Updated at 7:40 am Eastern Time on 9/18/24
At least 12 people have been killed, and 2,750 have been wounded in Lebanon after pagers used by Hezbollah members exploded at the same time in a coordinated Israeli attack. Pagers also exploded in Syria, where unconfirmed reports say at least 14 people were wounded.
At least two children were killed in the attack in Lebanon: a nine-year-old girl and an 11-year-old boy. Among the wounded was Iran’s ambassador to Lebanon, who suffered a “superficial injury,” according to Iranian media. At least 300 of those injured are in critical condition.
“We hold the Israeli enemy fully responsible for this criminal aggression that also targeted civilians,” Hezbollah said.
The Lebanese government has also pointed the finger at Israel, calling the indiscriminate attack an act of “Israeli aggression.” Israel has not taken credit, but according to Axios, an aide to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu hinted Israel was responsible in a now-deleted tweet.
US officials later told The New York Times that Israel was responsible for the attack and planted explosives and a detonator switch in the pagers.
The Axios report said that Netanyahu’s office had cautioned government ministers not to speak publicly about the situation for the time being. The attack came as Israeli officials were threatening to escalate in Lebanon.
According to The Associated Press, the pagers that exploded had been recently acquired by Hezbollah as the group’s leaders warned against using cell phones that could be easily tracked by Israeli intelligence.
A Hezbollah official told AP that the pagers were a brand that they hadn’t used before. The US officials speaking to the Times said the pagers were ordered from Gold Apollo, a company in Taiwan.
The pagers began heating up and exploding around 3:30 pm local time. Blasts were reported in homes, crowded streets, markets, and other areas where civilians would be located.
That's some crazy James Bond stuff.
Evil minds always find a new way to kill. It only takes evil people. Every time on thinks it can't get worth they come up with a new way to kill and more brutal than the one before.
"Evil minds always find a new way to kill" Correction "Terrorists minds always find a new way to get killed".
And who says who is a terrorist? IDF is an undisciplined terrorist organization, Hamas is not. Nelson Mandela was never a terrorist yet the Americans listed him as such for many years.
A man who sings "kills the Boers", meaning people because of their ethnicity-thats terrorist
Racism isn’t terrorism any more than it’s jaywalking or embezzlement.
Fine.But inciting people to victimize others because of their ethnicity-that's terrorism.
Speech isn’t terrorism. Action is.
Hezbollah is a terrorist group that murdered 200 US Marines, and is dedicated to the destruction of their neighbor. So, when a group is dedicated to your death, it is not "evil" to respond; it is self-defense. I realize that many people (like you?) feel that Israelis who don't give up and allow their own destruction are considered "evil".
Two nuclear powers are ganging up on unarmed civilians in an illegal brutal occupation and you cry for the poor Israelis because the abused occupied civilians are fighting back with slingshots. So what, mosquito bites and they cry.
The Zionist Israelis are evil and brutal sadistic people, I have no sympathy for them. They are dehumanized human animals, as brutal as it gets, even their children are evil, that is all they know.
I agree with you except for the kids part like skywalker said.
The Zionists are evil.
But be careful how you characterize their children. That is the way Zionists think. We are better than that.
Slaughtering women and children is their speciality. What an army!
russia reference?
Rachel Corrie, Shireen Abu Akleh, Eysenur Eygi, ….
Are you speakingof Hamas orHez?
Oh right, how forget 40 beheaded babies!
I should not have generalized, there are always exceptions to the rules.
There are Zionist Israelis who do turn their backs on Zionism and when they do many of their children follow suit. And sometimes it is vice versa.
Parents are a big influence, it works both ways.
yes i'm jewish and the modern israeli state disgusts me
the only good things are the food and the architecture and the people
Misguided, I think, is more aptly put.
We were speaking about the Hezzies here.
unless its a clear cut attacker vs defender like ww2 or ww2 or the ukraine war i say (me sacrificing any upvotes i might get with that one), war is gray. Never black and white..
october 7th was an excuse to start the eradication and netnayahu has made no secret of his hatred for the palestinians
him and putin are friends i'll wager
There are three justifications for war:
1. Self defense against an actual or imminent attack, like Ukraine defending against Russia;
2. Wars of national liberation or national resistance against a colonial or neo colonial oppressor. The Vietnam war was a war of national liberation. The Taliban’s war against the USA was a war of national resistance and
3. War to stop or prevent an ongoing or imminent holocaust level genocide like India’s 1971 invasion of East Pakistan that stopped the Bengali genocide.
Netanyahu and Putin are both war criminals, but they are not friends. Putin repeatedly supports independence for Palestine and while China, South Africa, India, Egypt, Turkey and the Arab monarchies continue to do big business with Israel, Russia has drastically cut its imports from and exports to Israel every year since 2019
i think putin only supports independence for palestine because he needs those missiles from iran to bomb us
and iran wouldnt support him if they had an israel supporter as president
but thats just me
Putin’s policy of reducing trade with Israel goes back to at least 2019, years before the invasion of Ukraine.
Russia could do more to support Palestine, But Russia has been better than China, India, South Africa, Egypt or Turkey in divesting from Israel.
Ukraine is not defending itself against Russia. NATO caused the war by expanding closer to Russia's borders, it should have been dissolved when the USSR, GDR & Warsaw Pact were dissolved & Germany was unified under West Germany's government & the Berlin Wall was dismantled.
The Vietnam War was not necessary. The US used chemical weapons in Vietnam, Laos & Cambodia, they damaged their environments.
The Bangladesh War was necessary because Pakistan mistreated the people in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh). India was overwhelmed with refugees & declared war on Pakistan. Nixon & Kissinger defended Pakistan & bragged about dead Bengalis.
I'm Indian & I was 7 at that time.
You misunderstood my point about Vietnam. The Vietnamese war was a righteous war of national liberation fought by the Vietnamese against Japan, France, the South Vietnamese and the USA. I never said the USA was justified in the Vietnam war.
