The Kremlin said on Tuesday that a factory in Ukraine that was opened by the German arms maker Rheinmetall could become a target of the Russian military.
When asked if Russia considered the factory a “legitimate military target,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov replied, “Certainly it is.”
Rheinmetall opened the factory this month, and it will focus on the production and maintenance of armored vehicles. Armin Papperger, the CEO of Rheinmetall, said the goal is to produce a batch of Lynx infantry fighting vehicles by the end of the year.
Rheinmetall has said it plans to open a total of four factories in Ukraine despite Russian threats to target them. The other three factories will include facilities to produce gunpowder, tank ammunition, and air defense systems.
Other Western arms makers looking to cash in on the proxy war have announced plans to open factories or help facilitate the production of weapons inside Ukraine. Helping build up Ukraine’s military-industrial complex is one of NATO’s long-term goals.
The US is also spending money to help produce weapons inside Ukraine. Last week, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said the US has agreed to provide $800 million for the production of long-range drones, which can be used to hit targets deep inside Russian territory.
Production in Ukraine would seem to be a target for a Russian attack.
They could aim to make a billion drones a year in Poland, and Russia couldn’t strike.
Indeed but Germany is a captive regime of the US designs.
'Proudly owned and operated since 1945'
Coming to a town near you……..
I'll go ahead and guess that the German firm sees slushy Ukrainian contracts paid in US dollars, and a whole lot of "all European Union labour laws that don't apply in Ukraine", spelling a huge profit reward for minimal risk.
That makes perfect sense.
What is remarkable here is that the Russians feel they need to point out that a factory producing weapons in Ukraine is a legitimate military target.
That should go without saying – so why do they feel a need to say it?
Is it that they think their threat has more value than their strike alone would have?
Maybe for the benefit of the western press, which describes IDF soldiers killed while invading Lebanon as "victims of terrorism"
That would be the western press as in very narrowly defined – like when the claim was made here just some days ago that the western countries supported Israel?
Just asking because that is most certainly not how it is described in the Danish press – nor AFAIK in the French or the German press or the Irish for that matter.
Sorry I should have specified “the American press” (and the toadies in Canada, the UK and Australia). Because that is actually how they report it https://www.instagram.com/p/DBGoR6mNl_c/
One reason is that the question is asked, apparently by journalists at press briefings etc.:
"When asked if Russia considered the factory a “legitimate military target,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov replied, “Certainly it is.”"
You are right – it is this article which is poorly formulated (at least for a non native speaker) giving me the impression that the 'Kremlin had ' said on Tuesday that a factory in Ukraine that was opened by the German arms maker Rheinmetall could become a target of the Russian military'
Whereas what seems to have happened is that Peskov just gave the obvious answer to a (naive?) question.
Maybe it's a warning.
Russia needs to eliminate all Nazi Ukrainians and their factories.
If only they were capable…
How long before Rheinmetall becomes Rheinjunk?
The actual details will be interesting. I SUSPECT this factory will be built with government dollars, no actual investment from Rheinmetall; EVERYTHING will be heavily overinsured, again at no cost to Rheinmetall; the workers will be primarily Ukrainian, with salaries paid for by someone OTHER than Rheinmetall; and the "construction schedule" is very open ended. So why not? seems like nothing but upside for the company.
Rheinmetall responds to Russian threats of attacks on their facilities in Ukraine: The German concern Rheinmetall said that the production of weapons in Ukraine is well protected and this is not the first time they have heard threats from the Kremlin.
https://ukrainetoday.org/rheinmetall-responds-to-russian-threats-of-attacks-on-their-facilities-in-ukraine/
Excellent that Ukraine has protection, a 'Victory Plan', western backing, western arms, etc. all led by the USUK Empire. None of it will help.
Real nice they have all that so that Zelensky can say they tried after losing the war and probably > 30% loss of territory.
Do you really think the Empire gives a $hit about Ukraine?
Remember, the Empire loves pitting Slav against Slav all in order to obtain power and control. Divide and conquer.
They only care to to change Slav into Slave. Subjugation.
Remember that.
Who started this war? Wasn't it the "Slavs" of Russia?
<<<YAWN>>>
Truth is boring, I know.
No! Truth is exciting! Do go on telling it!
Will do.
That can't be. Ukrainian Nazi's convinced me Russians aren't Slavs – you properly write it in inverted comma's. They are Asians. They even call Russians 'asian hordes' – exactly as in Nazi Germany.
