Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Thursday lashed out at his Western backers on Thursday over what he said was inaction over the reports of North Korean troops being sent to Russia.
“Putin is checking the reaction of the West … And I believe that after all these reactions, Putin will decide and increase the contingent … The reaction that is there today is nothing, it is zero,” Zelensky said in an interview with South Korean media.
Also on Thursday, the Biden administration claimed there are about 8,000 North Korean troops in Russia near the Ukrainian border. The US expects the troops to join the fighting in Russia’s Kursk Oblast, where Ukrainian forces control a small piece of territory and are being slowly pushed out by Russian troops.
Secretary of State Antony Blinken said the US has “not yet seen these troops deploy into combat against Ukrainian forces, but we would expect that to happen in the coming days.”
Russian officials have not confirmed that North Korean troops are in its territory but have not been denying it and point to the military agreement Moscow and Pyongyang signed earlier this year when asked about the issue. The deal included a mutual defense clause.
On Wednesday, Vassily Nebenzia, Russia’s envoy to the UN, said North Korea had the right to help Russia in its war since the West is supporting Ukraine. “Even if everything that’s being said about the cooperation between Russia and North Korea by our Western colleagues is true, why is it that the United States and allies are trying to impose on everyone the flawed logic that they have the right to help the Zelensky regime … and Russian allies have no right to do a similar thing,” he said.
North Korea previously denied sending troops to Russia but recently said that if the rumors were true, it would be a lawful deployment. “If there is such a thing that the world media is talking about, I think it will be an act conforming with the regulations of international law,” North Korean Vice Foreign Minister Kim Jong Gyu said on October 25.
Zelensky and hawks in the US are calling for major escalations in response to the North Korean deployment. The Ukrainian leader has been hyping the threat to push his so-called “victory plan,” which calls for the US and NATO to support long-range strikes inside Russia, which risks nuclear war.
Rep. Mike Turner (R-OH), the chair of the House Intelligence Committee, has said if North Korean soldiers attack Ukraine from Russian territory, the US should support long-range strikes inside Russian territory using NATO missiles, an escalation Russian President Vladimir Putin has made clear would risk nuclear war. Turner also said that if North Korean troops enter Ukraine to fight, the US should consider “direct military action.”
Poor little Zelenskyy. He wants NATO troops to fight in Ukraine. The dumb ba$tard should seek peace and stop killing his own people.
Your screenname says all anyone needs to know.
Yes, we are the Anti-War party and we ain't going back to the Bush-Cheney days thanks to Donald Trump.
Pretending that Donald Trump has anything to do with anti-war is just that — pretending.
Even a Never Trumper like you would have to admit that Trump took the GOP decisively away from the Bush-Cheney-Romneys and set it on a new populist and anti-war course.
I’m not a “Never Trumper.” I dont’ give a tinker’s damn whether Trump or Harris wins this election. I also didn’t care whether Trump or Biden won in 2020, or whether Trump or Clinton won in 2016.
That doesn’t mean I have to pretend he’s an actual populist or actually anti-war. I evaluate him based on his actions — which aren’t especially better or worse than the actions of other politicians — rather than on his WWE-style theatrics.
In my view he’s a big improvement over George Dumbya or McCain, or Romney or one of the Cheneys.
Trump supporters are in for a big surprise if he win. He couldn’t do Jack in his first term, and not be able to do Jack when he returns.
You mean besides fill THREE Supreme Court seats?
And who would Romney or Dubya or the Cheney's have appointed? Liberal judges? Three openings happened during Trump's presidency. That had nothing to do with Trump. Oh, and all three sucked.
Still holding on to the idea that the Supreme Court is the all mighty mantel?
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So is a pile of dog shit. You keep comparing him to other scum to make it sound like lesser scum is a good thing.
He gets the savior or satan treatment. He’s just a plain ol’ vanilla corrupt, blob obeying pol.
LOL .. as does yours, your obvious attempt to DECEIVE people into thinking you’re smart. You’re NOT, wake up and smell the roses.
"Poor little Zelensky" is okay. He is fabulously rich and would be happy to be a head of state in exile, if allowed.
The argument being "How dare Russia have a mutual defense pact to counter our coup puppet-propping with swastika-fond mercenaries from 40 countries like some white Christian ISIS!" DC needs regime change, nothing with a D or an R after the name.
