was and is surely “soft patriarchal” tending to strict egalitarianism. Our ancient Iberian cousins, who were more civilized, clearly show evolution towards both class society and patriarchy/sexism already in the Bronze Age (look up the archaeology of Motilla del Azuer for example and compare with that of still egalitarian Catalan Neolithic maybe). There were surely many variations but Patriarchy clearly emerges within class society and very early on within its evolution, and that’s almost certainly because class society is largely forged by warriors, who were almost invariably men, and were the ones who could enforce or even create via violence the class hierarchy (and thus also slavery/serfdom, private land property, patriarchy, etc.)
You might like Arthur Evans
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https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/505044.God_of_Ecstasy
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Could you perhaps peruse the article I linked.
it makes the argument for Minos/Crete being a mixed system of matriarchy and patriarchy. To wit:The religion is matriarchal, there were powerful queens that ruled alongside the kings. Women had economic power.
Would you care to address those contentions?
I don't see how the article says what you say it says. Anyway "Minoan Crete" surely means "pre-Minoan Crete" rather because, as mentioned above, Minos already belongs to the oldest layers of Greek Crete, when all the palace centers other than Cnossos had been abandoned and linear A (used to write the nativer undeciphered pre-Indoeuropean language of Crete) had been replaced by linear B script (used to write in Myceneanean Greek).
As for the "Snake Goddess", she's clearly wearing a headress with the shape of an owl (or has an owl on her head), what links here to later Athena but also to the oculado idols of Iberia (example below), which are IMO owl eyes.
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Women had economic power? Probably, that happens in a lot of patriarchal societies, including ancient Sparta, where a few privileged women managed to control most of the wealth of the hyper-militaristic city-state, partly leading to the collapse of its society, as you needed to own land in order to be a citizen and thus an elite warrior. Anyway, women had economic capacity in ancient Egypt and in ancient Etruria for all we know and yet these societies were patriarchal ("soft patriarchy" if you wish). Basque women, as documented by Roslyn Frank, were able to own property and even inherit (that was decision of the family council or primarly the parents), however that only happened exceptionally in practical terms, and male heirs were generally preferred, so we are again in a society with "soft patriarchy" or, if you wish, quasi-egalitarian but still tending to patriarchy, certainly not "matriarchal" (matriarchies have never existed in broad societies, with punctual localized exceptions that I can attest for, they are just the patriarchal mirror dream of the Amazons).
One might recall master magician and outspoken atheist Penn Jillette's wonderful quote :
"The question I get asked by religious people all the time is, without God, what's to stop me from raping all I want? And my answer is: I do rape all I want. And the amount I want is zero. And I do murder all I want, and the amount I want is zero. The fact that these people think that if they didn't have this person watching over them that they would go on killing, raping rampages is the most self-damning thing I can imagine."
Under Communism we saw atheism in practice: It did horrible things wielding absolute and centralised power, and then it just destroyed the evidence.
No. Under Communism you saw the State replace worship of deities with worship of the State. And you saw what an extremist State does at one far end of the political spectrum.
The ONLY tenet of atheism is, “We do not believe the claim that a god or gods exist”. That’s it. That’s the closest atheism gets to a “world view”.
You can have atheists that believe in ghosts, Maoism, aliens, Trump, crystal power, lower excise taxes, higher excise taxes…anything EXCEPT the claims that god(s) exist.
Atheists don’t fear punishment in the next life, also don’t believe in the immortal soul of each individual. They don’t merely doubt such things; they reject the possibility of souls or punishment.
Because NONE of that has been demonstrated to be true. That is why most atheists might disbelieve.
The “soft” atheist (like me) does not believe the claims that a god exists. The “hard” atheist claims that a god does not exist.
Buddhists and Taoists are definitionally atheist, yet believe in souls or afterlife or cosmic justice.
Besides, what kind of s**t moral authority delays justice ? “Murder all you want for 75 years, and if you don’t accept my demigod son just before you die, THEN when you die it’s BBQ 4 U !”
I tend to reject the claims of gods because I realise I am not a god yet could & would do a FAR BETTER JOB at it than all the gods presented to me thus far. Suggesting irrationality in the very concept of the gods as presented.
I doubt Buddhists and Taoists are truly atheist, just misunderstood. People say the same of Confucians, and I don’t get the impression he was atheist. China is communist; so, it is atheist currently.
What god do Buddhists and Taoists believe exists ?