I agree with you that US/NATO provoked the Ukrainian war. But the Ukrainians are justified in defending their country.
We agree that the 1971 Indian invasion of East Pakistan was justified.
What tribe?! I am part Comanche and my ancestor is Quanah Parker.
I think he means Indian as in India. 🙂
I mean Indian as in India.
No doubt in MY mind, sir!
I am Asian Indian. Indians from India are called Asian Indians. India is in Asia.
When Columbus arrived in the Western Hemisphere, he called the people Indians because he thought he arrived in India.
Isn’t that what Hezbollah and Hamas do? THEY ARE FIGHTING FOR THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS. What did the Marines fight for thousands of miles away from home? What did they believe they fight for, abstract freedom and democracy, is that it?
Hamas is fighting for human rights?-not if you are a woman, a gay,or a Jew. Hez not only calls for the destruction of Israel,they preach race hated against all Jews on the planet.
IIt's Actually Israel that is dedicated to destroying its neighbors. Israel had advanced knowledge of the attack on the marines. Attacks on military is not considered a terrorist act according to definition of terrorism unless you pick and choose whom you accuse of terrorism and absolve others.
"Terrorism is generally defined as the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological goals"
Not really. Bond would have infiltrated Nasrallah & his inner circle with the pagers, listened in on their comms for months and then remotely blown them all up, while sitting by a pool in downtown Beirut drinking a vodka martini "shaken, not stirred".
james bond would blush at the israelis
Adolph Hitler would admire Israeli military tech.
yeah he'd be willing to ignore his anti semitism just to get some tech on expldoing pagers
No he would not. He expelled or killed top Jewish scientist and engineers rather them use their expertise to help his war effort.
Good thing you colonists are still weak against old fashioned bullets! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bOaLKMX_pSo
The pagers began heating up and exploding around 3:30 pm local time. Blasts were reported in homes, crowded streets, markets, and other areas where civilians would be located.
In other words, more terrorism.
Pure unmitigated evil. Simple as that. The Father of Lies is at it again.
Blowing up a terrorist is evil? How about when the same terrorists blow up 12 school children playing soccer?
The Father of Lies is Satan. If you believe in an invisible superman, then I have a pager to sell you.
Atrocity porn, Polio, bum torture, … very tricky fellows, I'd say.
how the bandera do you even get pagers to explode in the 1st place my god
You put a tiny big of Semtex or C-4 in them, with a blasting cap linked to an electronic trigger that actuates when the message “call your mom and tell her you’ll be late for dinner” is received.
It was reported they put PETN in the batteries, and then triggered the batteries to overheat, exploding the PETN.
Operatives in Taiwan?
Looks like they got the message.
Supposedly repeating vibrations did it. The walkie talkies are different though. So, maybe it’s a lie about what happened.
yes
I don’t see any pagers in my future. Some sick and twisted stuff going on… Is any of this War Crimes?…
War Crime? Since when is attacking terrorists who have firing rockets at your country for the last 11 months a war crime?
Any thing the Israelis do is considered a "war crime" by "progressives".
No. Not just progressive. Israel actions in Gaza are genocide and war crimes.
Kinda like everything the nazis did?
What a grotesque comment.
The Nazis launched a war that killed 7o million people, and they targeted many populations for extermination, including Slavs and Jews.
Israel has peaceful relations with nations and peoples who do not try to kill them, such as Egypt and Jordan.
In the case of Gaza, despite a history of Jewish settlements that goes back to the Middle Ages, Israel left in 2005. Did that bring peace? No, it has been illegally occupied by Hamas, which is not a legitimate or recognized government; they took Gaza in a violent coup from the legal government, the Palestinian Authority. Hamas is dedicated – by word and action – to the destruction of Israel. Does defending your people make you a "Nazi"?
Israel has left Hamas alone when it does not attack Israel, and they had the resources to make Gaza a prosperous territory, but they chose to plan and execute a murderous attack on Israel.
The War in Gaza was started by Hamas with a pointless terrorist attack on mostly civilians, such as those attending a concert. The War in Gaza could have ended any time by Hamas simply giving up their weapons, releasing hostages, and promising to live peacefully. They have chosen war.
So, there is nothing "Nazi" like in this scenario, other than Hamas, which has ties to actual Nazis, who supported the Muslim Brotherhood in the 1930s. Palestinian leaders from the 1940s – such as Arafat-mentor Al-Husseini – actively worked with the Nazis to support their war aims, including meetings with Adolf Hitler, recruiting Muslims for the SS, and visiting death camps. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini
Peaceful? Why did Israel attack Egypt in 1967? Why did Israel expropriate the lands it secured by the surprise attack? Why did Israel attack the U.S.S. Liberty? Hamas? The leaders were born in the concentration camp, some imprisoned for years without charges. Hamas was asked by the U.S. to run for office in 2006. At first, Hamas declined. Then had their political arm run, and they won.Gaza was won outright. The Fatah saw some dominance in the West Bank. President Carter was one of the moderators of the election, and deemed it to be fair. The Israeli and U.S. reaction? Immediately arrested Hamas political leaders, then began the brutal blockade of food, potable water, medicines that has lasted to this day. Israel has NOT left Hamas alone, nor have they done what an occupying entity is responsible to do, which is to provide basic needs for the occupied. Rather, the IDF has conducted night raids, abducting young Palestinians, some as young as 14. Since 2000 until the date when "time began" on 7Oct, according to media, the IDF had killed 2300 Palestinian children. Potable water restricted, electricity shut off, medicines intercepted. Snipers killing unarmed Palestinians, journalists, UN aid workers. So, who is the terrorist?