I still can't believe it. I can't believe the Moscow General Staff would allow an unpracticed co-ordination of major troop numbers in a live combat zone. If true it has to be a PR stunt. Everything that I know about the Russian military – their intense cohesion – tells me they just would not do this.
From a practical point of view, it makes np sense.
The Koreans are bored: a hype-militarized country unable to wage any actual war, they need real war training and Putin may be willing to give them some of that in exchange for other more useful cooperation such as ammunition. Also a diplomatic move vs China, which is faltering in their role as natural leader of the "Eurasian bloc".
Correct. A 'real life & death' live fire exercise.
Practical, on-the-job training.
Likely drone training, if NK has made a major purchase of Geraniums and the like.
"Everything that I know about the Russian military – their intense cohesion – tells me they just would not do this."
HAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Wait…that wasn't a joke?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/11/01/a-russian-commander-ordered-16-lightly-armed-scouts-to-attack-dug-in-ukrainian-machine-guns-only-eight-scouts-came-back/
I guess "all-dying-together" is a form of cohesion…
Complete nonsense from Zelensky. Russia and DPRK have a defensive alliance; so the presence of DPRK troops in Russia for training, or maneuvers, or for "observation" is perfectly legitimate. Certainly more legitimate than the presence of NATO trainers, advisers, or observers in Ukraine, which does NOT have any form of formal alliance between them. As of today, DPRK troops have not been involved in actual combat; but if they do, and that combat is restricted to fighting in Kursk, then that would be consistent with the DPRKs alliance terms with Russia.
What more or less credible sources claim is that they have deployed in Kursk, which is within pre-2015 Russian (undisputed) borders, an area recently occupied by Ukraine (much to the joy of Russian forces elsewhere, which found the battlefront almost defenseless as result).
The word "credible" is doing a lot of work there. Since The war in Ukraine has been a nonstop cavalcade of lies, more is needed than "credible sources."
Others say that there are just drilling and not anywhere near Kursk. What seems clear by now is that nobody is outright denying that there are NK troops in Russia (not in historical Ukraine in any case).
Well, not sure the lack of a denial is any sort of proof. Nobody has confirmed the presence of NK troops in Russia either. Except "sources," of course.
True. I am also somewhat skeptic but, as the “rumor” is so insistent and nobody is outright denying it, I’m starting to believe that there is some truth to it, much like happens with ancient legends like the Trojan War… well, there was a Troy city and something happened that razed it to the ground, you know, maybe not exactly as Homer (whoever he was) told it… but something did happen.
Well, let’s just suppose that there are, in fact, 10,000 North Korean troops in Russia.
Just to be generous, let’s assume those troops are the cream of the North Korean crop, perhaps all or part of one of its best infantry divisions.
If true, that would prove … well, nothing of any great importance. Allied regimes conduct joint training, etc., all the time. If Finland’s Pori Brigade shows up at Camp Ripley Minnesota in January, it makes more sense to believe they’ve come to train American troops in cross-country skiing than that the US is about to deploy them to Syria.
If there are North Korean combat troops in Russia, and if they are intended for use in actual combat rather than just training, I’d be looking to locales other than Ukraine. Has anyone seen Ramzan Kadyrov lately? He’s been a good little quisling for the Russian occupiers of Chechnya, but if his pancreas finally gives up or he falls out of a window, there will likely be a third Chechen war.
"Has anyone seen Ramzan Kadyrov lately?" Few days ago he was in Kazan where he participated in some BRICS summit talks. At least, he was present at Putin-Mohammed bin Zayed Al Nahyan meeting.
"He's been a good little quisling" – you are not even trying to hide your hatred to Islam and Christianity. It was Kadyrov senior the religious leader of Chechen republic and his son Ramzan who exterminated Wahhabi terrorism from North Caucasus and didn't allow to make of Chechnya an other version of neo-Nazi Ukraine which did upset you so very much.
South Caucasus is also not enthusiastic with U.S. empire and your "values". Previous Sunday Georgia voted for Georgian Dream party which refused to make of Georgia other source of cannon fodder for NATO anti-Russian crusade.
U.S imperialists have a difficult time at the moment. That makes you unhappy.
