Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said on Thursday that Ukraine either needs to join NATO or obtain nuclear weapons, marking the first time since the Russian invasion that he’s suggested Ukraine should get nukes.
Zelensky made the comments while addressing the EU’s European Council in Brussels, saying he made the argument in a recent conversation with former President Donald Trump.
“In a conversation with Donald Trump I said – this is our situation: What way out do we have? Either Ukraine will have nuclear weapons, which for us will be a defense, or we’ll need to have some sort of alliance, besides NATO. But today we know of no other alliance,” Zelensky said.
“NATO countries today are not at war. NATO countries are not fighting. In NATO countries people are still alive. Thank God. That is why we choose NATO, not nuclear weapons. And Donald Trump heard me. He said you have a just argument,” he added.
Later, at a press conference with NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte, Zelensky downplayed his comments, saying, “We never spoke about … that we are preparing to create nuclear weapons or something like this.”
In his address to the European Council, Zelensky referenced the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, under which Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan agreed to remove all Soviet nuclear weapons from their territory in exchange for security guarantees from the US, the UK, and Russia. While the nuclear weapons were on Ukraine’s territory, they were still under Moscow’s control following the dissolution of the Soviet Union.
“Which nuclear states suffered? None except Ukraine… Who gave up their nuclear weapons? All of them? No. Only Ukraine… Who is fighting today? Ukraine,” Zelensky said.
Just a few days before Russia’s invasion of Ukraine on February 24, 2022, Zelensky said that if consultations with signatories to the Budapest Memorandum didn’t result in concrete security guarantees, then the agreement would be in doubt, comments Russia took as a threat to build nuclear weapons.
Wow, so he’s trying to use Trump as leverage?
Life is nothing, without a bit of humor…
;-}
No way Trump gives the Ukraine nukes. As for NATO, three member states have alreaded committed to VETO Ukraine membership. Once Zelenskiy, whose political mandate ran out with his term of office last April and is a martial law dictator, will have to leave before negotiations can begin because Azov Group will kill him if he makes ANY attempt at peace without total victory. Putin has been steadfast in his determination that the Ukraine will not be moved into the West's sphere of influence and he will slowly lay waste to the country until that sinks in.
It's not so dumb an idea that Trump wouldn't try it
If it succeeds, (it won't), he takes credit; when it fails, he'll lie and blame "a Biden Administration policy that House Democrats wouldn't let him override".
Heads, Trump loses. Tails, Trump blames someone else for his loss.
You couldn’t be more wrong. There is nothing dumber than handing nukes to Zelenskiy. Already the West won’t let him use long-range missiles into Russia so you think there’s a chance the give Z-man nukes? In any case there is no way that any US President can give nukes to Ukraine in a way that he can deny or blame it on someone else ‘when it fails’. Trump said yesterday that Zelenskiy shouldn’t have started the fight with Russia and that the fighting must stop. That doesn’t sound like a man who wants to give nukes to the CIA Stooge, Zelenskiy. I don’t know what kind of ‘Cope’ you are using but you need to cut back.
Trump will lose so it doesn’t matter. Ukraine has the ability to develop their own nukes. Putin can’t even get the Donbas under control so he won’t be able to stop any Ukrainian/NATO move.
You sure have a funny name considering how you write from Fantacy Land. I notice you don’t address or challenge one statement of fact I made.
Well, you’re delusional so I avoid engaging those types of people.
Sane people always seem ‘delusional’ to the insane. Why are you doing what you say you avoid? Compulsive, much?
"Trump will lose so it doesn’t matter" Not sure who win the election. What I am sure is that Trump will not help Ukraine.
Офигительные украинцы, с Америкой покончено!
Como, que?!
Voldemort Zelensky is a sad little midget who is now shunned by NATO and the US!
In a way, it’s a classic tale. His lust for riches and
His narcissistic drive to be portrayed as a hero spilled all of the humanity out of him.
He is a desperate man now. Small. Lost in his own bad decisions. I feel sorry for him in a way.
True. Zelensky in the summer of 2021 sold off Ukraine's public land to the oligarchs and to foreigners, a complete betrayal of his election promises. His campaign was about fighting the oligarchs. But of course he was hand-picked by an oligarch and financed by him.
