Israel’s expected attack against Iran will likely target military sites, The New York Times reported Monday, citing Israeli officials.
The report said Israel’s initial response to Iran’s missile barrage that was launched in retaliation for Israeli escalations could also target intelligence sites and Iranian leadership. If Iran hits back, then Israel might target Iran’s civilian nuclear facilities, although Israel isn’t expected to be able to do much damage to any of the underground facilities without US support.
The US appears to favor Israel striking military sites as President Biden has called for a “proportionate” response to the Iranian attack, which targeted Israeli military bases. Biden has cautioned against targeting nuclear sites or oil infrastructure, although at one point, he said the US and Israel were discussing the idea of hitting Iranian oil fields.
The US has been looking to control Israel’s attack on Iran and reportedly offered “compensation” if Israel only hit US-approved targets. According to Israeli media, the compensation would include full diplomatic support and a new weapons package.
The US has also pledged to defend Israel from any Iranian retaliation and has deployed more military assets to the Middle East for that purpose. Iran has been warning that it would respond to any Israeli strikes on its territory, and Israeli officials have acknowledged that an attack could lead to a full-blown war, which would involve the US.
They’re looking for a Pearl Harbor justification. Iran’s going to wipe out vulnerable US assets which will shock Americans. Then we’ll go in and ruin Iran… I imagine many Arabs states will be hit too…
I guess who wins comes down to divide and conquer details, who sides with whom.
Amerindians could have defeated early US colonists had the former united.
One could look at 'proportional response' in two ways. One way is 'missile for missile' but Israel's missiles are accurate compared to Iran's. Another way is to go for proportional damage in which case Israel responds with the same number of Israeli missiles as the number of Iranian missiles but they all have to miss and not kill anyone; just like the Iranian missiles. Number two seems kind of pointless; wasting valuable, accurate missiles in a deliberate miss and teaches no lessons to Iran about provoking Israel. I suggest number one only using the most accurate targeting information available. 'That'll learn 'em'.
I suppose you did not see the videos taken that showed hit after hit after hit by Iran, even though the U.S. and Israel had been forewarned. Many rockets got through the "Iron Dome" . Israel has shut down Israeli news organizations so as to not reveal what damage was done. All of the rockets hit military sites.
You are 100% correct. I’ve seen the satellite photos with each hit marked. One injury and very little damage. On just one Israeli airbase I saw 36 hits and not one building destroyed or one crater on any runway. It’s hardly worth the expense or waste to shoot back. Iran has a limited supply of missiles because Russia, who might have supplied them before, is bogged down in the Ukraine.
Iran builds their own missiles, though I don't doubt that they have had technical assistance from various countries, particularly N Korea.
You need to look at Theodore Postol's analysis on Colonel Davis' channel of the Iran strike. The CEP on most of Iran's missiles is not optimum. The one on their best missiles is.
…..Israel's missiles are accurate compared to Iran's……
LOL – racist blather ain’t going to lead to correct decision making
and teaches no lessons to Iran about provoking Israel
You have that ass backwards. Iran responded to Israeli provocations. Real provocations and not made up provocations. Same as the first missile attack. You must be as senile as Biden.
Israel does not do "proportional response" – ever. Or is what is happening in Gaza and Lebanon not apparent to you?
When did the idea of “proportional response” to an ‘act of war’ become a thing? If you attack me or mine, I’m going to burn you down so you can never attack me, or anyone else, again. I, also, don’t believe in ‘proportional response’.
Russian technicians are in Iran to operate the S-400 systems, the jamming systems. Iran also has some of the top Russia jet fighters. If Israel does try to open the doors to all out war, there will be no heads up by Iran.
Iran has enough technical expertise to operate these defensive systems solo.
Uh, no. Russia only recently transferred fighter trainers to Iran. Iranian pilots have zero experience with advanced Russian fighters. And just like Ukrainian pilots could not be adequately trained to operate US F-16s in a real air combat situation, Iranian pilots won't be, either.
The same applies to Russian S-400. Even if Iranian technicians went to school in Russia for six months or a year before delivery, they will still be catching up in a real deployment.
Almost certainly Russia will provide on the ground "technical support" for some time after delivery, both for the fighters and the AD systems.
I stand corrected. Thank you for your response.
BTW in one of your article you had a long quotation from a 2006 Pentagon/US Mil analysis of the IDF performance in the 2006 attack. I can’t find it. It was ‘illuminating’ to say the least and jives with what we are seeing today.
Please linkee or cut and paste below.
And what are these "top of line" Russian jets?
Not hard to find:
https://thedefensepost.com/2024/10/07/ukraine-f16-outdated-russia/
Haha, I was JUST about to Reply that exact link earlier but then I was like, "Major Burns doesn't care about facts or expert opinion !"
That article does not address the claim the Iran has top of line Russian fighters. They don't. Did you read the article? What part of "Ukrainian F-16s are all secondhand, with “decades of flying time already" did you not understand? If anyone does not under the facts it is clearly you.
You’re lying. Don’t you miss bring honest, or weren’t you ever ?
What? This article has nothing to do with Israel vs Iran jet fighters. Zero. Did you even read the article? Do you understand that there are different what are call blocks of F-16s? And the claim was that Iran has top of line Russian fighters. This article does not prove that.
Russia is deploying their top of the line SU35 fighter jets piloted by Russian airmen. Russia is making sure that IAF planes are shot down, and destroyed.
Your question didn't include the Israel vs Iran jet fighters. You asked "what are top of the line" Russian jets, and had nothing to do with F-16s.
Jeez, are you beating me to the punch(ing bag, Major Burns) AGAIN ???