I don’t hate Islam.
I don’t hate Christianity.
I don’t even hate Kadyrov, because for the most part I don’t hate people at all. That doesn’t mean I’ll pretend he’s not the quisling ruler of an occupied country.
What "occupied country"? There may be only some Federal border guards on Chechen territory on Russia-Georgia border. There are no Russian troops in Chechen republic, at least, last 15 years.
Maybe you don't know that there was a referendum in Chechnya in 2004 where overwhelming majority of Chechen people voted for staying in Russian Federation. Referendum was organized by Kadyrov senior. He himself insisted upon the referendum. Russia was okay for having independent Chechnya, providing there are no terrorist threat from Chechen territory to Russia.
Chechen volunteers to NATO-Russia war proportionally to Chechen population are more numerous than volunteers from any other Russian region. For them it is a religious war.
It is remarkable that many people in U.S. don't like prosperous Chechnya. They would prefer a bloody mess, as it was over there in the last decade of 20th century.
It is remarkable that you continually confuse noting facts with “not liking” or “preferring” one thing or another.
I don’t care one way or another whether Chechnya becomes independent again or remains a quisling-ruled Russian imperial satrapy.
You may carry on with your nonsense. It is normal for "antiwar".
I don’t need your permission.
What is credible is NATO mercenary troops in Bryansk. Russia provided photos of dead bodies and Id's.
Absolutely.
And Putin NEVER lies…
You'll be one of many without a chair when the music stops with this story when it explodes in the mainstream.
I cannot wait for your excuses as to why you were so stupid.
I don't understand, you like to talk like you are a war expert here, yet, you are oblivious to basic facts.
I would almost bet that they're there to learn how to use their new attack drones. (Huh, they're, there and their in one sentence.) Multi-million dollar Predators and the like have been around a while, and it took the Pentagon over a decade to figure out how to use them. Russia and Ukraine have deployed cheap-to-inexpensive FPV drones, suicide drones, submersible and semi-submersible drones, quadruped drones, and wheeled drones to (horrifyingly) effective slaughter. Videos show Ukrainian troops in Kursk ditching and bailing out of intact Bradley and Stryker armored vehicles if they know they've been targeted.
North Korea is very worried about an imminent invasion by South Korea, so much so that they've blown up most of the bridges leading north of the border and mined the rest. (Of course Seoul claims that this is somehow preparation for the North to invade.) I don't know what validity their fears would have, the situation seems very foggy, but if North Korea is learning how to use drones and the South is not they're going to have an unexpected advantage against the South's otherwise overwhelming amount of armor.
Please share some of those videos.
You can search for them on Telegram.
I'm sure you were one of those months before the war started saying that Russia massing troops along the border with Ukraine was not because they were going to invade.
Yes, you were one of those and now, the same people are claiming the NK will not be taking part in this war.
You people are either stupid or just dishonest. Probably both.
You would be wrong; I had no predictions on what would or would not happen back in 2021; I just thought the US government's "predictions" were full of crap, which they were. And I don't know what NK will do, and neither do you, and most certainly, neither does Zelensky. I suspect they either will NOT enter actual fighting, or if they do, will be restricted to retaking what's left of Ukraine's Kursk invasion, although at this point that seems much more like just mopping up.
"Why can't I get everybody else to risk dying in a nuclear war for me? Why?"
Because that's what they led him to believe if he embarked on a proxy war with Russia that has devastated and dismembered Ukraine.
Zelensky is typical of a low IQ group of corrupt retarded people named Ukrainians.
He's definitely not low IQ, he's just a compulsory liar with serious drug abuse issues.
Ukrainians voted for peace.
The leaders were bribed, threatened and puppeteered by US actors.
“Putin is checking the reaction of the West … And I believe that after all these reactions, Putin will decide and increase the contingent … The reaction that is there today is nothing, it is zero,” Zelensky said in an interview with South Korean media.
That's because the "West" doesn't give two fucks about you or the Ukrainian people. Never did.
You always speak my language good wars!!!
Has anyone actually seen those fabled NK troops?
They won't appear until their unicorn cavalry regiments are brought onto the battlefield.
Obviously the North Koreans are using invisibility suits.
Hard to tell North Koreans from eastern Siberians, since they're essentially the same people genetically. You'd have to hear them speak.