He sold off 10 percent of all farm land to China. He sold land to BlackRock, whose boss Larry Fink is a Biden ally, with plenty of his officials now in Biden's cabinet.
This caused Zelensky's popularity to sink to 32%, same as how Biden's popularity sank. He then decided to be a "war president," a pattern we have seen many times. He had campaigned about peace, saying "I want the shooting to stop" on the border with Donbass. But when he went to the border the Azov Battalion simply refused – a very humiliating video for Zelensky.
Now, instead, he decided to invade Donbass. He increased the daily bombing from about 20 times a day to 100 times per day in the fall 2021. Then in February 2022, to more than 1,000 times per day, even 2,000. As confirmed by UN observers. While amassing an invasion army of 60,000 soldiers to start the invasion and the following ethnic cleansing.
Oh, that last part wasn't official, but that's what the Azov Battalion and the similar battalions, like Kraken, had always dreamed of, and they were the ones who'd carry this out. They'd kill everyone involved in government and the military in Donbass for starters.
During the war the criminals kept shelling the people in Donetsk with U.S. shells. Every time the defenders of Donbass and the Russian army advanced, the Ukrainians increased the shelling of the civilians in Donetsk. Hopefully all those war criminals died when they lost Avdiivka and the towns after it, from which they carried out the shelling of civilians for more than eight years.
But ask fanatic Ukries and they'll simply deny all of this. They pump each other up in their own channels and they're used to the media simply inventing a new reality on their behalf. So they can simply ignore any facts.
Are you sure about that?
https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-gets-leopard-tank-boost-nato-allies-1971237
https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-house-approves-425-million-182804315.html
https://www.janes.com/osint-insights/defence-news/land/australia-to-transfer-49-m1a1-abrams-tanks-to-ukraine
You can believe what you want but your propaganda comes from the real power in America the intelligence machine, CIA et al!.
Here is a frank assessment of the end of Ukraine.
MacGregor has been exposed as a Russian “useful idiot”. He’s probably on Putin’s payroll.)
A conspiracy theorist like you should know that but your blinded by your inability to see through things (even though I’m sure you tell yourself you’re not blinded by any of it).
You expose yourself on a regular basis as someone who can easily be manipulated. You continue to soothe your limited abilities by telling yourself you can see all of the angles.
“There are none so blind as those who will not see”
I doubt the Russian regime finds Macgregor especially useful. His predictions have tended to write checks that their troops’ asses couldn’t cash.
You may know more of course, but I haven't understood mr. Macgregor's intentions lie in the realm of being useful to Russia. His priorities to me seem to lie with American interests. And it seems to to be disagreement about what they are that primarily determine his assigned likeability index, which by the way does not seem to be of great concern to the man.
I don’t care one way or the other about Macgregor’s likeability index, or for that matter about his intentions. I care about his reliability/competence.
The perception that the Russian forces really had this all wrapped up and that it would be over in a week or 10 days was quite plausible in late February and early March of 2022. By September of 2022, pretty much everyone on the planet except Douglas Macgregor had figured out that was no longer plausible, but he was just continuing to truck along with his “it’s all over but the shouting” stuff.
We’re all wrong now and then when we try to predict outcomes. No biggie. For example, when the war started, I expected it to be over in a few days or at most a few weeks and with a resounding Russian victory, just like Macgregor. By early April I had recognized my error and started re-thinking the matter. Has Macgregor ever figured out that he was completely wrong and reconsidered his priors?
If so, good on him.
If not, his predictions on the matter will remain about as reliable as a New England Patriots fan’s motivated reasoning that of course the Pats are going to the Super Bowl this year beacause he really, really, really wants them to, despite the fact that they are 1 and 5 so far in the season.
No, I don't think so. You are not an inept writer and you put it quite specifically in a way as if Macgregor was offering his services to the Russian government and that they then were disappointed by his promises not materializing, this in reply to 'Rational Thinker' asserting that Macgregor is "probably on Putin's payroll."
And that then served as conclusive retort to the interview Douglas Macgregor had with Daniel Davis specifically about the partly unveiled "Victory Plan" of mr. Zelensky, brought up by 'Critical Thinker.'