Some Buddhists believe Buddha was a god. Others, that he was the first to achieve spiritual greatness, and is thus like a Ruth or Gretzky or Jordan or OJ Simpson.
The Tao Te Ching speaks of the Tao as a thing-no-thing; a force or a presence , but not as a god.
What god did Confucius believe in ?
Do not confuse a secular state for an atheist one, Lynchpin ol’ bean. Not the same thing.
Buddhists often speak of spiritual matters as if there were gods, even if they just ascended. Tibetan Buddhism is pretty wild, but maybe that’s not “authentic.”
Confucius I’ll have to look up, but I distinctly remember him praising certain rituals even if their purpose had been forgotten. He doesn’t suggest they’re wrong. He just finds value in them regardless of their purpose. It didn’t sound atheist to me.
In Section 2 Part 7 I see spirits mentioned. I don’t think it’s just spirits of country, grain, ancestors. Regardless, grain was once seen as a god. I mean that’s how religion began, viewing things as gods. It wasn’t this cynical view we have now of a pretend game. Humans really saw gods in nature. That was their attempt at science.
Confucius didn’t preach a new religion. So, I don’t think he rejected gods. They used to perform sacrifices back then, even human sacrifices. So, it sounds pretty religiony to me.
Most people aren’t psychopaths, but we do need a religion to justify sacrificing self interest.
Some deny the existence of an afterlife. Jews often make this argument.
Karma is or can be an alternative to belief in an afterlife (in other words, do good to be rewarded in this life or when reborn or when no longer reborn).
"George White wrote to Gottlieb in 1971:
'Of course I was a very minor missionary, actually a heretic, but I toiled wholeheartedly in the vineyards because it was fun, fun, fun. Where else could a red-blooded American boy lie, kill and cheat, steal, deceive, rape and pillage with the sanction and blessing of the All-Highest?' ”
George White was OSS/CIA assassin and ran the CIA's Operation Midnight Climaxin NYC and SF, secretly dosing people with LSD and often subjecting them to psychological torture.
There is no correlation between piety and moral behavior.Perhaps some religions tend to recommend morality for their adherents.
In U.S. (in other NATO countries too, though, maybe in a lesser degree) any politician who is not pro-Zionist, is immediately labelled as antisemite, and then his political career is ruined.
Yes, the politicians are paid very well in The West but it is not just money. Some people choose this career for other motivations.
My question was actually more rhetorical.
Biden is a lame duck and Harris is toast. There is no leverage at the moment, nothing to lose. Biden could impose an arms embargo but he is a POS.
You really should write something for us ED… You make excellent points on just about everything!
He wants those (extremely) highly paid speaking engagements after he steps down.
And he wants pudding instead of dollars.
"You can't have any pudding if you don't eat your meat."
More Pink Floyd. I love it!
Speech reading engagements
He's also hoping not to be put down after he's steps down.
We really are at the dawn of a new age of authoritarianism in America.
He has a self-proclaimed "Zionist heart." and that explain's a lot of the recent horror.
The fact that Hez wants to kill every Jew on Earth makes for Zionism as understandable. Democracy and socialism are good in theory,but oft fails in practice.
That's a good question. But, I'm sure Patel is paying the State Department to do this.
So did we. …Oh, sorry. That's right. The native Indians caught Small Pox.
Actually, Hamas has ties to the actual Nazi government. Hamas is part of the Muslim Brotherhood, which got support and inspiration from the Germans in the 1930s and 1940s.
The '30s are almost 100 years ago … who are the genociders today?
It's still Hamas.
Israel is fighting a war with Hamas. How many people have died? Who knows? Hamas is not a credible source. They claim 43,000 people, or more (some are buried in the rubble). Israel claims they have killed 17,000 Hamas fighters; fighting combatants that have attacked and slaughtered you people is not "genocide".
So, assuming both numbers are correct, Israel has killed 26,000 civilians.
The Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics (PCBS) estimates that there are about 14.8 million Palestinians in the world. So, 26,000 equals 0.1% of all Palestinians.
The Germans killed about 70% of the Jewish population of Europe in WWII; so, you think these are somehow equivalent? Where did you learn math – at Columbia? It must have been one of those courses about how math is part of the patriarchy and must be interpreted with social standards.
You also ignore the fact that Israeli Arabs have the longest life expectancy in the Arab world. Also, more freedoms, education, participation in government, etc.