Israel launched a preemptive strike against Egypt in '67 because Nasser imposed a blockade,announced that his mission was to destroy Israel,kicked out UN peacekeepers,and brought his armies up to the Israeli border-Egypt got what fer. HHHHAAAAAAAA
Israel’s attack on Egypt in June ’67 was not ‘preemptive’
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/07/04/israels-attack-on-egypt-in-june-67-was-not-preemptive/
Yeah I guess the Israelis just haven't caught up in numbers yet to the NS's in WWII Germany.
but pagersw!
citizens use pagers!
If the Israelis can figure out how to make pagers explode surely they could only target enemy pagers
"If the Israelis can figure out how to make pagers explode surely they could only target enemy pagers" From what I read, that is exactly what they did.
No – they had/have no idea who is near thousands of pagers or who is using them when they hit the switch. Does this mean a world-wide embargo on Taiwan's exports?
The exploding pagers were targetrd at the terrorists. How in the heck do you expect Israel to know who is standing next to a terrorists?
Which makes it an act of terrorism.
Nonsense.
bullcrap.
Exactly. But you're such a moron that you don't know what you just admitted to.
Not according to the BBC https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2kn10xxldo
which makes sense since pagers are often used by healthcare workers https://healthtechmagazine.net/article/2019/06/why-hospital-pager-withstood-test-time
It also makes sense that Israel would not care; evil people are unconcerned with collateral damage.
Only Hez pagers blew up.HAHA
The man shopping in the market in the video was not. How about the child that was standing near him? He was lucky.
Scientific Wild Ass Guess:
Israeli intelligence found out that Hezbollah was working on a uniform communications structure where everyone at or above a certain command level would be issued a pager.
Israeli intelligence managed to either infiltrate the vendor, or set up an operation to BE the vendor so that when Hezbollah ordered 10,000 identical pagers, they got 10,000 pagers with small explosive charges and triggers that could be activated by a certain message being received.
They may have been using those pagers for years, never knowing what was coming. Hell, it’s possible those pagers also transmitted all messages that went through them to Mossad as well, and that the decision to detonate them was saved for a special moment — like right before a major Israeli attack, when having Hezbollah’s communications system down hard was more important than knowing what they were talking about.
Not a bad guess. Tom.
last time they shop at Honest Abe's discount pagers.
the USA, israel and Lebanon are all parties to this Convention
https://disarmament.unoda.org/ccw-amended-protocol-ii/
The Protocol on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Mines, Booby-Traps and Other Devices as amended on 3 May 1996 (Amended Protocol II)
…Prohibits the use of booby-traps and other devices in the form of apparently harmless portable objects, such as children’s toys, specifically designed to contain explosive material….
…applies to non-international armed conflicts as well as conflicts between States, which means that its rules not only apply to States, but also to parties in a conflict other than States….
That only applies to Israel’s enemies.
Israel is in violation of ius gentium which are rules that apply to member states or “civilised” states.
The concept is that you fight within the rules against those who also follow the rules. However, you break all rules against those who break all rules.
So, we could see WMD used soon, not fake stuff but real total war chemical weapons etc.
You can’t easily win if following rules your opponent breaks.
If you notice, Russia follows the rules. Ukraine doesn’t. It’s a repeating pattern.
Yes,when russian rockets hit apartment buildings,thems da rules.
I like that term SWAG ever since I saw it used by Larry Johnson months ago on Judge Nap.
Supposedly, a repeating message (any message) caused vibrations which triggered the explosion.
However, I wonder if lithium batteries weren’t just hacked.
Pagers to not transmit messages. Pager alert people to call, to communicate. What Israel is asking Hezbollah to do is launch 30,000 or 40,000 missiles at critical sites in Israel. Remember the short video of just a couple of critical sites Hezbollah recon drones recorded? Could Hezbollah launch such an attack in the North of Israel, then follow up with thousand of fighters flooding Northern Israel? Could Hezbollah hit chlorine plants in Tel Aviv?
I doubt Hezbollah would waste a missile on a chlorine plant in Tel Aviv. On the entire planet, I know of precisely one person who thinks that’s some kind of major threat.
As a chemical engineer, I don't understand his fixation with a chlorine plant. Chlorine dissipates rapidly and the big Israel chlorine plant is not in Tel Aviv. And the raw material to make chlorine is table salt and water.
Yes,and Beirut could disappear with just one bomb.Would that be good?
But they didn't. And 8 year old girl was murdered. Now, there are reports of walkie talkies blowing up. Citizens are being harmed. It is an act of terror. You can bet your bippy that MI6 and the Biden administration knew of the plans. It will be explained away, just like the magical bounding bullet that killed Eygi.
i never said it wasnt terror it was
Yes. Israel has been leveled. Over 40,000 have been butchered (0ver 700 under the age of one) and 100,000 injured. 90% of their population has been displaced and their country has become near uninhabitable. Hamas has created a man-made famine and disease is running rampant. Meanwhile, Hamas just met with Blinken and said Israel is the detriment holding the cease fire back. Blinken agreed and promised to send billions more to Hamas so they can defend themselves. And here I had it ass backwards.
Hamas and Netty trapped each other,and are getting what they want.Little guys pay.
Sure. And the little guys on one side are being slaughtered while the little guys on the other side stop aid from going into Gaza and defend those who stick electrified steel rods up people's asses. But that's on "Netty".
Since when has the use of the word terrorist(s) been dependent on which side is using the term ? Since at least when we armed the freedom fighters in Afghanistan when the Soviets invaded, but somehow they suddenly turned into terrorists when we invaded, that's when.
The Soviets were provoked by our actions arming and encouraging what became Al-queda to invade the Soviet Union. Brzenzski admitted to cajoling Carter to arm the Afghans to get the Soviets to take the bait, thereby giving the Soviets their Vietnam. Al-queada lives in its child, ISIS.
Israel was the first modern terrorist state in the region and was established by terrorists .
• Yitzḥak Shamir (PM 1983–84 and 1986–92) was a former leader of the Israel Freedom Fighters (Stern Gang). It readily admitted to having carried out terrorist attacks. In 1948, its activist members became part of the IDF.