“you put it quite specifically in a way as if Macgregor was offering his services to the Russian government”
Not even close. Not even a hint of an implication of a possibility. It’s impossible to get from what I wrote to what you claim if you’re both honest and literate.
Well, then maybe I'm not literate. Irony can be difficult in another language. So now I understand you were calling Rational Thinker a liar and a fool in a way that I think escaped him, because he agreed.
It’s not complicated.
Rational Thinker referred to Macgregor as a useful idiot for the Russians.
I opined that Macgregor doesn’t seem especially useful for the Russians.
What’s hard to understand about that?
Nothing can save the neo-Nazi gang from the defeat.
Neocon Ukrainian project failed miserably.
none of the people in our government are neo nazi
and even if they were… did you forget that RUSSIA is ACTUALLY neo nazi?
ah right, saying that doesnt accomplish your goal
Christian writes this garbage immediately after making his profile icon the flag of formally Nazi 1940s Ukraine, the current flag of modern Ukrainian Nazi movements. It's too obvious even for an MSNBC or Fox viewer to see a swastika – although many Ukrainians can't help themselves and even display those, often in tattoo form so a shirt needs to be off – so they fly the red and black flag or use the Wolfsangel or the device of their WWII Waffen SS division (that's a good one, it's blue and yellow and the average American thinks that's just normal Ukrainian patriotism.)
The interesting thing about Ukrainian Nazism, along with those of Croatia and the Baltic States, is that there's nothing "neo-" about it, it's unreconstructed, it stays within families who had literal Waffen SS volunteers [redundant; the SS did not conscript] and has been supported by church and youth camps both in the home countries and especially in the diaspora, in closed multi-generational immigrant communities with special youth camps that have our-ethnic-group-only soccer and swimming pools and classes on how Grandpa Did Nothing Wrong.
People are so into it that they can't have a protest for more American war funds or group meeting without someone giving the plot away with what they think is a fascist dogwhistle. In Philadelphia there was some hubbub over the Ukrainian diaspora bringing the 1940s Nazi banners of Ukraine and Belarus, and I saw dimwitted Democrats commenting in local media "Someone should really tell the protest organizers." Ha! I had to comment, who do you think BROUGHT the banners? Why do you think there's such a market that they exist as factory-mass produced items to begin with? It's not a fringe.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/adce6ded0222aafc93d5c560d569233e44eff5ddb2ae5d468adfdddae5b1743e.jpg
Chomiak Freeland with her blood and soil banner. At the time – feb 2022 – she posted this picture on some social medium of hers and then quickly removed it again.
Also watch the shirt she wears. And the shirts Tyanibok and that fine young blade marching with an SS Galicia signboard wear.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/739cd9c89ad7fd988b4adf1716eb9d7b89d3ddb7ad1c2f2ac7f5315e8d12b8df.png
I'll assume that the 'Cholo Freeland' you cite is the same deputy Prime Minister of my country, Chrystia Freeland (who, I assure you, is a f**king embarrassment to Canada and Canadians) ?
The same politicians that invited Zelensky and Yaroslav Hunka to a standing ovation in Parliament last year.
Absolutely disgraceful.
Agree. Pro-UkroNaziism is rife on Parliament Hill. Both the Liberal and Conservative parties are selling their souls for pander-votes (not much of a loss for the CPC) and the NDP in perpetual 3rd Place isn’t much different.
"I'll assume that the 'Cholo Freeland' (…)"
Of course. See her photo. She is a granddaughter of Mikhailo Chomiak, a Ukrainian of repute.
Yeah, I just blocked him: he's explicitly Ukro-Nazi. Despicable!
Most accurately, he's a Ukrainian apologist trying to pretend his version of reality a) comports with actual reality (it doesn't) and b) isn't simply projecting the demonstrated faults of the Ukrainian State onto the Russian Federation (exactly what he IS doing).
Your life WILL be better without his fanciful whining and falsehoods.
As someone else observed, he goes around with a nazi flag (that’s the Banderista banner, which you’ll be forgiven to confuse with the Anarchist, the Sandinista or the Zapatista ones, a flag that represents subordinated colonial nazism and the Holocaust).
Coward.