But the point about the Muslim Brotherhood and the philosophy of Nazi Germany is that it is based on racial theories of superiority and inferiority. Those are the key tenants at the heart of the Nazi doctrine, which you will find is part of the Hamas doctrine (and actions).
Yet, you feel that a group that is dedicated to your literal extermination should be handled with gentleness and compassion – even when they are using their own people as human shields.
The Lancet and other non-involved but experts estimate higher than 100,000 deaths.
Tell me, if there had been 60 million Jewish people in the world, would the murder of 10% not have been a genocide?
This excuse making for the inexcusable is very evil. If you're not getting paid for it, examine your conscience. If you are getting paid, I have no hope for you.
It’s not only that: Israel has such ties too.
Even if we do the history thing, the guy is being dishonest.
That’s blood libel. Do you know who actually collaborated with the Holocaust? The Jabotnik or most extremist branch of the Zionists, who were adamant on preventing flight to Western countries on the grounds that all should migrate to Palestine and nowhere else.
Anyhow the Palestinian Resistance is not just Hamas, Hamas is just a modern manifestation of it as the Marxist PLFP put it (look them up, they’re interesting and fully committed to the military anti-colonial resistance under any leadership). Certainly the growth of “political Islam” is something that the USA has favored since the 80s (Afghan and Algerian anti-socialist insurgencies) and serves the purpose of alienating Arabs from secularism, creating a de facto “global Muslim ghetto”, which can then be easily demonized on one side and manipulated by CIA puppets like Al Qaeda and DAESH, as well as their direct satellite promoters such as Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, the smaller Gulf emirates and Morocco. 20 years ago Muslims sold beer and pork in their shops, not anymore. Why? US manipulation.
Nonsense.
1. Blood libel is the claim that Jews kill Christians, particularly children, to use their blood in rituals.
2. Yes, you can always find someone who tried to cooperate with the German government in the 1930s, because…they were the government.
That is not the same thing as basing your movement on the Nazi racial theories, which is the case with the Muslim Brotherhood. They actually internalized and supported the Nazi theories on differences between races, and that philosophy hasn't changed since the 1930s. The belief in racial differences between people has nothing to do with the US; plus, politics in the Middle East are constantly changing, as are the strategies of the US. For example, the US backed Iran at one point; then they backed Iraq. The supported Islamists in Afghanistan, then they bombed them (same with Iraq). With Israel, Jordan and Egypt were at war; then they signed peace treaties. So it goes.
So, simplistic views of "US manipulation" are just that – simplistic; especially as they ignore other influences. What about the Soviets and the KGB, which invented the PLO and declared that the Egyptian-born Yasser Arafat was really from Jerusalem?
The Middle East is a hall of mirrors. Nothing is what it seems, and nothing stays the same.
Blood libel is any attempt to smear anyone with false accusations of murder, especially the Palestinians, if so you wish, who are the true Hebrews. There’s nothing more antisemitic than Zionism.
It was not me who began making blood libel about who allegedly cooperated with Nazi Germany (for example Great Britain all the time until they crossed the red line at Poland).
You’re clearly a criminal accomplice of genocide. Blocked!
Block anythingyou don't want to hear.
I don’t want to have any relation with fascism, genocide, racism, sexism or homophobia. It’s not about not wanting to hear, it’s about fighting against those intolerable attitudes. I have “blocked” even my own mother, I have better things to do than confronting in terms peaceful true demons (psychopaths, very sick people in urgent need for psychiatric treatment) that do not belong to Humanity, really.
Meanwhile,the "resistance" just got 45,000 of its peope killed,and 2 million living in rubble. Neither the Palestinians nor the Israelis are going away,so they best work out a modus vivendi.
Why are you here? Shouldn’t you be in pro-war and pro-genocide dot com rather? Damn fascist trolls!
No, that was the "good guys" carrying out a genocide after allowing the Hamas attack.
Meanwhile,on this site,on Oct7, there was mainly denial, and justification.
That doesn't change anything I said. Israel chose genocide, they weren't forced.
Israel also has such ties to German national socialism, which is the actual term for what people are calling, “Nazi.”
Oh please. The Nazis based their entire government on an insane theory of racial differences, which classified Jews as an inherently defective "race". Israel did not exist when the Nazi government fell, but it was formed in part by Zionists who sought a homeland for Jewish people.
There is no overlap between the news of Adolf Hitler as described in "Mein Kampf" – and the aim of Zionism to establish a homeland for Jews.