They are supposedly 10,000 soldiers… with uniforms… North Korean uniforms!
Right, supposedly, but so far no one has offered any actual evidence at all. No pictures, no videos, no intercepted radio communications, no corpses or POWs, so exactly the same amount of evidence as China’s supposed Ugyur “genocide” or Iran’s nuclear weapons. Just more propaganda.
No, actually the "reports" have claimed they were issued with "Russian" uniforms when they assembled in eastern Siberia. I think its all nonsense, but there you go. The west can't accept that Ukraine is collapsing due to the Russians alone; we have to find another scapegoat to blame it on.
That doesn’t make sense: it would breach the “laws of war”. Sounds to nonsense propaganda, really.
The USA and allies, especially those to the far right, tend to make up stuff as they go, they’re compulsive liars with help from some media.
of course. And not just “some” media; virtually ALL of it,
Which laws of water would be breached? I suspect you don't know what you're taking about.
Do a quick Google search and come up with something. It should be entertaining.
Laws of war!!!
Which part of the Laws of War and why?
You may as well say it’s against the Laws of the Universe just because. You do understand that you have to do something more than just say “laws of war” and call it done, right?
Now, I don’t suspect you have no idea what you’re talking about, I’m sure of it.
Well, at least you’re not asking about “the laws of water” anymore.
The part in which troops must be properly identified or else can be treated as “terrorists” and executed on the spot. The part that defines what is a combatant. Not that Ukraine cares, as they’ve been torturing and murdering perfectly identified PoWs even recently in the Kursk area, but I believe that Russia and North Korea do care enough to at least provide their troops with the minimum theoretical legal coverage for legitimate combat.
They will be properly uniformed and identified combatants.
As I suspected, you don’t have an idea what you’re talking about. But, hey, you said laws of war so you must be well informed, right?
Do you even read the news? Just go on telegram and see the first NK killed and injured captured taking about how they were sent to fight in Kursk.
I hate to post videos because they could be graphic but I guess I need to start doing so here although you will still not accept it because you need to keep the lies going.
Who said what on Telegram? It’s a social network and lots of different people post there, including some photoshopping NK flags into legitimate Russian flag on smoking ruins’ images deep in Donbass. Feel free to believe what you wish, I remain skeptic until the info becomes more clear. Just don’t insult.
Would that be from the same "news" source that propagandized the fairy tales of the "Ghost of Kiev", the "heroic defenders of Snake Island", or "the successful breakthrough at Krynky"?
No. There is one "report," that's South Korea's intelligence service saying North Korean soldiers had been sent to Russia.
That could easily mean training on the other side of the border.
What are the other "reports"? Zelensky's claims being repeated by all Biden-loyal media, who then insert "according to Zelensky" or maybe the more formal-sounding "Zelensky's office."
Now the media even claim to know that the soldiers are elite soldiers. Without even being able to mention what units they come from.
North Korea has denied this story. Even though they'd have everything to gain from confirming it if it was true – showing their isolation was broken. Russia's embassy in North Korea has also denied it. Putin when mentioning the story didn't state the clear denial that the media look for, but he didn't confirm it.
What would Russia gain from having 10,000 Korean soldiers, who don't speak Russian, who they'd have to coordinate with? When Russia has 1,200 new Russian volunteers every day, more than they can train and equip? When they have hundreds and thousands of Russian soldiers already fighting? They'd have to give the Koreans artillery, drones or vehicles, which they already have plenty of Russians for.
And since Kursk is always mentioned in this story – the Russians have Kursk under control. They have limited the Ukrainian incursion and are shelling them from three directions. It's the gift that keeps on giving, with Ukraine suffering 27,000 casualties, dead and wounded, from its best units, removed from the Donbass front which is now crumbling. The Russians have every reason to keep the easily-shelled Kursk pocket the way it is, just like they did with the smaller Krynky, or with Bakhmut. (The Ukrainians kept feeding their reserves into Bakhmut, which they then couldn't use in the summer offensive.) Why would they need Korean soldiers for this?
The only reason to send any North Koreans to Kursk would be to show them how artillery and drones are handled in a real warzone. That would be some Koreans, not ten thousand.