• Yigal Allon, Acting PM of Israel, was a commander of the Palmach, the elite fighting force of an underground army of the Jewish community which became the IDF in 1948.
• Menachem Begin, Israel’s sixth PM, was a commander of Irgun, described as a terrorist organization by the UN, the UK, the US and in Western media. It was the predecessor to the Likud Party which, since 1977, has led or been part of most Israeli governments.
• Meir David Kahane, founder of the far-right Israeli political party Kach (once listed in the US as a terrorist organization) was an Orthodox rabbi and ultra-nationalist politician. He served one term in Israel’s parliament (Knesset) before being convicted of acts of terrorism
We’re witnessing the power of nationalism. Iran lacks the autarchy to compete here.
That was 76 years ago. There is no question that terrorists acts were done in 1948 war on both sides. Anyone who studied that period knows that.
I bet the same technology can be applied to phones.
Sure.
Supposedly explosives were implanted, but maybe not.
i'd say so but im just an idiot Ukrainian waging genocide against the dirty russians in the Donbass
/s
There’s no reason it couldn’t be applied. But phones are less accessible.
Hezbollah is full of idiots. That is their problem. War crimes? Maybe it is but who cares. There are losers and winners, that is all what does matter.
Hard line cynic Mikhailovich?…
It technically is, but if we see more rule breaking we could see all the rules broken.
The idea of ius gentium is those who follow the rules fight those who also follow the rules fairly. Those outside face and use total war.
Total war means WMD, everything goes.
In western civilization (Zionists also belong to it) there are two sets of rules: one for themselves, and one for those who don't belong to their civilization.
That’s a complicated statement, but part of my response is Russia is also Christian. Russia isn’t somehow different historically only currently.
Russia is Christian, The West is Judeo-Christian. Russia was influenced by The West. The West also was influenced by Russia. However they are different civilizations.
There’s no such thing as Judeo-Christian.
I think, Judeo-Christian is a correct description.
If it weren’t for Stalin and Putin, Russia would be that way.
The French Revolution “freed” Jews. Other events are significant. Russia has similar events like the fall of the USSR.
The Scofield Reference Bible was one tool of tricking “Evangelicals” who lacked a tradition to guide them, as the Orthodox have.
Many parts of the history I’ve forgotten or never learned, but the path to power isn’t pretty or “fair.”
And terrorism, of course. But only if someone other than the Israelis (or the US for that matter) do it.
It doesn't help that pagers are still commonly used in healthcare. https://healthtechmagazine.net/article/2019/06/why-hospital-pager-withstood-test-time
which explains why there are now four dead healthcare workers (in addition to two kids) https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2kn10xxldo
Who uses pagers these days? Answer, Terrorists. I wonder if they were under warranty?
What call back number did they leave?
1-800-Blowup.
1-800-help
They started using them to avoid monitoring by the IDF by way of cell phones.
and that sadly backfired
Now what are they going to use? Smoke signals. LOL
You think its funny, but that's kind of how it works in wars of liberation. The technologically advanced oppressor arrogantly out smarts himself. Godless Israelis are so impressed with what they think are their super human capabilities, only to be defeated and cry blood of tears in the end.
This is not a war of liberation. It is a war between Israel and a Lebanon terrorists group.
Or between Israeli master race terrorist groups and Lebanon.
No. They will use pagers that are reliably not infused with explosives. Most definitely, pagers will no be purchased if them come from Taiwan or any Western affiliated company.
It does not matter what they use, there will be a mistrust in any device.
A rare reply to myself. I was wrong, they trusted two way radios. Ops, they just blew up.
Special Ops, they just blew up?
Doctors and medical professionals, fire fighters and first responders all use pagers, fool.
Thanks Scipio, I had to upvote you, though I wouldn't have said "fool" even though he is very annoying.
🙂
Me either. I would have called him a fucking moron.
Once again, can not make a comment without the f word. The f word the language of the uneducated.
And yet I can write sentences without multiple spelling and grammatical errors. FUCK. FUCK. FUCK. FUCK.
LOL, ok you got me. For us people of faith this beyond our boundaries. 🙂
"Who uses pagers these days? Answer, Terrorists."
So, you are saying the Israelis use pagers?
Interesting.
A lot of civilians and children have been injured in this lates round of "self defense" from Israel. More tech being used for the betterment of mankind…how long before this malware attack technology is figured out elsewhere. All the phone companies must be cringing at the thought of the average sheeple not carrying their devices around anymore due to fear of attack.
Now I'm worried about my cell phone. I think I'm going to stop carrying it around. Call me on my land line.
nevermind the people who have teslas/electric cars
It probably gives you cancer anyway.
And don't open any letters.
I defy anyone to name one strategic or operational benefit that an increasingly desperate Israel has achieved from this terrorist stunt, apart from PR/hot air.
Has Hezbollah been damaged? No.
Has Israel been strengthened? No.
This wasn't a "clever" move by Israel. "Clever" would be using these pagers to wipe out Hezbollah's leadership group. Or (say) using these pagers to listen in on Hezbollah comms.
Instead all they've "achieved" is killing a handful of people & wounding many, including innocent men women and kids in shopping malls and cars.
That's not "clever" or "smart". It is in fact quite stupid. Hezbollah remains extremely strong and the Lebanese will rally around them after this stunt.
That attack was calculated to sow fear and confusion. Hezbollah lost confidence in cell phones and now they have to worried about exploding pagers. Did the attack destroy Hezbollah? No, but it did damage them. Now every Hezbollah fighter regardless of their position in the organization has to worried that they might be next. They also has to worried about just who they can trust as clearly inside information was used in this attack.
Also, Hezbollah has to figure out a new communication system.
See General Riper and the Millennium Challenge 2002 military exercise for creative alternatives ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002 ).
