The US is close to reaching an agreement on giving Ukraine cruise missiles that could hit targets deep inside Russia, Reuters reported on Tuesday, citing US officials.
The officials said the US is expected to include Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missiles (JASSM) in a weapons package that will be announced for Ukraine this fall. But first, there are technical issues to work through to ensure they can be fired by Ukraine’s Soviet-made fighter jets.
An older version of the JASSM can hit targets over 230 miles, and there are newer versions that can fly over 500 miles. Reuters said it was unable to establish which kind the US is considering sending to Ukraine. Providing the older, shorter-range version would put less strain on US military stockpiles.
The US officials said that providing the JASSMs could alter the conflict by putting more Russian territory in range of powerful precision-guided missiles, which they said was a big concern of the Biden administration.
The comments suggest the administration is preparing to give Ukraine the greenlight to launch long-range strikes inside Russian territory using US-provided missiles, which would mark another significant escalation of the proxy war and risk a major response from Moscow. Russia has said it’s altering its nuclear doctrine in response to Western escalations in Ukraine.
The US is allowing Ukraine to use US armored vehicles, missiles, and bombs in its Kursk offensive but still insists it won’t support long-range strikes, at least for the time being. A congressional staffer told Reuters that giving Ukraine JASSMs would increase the pressure on the US to lift all restrictions on Ukraine’s use of its weapons.
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov was asked on Wednesday about the possibility of the US providing Ukraine with the JASSMs and said the US shouldn’t joke about Russia’s red lines.
“I won’t be surprised by anything – the Americans have already crossed the threshold they set for themselves. They are being egged on, and Zelenskiy of course sees this and takes advantage of it,” he said. “But they should understand – they are joking about our red lines here. They shouldn’t joke about our red lines.”
Reuters is still playing the suspension of disbelief plot that the US isn’t and hasn’t been directing every single move. This is a NATO war against Russia or a Russian war against NATO, however you want to frame it.
This isn’t little David Zelensky charting strategy against Goliath Russia. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it, but we all have to pretend that we don’t.
… because even the thought of a Russian declaration of war with the US is too terrible to think. Washington is playing Russian roulette, … in the bizzare faith that it will win … which even if it should, were not "good" luck ….
Best scenario: partition of Ukraine with minor damage to Russia and to EU.
Not so good scenario: heavy NATO involvement, couple of tactical nukes to Poland or, may be, even to Germany, and NATO calms down.
Not so bad scenario: only European nuclear powers involved in nuclear exchange with Russia: destruction of France or (and) UK and acceptable damage to Russia.
Worst scenario: full scale nuclear war with almost complete destruction of Europe, Russia and North America.
It does look like the Russian forces will eventually secure Donetsk; the Ukrainian regime simply can’t expect to get Donetsk, Luhansk, or Crimea “back” in any ceasefire. Nor can the Russian forces expect to get their teat out of the wringer while trying to annex Kherson and Zaporzhzhia.
You keep saying that; but nothing supports your opinion. I see no way they give up what they hold; it is too strategically valuable. They are already building/rebuilding civilian infrastructure in Mariupol, not something anyone would do if they thought their hold was temporary. They might not want the bother of taking the remainder of those 2 oblasts; certainly nothing on the other side of the river has any advantages.
I opined they will likely eventually secure Donetsk, which is where Mariupol is located.
Your notice that they're building/rebuilding civilian infrastructure seems to be evidence for that opinion. Or at least evidence that they agree with that opinion.
So you have nothing to support your opinion that they will “give up” the parts of Zaporizhia or Kherson they still hold.
Nothing other than the fact that if you can't secure something in the first place, you're not going to be able to hold it forever.
Unrealistic Scenario: Poland and the Baltics delcare their intent to send troops to Ukraine and enter the conflict on our side; Belarus defects from being a Russian lackey and sees the bright future with the West
Best scenario: Ukraine regains Crimea and all of the Donbass from illegal occupation
Not so good scenerio: Russia keeps their minimalist claims in the Donbas with the DPR and LPR, however free from Russian rule. Crimea remains under occupation
Worst scenerio: Ukraine is reduced to a rump state between the Dniepr and the current Polish border
Belarus defects from being a Russian lackey and sees the bright future with the West
Like Ukraine?