Reference the source you're using for that conclusion.
Thx for your reply. That would be more than one source – for the Ukrainians and for the Germans. My list of literature on Ukraine plus context is 95 pages, amounting to some 950 titles, so that would take some time and I'm not going to spend that on that now. So you can write that up to the answers I still owe you.
Some ukrainian nationalists are remarkably interested in ukrainian genes and DNA. They would like to show Russians are in a different haplogroup. That may be considered to be a nazi-ideology characteristic, I posit.
Seems like they're using language to describe behaviors — not ethnicity.
I found some references to "Asian Hordes" but those were found on Subrredits. (Not exactly reliable sources!)
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/3/orcs-and-rashists-ukraines-new-language-of-war
You're right to ask me for sources – I want to be able to present them. I checked two of my sources now:
A. Pikulicka, R. Sakwa (eds) – Ukraine and Russia: people, politics, propaganda and perspectives (2015)
Dan Cohen – Ukraine’s Propaganda War: International PR Firms, DC Lobbyists and CIA Cutouts (2022)
Not in there.
I appreciate your adding of sources to your opinion. (It certainly helps see where you’re coming from.) The authors analyze the situation and give their expert opinions.
However, everyone’s opinion — expert or not — contains biases based on their political leanings. The Maiden protests started because Yanukovych backed out of the moves toward Europe and seemed to his people to be a puppet of Russia. That’s the facts. The West then supported the Maiden movement. Yanukovych abdicated and fled to Russia. Civil war commenced. Those are the facts. How someine reads them says a lot about what they think about geo-political politics. I support freedom and rail against facism. That’s why I support the Ukrainian people in their fight against the aggressor.
RT, you write
“I appreciate your adding of sources to your opinion. (…) The authors analyze the situation and give their expert opinions. (…) However, everyone’s opinion – expert or not – contains biases based on their political leanings.”
and
“That’s the facts. (..). Those are the facts.”
Slick text. I state ‘my opinion’, you state ‘the facts’. Let’s see.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9d0a75fece04c3db033cef090a99c9c9c8ccee6c58c298e62492a99e9db869ba.jpg
The existence of a picture of the President of the Russian Federation as some kind of Mongol-like warrior is a fact.
You write:
"(You know I ALWAYS post sources …)."
Where are the sources? Here is an indispensable author:
Ivan Katchanovski
– The 'snipers' massacre' on the Maidan in Ukraine
– The separatist war in Donbas: a violent break-up of Ukraine?
– The Maidan massacre in Ukraine: revelations from trials and government investigations
– The buried Maidan massacre and its misrepresentation by the West
– The far right, the Euromaidan, and the Maidan massacre in Ukraine
– The Maidan massacre in Ukraine, the mass killing that changed the world
Your summary is too brief, as you leave out that indispensable information. You cannot successfully state that you present the facts; you are perilously close to providing untruth-by-omission.
You MORON, Victoria Nuland (CIA) and George Soros set the shootings up as part of their color revolution and overthrow of the “lawful” Ukraine Govt.
No. This war was not started by an ethnic group. It was started by one or more states.
It was Gladio, the Nazi terrorist arm of NATO (i.e. the European delegation of the CIA). It was them who engineered a coup against the last legitimate President of Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovich, who had the audacity of trying to get the country to be somewhat federal and multiethnic, with a social-reformist socio-economic program and a neutrality and sovereignty foreign policy agenda. You know that the CIA doesn't like Salvador Allende types, Pinochets are much better in their book.
That 2014 "Euromaidan" coup plunged the country into civil strife, culminating in the massacre of the socialists in Odessa, and followed with ethnic Russian majority regions trying to secede. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/75fc9c6a663ece64b45d460646734a82d4121aa1cee6795c995b210561aa72fa.png
Mixing your conspiracies there. Try taking your medications first…
Theories my arse! Gladio was judicially investigated and proven in Italy and Belgium (as well as in Turkey later on) and also to a lesser extent (investigative journalism) in other countries like Spain. I remember well how the journalist who was investigating that bit of Spain was demanded to be fired by the owners of the magazine and how its CEO stood by him and was also fired. It’s no “theory” but “fact”.
Conspiracy it is of course but conspiracies happen all the time two or more people coalesced to jointly commit crimes.
Post your sources and I’ll debunk them. If you can’t, than STFU.
This is one of many, many places where you have no ability to shut anyone the fuck up, and make yourself look silly and delusional by trying to.