There are three differences:
1) Hitler called his version “Heim Ins Reich” rather than “making aliyah;”
2) Hitler scapegoated Jews, Zionists scapegoat Palestinian Arabs; and
3) At least until recently, the Zionists weren’t as effective as the Nazis at their near-identical programs.
Israel did not even exist then.
Zionists did
TRY true true
Huh? Is that supposed to mean something?
Yes, it is a fact that Hamas is part of the Muslim Brotherhood, and it is a fact that the Muslim Brotherhood was supported by Nazi Germany.
https://english.alarabiya.net/features/2018/06/27/ANALYSIS-The-Nazi-roots-of-Muslim-Brotherhood
https://themilitant.com/2023/12/02/the-roots-of-hamas-lie-in-hitlers-final-solution/
“Patel’s comments follow the Biden administration’s pattern over the past year of denying the reality on the ground in Gaza to ensure US weapons continue to flow to Israel.”
As weapons and money are the lifeblood of empire, “the spice must flow” … we live in times where the “lesser evil” readily makes excuses for undeniable apartheid, genocide, and ethnic cleansing. Something must give.
Did not expect the USA to be Harkonnen.
we're not?
Maybe we are the Emperor and Israel is Harkonnen?
Our founding fathers faced a similar dilemma:
They wrote petitions.
They were ignored.
They protested.
They were silenced.
This picked up their guns and started putting bullets in mother*******.
They won their freedom.
Yes,the displaced and despised Jews evicted from their homes in Europe and the mideast,came to Israe land won their freedom. Zionism is national liberation.
Zionism is a form of nazism. It is a murderous theocratic fascist monstrosity based on a race theory that stinks to high heaven resulting in the same genocidal ideological concepts of blut und boden, lebensraum, untermenschen and Gott mit uns. And so there is no difference of any significance between Zionism and Nazism.
And this is now beyond dispute. This history is written, indelable, ineradicable in the blood of Palestinian children.
And historically the Zionist movement already stained itself with collusion with the Nazi's. After all the Zionists and the Nazi's shared the same goal in the removal of European Jewry from the European continent.
Word!
Zionism is like Palestinian nationalism,reasonable and unreasonable people,love,hate, dreams. The world's indifference to Nazism and or admiration for Nazism propelled Zionism-a necessary survival mode. Judaeophobia nurtures Zionism-quite natural.
I don't know what to make of this word salad, but no the world is not indifferent to Nazism, the West – that part of the world where Nazism originated – is, more specifically Western regimes are. Israel <u>are</u> the Nazi's. Zionism is not a consequence of Judeophobia, or in a more colloquial parlance antisemitism, instead Zionist propaganda instrumentalized these concepts and does everything in its power to propagate and nurture them where it exists and invent it out of whole cloth where it doesn't. Israel has a wide web of institutions in the West to execute that policy. They are not there to serve the interest of Jewish constituents of respective countries.
You may consider the Zionists to be your forefather, but that makes you unique here.
Most of the early Zionists were not "evicted from their homes." They chose to leave them in order to colonize Palestine.
Colonialism can never be national liberation.
All Zionists do is lie.
Zionism is built on lies, land theft and ethnic cleansing.
There are many supporters of Israel at this site-get used to it. The Jewsof most of Europe and the Arabic world were evicted-760,000.
Few support the genocidal wars being waged by Bibi & his gang of far right war criminals
Support for Zionism is decidedly geriatric.
Still,the US political system currently provides no representation for the majorities that want to see military aid to Israel halted. That can and will change.
Cool. Since you won your freedom you won’t need anymore US taxpayer dollars.
Taxpayer dollars are being used toprevent Israel from using nukes-a worthy expense.
South Africa had nukes to; Israel isn’t the first nuclear armed shitty little apartheid colony the world has been forced to deal with.
The brazen lie on top level is normal both in U.S. and EU. So, no one is surprised.
These are Neocons. The Straussian "Noble Lie" is an ethical imperative. And Vedant Patel is clearly one of the noble elite charged with the duty to govern us.
This kind of "Noble Lie" is one of the most vicious.
Yes, the Devil’s own irony.
And they always come home to roost!
Ah, War Crimes is a language we can understand…
The language of mighty, glorious kings!
Could it be that Shaupehouer and G. Carlin were basically right about us poor ol' divine creatures made in the image of the greatest?