It's obvious that the N.Korea story was cooked up to distract from Ukraine's rapid losses in Donbass. Every day they are losing more villages. The only things slowing down the Russians are mines and dragon's teeth that have to be removed.
Of course, North Korea is a vile tyranny that has put hundreds of thousands in concentration camps. Their spouses are imprisoned for life too. Children are born in the camps and are then forced to live their whole lives in them. Like all communist states it's a slave state, where all are forced to work for the few who own everything. Let's not forget that when we point out Bidensky's lies. It is shameful of Russia to sign a mutual defense pact with the slave state. But they do so because they'll look for any allies they can find, anywhere in the world, after being sanctioned. They'll excuse the mass-murdering rulers in Egypt, Ethiopia and Saudi Arabia. But so does Washington.
They'll excuse the de facto dictatorship in Venezuela that steals people's homes and businesses, that shoots protesters, and that long ago started ruling by decree, ignoring parliament, and any regime in Africa oppressing whatever tribes are currently not in power, and then talk about "decolonization." It's despicable. But understandable. I have known several Russians and Iranians, and I know that they'd prefer for their countries to do business with the West, which they admire. But our current rulers in Washington and Brussels make that impossible.
https://tass.com/pressreview/1862061 Press review: BRICS unveils partner status and Russia ratifies key pact with North Korea
https://swentr.site/news/606867-north-korea-ukraine-support-russia-victory/ You will probably need a VPN to connect the Internet link to a server in Russia.
https://sputnikglobe.com/20241101/north-korea-confident-in-russias-victory-in-conflict-in-ukraine—foreign-minister-1120745372.html
Yes, Yes! The Russians WANT the Ukrainians in Kursk. That's what it is! If the Russians WANTED them out, they'd be out!
Like a child believing bedtime stories.
"That could easily mean training on the other side of the border."
You are being conveniently naive; don't waste your time denying the undeniable. NK just said that is committed to support Russia until victory in Ukraine.
NK troops came to fight against Ukraine.
You people are going to feel so stupid when the NK soldiers start getting killed across the border. They are already getting massacred in Kursk but that will not be covered here.
Stop denying it.
"The Russians have Kursk under control"
Ok, Baghdad Bob.
Mr. Zelensky,
How many countries have joined NATO since 1990 despite the ‘agreement’ with Mr. Baker to no eastward expansion after German reunification?
If Mr. Putin decides to invite DPRK staff to his house and property, it’s his business, no?
Please stop being such a Karen and go about your own business and just enjoy the big party Mr. Putin is having in your own backyard. I heard it’s a killer.
Please make sure to keep the coolers and chip bowls full and STFU.
The Bonapartist Communist Party of North Korea is pursuing a despicable military policy. Its authoritarian leaders have created a hereditary cult of personality and are probably sacrificing their soldiers as cannon fodder for the autocratic president of an imperialist Russia.
https://securityanddefence.pl/Conventional-and-Hybrid-Actions-in-the-Russia-s-Invasion-of-Ukraine,168870,0,2.html
"…why is it that the United States and allies are trying to impose on everyone the flawed logic that they have the right to help the Zelensky regime … and Russian allies have no right to do a similar thing?"
Because it's not flawed logic. Because Ukraine is not the agressor, and the West does not have boots on the ground in Ukraine or allow Ukraine to eliminate Russian missiles at their source, deep inside Russia. Russia, on the other hand, not only has boots on the ground, but fires its own and N Korean missiles deep inside Ukraine and prefers to target Ukrainian civilians, not military targets.
Ukraine wasn't the aggressor. That was the US and NATO that overthrew the Ukrainian government in 2014. Look to the West and you will find your real enemy, or accept the fact that your people are dying to defend BlackRock's purchase of your country.
The West cares less than nothing for you or your country. It's just another resource to grab for Western oligarchs.
"Zelensky and hawks in the US are calling for major escalations in response to the North Korean deployment."
No. The major escalation here is the North Korean deployment. It needs to be responded to in kind, by Ukraine's partners. For now, Ukraine has to use its limited resources to respond as well as it can:
NOT SO ELITE Ukraine has ALREADY wiped out 40 ‘elite’ North Korean soldiers in invaded Kursk – days after they joined Putin’s forces
One of the surviving North Korean soldiers said Russia 'betrayed' and 'fooled them' to fight against Ukraine.
https://www.the-sun.com/news/12798788/ukraine-north-korea-russia-kursk/
Good grief, I will never get back the two minutes I wasted reading that drivel. By all the gods, I have read creationist literature that was more believable. Not even an easily-faked photo of the fearsome NK warrior.