Yes!
Exactly!
Took the words from my mouth!
Sarcasm? Or you completely missed my point.
сарказм
I don't speak whatever that is.
He just spelled sarcasm in the Cyrillic alphabet.
He’s an odd duck, but I think it’s a combination of English not being his native tongue (not his fault) and being a kid / young adult as he mentioned he’s still in school.
Thats it
Ukrainian
In my Latin Ukrainian,
Ykpraiïncka
That's what keeps nagging at my mind: the US is behaving as if it can win a nuclear war. Where does that thinking come from?
At one level I recognize that the US neocons triggered the Ukraine war with no exit plan, supremely confident that Russia would fail. And having painted itself into a corner, the US just keeps escalating because it doesn't know what else to do.
But at another level the State Dept. and Pentagon officials seem to have an intentional, self-imposed blindness to the dangers of that escalation. It's as though they are in a dissociative trance state.
Has someone put ketamine into the D.C. water supply?
They’re a kind of vestigial Fundamentalists, chosen people of the Bible and Anglo-protestantism, the Manifest Destiney of the West, Science & Progress, the Gospel of Wealth, the World Historical European Civilization, … their Faith is absolute and unquestioned. The Russians have chosen Asia rather than bow to the West and have thereby damned themselves.
you think that USA is playing Roulette with the Pyc? OK, because we in Ukraine aren't getting invaded by them or anything I guess
The thing is that no matter how hard I try I will never change your mind because forums like this are like how sitting water is for breeding mosquitoes. It's an echo chamber you control
If you think he controls this forum, that thing you're doing that you think is thinking isn't.
"you" was not a direct statement
Maybe they figure if World War III breaks out they can cancel the election.
That would matter if the election was going to change our course.
Oh if Trump is elected you can expect US support to Ukraine to fall to zero, also expect Trump tower Moscow.
Long-range cruise missiles can be efficient for military purposes if used in great numbers (hundreds in one attack), otherwise they can be used only for terrorist purposes; attacking nuclear power plants etc. Anyway, of course, it means greater involvement of NATO militaries in the war against Russia. Massive involvement of NATO military staff in this war would mean this war is no longer a proxy war but direct war between NATO and Russia, which, of course, can be easily escalated into full scale nuclear war, though U.S. strategists are hoping it could be restricted to Europe.
hundreds in 1 attack? Lol. Even the Russkies couldn't pull that off
You don't think the RF can launch a missile swarm or five ? Yes, a hundred inbound missiles are easy pickings for Ukraine's magickal '16 pilots, but TWO hundred ? Doubt Kiev has Captain Marvel on the payroll.
Yeah. America didn’t send him over
Hear Israel is getting him though
If they take down the Kerch bridge that massively complicates logistics for Crimea.
There is a land road from Rostov to Crimea over Mariupol.
Sure there is always a less desirable option that you can use once your best option disappears.
No, it is a better option. That's why they are building now a railroad from Rostov to Crimea which by the end of this year should be finished. Militaries don't use the bridge. Bridge was built because there were no other way to connect Russia to Crimea. Before 2022 Azov sea coast between Crimea and Russia was under Ukrainian control. Now it is not.
So they were using their worst option first? I just don’t get Russians.
After neo-Nazi coup 2014, Crimea left Ukraine and was reincorporated into Russia. Then Kiev regime started a blockade of Crimea. So, Russia built a bridge from Russia to Crimea over Kerch Strait. After the escalation of the war in 2022, Russia took under control the territories between Crimea and Russia. That's why Russian militaries, and a lot of civilians too, prefer to use land road direct from Central Russia to Crimea. Kerch bridge is also used but not by militaries. If someone travel from Caucasus region to Crimea, of course, to use Kerch bridge is preferable.
The Biden Cabinet is full of tough people busy brainwashing gullible Americans into gradual acceptance of endless genocide and war. There will be a gruesome backlash when everyday citizens discover how they have been fine tune for hatred.
Going down the path to extinction, like a 3-year-old with a hammer; Americans pushing extinction.