Something is wrong in denmark kiddies and we better wake up
The fact that there is no
Special committee to investigate the practices of Syria, North Korea, Iran, China,Sudan, Uzbekistan, Congo, Somalia, Chad, Yemen etc tells me all I need to know about this committee and about the motives of the organization that established it.
I see. Not denying anything Israel has done but just wondering why they're being picked on. I'm thinking you're thinking antisemitism. Was I close?
Ahem…
Bingo! When israel, the only nation state of the Jews is targeted selectively for criticism and condemnation, while no other state in the world is subject to the same scrutiny and criticism, I would consider that very suspect.
So, you aren't denying anything Israel has done. Got it. Thanks for the admission.
This is known as "whataboutism" … yeah, we are guilty of genocide and ethnic cleansing but what about …
None of the countries you mention state that they are a nation of one of the ethnic groups within, with all other ethnicities and religions second class citizens at pain of death or expulsion if they disagree. Nor are they currently starving a portion of the people under their control for ethno-religious purity reasons.
It's tough defending genocide and ethnic cleansing, no?
Not to mention the fact that these other abusive (alleged?) countries don't have a lobby here so powerful that they control the Houses of Congress and whose influence creates massive funding for them from our taxpayers.
There is ethnic cleansing going on all over the place. But it’s just not so blatant and extreme as in Israel.
Burma is a common example. India. Both persecute Muslims. If I knew more about the world, I’d give better examples, but Africa (which is huge) always has something horrible going on.
I’m a firm believer, when you vote someone down, have the consideration to inform as to why, otherwise, a down vote seems a bit pointless and seems obscure.
That they're focused on extant ongoing genocide, and not witchhunting America's popular Enemy of the Month ?
Yeah, you never hear something bad about Syria, North-Korea, Iran, China etc etc. The mainstream press is absolutely sanitized and void of any critical word about those places. You can't criticize them without being accused of antisyrianism, antikoreanism, antipersianism, antichinism and have their lobbies go after your career and livelihood.
But it could also be you say stupid things like that because you don't know shit or it could be you say stupid things like that because your need to know anything at all is just so damn neglibly minute.
When asked about the HRW report, Patel claimed that the US has not seen “forced displacement”
Baghdad Bob lives.
This "report" is not a UN finding, but a meaningless report from just three countries that have poor human rights records themselves: Malaysia, Sri Lanka, and Senegal.
But…where were these great beacons of freedom and human rights when Hamas illegally occupied Gaza, killing Palestinian Authority members? Or when they detained, tortured, and executed people in Gaza – not allowing elections or protests? Oh, that's different, because they are freedom fights. Or something.
A down vote means diddly squat, without a reason being offered.
Yes, everything is meaningless … the global south (only 7/8 of humanity) should be ignored. Only the paid-off and controlled "west" should be listened to …
1. I am showing the dishonesty of claiming this is a "UN report". It's not. It's a report by three UN members.
2. Look up Sri Lanka's human rights record. They have been flagged by many organizations, such as Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/asia-and-the-pacific/south-asia/sri-lanka/report-sri-lanka/
3. Save your indignation for your professors at Columbia (or is it Harvard?). I didn't say it was meaningless, just biased and absurd.
4. How about criticizing Hamas, a group that illegally occupies Gaza, which tortures and executes dissenters, and which launch a terrorist attack they knew would harm their people, whom they use as human shields? Why don't you demand they they surrender immediately, release all hostages, and live peacefully?
Aside from the debunked shibboleths about "human shields", etc. and your ignoring of the 75+ years of abuse of the native population in the so-called Holy Land: Do the countries or entities that you mention have a lobby in the US that coaches and controls how Congress votes on issues pertinent to them? Are US taxpayers made to shell out billions of dollars to support them?
And when those Congress people don't vote the right way, that same lobby will make damn sure they don't get voted back in when the next election rolls around.
It's a "UN Report" as in "published by a special UN committee" … you know how the UN works, right? They set up committees who investigate and issue reports. The UN as a whole can't do this, naturally … they have to deputize and they do. This is normal practice.
Hamas as been criticized repeatedly, by UN and NGOs … few people defend them as an organization. But, you know what? Compared to Israel and its rich uncle the US, Hamas are babies in evil.
"Living peacefully" doesn't work when the other side is constantly controlling your borders and economy and "mowing the lawn" every few years, killing your youth. Read "a raisin in the sun" for more clarity.
