Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky addressed the Ukrainian parliament on Wednesday and unveiled his so-called “victory plan,” but there’s no sign any of Ukraine’s Western backers will support his proposals.
Zelensky’s plan includes five points and three classified sections that he did not make public. The plan is essentially a list of demands that Zelensky has been making of the US and NATO for months. He claimed that if the plan was implemented, Ukraine “may be able to end the war no later than next year.”
One point is for Ukraine to receive a formal invitation to join NATO, but there’s no sign the alliance will be willing to do that anytime in the near future, and Ukrainian neutrality will be a key Russian demand for any peace deal.
The plan calls for more air defenses and for NATO countries to help shoot down Russian missiles over Ukraine, which would mean direct NATO involvement in the war. NATO countries have previously rejected Ukrainian requests to intercept Russian missiles and drones.
Another point in the plan calls for support for Ukraine to use NATO-provided missiles to launch long-range strikes inside Russia, an escalation that would risk nuclear war. So far, the US and the UK have rejected Zelensky’s repeated request for help with long-range strikes.
Ukrainian MP Oleksii Honcharenko, a member of the European Solidarity party, criticized Zelensky’s plan. “First of all, it’s not a plan. Plan means something with concrete steps,” he said, according to The Associated Press. “It’s kind of a wish list from Ukraine for our partners, how they can and should support us. And it doesn’t look realistic. We were waiting for some real serious conversation about the situation and the strategy, and this is not that.”
Zelensky unveiled the plan as Russia continues to make advances in eastern Ukraine, a reality Honcharenko called “contradictory.”
Later on Wednesday, Zelensky spoke by phone with President Biden, but the White House showed no sign that it supported the “victory plan.” When asked about it, White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said, “That’s their plan, and let them speak to it.”
Despite no clear path to Ukrainian victory, the US still continues to fuel the war, and a Zelenskey aide said Tuesday that American politicians are pressuring the Ukrainian government to lower the conscription age to 18.
During the call with Zelensky, Biden announced a new $425 million weapons package for Ukraine. According to the Pentagon, it includes the following:
- Additional munitions for National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile Systems (NASAMS)
- RIM-7 missiles and support for air defense
- Stinger anti-aircraft missiles
- Ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS)
- Air-to-ground munitions
- 155mm and 105mm artillery ammunition
- Tube-launched, Optically tracked, Wire-guided (TOW) missiles
- Javelin and AT-4 anti-armor systems
- High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (HMMWVs)
- Small arms and ammunition
- Grenades, thermals, and training equipment
- Demolitions equipment and munitions
- Spare parts, ancillary equipment, services, training, and transportation
You can’t manufacture soldiers, at least not yet.
So is Zelensky going to lower and raise conscription ages and remove exceptions like education? Grannies and kids? Then there will be no population left and the empire can fill it with any other demographic and military base?
It’s not over ‘til BlackRock says it’s over and all crash test dummies have been exhausted and sacrificed? Lindsey Graham approves.
Touché ole!
What?! No tea and crumpets?!
i was sad about that too
i think we need mandatory tea and crumpets
Yorkshire Tea.
Perfectly Balanced.
i genuinely love yorkshire tea
It's more like Defeat Plan…!
quite unfortunate
the wars in the middle east are proving a distraction in the fight against Rus aggression
i feel like i comment too much sometimes
i guess math is this boring
It is not a matter of distraction. It is a matter of having lost the war and seeking a way to extricate themselves from the mess they made.
This is why Zelensky stated this victory plan, which is neither about any victory, nor is it a plan, it is rather a crafty ultimatum to his Western backers in preparation of the coming blame game he no doubt intends to survive. There are going to be some pissed off Ukrianians to reckon with.
including me
Well, good luck to you then. There's gonna be a long line waiting for your turn.
thanks!
Another 1400 Russians dead and incompetent Russian leaders. Hold fast!
Ukraine seems to be ready to develop nukes. Crazy but that’ll be a game changer!