Everyone should watch the above video. Unfortunately, Postol isn't going to listened to by those in DC who have control of nuclear weapons. Crazy is in vogue in the Empire's capital.
https://sonar21.com/more-doj-cowbell-on-russia-while-ukraines-plight-worsens/
They know Russia will win, so the missiles make no difference. They know Russia will take Pokrovsk in a month or so, the supply hub in western Donbass that gets the supplies by highway and rail from west of the Dniepr.
Zelensky only wants long-range missiles to strike civilian airports and government buildings in Moscow, to provoke Russia to strike NATO targets, hoping for a WWIII (he constantly says that "it's already WWIII, so go ahead NATO and do this and that"), after which his rule will somehow remain and he won't go to prison.
It is a provocation because what the media won't mention is that all the advanced missiles are aimed by NATO officers, using NATO satellites and radar etc, and then they just let a Ukrainian pull the trigger. That's why NATO hasn't handed over these missiles, because they know that they're the ones doing the shooting, in effect.
Russia will never win. UKRAINE IS NOT YET LOST
No one is going to "win".
At least you admit that
Nobody wins in any war
A congressional staffer told Reuters that giving Ukraine JASSMs would increase the pressure on the US to lift all restrictions on Ukraine’s use of its weapons.
What a load of bullshit. Unless he's talking about from within the US.
I really enjoy your verbosity wars!!!
Translation: Ukraine is not winning.
Translation: ні росія
Yes finally I already knew about this BUT I wanted to see how the Russians would respond
This constant push won't stop until missiles come flying back. That is the goal and the point of of the push, they WANT missiles to fly back at us. Like Netanyahu, they want war, and they will commit provocations until they get it.
This is Munich 1938, and our side is German.
I find this 'news' quite incredible. The only thing more incredible is the hubris of the Empire and it's idiot subjects.
Do they think this will actually help Ukraine? Like the game changing weapons already supplied, the stellar 'counter-offensives' & 'active-defense' since 2022? What else? NATO has been in Ukraine well before 2022 ; let's not act surprised. Do you think they would take a step back to reflect and ponder that this wasn't such a good idea?
The Empire has been f*cking around with Russia and European policies since 1991 and now they finally have the battle they've been wishing for since the end of WWII.
The problem is that it's Russia they are dealing with. No one knows the 'long game' better than this nation. Historically, they have experienced losses that the Empire cannot even comprehend.
In the meantime, Russia will erode Ukraine day by day, until it resembles a rump Cossack state in whatever iteration it was from the past when there really was no definition of Ukraine.
There is no mistake with what is happening to Ukraine in recent days and it will only get worse.
The message can't get any clearer than below:
Cookies are being served…….
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f078d0d517b0dd3292da0bc81ddca45612bf246f6324ed712ee5676d056f4df2.jpg
We're more than "cossacks"
Martyr Made
@martyrmade
Sometimes I pause and remember that they murdered Jeffrey Epstein in a high-security prison to keep him quiet about global elites sexually abusing children. Then I switch modes and carry on as if we live in a normal world where our problems can be solved by voting. It's weird.
Misdirection. AG William Barr knew Epstein was going to go public with details on the virus they'd discovered (human herpesvirus 4) and that it was a CRISPR construct, not natural. He got to his former research partner just before another Gain-of-Function virus experiment got loose in the DPRC that autumn…
The real threat.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1831730748467925204?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
AGM JASSM is a stealth air launched missile. It is nuclear capable. Potentially, it is a first strike nuclear weapon. Along with pre deployed B-61 v 11 gravity bomb with stealth F-35 delivery potential and the super fuze ICBM's. ALL potentially first strike nuclear weapons.
The Russian Federation will have to view them this way, regardless of what the warheads on these newer missiles are.
Exactly. And the possibility of a disastrous mistake……..
Yup! Cuz we will accidentally strap a nuclear warhead onto our bombs!
Well the good news is that if they are stealth you won't know what they are carrying until after they blow up.
And that’s a problem as well. Something somewhere explodes in huge fashion and that could trigger a response.