If I’m about to launch a large attack and I can temporarily cripple my opponents’ communications ability right before, why wouldn’t I do that?
..because you're not a warmonger?
They just took over 2000 enemy fighters out of action right before a major war. I'm sure most will recover from their injuries, but not in time to fight right now.
how the bandera do you make pagers explode?
Even the Rus' couldn't figure that one out
I am guessing that AI was used, maybe we should ask Musk to unravel this puzzle?
Yeah Elon would have wet dremas to that sort of stuff…
That is a good question. My guess, and it just a guess, they got a hold of pagers before they went in to use and added a small amount of explosives which were trigger by a special message.
The U.S. has admitted the pagers came from a company in Taiwan. Who was the middleman? Did D.C. know about the plan? Will Hezbollah now take of the gloves and hit critical sites in Israel? Such as chlorine and ammonia plants?
Hezbollah is damaged so it is unlikely that will do anything in the near future. And as I tried to explain to you more than once hitting a chlorine plant will only stop productions for a very short period of time. Don't believe me, look up production of chlorine via Hooker cells, Also take a few minutes to google and locate those factories.
Biden and Nutty Yahoo would say Israel did not cause the pagers to explode and would blame it on suicide bombers.
A sign of desperation…!
And that is desperation how?
Peace is the way to a good future for all of us Tim.
"the pagers were ordered from Gold Apollo, a company in Taiwan." Question?: Did we (CIA) know about this? Question?: Is this considered an act of terror?
Did the CIA know about it? Maybe. Did the CIA help? Maybe. Is that an act of terror? No. Not at all.
You did see the explosion video right? In a store! You do know an 8 year old girl was killed? You do know that from the year 2000 to 7Oct the IDF killed 2300 Palestinians children, right? You do know that the names of the 710 babies killed by the IDF were revealed, right?
Tim has the conscience of a Himmler.
Funny and thanks Rightster!
One civilian killed in a combat operation does not make it a terror attack. French civilians died on D-day, does that make D-day a terror attack. The rest of your comment has nothing to do with this act.
It's terrorism. If Hezbollah had done to Israel then Israel and the US would be screaming this was a despicable terrorist attack. You know this so.
How is killing or wounding soldiers terrorism? It is not. These guys chose to join in the Israel/Gaza war. That war had nothing to do with Lebanon. They deserve what they got.
Non-combatants were injured or killed. The targeting was indiscriminate. That makes it terrorism. As I commented in my previous posting, if Hezbollah had done this to Israel, you would be howling that it was terrorism. You are a hypocrite and therefore unworthy of respect.
No the targeting was precise. If you use a Hezbollah pager, meaning you were a member, you were the target. Did non combatants get hurt, yes. But that happens in war. Your last statement is ridicules. If the situation was reverse I suspect you would be praising how brilliant Hezbollah is. That would make you an hypocrite.
But if you want to go on a hypocrite patrol, just count how many commentors call Israel attack on Gaza genocide while justifying Hamas Oct 7 attack. They usually start out with "history did not start on Oct 7" and proceed to justify Hamas Oct 7 attack.
“Did non combatants get hurt, yes. But that happens in war.”
And the people who hurt them are responsible for hurting them.
If this same ploy had been carried out by Hezbollah against Israel, you would call it terrorism. You should understand that Israel no longer has any moral standing in the eyes of the world, just in the eyes of Israel’s bigoted and morally blind supporters. If you support Israel you support terrorism.
Precise my ass. There is no way Israel had a clue where they might be when they detonated them 5 months later. And they didn't care because that's how terrorists roll.
Hamas carried out a MILITARY raid. Israel was heavily fortified at the border with Gaza with military installations, bases and personnel. All to protect illegal settlers living on land belonging to those very same Gazans. In addition to the military personnel killed on that day which was admitted by Israel, it turns out that many many more were killed by Israel itself. There were those who were killed in the crossfire. And if there were revenge attacks by 20 year old Gazans who broke out of the prison, it wasn't a policy of Hamas. Its wrong but understandable.
This is big psychological blow to Hezbollah. Before today Hezbollah was all confident that they could handle Israel in an all war. They are not so confident after today. And how is recruiting going to go? Come to Hezbollah and Israel might just blow your leg off while you are shopping.
"Come to Hezbollah and Israel might just blow your leg off while you are shopping."
See what you did there? You previously said Israel precisely targeted Hezbollah. I guess Hezbollah shops in stores by themselves.
There seems to be a lot of projecting going on here. Its the Israelis who have been experiencing psychological blows. I don't think you grasp the enormity of how many Palestinian, Lebanese, Yemeni, Jordanian and Iraqi youth have been recruited into the ranks of the resistance this past year. For every "terrorist" Israel kills dozens pop up in their place until Israel is all gone.
Israel engaging in State terrorism.
It is very Israeli.
Killing or wounding enemy combats is not terrorism.
Then Oct 7th wasn't terrorism. Right?
Bibi is trying so hard to get some shit started.
Exactly, and he doesn't care how many innocents are murdered to keep his ass out of prison.
If he were hanged via the Hague, I'd say the historical parallel with Nazi Germany would be satisfied.
Sounds to me like pimp technology and usage in Lebanon is decades behind. Sorry. I know all this is serious as a heart attack.
It looks like the aim was as much collateral damage as possible, a war against unarmed civilians. No rules of war are respected, not even the Red Cross emblem for health care providers, ambulances, schools, and hospitals, nothing. They even bomb tent refugee camps.
No, the aim was to cause fear and confusion with the terrorists. Any civilians that were hurt were true collateral damage.
Collateral damage does create fear.
Who is the terrorist?
Hezbollah is the terrorists.
Israel has not been for 75 years? Night raids. Purposely shooting children (reported by Dr. Perlmutter, Jewish doctor who volunteered in Gaza). Bombing "safe zones". Cutting off food, electricity, medicines. And where did the polio virus comes from?