Not what I was saying. These tankies jaw all day long and spew the same talking points. My challenge was to put-up or shut-up.
If they had any dignity, they would listen.
(You know I ALWAYS post sources (whether or not they believe me is irrelevant).
This is one of many, many places where you have no ability to shut anyone the fuck up, and make yourself look silly and delusional by trying to.
This is one of many, many places where you have no ability to shut anyone the fuck up, and make yourself look silly and delusional by trying to.
Bleh! Just go to Wikipedia to learn the basics.
Ahhh…EXACTLY what I thought.
On geopolitics wikipedia cannot or can hardly be considered a reliable source i.m.o; on Ukraine it is often untrue propaganda.
For the legal proof of Gladio Wikipedia will get you and the other guy informed. He/she was denying that!
You are correct – Gladio is real.
If anyone's interested in a great overview of Gladio (the CIA, the Vatican bank, heroin, the Mafia, Italy, Soviets, and Communists) check out "The Why Files" episode. AJ & my spirit-animal Hecklefish do amazing work :
https://youtu.be/2k7YTFrmt84?si=SwSlOlFe0uBhPY-A
Saving to watch later. I would add that the big deal of Gladio is not just what we do know about it but what we don’t know or barely suspect: from coercion and outright murder to way too many suspicious “terrorist attacks” and other strange incidents meant to raise fear and intensify emergency law (police state, authoritarianism, censorship). It’s very annoying to live under a secret police regime and being dissed as “conspiracy theorist” (or worse) when you try to discuss this huge problem our societies have.
LOL, how "well protected" can anything be in Ukraine in the midst of a war in which their enemy has absolute air and missile superiority and has proven capable of destroying NATO bunkers deep underground with a single strike?
absolute air and missile superiority?? Bwaaahahaha. The only advantages they have are not having any 3rd-party telling them they are not allowed to hit deep into Ukraine, and not having somebody like Trump and Johnson blocking their supply of arms from Iran and N Korea.
Should I bother replying to your meaningless bwahahahaha evil monologue? Seriously…
That's a complete misstatement of reality; its not that the US is telling Ukraine you can't conduct deep strikes, it's that the US refuses (rightly) to involve its forces in acquiring target data and programming it into missiles for the Ukrainians to shoot. That is, no matter how one tries to spin it, active participation by the US military in the war, and overwhelmingly the US public does NOT want that. Biden may not be aware of much, but he's aware of THAT, and certainly won;t allow it before the election.
And, re "supply" of arms, that NEVER ceased; it continued throughout the budget deadlock. And the USA is hardly their only supplier of arms.
In 2023 a few news messages came through about a NATO headquarters in Ukraine, built 70 m. below the ground to be able to withstand a nuclear strike. Then mr Kinzal paid a visit. Its kinetic energy destroyed the facility.
I believe ir;s a legitimate target and wonder why the german war factory is still standing after all this time.
Is it because the Russians are all bluster with no ability?
Which Russians? What kind of ability?
There are quite a few Russians with quite a few different abilities of various quality.
Just very few with combat abilities.
Perhaps the North Korean can use their 1950s combat experience to move the Russians away from their 1940s tactics?
The Russians are stupid. They think it's better if they waited until we finished building all 4 weapons factory so they can destroy them all at the same time. Their primitive brains tell them that if they destroy the first one now, we may decide not to build the other three for them to destroy also. We would never think that way. They are so stupid and we are so smart.
It's a new thing. Germany, instead of caring first of all of its own people and economy, it's doing "charity" in favor of the worst regimes such as Ukraine and Israel. That's what happens when your "investors" are foreigners and they own everything in your land: your "nation" becomes a pathetic sockpuppet of foreign interests.
The Russians are so stupid. If they manage to blow up the weapons factory, all we have to say is: Russia destroyed another Maternity Hospital with another dumb Russian bomb.
Due to their material support for genocide, German arms factories anywhere are legitimate targets. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68737412
Stating the obvious…
Ukraine's defense industry has been humming along underground for quite a while now. The Russians are unable to touch it, as they are unable even to touch the massive amounts of equipment coming accross the Polish border. Even just trains are too tough a moving target for the keystone-copish Russians.
Fantasy can be a wonderful thing. People lacking imagination are leading severely impoverished lives. Many people can imagine perfectly vividly that they can fly, doesn't mean they should jump off a building with the power to believe. The point being that you can't alter reality with makebelief. Reality has a way of not caring what you think it should be.