For example, the 2013 Chelyabinsk meteor. Airburst over the Russian Federation, broke windows and alarmed thousands of people, sonic boom and everything. We watch, like, 1% of the sky, and a chunk of rock on just the wrong trajectory that we don’t see coming, under hair-trigger domestic conditions, could cause an accidental nuclear war.
We can’t rely on the Russians to go 3-for-3 on NOT launching in the face of what seems like a legit nuclear attack.
The US has a very bad habit of improving its first strike capabilities, it is stupid, wrong and destabilizing. Also not required for the doctrine of MAD in which revenge weapons are all we need.
Of course, how could it be otherwise?
We export lethality and instability. It's all we are and all we do.
The US is the militaristic gift that keeps on giving….
Once they hit Russia?….?…..?……………………………….
Agree to disagree!
The only reason this is up for discussion is because of the US election; Biden has no interest in "helping" Ukraine, and Sullivan sees it for the stupidity it is.
But the Democrats, already (unfairly; it was the Pentagons fault) hung with "losing Afghanistan" don't want to also be hung with "losing Ukraine", after all Biden's insane rhetoric, and after the failure of the campaign against the Houthis (again, the Pentagon's fault; the 5 sided puzzle palace's propensity for incompetence never ends).
And Zelensky has made it perfectly clear that he will put all the blame on Biden if/when he loses, unless he gets everything he demands.
So; Biden will agree to provide the missiles, knowing the supply will take months; if the Ds lose the election, it's Trumps problem anyway (like Goebbels once said, "what compels us to keep the promises we make??); if Harris wins, then she can clean the national security house and back off this nonsense.
And if Ukraine loses after the election? "Oh well"; we tried our "best".
And yet, we don't even protect our own country from a foreign invasion. (Using children as a human shield.)
I was unaware that the British used children as human shields when they invaded the US in the War of 1812, or that Lee used children as human shields in his 1862 and 1863 invasions. Or are you perhaps thinking of smaller incursions — like the handful of German saboteurs who landed in Florida in WW2 — as “invasions?” But I don’t recall them using children as human shields either.
I was thinking of our southern border at present.
If that’s what you were “thinking” of, what you were doing wasn’t “thinking.”
People traveling and moving without your permission isn’t “invasion.”
“The US is close to reaching an agreement on giving Ukraine cruise missiles that could hit targets deep inside Russia.“
How would the Biden administration react if Russia or any other power were to place cruise missiles in Cuba, which could hit targets deep in the United States?
All that is sheer madness.
Will this stop before this brinkmanship degenerates into a nuclear world war.
Russian Federation can park a cruise missile launcher in my back yard, I'm not even 30km from the US border and within easy range of Seattle and the Bremerton shipyards.
Only, the Russian "advisors" manning the unit hafta mow my lawn. Front AND back yards.
Canadian? Vancouver? If so, Vancouver is quite a magnificent looking city.
Yeah, suburb of Vancouver. Great place but expensive & a wee nudge crowded at times. And our hockey team struggles endlessly for the Cup. Goddamned Edmonton Oilers, knocking us out in June just to lose.
While the NATO Ukraine war against Russia suffers more serious setbacks, NATO is moving to escalate to “impose a strategic defeat ” on Russia .The UNITED STATES nuclear war doctrine has been changed towards “preemptive nuclear strike” . The US aims to “win” a nuclear war vs Russia,China and Korea simultaneously.! Attend Online meeting to expose and reverse this insane policy:Please click the link below and use your full name when you join the meeting: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/83288789255
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-Dr. Ted Postol, MIT Professor Emeritus and one of the world’s leading experts on nuclear weapons
–Ambassador Jack Matlock, a scholar of Russian history and culture who was President Reagan’s choice for the crucial post of ambassador to the Soviet Union
-Colonel (ret.) Prof. Dr. Wilfried Schreiber, Senior Research Fellow at the WeltTrends Institute for International Politics in Potsdam, Germany
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-Helga Zepp-LaRouche, Schiller Institute founder
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https://x.com/i/status/1831665387978555824 I'm unaware the extent Lviv is being leveled by Russian missile barrages.
It seems reasonable under any political demarche that Lviv wouldn't be named the capital of a new sovereign should the West deem it so. It depends on how one defines physical structure decimation across the city.
Take out the bridge, and that is it