More defensive is the point.
If so, they should take notes on how real terrorism is done by mimicking what Israel does.
Terrorism isn't allowed even IF you're fighting terrorism. Blowing up pagers is the ultimate in terrorism. And there is no such thing as collateral damage when terrorism is involved.
It isn’t “terrorism” at all, let alone “the ultimate in terrorism.” It fails the “terrorism” definition on both targeting (terrorism targets civilian non-combatants; the pagers were bought specifically by and for combatants) and objective (the point of terrorism is to create a climate of terror among civilians; the point of this operation was to disrupt an enemy communications network).
What took you so long? I figured you would have replied to my original comment. I go by Websters definition not the made up definition that makes the complete disregard for innocent human life acceptable. Tell me Israel didn't know beyond a shadow of a doubt that they would be killing "civilian non-combatants" especially after what they've done in Gaza. It reminds me when Obama killed al-alwaki (sp?) and said he was an "imminent" threat.
The Webster’s definition: “The act of terrorizing, or state of being terrorized; a mode of government by terror or intimidation.”
Blowing up combatants’ communications devices matchest that definition neither in terms of method nor objective.
Sure, using the word “terrorism” can be rhetorically effective versus anything and everything you don’t like, but there’s usually someone like me around to point out that it’s horseshit.
terror: 1: a state of intense fear. 2: that inspires fear. 3: violent or destructive acts committed to intimidate a people or government.
terrorism: 1: the systematic use of terror esp. as a means of coercion.
terrorize: 1: to fill with terror. 2: to coerce by threat or violence.
Right, I used the word terrorism because I don't like something. And planting explosives in pagers 5 months ago and then detonating them is how everyone in wartime tries to destroy their enemy's communication devices. Speaking of horseshit, that's a pile you just spewed.
Everyone in wartime destroys their enemies’ communication devices in any way they can.
Five months after planting explosives? You don't think that is just a tad reckless and means Israel really didn't give a shit who was killed in the process? I can't see how that isn't terroristic in nature.
"I can't see how that isn't terroristic in nature." Your statement is correct: you can't see it. But a person like Tom who is an ex-Marine understands the importance of military communications and understands the value in destroying communication systems. And what don't understand is just because a civilian get killed in a combat operation the operation is not an act terrorism or and act of genocide.
And I'm ex-Army who was the RTO of my platoon. Big fucking deal. It doesn't take a former military man to see that planting explosives in pagers and detonating them 5 months later would be considered terrorism by any of the US/Israel perceived enemies if they had done something similar. And not having a clue where those pagers might be 5 months later when they were detonated couldn't be considered anything BUT terroristic in nature.
Not having a clue / no caring where an explosive device issued to an enemy combatant happens to when it goes off is the exact opposite of terrorism.
Unless you are actively and intentionally targeting civilian non-combatants you’re not doing terrorism. You may be doing something equally criminal or evil, but you’re not doing terrorism.
Your line is precisely the same as the bullshit US regime line that those attacking US troops in occupied Iraq were “terrorists.”
Unless you are actively and intentionally targeting civilian non-combatants you're not doing terrorism.
When you know you are going to kill civilians, you are intentionally killing civilians. Planting explosives in pagers and detonating them 5 MONTHS LATER can only be described as intentionally killing civilians. Not knowing who they might be doesn't change that. Now, If Israel had just planted the explosive laden pagers and were quite sure that the enemy was in possession of them before detonation, you might have an argument. The collateral damage bullshit excuse then would have least been plausible.
Not giving a shit who is killed in the process is evil.
But it’s not rape, armed robbery, or terrorism.
Words mean things.
I can't believe you buy into that bullshit. Terrorism is terrorism. It can't be categorized to mean only certain people are terrorists while doing the same thing as non-terrorists. Do you actually think if Hamas or Hezbollah did something similar that DC and Tel Aviv wouldn't be SCREAMING terrorism.
It’s a war crime though.
It might be.
But not all war crimes are “terrorism.”
I didn’t use the terrorism word. It would be terrorism if attacking civilians.
It violates the rules of war.
I wonder what explodes next… Two attacks, now.
What rule was violating in killing or hurting enemy combatants?
There’s some sort of “occ” file that’s offered as a download at this site, on this page and some other pages.
It’s a pop up that attempts to download a file. I have block pop ups turned on, but it’s something similar. It seems to affect every page where replies can be made.
I'm not sure what you're referring to.
I’m using an old iPad. When I try to read an article or reply to a post, a pop up, probably malware, attempts to download “occ” file, a file named “occ”.
I don’t think it’s an issue on my iPhone. I did reset my iPad to test it, and the problem is with your website. No question.
If by “my web site,” you mean Antiwar.com, I’ll pass that along so our tech guys can have a look.
If by “my web site” you mean Disqus, it will take longer to be addressed but I’ll also pass it along.
Antiwar
I’ll post a screenshot
No need. It’s not site-specific.
https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupport/comments/1fk1j5r/sketchy_ipad_safari_popup/
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255762946?sortBy=rank
I can only reproduce it at the site when I log into discus and attempt to reply on the site itself.
My newer iPhone seems to not get the pop up, but I’m afraid to test it. It’s designed to easily get you. I don’t want my phone hacked.
Explain how attacking enemy combats is a war crime?
Attacking enemy combatants with, say, sarin is a war crime.
I’m not sure whether, or if so how, blowing up enemy combatants’ communications devices remotely constitutes a war crime, but I’m open to the possibility if someone wants to cite the provision of the laws of warfare it violates.
When they don't have a clue where those pagers are? You keep talking like Israel knew exactly where each and every one of those pagers ended up 5 MONTHS LATER. This wasn't some communication center that was known to be being used by the military. They didn't give a fuck who was killed.
When you plant explosives in pagers and you detonate them 5 months later not knowing or giving a flying fuck where they might be. How's that?