Are you calling me “coward” for applying the first principle of antifascism? You may be the coward, the collaborationist Quisling, if anyone, for not fighting against fascism and drawing very clear red lines to what is unnacceptable.
Zero tolerance to fascism and genocide!
Still I think, the term neo-Nazism is more appropriate. Original Nazism was German. Ukrainian nationalists at the time were just a dispensable material in service of German Empire which, according to Nazi teaching, belonged to an inferior race. They never were treated as equal to Germans. That's what makes Ukrainian neo-Nazism particular pathetic.
National Socialists never said Ukrainians were "an inferior race," that's propaganda.
Regarding Stepan Bandera, revered in Ukraine, he was actually put in a concentration camp by the Germans because he and his men set off slaughtering thousands of Poles. But we don't hear that because it would be something positive for the Germans if people heard they were protecting Poles.
They let out Bandera and his men later in the war, to have them fight the Soviets, but STILL they went off to kill Poles again.
They were definitely extremists, but they shouldn't be blamed on the Germans, who even put them in a concentration camp for what they did.
no hitler wanted us exterminated too
and bandera escaped
are you a nazi
"National Socialists never said Ukrainians were an inferior race" – they said Slavs were inferior race. It didn't prevented them to use Slavs against each other.
Bandera got in concentration camp (later they got him out and used again) not because he killed poles but because he tried to get a certain degree of autonomy for Ukraine within German Empire which contradicted Hitler's plan.
Poles also served to Nazi Germany in great numbers. There were more of them in service of German Empire than on other side.
1500+ dead Russians today. I’m not sure you understand the meaning of the word defeat.
Your silly lies can only help you to get dipper in the shit.
Awww…hurt by facts? Sorry about that.
I don't see how your raving can hurt anyone.
But I think I did.
At least you agree that you are raving.
Zelinsky is right. The Budapest Memo is null and void. All signatories except Ukraine have violated it, the main one being Russia. It was Ukrainian engineers who designed and built the Soviet nukes. They could easily do it again, and unlike Russia, keep them from blowing up on the launch pad.
Ukraine's neonazi regime is not legitimate, just as Pinochet or Franco weren't either. Stop defending the greater evil1
Zelensky is wrong.
“The final trigger for war might have been President Zelensky’s defiant speech to the Munich Security Conference on 19 February [2022], in which he threatened Ukrainian re-acquisition of nuclear weapons. As Gordon Hahn has pointed out, there were no western protests at Zelensky’s threat to abrogate both the 1994 Budapest Memorandum on Ukraine’s nuclear status and the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty to which Ukraine was also a signatory. 29”
Your remark “They could easily do it again” confirms that. The temporary state of Ukraine threatened to violate the Budapest Memorandum – if only with dirty bombs. That may be taken to be one of the aggressions which led to the russian armed forces’ military operation starting 22 feb 2022.
Sources of above:
Geoffrey Roberts – ‘Now or never’: the immediate origins of Putin’s preventative war on Ukraine
New Kontinent ( http://NewKontinent.org ) 29 dec. 2022
https://newkontinent.org/now-or-never-the-immediate-origins-of-putins-preventative-war-on-ukraine/
29 Gordon Hahn, “The Complex and Unclear Roots of the Russo-NATO-Ukraine War”.
Dave DeCamp refers to the same in the last paragraph of his article.
https://english.pravda.ru/news/opinion/154164-usa_russia_new_world_order/
So if he gets a nuke, he'll be legally (but not necc. practically) forbidden from more shipments of American arms.
He's also showing how willing he is to blow up the rest of the world for the sake of his little fiefdom, this "bastion of democracy," where nobody is even allowed to vote.
Since when does the US abide by laws? It is not laws that it respects, it is rules. Their rules. These rules are whatever they say they are at any particular moment. The same is true for a concept like democracy. Or terrorism. Or the other terminology out of the propaganda lingo playbook. These things don't mean anything in and of themselves. And they are not established by the presence or absence of empirically verifiable conditions to a definition of the concept, rather they are to be taken as articles of faith, because some neatly coiffured suited up authority says so, and that then becomes a point of departure for further indoctrination, so that the entire conversation quickly becomes unintelligible for the persistent skeptic.