I don’t think Iran will put their planes in the air since the are not a match for the F35’s, but the Russian planes can do massive damage since the f35’s are very prone to mechanical failures, plus the Russian pilots are well respected and can hold their own.
Besides, your question was "what are these 'top of line' Russian jets?"
Indicating you wanted to know what the RF's top fighter craft was – not who was borrowing them.
Ask Jane's Defense Weekly, if you actually care. IF.
If Biden doesn't want Iranian nuclear sites hit, then that means they will be hit and Biden will play the "Bibi disobeyed me" card. That's obvious.
I suspect this Israeli attack will be huge, involving dozens of aircraft: bombers, escorts, and possibly including actual US direct support either via refueling aircraft or providing bases for returning Israeli planes to land at.
I wouldn't be surprised if US aircraft were directly involved in the attack. One F-35 or F-16 looks like another – only the Iranians will know from signals intelligence and the US will just deny it. Then when Iran strikes US bases in retaliation, the US claims Iran initiated the attack on the US.
I suspect the goal will be mostly to try to take out as many of Iran's longer-range ballistic missiles launchers, because that is the main threat to Israel (besides Hezbollah's arsenal.) And I said before, Iran doesn't have that many missiles that can hit Israel, so taking out as many of them as possible would at least make it a bit easier for Israel.
The smart move would be for the Likud to sue for peace. The deal they get today is better than the deal they’ll get in the future.
The Likud is Israelis worst enemy.
Maybe that is empire’s plan? Like Ukraine. The secular population is leaving or has been leaving:
A year of war accelerates ‘silent departure’ of Israel’s elite
Brain drain could undermine the country’s hi-tech economy as liberal families conclude social contract has been broken
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/06/as-war-and-religion-rages-israels-secular-elite-contemplate-a-silent-departure?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
An interesting thought just occurred to me from your excellent comment: we know that israel initially set up Hamas and has funded it through the years to create the excuse for continued occupation and conflict. The thought that occurred to me was that, similarly, the forces of Empire would love nothing better ruling Israel than the most unhinged right wing lunatics to, similarly, continue the occupation, chaos, and conflict into the foreseeable future.
These money masters care nothing for either the Palestinians or the Israelis after all … they care about maximizing conflict and chaos because that is their business model, while peace and prosperity for the populations would be anathema.
They will have plenty of “new enemies” in Europe when Ukraine is abandoned.
https://x.com/aaronjmate/status/1841491773014831558
Aaron Maté @aaronimate
A parliamentarian from Zelensky’s party tells the Financial Times that Ukraine’s “radical” ultra-nationalists are a major obstacle to diplomacy and a “danger to democracy”:
“There will always be a radical segment of Ukrainian society that will call any negotiation capitulation. The far right in Ukraine is growing. The right wing is a danger to democracy.”
(Those of us who’ve long made this same point are reflexively accused of spreading “Russian disinformation.”)
“If you get into any negotiation, it could be a trigger for social instability,” says a Ukrainian official. “Zelenskyy knows this very well.”
“There will always be a radical segment of Ukrainian society that will call any negotiation capitulation. The far right in Ukraine is growing. The right wing is a danger to democracy,” says Merezhko, who is an MP for Zelenskyy’s Servant of the People party.
"more military assets" including national guardsmen and helicopters that aren't being used to save American lives in N Carolina.
The never ending compensation scam…. Didn't the USA also provide compensation to Israel under Obama JCPOA ? U>S participation in JCPOA was subsequently abrogated by Trump/USA but the associated compensation to Israel persisted.
They’re looking for a Pearl Harbor justification. Iran’s going to wipe out vulnerable US assets which will shock Americans. Then we’ll go in and ruin Iran… I imagine many Arabs states will be hit too…
I guess who wins comes down to divide and conquer details, who sides with whom.
Amerindians could have defeated early US colonists had the former united.
Mainly if 80% had not died of smallpox.
True – the Native Americans waited too long to recognize the European threat, and ally.
Israelis always quote Winston Churchill's, “If you're going through hell, keep going” as they admire and laugh. In the past, they put their enemies in Hell. This time… …What's going to happen? …We're all going to Hell for sure.
That and I'm sure the ASI admires WC's "let's just gas the Marsh Arabs" moxy.
😂
But, that's against Israel policy of killing as many civilians as possible….! Or the compensation is now playing a role…!
"peace and free trade with all, entangling alliances with none" …
The IRI targeting exclusively military sites will be "spun" by compliant ASI and Western media.
After all, if all Palestinians in Gaza are "Hamas", then by inverse logic, all military bases in the Apartheid State of Israel are "civilian".
Israel has not defeated Hamas, Hezbollah or the Houthis, yet it wants to open a front against Iran?
The ASI horoscope said "Mercury is in opposition, and your head is deep in Uranus. Avoid peace with the letter H at all costs. A friend born in 1776 will keep giving you money if you attack someone with whom you share a spot in the alphabet."
And Netanyahu put down the NY Post and said, "Holy crap, I might have been stumped by today's 'Junior Jumble' but the Horoscope for (political) Cancer was spot-on !!!"
As long as the sky is blue, and the grass grow, it was the USA who broke the Joint Compressive Plan of Action signed by United Nations Security Council members France, UK, Germany, China and Russia.
And people want to put Trump back in the white house!!
September 26, 2017: Prime Minister Netanyahu: “Israel’s policy regarding the nuclear deal with Iran is very simple – change it or cancel it. Fix it, or nix it.
None of this would happen, had Iran come out having 20 or so nuclear warheads aimed at them if a single hair on their head went missing so would their entire “State”.