You, know many ancient people practiced name magic. You have very nice medical papyri recounting of this methodology by suggesting endless variations on the exact pronunciation of some deity's name to defeat its power in order to cure certain ailments ascribed to the influence of said deity.
Ukrainian propaganda is in essence something like that. Narrative magic. They keep trying to find just the right words and solve the puzzle of rigging them together in just the right order so that magically reality will suddenly conform to their fantasies.
Someone is in deep kimchi, perhaps actions will speak louder than fantasy and propaganda.
@RandPaul
I tell people every day. Should we be taking care of things in Winchester, Mount Sterling, Lexington, or should we be paying for stuff in Ukraine? We don't have enough money to do both, we’ve got to take care of stuff at home.
10:17 AM · Nov 2, 2024
“Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair”
Imagine who is responsible.
A lot of cope in the replies here.
Ones who were claiming the Kursk offensive was over the first day, all the Ukrainian vehicles were destroyed or captured along with all the troops who were surrounded and crushed, are now claiming the Russians really want the Ukrainians in Kursk, but could push them out any time they wanted to. Ones claiming there's no North Korean troops in Russia, claiming there's no video as if they'd believe anything other than Russian MOD releases will soon be claiming that they aren't dying there and it's all according to the plan in any case.
Do you ever get tired of being wrong? I'd suggest you treating pure Russian propaganda as if it was true or even connected to reality.
Three years into the three day operation Russia could win any time it wanted, right? Why haven't they. Why lose most of the Black Sea fleet and a huge amount of the inheritance of armor and artillery from the Soviets? Spend months and tens of thousands of bodies to take insignificant towns? Why get troops from North Korea instead of just conscripting actual Russians to fight in the war they believe in? Why hasn't the promised wave of elite troops and armor that is being held in reserve to sweep across Ukraine, any day now, been unleashed. Why demonstrate to potential customers in the arms markets that their equipment is decades behind anything close to modern by allowing it to be destroyed by 30+ year old NATO 1st and 2nd generation equipment that for all intents are essentially the things ready for a yardsale? What's the plan in any of that?
It's almost like Putin miscalculated literally everything and far too many people think it's some kind of genius move.
So when does Ukraine win this war?
Define “win.”
There’s not going to be a victory march of Ukrainian troops through Moscow — nor is there going to be a victory march of Russian troops through Kyiv.
Winning a war doesn’t require the victor to march through the loser’s capital. The Israelis won the Yom Kippur War without marching through Cairo or Damascus. So the Russians can win without marching through Kiev.
When the war is over. All they have to do is not be destroyed in detail.
See, Russia has already lost.
They've lost international standing. They've lost superpower status. They've lost being one of the poles in a multi polar world. They've lost most of their arms export business. They've lost the ability to sell oil at world market values and sell to China and India at whatever prices they dictate to Russia. Their economy isn't going to recover from sanctions anytime soon since most to the richest nations aren't doing business with them. They've lost the prestige of being the great Russian bear. Losing almost all of the Black Sea fleet with no way to replace it. Convincing Finland and Sweden, countries that were neutral, to petition and be granted membership into NATO more than doubling the length of the NATO country/Russian border that already existed and making the Black Sea a NATO lake. They even convinced Switzerland, the country that's used as the platonic ideal of neutrality, to form closer ties to the NATO bloc.
For what? Some territory in Ukraine they might get to occupy but never ultimately hold? To be embarrassed going into year three of a three day war?
Where's the victory in any of that? Where's the plan to turn it all around?
I'll say it again. Russia has already lost.
"All they [Ukraine] have to do is not be destroyed in detail [to win the war]."
The French lost the Franco-Prussian war which included losing territory to Germany. France survived. By our definition of victory France won.
Egypt and Syria lost the Yom Kippur War against Israel. Both countries lost territory to Israel. Both Egypt and Syria continued to exist. By your definition of victory, Egypt and Syria won that war.