Just hear the guy out. Jeez, it's not fair to criticize innovative ideas like that. You all wanted him to "fight 'till the last Ukrainian"–didn't you?
NATO or Nukes? How about…No.
There are at least a dozen credible sources that deal in truth, justice, and the conservative way that debunk the American Project Ukraine.
The midget dweeb Voldemort Zelensky, he who shall not be named. in true fascist thought control fantasy has been spewing lies since the start of the problems in Ukraine since before he was installed.
Dr Gilbert Doctorow dispels the lies of Voldemort Zelensky quite often.
Voldemort Zelensky is a sad little midget who was born in Russia and grew up speaking Russian. His time is near destroying Ukriane.
https://russian.rt.com/ussr/news/1384121-lavrov-plan-zelenskogo
Ukraine isn't Alaska, but the Russians may know my thought process.
Zelensky is desperate and somehow thought the Empire's minions would sympathetically buy into the collective 'Slava Ukrajina' bull$hit.
The Empire has a very simple plan; perpetuate global instability to secure and, hopefully, perpetuate it's hegemony. This keeps the MIC's wheels greased quite well. Blackguard, Vanguard, etc. eagerly gobble up resource, energy sector, infrastructure rebuild, etc. thereby 'owning' the host country the Empire destroyed. They know exactly what they are doing.
If anything, they owe Russia a cut from their profits for their efforts in helping to soften the ground and giving them all these 'brownfield sites' that they can now develop.
"Either Ukraine will have nuclear weapons, which for us will be a defense…"
No it f**king won't. The moment you have the chance to use them against a major Russian Federation city (using long-range NATO missiles), Zelenskiyy, you absolutely f**king will. And everybody in the West without their head up their a$$, knows it.
Zelensky – Planet Earth's premier bullshit artist. He should go down in history as the champion among drivers of medicine wagons.
One reason Voldemort Zelensky will soon be hanging around lamp posts in Kiev.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump-blames-ukraine-s-zelenskiy-for-starting-war-with-russia/ar-AA1su4mg?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=8fff602fb11c4eefa6b2753ed25b6271&ei=24
Don't knock down somebody's idea before you try it. Give the guy some nuclear weapons, but please keep an eye on that Cocaine.
Agreed with your first point. As for that cocaine, why not be a little more daring? Wall Street Journal wrote that those guys had a couple of good drinks and then dove down with their matchbox to blow up Nord Stream. And they did it!
LOL
Incorrect. They didn't "remove" anything, as if it was their nuclear weapons that they handled. The Russians brought their nuclear weapons home.
The Soviet "republics" cost the Russians a lot of money, which is why there was so little opposition in Russia to the Soviet Union breaking up. Like in China, Britain and several other examples, the majority population ended up paying for the others.
That was also how Russian Crimea ended up controlled by the new Ukrainian state. Ever since Catherine the Great defeated the Tartars, who raided Russians, Ukrainians, Balts and Poles to take White women to sell to the Turks and Arabs as sex slaves, Crimea has been Russian. It was populated and built by Russians, who were nice enough to let the Tartars stay despite what they had done. The communists put Crimea in the "Soviet Republic of Ukraine," as no one thought it would ever be separate from Russia. When the communist regime ended, the Russians kept quiet about Crimea because it was more important to make sure the new Ukrainian state didn't cause trouble regarding the nukes. And the Ukrainians, of course, wanted to keep the lucrative Crimea rather than nukes they'd never use.
But Zelensky has created a false history about how "we were one of the major nuclear powers!" For, two days? Nukes handled by Russians, with the Russians having the codes, with Russian soldiers guarding the gates? Some nuclear power, that Ukraine.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9f4df82b43dcc522b69654fbce893a6ca63bae6a150b04f78b24c758d89a83f3.png
Nicolai Petro – The tragedy of Ukraine
This book is about nationalism as a cause of the war in Ukraine.
It could work as a good antidote to ukrainian nationalist ideology.
Are there ukrainian nazis? A sound method to reply that question could be:
● find at least one good source on the nazi ideology (it should be at academic level, I suggest);
● in it, learn about a number of characteristics of nazi ideology;
● check out if such characteristics occur in certain ukrainian ideology and practice, and among certain Ukrainians who some refer to as "nazis".