Oh please. This is a textbook example of creating fear in the population. You can’t seriously sit at the table in an intelligent conversation and claim not.
Only one who have fear that their pagers will blow up are people using Hezbollah supplied pagers. The other pagers don't explode and very few people use pagers.
For hospitals, “Pagers remain the backbone of communication” https://www.npr.org/2023/12/15/1219737658/why-do-doctors-still-use-pagers
So what? Hezbollah are all doctors? LOL
The fact that fear is created doesn’t make something terrorism. It is the intent to create fear, rather than some other objective, that makes an act terrorism.
If I rob a bank, my intent is to get money. If you are a customer who happens to be there, you may feel terrorized. But my crime isn’t terrorism, it’s armed robbery.
If the civilians of the population feel terrorized by it, it is a terrorist action. Whether you feel terrorized by it or not has no bearing on the reality. It also has very little military gain unless Israel invades right now. It angers the enemy – which is only good if you actually kill them – increases recruitment and determination. And if Mossad had been spying on communications, they’ve now lost that edge.
“If the civilians of the population feel terrorized by it, it is a terrorist action”
Incorrect. Whether an action is terrorist or not is a function of the attacker’s intent, not the feelz of whoever happens to care one way or another.
Tom, you are correct. Attacking a communication network and killing or hurting combats is not terrorism. In acts wars, civilian get killed. In WW2 10,000 French civilian railroad workers were killed when the US and Britain went after the rail system in months before D-day. Bombing that system was not an act of terrorists.
as opposed to "untrue" collateral damage?
It’s like poking an ant hill. We’re told that neither side wants war, but Israel wants war.
Tragic
So, so, many Hezbollah operatives lost their balls.
they also lost the ability to use cellphones and now, pagers.
what next? Pens? (Click once to trigger and twice to detonate according to Q..)
It is getting apparent that shooting rockets at Israel is a ball busting, thankless job..
Cute. Now if Hezbollah had done the same to Israel, turds like you would be screaming HOLOCAUST!
No, that is your strategy. Kill a terrorists and it "genocide" time.
Man, you really should shut the fuck up. You embarrass yourself.
Some people may listen and respond to crap artists like you, but I tend toward filtering out noise.
Ethan, friend and brother:
Folks here want WORLD PEACE! NOT WORLD WAR!
Folks, sometimes I enjoy reading the discussions. Sometimes I learn something and sometimes I like the healthy jokes. What I don't appreciate and I hope that we can collectively improve when it comes to facts and rejecting double standards. For example, someone said Hezbollah was a terrorist organization because they killed over 200 US marines. That's faulty reasoning. Killing military is not terrorism and did that person fail to mention they were killed on Lebanese soil? Furthermore, we have to use equal standards. So if Mexico occupies Texas and the Chinese come in with troops to support them and keep the peace, Americans shouldn't attack the Chinese because that would be terrorism?
Second, I don't like Putin and hate Russian intervention in Syria and what they did to Chechnya, and other aggressions. However, the war on Ukraine is not a war of aggression. Now, how Russia conducts the war is a different issue. If they commit war crimes that's wrong. The initial attack on Ukraine was justified for many reasons. Back in the 90's Clinton deceived the Russians promising not to expand NATO for decades NATO has been creeping closer and closer to Russia. Ukraine was a red line for the Russians.
Finally, the Israelis and their ever growing desperation and depravity. Some think they are super human, James Bond like, and others are making jokes at the expense of the Lebanese who died and were wounded in this pager attack. Most Jews running the state of Israel don't even believe in God and yet they occupy a land supposedly given to them by that God that doesn't exist. The technologically advanced oppressor arrogantly out smarts himself. Israelis are so impressed with what they think are their super human capabilities, only to be defeated and cry tears of blood in the end.
I really enjoy your writings Ashraf, very much!
Thank you DV but I can't take credit for pursuing fairness. I thought people of faith and even those without any faith aspire to basic human notions of justice, equality, decency etc.
Thank you DV. It looks like my original reply to you was deleted.
Did they come by the way of the UAE?
If the pagers were manufactured and came from Taiwan, is Taiwan involved with this? How would Israel insert explosives into pagers coming from Taiwan?
Unlikely.
I believe most things can be corrupted.
With the far far Left government of Taiwan, probably.
What would Israel's apologists do or how would they react if this was done to Israel's military personnel. There would be an outcry to attack! Israel does it and it's business as usual, move on there's nothing to see!
If your dream came true, Israel would go to work a pound the heck out of the attacker.
Unlike the oaf in TelAviv, Hezbollah is unlikely to lash out indiscriminately so that Bibi can cry his crocodile tears and get Uncle Joe to come and crush his enemies.
Pepe Escobar
@RealPepeEscobar
THE MOSSAD-MI6 CONNECTION
This is deliciously intriguing; it comes from a very well-informed Russian intel source.
So the story goes that the head of MI6 Richard Moore ordered his spooks – in Hungary – to put explosives in the pagers in case Hezbollah got "out of control”.
But" among the English T.E. Lawrence," there were not only friends of Israel but also enemies of Moore. They handed over the alarm code to the Mossad. So, "without hesitation, they neutralized all of Moore's agents with one blow."
This might indeed be directly linked to the British nest of spiders. There won’t be a smoking gun, of course. What is already happening is the whole Brit press hysterically stating this was just a tricky Mossad op – and MI6 was not involved at all.
"This is how the legend of the omnipotence of the Mossad” continues.
Worth the read! Great post!
I reiterate again:
1) these were not lithium batteries heating up; the pagers were intercepted en route at one of the various ports of transshipment and modified by Israel to insert minute amounts of explosives in them; most lithium batteries are capable of starting fires but their explosive effects aren't that serious; the heat was probably used to detonate the explosives. Elijah Magnier says he knows how it was done.