Your definition of victory seems slightly absurd.
I didn’t say Russia won’t survive. I said they’ve already lost the war.
I said they chose a path that diminished their international standing and geopolitical power, will require at least a decade to rebuild its military if it can be rebuilt at all, screwed up their economy even more than it already was. Convinced formerly neutral nations to join NATO even though one of the stated goals was to halt NATO expansion. They’re no longer a superpower and their influence is shrinking daily.
Where is the win in any of that.
I mean, sure, the majority of the Ukrainian people may decide to quit fighting and give up the Donbass, however the Ukrainians still in Donbass won’t make it easy for the Russians to occupy it and it’ll still be a region thats been mostly leveled, with no intact infrastructure, and covered in UXO that no one will help them clear out or rebuild. Hell, in another few years Russia might take Kyiv and install a puppet government, and then spend however many decades is needed being bled out by a never ending insurgency. Neither of those is a win either.
Where’s the victory?
The subject was Ukraine.
No. It wasn’t. The subject was the amount of cope in the comments here to show Russia is really winning, that everything is going according to plan.
You asked a question based on cope, I answered it based on reality. All Ukraine has to do to win in not be destroyed because Russia has already lost.
You may think you can change the subject on me but I don’t have to play along with your deflection and distraction.
So. I’ll ask you again: where is Russia winning this war? The invasion stage isn’t done three years in. Not a single of the pretextual goals have been met. Hundreds of thousands have died. The territory they claimed is a wasteland at this point. Where’s the victory?
Where is Russia winning? At the present moment on the field of battle Ukraine is losing the attrition war. It is slowly bleeding out. When the Ukrainian army is no longer able to effectively resist, then a decision will need to be made: surrender or continue dying. Whether you think this is a losing game for the Russians is of no moment. It is what the Russians believe about their situation that counts.
You still don’t get it.
Let’s say the Ukrainian people decide to stop fighting tomorrow and sue for peace. It’s not going to happen, but for right now we’re pretending.
What Russian goals will have been met? What strategic goals? Geopolitical goal? Will Russia be stronger? Will any Russian causes have been advanced in any way? What will they do with the territory they’ve gained that is now unusable?
What are the victory conditions for Russia and how will they be met? Will they be stronger on the world stage? Best case is the Russians are looking at a pyrrhic victory it will take decades to recover from. Worst case is they end up being a puppet or just outright vassal state of China. Are either of those a win just because they killed a lot of Ukrainians?
“Victory” and “defeat” are about objectives and whether those objectives are met.
You should direct your comment to shivaskeeper.
You should've been a writer for this site but you wouldn't fit, You are too objective.
Interesting end game is near!
Plus, a bit of reality!
A frank assessment of the war of attrition. Vietnam is another country that won a war through attrition.
FYI, Brian Berletic is a former US Marine who lives in Southeast Asia and contributes valuable information on his video feed, The New Atlas.
Update on the conflict in Ukraine for November 3, 2024…
1. Western media continues growing admissions to Ukraine’s collapsing fighting capacity while producing more outlandish propaganda pieces to distract away from Ukraine’s fate;
2. Several large Western arms corporations are announcing plans to build arms factories in Ukraine including for armored vehicles, air defense missiles, and artillery shells;
3. The collective West’s arms industry has failed to expand production sufficiently even with existing factories and trained workforces, making the prospects of building facilities in Ukraine a non-starter;
4. Industry plans will secure billions of dollars for projects that likely will not see completion or serve any effective role in the conflict;
5. This large transfer of public wealth to corporations amid a failed war resembles the over $1 trillion the US spent on “reconstruction,” building up military forces, and a proxy government in Afghanistan over the course of two decades;
It's the mentality of a child.
By the way, there about 170 000 ethnic Koreans who are living permanently in Russian Federation. Koreans moved massively to Russia starting from second half of 19th century. So, don't be surprised if there a lot of them also fighting in Ukraine.
In Uzbekistan Korean diaspora even greater. They also free to volunteer into Russian army. It is an easy way to get Russian citizenship. Many people from Central Asia using this opportunity.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-11224-another-big-tone-change
When the war is over, common sense, Slavic tensions, and economic realities almost dictate that Russia will send Ukrainian POWs back to Kyiv.