Yeah, tankies. F**k around and find out!
https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-pushes-back-weapons-mass-destruction-report-1970957
fafo too long and we get nukes haha
“Don’t FAFO!”
-Critical THinker
For once he is right!
Looks like Harris is going to pull this election out. Putin is a misogynist who will not be able to hide it. Harris will then take him out to the woodshed and beat his ass.
The Americans know how to take care of a two-bit dictator.
Yes it is not much of a surprise that toward the end, the Ukrainians, their Western mentors and kingpins, and of course the helplessly clueless suckers for Western propaganda that they produce with the same causal lawlike regularity like pigs do pigshit, that they would profess faith with inflated zeal. (Perhaps they should try blowing that up and see if it is any good as a wunderwaffen.)
It is the stuff that cognitive dissonance is made of. Believers don't stop believing after being disabused of their religious convictions. Few might start having doubts, but the bulk of them just believe harder and retreat in ever greater absurdity.
[wanking movement]
The claim that the west is trying to extricate themselves from a failed mess is patently wrong – of the people who matter only Trump Orban and a few even less significant leaders think so.
While Putin's goal remains ending the rules based world order – the west has no path to continued prosperity nor even avoiding economic collapse.
Hence continued support for Ukraine is a given. At the very minimum sanctions will stay on and the Russian economy is going to go into a long period of decline.
To get a hint as to just how bad things are going in Russia (already) watch this on how even under massive support/stimulus.
Yeah russia cannot sustain a war long term unless they get more north koreas who’d end up running away or china or iran
but the west is stronger
these people…. i dont know why they are russia apologists. Post-Soviet cope? A hatred of Ukraine? Is their hatred of the West so extreme they must support Russia?
I’d wager that since Russia just does the opposite of the west, if the EU was anti-gay and stuff the 3 flags in Sankt Petersburg would be the russian flag, the pride flag, and the trans flag.
Just sayin’!
Presently the Russians cannot even sustain a peace – their economy is in the (early) stages of collapse. Massive stimulus and still industries are shedding workers – lack of key competencies being the root cause of this. Very high interest rates and still very high inflation. And not least being reduced to a barter system for much of their foreign trade.
No this war has ruined much of their future prospects even should there be peace right now – that even if sanctions were lifted – the chances of sanctions being lifted are very low, even if they agreed to leaving Ukraine giving back everything taken since January 2014.
Look no further than to their new car models if in doubt – the chances that western companies will again invest in production in Russia are very low – without the expertise the Russians should count themselves lucky to be able to extract their natural resources and export them.
even in peace russia is crippled for years to come
too bad americans like em for some reason
Not all Americans not even all Republicans and a small minority of Democrats. But admittedly a shocking lot of the MAGA crowed.
yeah
is there like… a physological explanation why you think?
We’re both europeans I’m sure this problem can’t be that difficult knowledge wise
It is my pet theory that every time, we have had a ‘too long’ period of peace ‘we’ tend to forget how hard it is to maintain that peace (and by peace I mean absence of war between major powers – and yes Ukraine counts as a major power in this context – simply by their ability to resist the Russian invasion in the first 3 months of the SMO).
Forgetting what leads us to war allows especially populists to prosper – making many people think that there are easier and cheaper ways to maintain peace and prosperity.
Somewhat shockingly my own son appeared to be a victim of such thoughts – believing that Denmark need not try to lead on support for Ukraine – it took quite a while to explain that the notion of us being able to freeride on the donations of larger countries is utterly wrong and why.
Given his parentage (grandmother and grandfather living in Vilnius – just to mention one thing) this just goes to show that the danger of complacency and lack of knowledge about the historic context of the present situation not to mention the concept of solidarity.
If we one of the richest NATO/EU members (per capita) do not want to carry our share of the load then why should the rest be willing to defend us if/when we are the ones exposed to the threat.