… Yes, they do.
the Führer prinzip, a pure ethnic ukrainian population, which may be brought about by force, a homogeneous culture, racism, nationalist mythology, territorial expansionism.
(That's how far I got by now).
Remarkably, I think I read some right before my eyes in this topic …
https://www.rt.com/news/605923-austin-pentagon-ukraine-drones/
Pentagon tells Ukraine to use drones instead of US missiles
Lloyd Austin has suggested that Ukraine use its long-range drones
Whether Ukraine launches a drone package or missiles, the Pentagon will advise as to what explosive capacity by weight will be utilized.
Has Austin given similar advice to Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant regarding the attacks on the Houthis, Hezbollah, and Iran?
One might claim Austin is engaging in semantics or weapons definitions that few American journalists might discern.
Is an attack on a nuclear power plant and oil refineries magnified by missile strikes as opposed to drone strikes–never mind striking civilians?
A frank assessment of how the poorest most corrupt country in Europe allowed a cocaine soused comedian clown, who use to play the piano with his male appendage on stage, to kill off a generation of Slavic young men.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/zelensky-once-more-puts-allies-under
If Donald Trump is elected as president, will the Kremlin avoid Russian collusion allegations by waiting until Trump is in office before discussing the SMO?
A Harris presidency could mean the Kremlin will continue the incommunicado policy Washington advanced during Joe Biden's tenure.
This conflict may drag into 2026, but who knows?
https://strategic-culture.su/news/2024/10/18/the-geoeconomic-drivers-of-sco-brics-synergy/
Pepe Escobar
SIMPLICIUS Ѱ
@simpatico771
⚡️🇷🇺Enemy resources report the installation of electronic warfare systems on Russian reconnaissance UAVs to counter the FPV-SAMs of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
The principle of operation is as follows: the device scans video transmission channels and, when found, creates interference for 60 seconds. During this time, the FPV drone operator loses control.
Previously, rear-view cameras were installed on Russian UAVs to evade attacks.
Time will tell how effective the first version of such a device is. The enemy notes that reconnaissance UAVs in the Russian Armed Forces were equipped with electronic warfare systems fairly quickly.
It should be noted that the emergence of countermeasures was only a matter of time. Now it is the turn of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, in the conditions of the inability of the feeble Western military-industrial complex to supply anti-aircraft guided missiles and detection equipment in sufficient quantities, FPV drones were a straw that the Kiev regime clung to with all its might.
However, even their use, given the pace of UAV production in Russia, did not greatly affect reconnaissance capabilities as drones continue their work both on the front line and in the rear at a depth of more than 100 km.
And we shouldn’t forget that the Russian Armed Forces also use FPV drones as SAMs, which allows them to save missiles (although there is no significant shortage of them).
History has a nasty way of coming back to haunt even those who try to rewrite the narrative.
So tell me once again how Ukraine does not have a problem with fascist politics!
"According to historical records, an estimated 250,000 Ukrainians joined forces collaborating with Nazi Germany during World War II, including those serving in various units like the SS Division Galicia, the Ukrainian Liberation Army (ULA), and other auxiliary formations; with a significant portion of these individuals being recruited into the Waffen-SS."
Key points to remember about the SS Division Galicia:
This was the most well-known Ukrainian SS unit, with an estimated strength of around 35,000 soldiers.
"In total, over 35,000 native Ukrainian soldiers of the Red Army defected to the SS at a special Trawniki training camp to assist with the Final Solution. Another 10,000 defected during field operations. Trawniki men took a major part in the Nazi plan to exterminate European Jews during Operation Reinhard."
Before January Joey Biden will bankrupt America. Latest from the world of the money printing press.
US to pay $20 billion into loan for Ukraine – FT
The contribution will be repaid using profits generated by Moscow’s frozen assets, the paper reports.
The cocaine soused clown midget still fleecing America, once again!
https://x.com/FT/status/1847383034347331947
for those who think mainstream American media is fair and honest when they sell you a lie about Ukraine.
Nukes for nuclear war or just just nukes to start a nuclear war, what's wrong with this comedians skit?
Denial is not a river in Egypt, but Ukrainians still believe in fantasy land.