2) The purpose of the attack was a provocation – not a serious attack. The goal was to cause Hezbollah to do something which would give Netanyahu – and the US – a better excuse to attack Hezbollah. This attack will have almost zero direct effect on Hezbollah, other than requiring some modification of their communications security. Pagers are used in lieu of cell phones because the messages sent are in code.
As I said in my Substack article the other day, Israel's tactic is to keep bombing people all around the region until someone gets tired of the "escalatory ladder" and decides to go all in. Then Israel and the US get the wider war that is the purpose of this entire situation since before October 7.
As I've said a million times, no one wants to be blamed for starting a war. So the "tit-for-tat" is to get to a point where they get the war but avoid (or try to avoid) being blamed for it. This has been the case in every war the US has ever started – and pretty much the case for every war ever started by anyone.
Peace be upon the Muslim People, at this time of year, indeed always!…
”Common People Now! Smile on your brothers (and sisters)!Everybody get together now, try to love one another! Right Now”!
“Pager Aggression!” From Iran’s Press TV!
Bernhard at MoA has a more detailed description of the event which answers the question about what company in Europe, how long trans-shipments are held up, citing Elijah Magnier who has been in the forefront on tracking this.
Where I disagree with Bernhard is the notion that this was an attack per se. It wasn't. It was a provocation – nothing more.
Israel's Pager Attack – A Sophisticated One-Times Shot With Little Effect
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/09/israels-pager-attack-a-sophisticated-one-times-shot-with-little-effect.html
It was terrorism
That's for sure…!
More details, citing Elijah Magnier who got his information from Hezbollah contacts in Lebanon. I think this is the best available information.
How did Hezbollah get the pagers that exploded in Lebanon?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/9/18/how-did-hezbollah-get-the-pagers-that-exploded-in-lebanon
Both Gold Apollo and BAC Consulting are lying…!
When the Unabomber did this to a couple of people he was called a terrorist.
When a rogue state does it to thousands indiscriminately, it is called freedom.
And that is… only the US way…!
Sadly true.
The Unibomber was a lone psychopath targeting random people with mail bombs. The Israelis were targeting military people who were actively launching missiles and drones at Israeli cities. Weather or not you approve or disapprove of Israel, your analogy is infantile.
Your trust in what Israel tells you is infantile.
What Israel says? The report of the victims being nearly all members of Hezbollah did not come from Israel.
"indiscriminately" No it was done to enemy combatants. These were not innocent people. They were members of group trying to kill Israelis.
Not true. Hezbollah has done more to avoid Israeli civilian deaths than any standard of Israel's.
From Elijah Magnier's X:
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺
@ejmalrai
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FYI:
Ninety percent of #Hezbollah's communication system is wired, with only ten percent relying on wireless methods. Of this wireless segment, only two percent was partially compromised. Hezbollah's command and control have not been damaged.
That 10% will also go wired soon…!
I'm glad that you are so concerned about the command and control of Hezbollah. It will help them wage war on the infidels.
Edward Snowden weighs in:
https://x.com/Snowden/status/1836180306161791403
NSA re-coded all the SIM cards manufactured in US and sold worldwide for spying purposes…! Now, eSIMs make it a lot easier and cheaper for them…! That makes the physical SIM cards more secure, but not full proof, nowadays…!
The situation is tragic and dangerous for both Israel and its neighbors,but this was a brilliant andjust military strike.
Another attempt at equalizing the misery and then showing your true colors by applauding what you would be screaming as another HOLOCAUST if Hamas or Hezbollah did something similar. You are a wretched piece of excrement.
Fuck it, I’m not especially educated.
Fuck it, I’m not especially educated.
Fuck it, I’m not especially educated.
All this complaining about how unfair Israel was to attack Hezbollah this way and that it was an act of terror has one flaw. Hezbollah chose to fire on Israel the day after Oct 7 attack. Hezbollah chose to keep firing on Israel. Those choices had a price and 3000 Hezbollah members paid that price. Hezbollah made the mistake of thinking that Israel would not hit them because of the 2004 war. That was than, this is now. Hezbollah thought they were safe in their tunnels.
Well they are not.
I don't think anyone said it was unfair. No one in his or her right mind believes Israel is capable of "fairness". Fairness was in reference to doing justice when it comes to our reasoning and the facts when posting on this discussion.
Second, its faulty to look at October 7th and its aftermath in a vacuum. History didn't start on October 7th. In this case, Israel invaded Lebanese territory even before 1982. One's conscience should be devastated when you realize that Hezbollah was founded in response to Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon. They didn't exist before that time. In fact the shia welcomed the Israelis. Israel was kicked out after 20 years. You also forget that Israel still occupies Lebanese territory, e.g., Shebaa Farms. Since their humiliating retreat they attacked and killed thousands of Lebanese civilians. Why wouldn't Hezbollah keep attacking Israel until Israel ceases to be a threat to Lebanon and everyone in the region?
Third, it looks like Israel would have used this attack to block communications if it went in with ground troops. Or it was a tactic of deterrence. Both ways, it has utterly failed and Israel has shown its hand. And you seem to think some people are complaining?
Man.
Israel is a nuclear power. It is backed by the world's superpower. It has collected the greatest concentration of brain power in the good old Jewish tradition of education, learning and ingenuity. It has infiltrated most sectors of the world's economy. And it is a leader in high tech security, surveillance and espionage.
"The bigger they are, the harder they fall"
It must be catastrophic for the mental well being of Israel supporters to see this mighty haughtiness crumbling before their very eyes.
Yes, Hezbollah paid a price with this Israeli attack. However, not only are they still standing, the question is what price will Israel pay when this is all over.
Maybe, its existence?
I’m surprised this isn’t done more often. Now, this is war. Israel will finally get its war with Iran. Will anything be standing in the region afterwards?
Hi Luchorpan! Keep the faith my friend!!!
Israel will not and cannot get its war with Iran WITHOUT US help…! That remains to be seen…!