Why the no votes. I am not thick as a brick, ahem, but would like to know and understand the why of the no votes, for our benefit, otherwise, we are in the dark…
Excellent – the indictments are stacking up, and the world can only ignore the ASI's crimes for do long before BDI or formal state boycotts or embargoes start to happen.
Next up? The U.S. Fourth Reich is committing genocide? Nope. Veto.
Well if you go by current US standards the Holocaust was merely an unfortunate spat that is the result of admirably reticent Nazi's defending themselves heroically against the impacable terrorist scourge of European Jewry.
I'm sure Patel would praise the SS for being the most moral paramilitaries in the world.
No report needed, the World has and still is witnessing the Genocide of Palestinians. This took to long to call Israel what it is, a State of Genocidal Maniacs, slaughtering people for land. The atrocities by the Zionist, are worse than what the Nazis did, because the Democracies all have a hand in this Genocide, with the USA the prime enabler.
What an absurd claim, even for a Columbia or Harvard graduate.
The Nazis started a war that killed 70 million people, and targeted Jews for extermination, killing 70% of all European Jews.
The war in Gaza has resulted in the death of about 0.1% of Palestinians.
Further, Palestinians in Israel have the longest life expectancy in the Arab world.
Meanwhile, a resident of Chicago's (mostly black) South Side has a life expectancy of 60 years, while those in the more affluent areas of Chicago have a life expectancy of 90 years.
Do you care? Do you do anything about this situation, in your country? Of course not; you would rather focus on "the Zionist".
Meanwhile, you want to know who is like an actual Nazi? You are. Your country dropped atom bombs on civilian populations, killing hundreds of thousands instantly. Your country took the findings from Nazi-like human medical experiments from the Japanese to start their biological warfare efforts. Your country killed 1 million people in Korea/Vietnam; and 1 million Muslims in the "War on Terror". All this, so you can enjoy the smug comfort and clueless affluence to project your guilt onto others.
I suggest starting with your own racist country before lecturing others. When an Africa American – current life expectancy 77 years – matches the life expectancy of Israeli Arabs (78 years) – then we can talk.
Your comment evades the question as to whether there is a genocide being executed.
It even seems like you are defending the actions of the Zionist Israeli administration and its IDF.
Are you defending the actions of Israel?
The Nazis committed genocide against the Jews, killing 70% of European Jews. the Ottoman committed genocide against the Armenians; 1.2 million of the 1.5 million Armenian Christians were killed. In the Rwandan genocide, 600,000 Tutsi were killed, and 300,000 women were raped.
According to Hamas, 43,000 people have been killed in the war in Gaza. According to the Israelis, they have killed 17,000 Hamas soldiers. I can't say if either source is reliable; but if they are, then 26,000 civilians have died in Gaza.
The Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics states that there are 14.8 million Palestinians; that means that 0.11% of Palestinians have died in a war in their territory. So, no, that doesn't fit the description of "genocide".
Also, genocide refers to the destruction of a people. However, Israeli Arabs do well, and Palestinians in Jordan are not targeted.
As for defending Israel, it is an US ally so it is in my best interest for them to succeed. As with all allies, there can be concerns about their methods. Although the Soviet Union was our ally against Hitler, we did not agree with them on all positions or actions. The same is true today for other US allies, such as Saudi Arabia. However, I would not want to see Saudi Arabia defeated by Iran or the Houthis, as they are opposed to American interests.
In the war between US ally Israel and designated terrorist organization and Iranian ally Hamas, I would prefer to see Israel defeat Hamas. However, Hamas hides behind civilians and uses them as human shields, so this creates a moral dilemma. But this would be resolved tomorrow if Hamas simply surrendered, gave up their weapons, and released all hostages. They know this but they will not do that, because they would rather see their people die and their infrastructure destroyed. So be it.
Even assuming the accuracy of your death statistic claims, there was presumably a point in time at which Hitler’s goons had “only” killed 0.11% of Europe’s Jews.
The next instant genocide I hear of will be the first I’ve heard of. Genocide is like driving from Mobile to Memphis. Sure, it’s about 400 miles from the former to the latter, and at any given moment you may only be in Citronelle or Meridian or Tupelo. But if you tell everyone you’re going to finally visit Graceland and will be back next week, then gas up your car and head north on US Route 45, it’s not unreasonable to believe you’re on a trip to Memphis.
Even assuming the accuracy of your death statistic claims, there was presumably a point in time at which Hitler’s goons had “only” killed 0.11% of Europe’s Jews.