Ah like Donald trump – saying that the rest of Europe should just do the work
Yeah that is worrying, NATO is not a paying alliance, and even if all of Europe hit 2 or even 3 percent Trumps disdain for the alliance would probably burn hot.
I agree that a peace too long leads to war – it happened before ww1 and ww2 of course (where I hear your country put up a heroic 6 hour resistance). Complacency to greater powers – the German Empire, Nazi Germany, and now Russia is extremely dangerous – especially when those powers all had designs on the rest of Europe.
And it is surprising a kid whos grandparents live in Vilnius out of all places would think that, even in 30 years complacency to russia has grown (at least in the countries not bordering them).
And the answer that rhetorical question – probably nobody,
and an unbelievable thing is
the new guy, Jon Met, is Swedish!
I found out by looking at his profile and seeing the far right swedish junk news he reads
on my profile, it says Urbanise Atlanta but thats because I have friends over there in the urbanisation movement and I like to check up on them
its bad when a swede has complacency to the russians – a SWEDE
As the old saying goes, "A 'plan' is a list of things that won't happen."
You are cracking me up today.
I have my moments; not many, but I have them.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/the-grand-poobahs-not-so-grand-victory
"It’s just more of what we already knew, that the Ukrainian game is all about the Western crony elite positioning themselves to pillage Ukraine’s resources and industries. For instance, most missed this excerpt from ex-CIA chief Pompeo’s recent prank call with Russian Vovan and Lexus posing as Poroshenko. In the private call, he describes how he got his comfy sinecure on a big Ukrainian enterprise:
Isn’t it interesting how the ex-head of the CIA now runs a bank, of all things, and that bank is buying up Ukrainian enterprises? Also, it happens to be a telecom, just like Vodafone, owned by the Azerbaijani oligarch who just bought up the remainder of Ukraine’s titanium industry. Virtually every deep-state elite involved in the Ukraine debacle has got their fingers in the jar."
"Lie, cheat, and steal."-Mike Pompeo
https://www.rt.com/russia/605856-zelensky-nuclear-nato-trump/
Ukraine must have nukes or NATO – Zelensky
The leader has described his conversation with former US President Donald Trump as he promotes his ‘victory plan’ to Western backers
If one considers that bioweapons labs exist in Ukraine, the idea of a nuclear bomb could mean different things to Ukrainian leaders and senior military leaders in desperate straits.
Issue with bioweapons is, like chemical or nuclear / radiological weapons, they affect all humans the same way. What hurts your enemy can literally blow back on your own side.
The US had developed biological agents delivered by fleas and ticks for use in the Korean War. Much of this work was (and is) done at Plum Island, NY. Curiously and not coincidentally, a type of pathogen developed at Plum, carried by ticks, is now prevalent in the eastern US. Traced back to its first cases at a town just north of Plum Island.
Old Lyme, Connecticut.
Lyme Disease.
Voldemort Zelensky is acting like a deranged Adolf did in April of 1945.
Very interesting how Voldemort Zelensky becomes more and more unbalanced as more and more Ukrainian army troops are KIA.
650,000 Killed in Action and 250,000 severely injured for life.
How many dead Russians again?
Do the math 8 dead Ukrainian fascists for each Russian.
Flip that and you’ll be spot on.
America and NATO know that Ukraine is a sinking ship, and the rats are leaving as fast as they can swim away.
Joey Biden told Voldemort Zelensky to wait for the Ramstein conference for deep attack decisions and then Biden cancelled the Ramstein Conference.
Now Biden is ghosting Ukraine.
https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1846939389286367428?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1846939389286367428%7Ctwgr%5E0a6d95913a6a5e448eda8c88ea7a0d3a1a3f0a88%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailykos.com%2Fstories%2F2024%2F10%2F17%2F2277437%2F-Russian-stuff-blowing-up-Will-Ukraine-become-a-nuclear-power-again
Propaganda much!
As delivered by the Russians.
Did you not read the origin of the story?
You should know.