The next instant genocide I hear of will be the first I’ve heard of. Genocide is like driving from Mobile to Memphis. Sure, it’s about 400 miles from the former to the latter, and at any given moment you may only be in Citronelle or Meridian or Tupelo. But if you tell everyone you’re going to finally visit Graceland and will be back next week, then gas up your car and head north on US Route 45, it’s not unreasonable to believe you’re on a trip to Memphis.
Only cowards down vote someone! You should at least say why! Shame, shame, shame!
Duh! Thanks, UN, Captain Obvious, for coming up with what everyone knows a year late.
Useless morons.
Extremely useless morons. And why is the UN in New York!!?? We are not exactly a neutral country.
IS OUR WHOLE GOVERNMENT JUST ONE GENOCIDAL CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION????OUT TO HELP THE ZIONISTS MURDER AS MANY NATIVE PEOPLE OF THE HOLY LAND TO STEAL THEIR LAND???????? OR IS THERE SOME OTHER EXPLAINATION…. THE. ZIONISTS WILL LIVE IN INFAMY FOR A HUNDRED YEARS LIKE THEIR NAZI PREDECESSORS. THE ZIONI ARE THE NEW NAZIS OF THES NEW MILLENNIUM!
To that end – does anyone know if the State of Israel, at its inception or ever after, took the Americans to task about Operation Paperclip ?
1. The US was built on genocide. What have you done about your own country? (Nothing).
2. Your country just elected a convicted felon/rapist, who wants a pedophile to be in charge of law enforcement, so…criminal organization? Again, what are you doing about your country (except hysterical rants in all caps?)
3. First, the Palestinians are not "Native peoples". Take a leader like Yasser Arafat…he was born in Egypt to an Egyptian family…And Jerusalem has had a Jewish majority since the 1860s (during your Civil War).
4. Palestinians who do not murder Israelis do well. The Israeli Arabs have the longest life expectancy in the Arab world, and Israel is at peace with the Palestinians in Jordan. And Israel has given up land; after all, the Israelis left Gaza in 2006; then it was illegally occupied by Hamas, which took the territory in a violent coup from the legal government, the Palestinian Authority. Israel also returned the oil-rich Sinai to Egypt.
5. Maybe Israel will remain unpopular in your dorm at Columbia or Harvard, but you notice that most Arab nations are not supporting Hamas. Egypt closed off the border with Gaza once Hamas staged their violent coup, and they know that Hamas is part of the Muslim Brotherhood, which is at war with Egypt.
You really need to learn some history.
Israelis and Arabs Palestinians are both native to said countries. Get used to it.
Man, you just cannot put anything past these folks! And, as for disturbing the americans, what is the point of kicking a rotting corpse?
I just noticed the comment about Blinken's red line. Blinken is a god-damned joke and a disgrace to the global community.
Gaza is a repeat of Jericho from the Book of Joshua. Except for the blowing of horns.
US. Has set up an hotline for such occasion. Dial 1-866-BITE-ME.
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Good one.
Galloway is great again today on Press TV. Make sure to check him out!
https://www.presstv.ir/Live
Two back to back programs, excellent as always!
Galloway is great again today on Press TV. Make sure to check him out!
https://www.presstv.ir/Live
Two back to back programs, excellent as always!
Israel is bombing the heck out of everything!
The US should reassess its present course, especially with regard to Israel.
Project Veritas catches UN manager rooting for war.
Key Quotes from Gagan Vaseer, Program Management Officer, United Nations:
“The only way you make money in the UN is if you go to war… you get paid more.
“There’s a lot of lazy people. 90% [of United Nations employees] are squatting. I could point to people every single day in the building who don’t work.”
“Look at… what’s happening in the Middle East. They can’t figure it out because [the UN is] … a very archaic organization.”
"What is the UN? It’s an amorphous body of nothingness.”
https://www.projectveritas.com/news/un-manager-claims-war-is-the-only-way-to-make-serious-cash
Meanwhile, Maylasia has no diplomatic relations with Israel-show what the UN is really worth.
Two words Israel knows well:
Genocide
Holocaust
Wash, rinse…. Never repeat…!
https://strategic-culture.su/news/2024/11/15/there-are-no-easy-wars-left-fight-but-not-mistake-longing-for-one/
Alastair Crooke
https://www.presstv.ir/Live
Obviously,those enabling the genocide are going to lie about it.
We know, we know. It's is happening. Nothing is being done to stop it. No justice.