Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov said Sunday that Moscow will change its nuclear doctrine in response to Western escalations related to the war in Ukraine.
“As we have repeatedly said before, the work is in the advanced stage, and there is a clear intent to introduce a correction [to the nuclear doctrine],” Ryabkov told the Russian news agency TASS.
Ryabkov said the doctrine would be updated based on “the examination and analysis of development of recent conflicts, including, of course, everything connected to our Western adversaries’ escalation course in regards to the special military operation.”
Ryabkov said it was too early to say when the doctrine would be updated. “The timeframe for its completion is a rather complicated issue, considering that we are talking about the most important aspect of our national security,” he said.
Russia’s nuclear doctrine was last updated in 2020. It allows for the use of nuclear weapons if Russia faces a nuclear attack or a conventional attack that threatens the existence of the Russian state.
Ryabkov’s comments come amid fighting in Russia’s Kursk Oblast, an offensive Ukraine is carrying out with US and NATO support. The US is allowing Ukraine to use US-provided armored vehicles, bombs, and missiles inside the Russian territory, marking a significant escalation in the proxy war.
The US claims that it was not involved in the planning of the Kursk invasion, but a Ukrainian soldier said last week that Western intelligence was crucial for carrying out the cross-border assault.
O Lord Heavens! The west is responding to an unjust invasion of a sovereign nation! time to nuclear saber-rattle!!!
again
when will the fascist putotards up high in the Kremlin learn that saying you're gonna nuke people because of your invasion that people are responding to does NOT make you the cool kid at the party?
Death to the enemies of Ukraine!!
Death to Russia!!
Death to the Fascists!!
Death to Putin!!
DEATH TO REACTION!!!
UKRAINE IS ABOVE ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Typical Ukrainian Fascist wishing death to the world.
"A snowflake in an avalanche feels no responsibility for it's actions."
Please go to Ukraine and put your body on the line. You hide in college and spew tripe like most cowards.
Of course, you know that the life expectance of a new soldier on the frontline is around 4 hours.
I'm not a fascist lol
and I will go the frontline and be not a "coward"
Whenver I kill a Rus', I'll think of you!!
Well, I hope you don't kill and you don't get killed. I hope before you make that irrevocable mistake, the scales will fall from your eyes and you learn who actually destroyed your country. It isn't anyone you'll encounter on a battlefield.
Albert, maybe you can serve with me. We can find together the "real" enemy of my great nation
I promise they'll be close
And yes, I will kill. I will not get killed, but the Rus will wish to go home
Heroism is a form of stupidity. This is not a forgivable sin there. The fields are littered with the rotting corpses of heroes.
If Heroism is stupidity than America would still be a colony
Germany would've won ww1
Germany would've won ww2
Korea would be unified.. under the north
9/11 would've gone wihtout a response
America is a colony. The original Americans have been colonized. They have been ethnically cleansed, lied to, mass-murdered, segregated and crammed together in the least valuable pieces of real estate in their own land.
Heroism did not change anything to the outcome of that story. Neither did it in WW1 or WW2. Germans were in neither wars less "heroic" and certainly not less motivated or less convinced. And they also died when they were behaving stupidly. Bullets, grenades and flying shrapnel don't give a shit if you think you are indestructable. If you are in their trajectory you get hit and then the only thing that's left is hoping you don't bleed in the wrong places.
This is one reliable predictor I think; if you are not shitting yourself when the bullets fly, I mean the shit running down your legs for real, you don't have the instincts to survive. You want to kill, you prepare to die. Life is not a movie.
The poser Ukrainian on here is either a BOT or a retard, in any case a liar and terrorist.
The insanity of Ukrainians is that they would provoke World War 3 and the extinction of mankind to satisfy their maniacal hatreds going back a thousand years.
The Ukrainians are a tribe off bottom dwellers who have been beaten for centauries by Poles, Romanians Hungarians, Germans, Russians, and Mongolians.
They would provoke the extinction of humans on earth to satisfy their blood lust.
With every post this Ukrainian exposes the insanity of his ilk.
cannot be talking about "insanity of my ilk"
we are not bottom dwellers so much as you, a pathetic creature. How would Ukrainians promote ww3? We are not the ones who started with invading Russia. Russia start with invading us!
If Kremlin nuke Kyiv and Warsaw to the dirt your lizard brain will still spin it as the west's fault
This is why boomers like you who have soviet nostolgia sh0uld not have access to a computer
"We are not the ones who started with invading Russia. Russia start with invading us!"
History didn't start in February of 2022. Vllod understood:
March 28, 2022. President Zelensky publicly declares that Ukraine is ready for neutrality combined with security guarantees as part of a peace agreement with Russia. “Security guarantees and neutrality, the non-nuclear status of our state — we’re ready to do that.That’s the most important point … they started the war because of it.”
yes it started in 2014 when Crimea was ILLEGALLY ANNEXED
then the war on the Donbass which even the town idiot knew were just Russian soldiers without their insignias.
Then the unjust invasion because Putin thought NATO was weak and it was a good time to strike.
and for talking about these promises so much, you sure never talk about Russia's promises
I quoted Zelensky. You'd have to ask him why he was so unaware of what happened since 2014 to make that statement in 2022. But he did.
literally most antiwar person on this site
:skull emoji:
:skull emoji:
:skull emoji:
.:skull emoji:
Oh then tell us why did the Russians unleash this upon the world by starting the SMO?
Which is why the second strongest army in the world have so many problems beating them?
If you were right then the Russians should have beaten them much easier than the Taliban beat the government, US supported and equipped, Afghan army.
Well it was the Russians who started this – we have their own words for this – they claim that they were provoked but even they do not claim that the Ukrainians started the hot war.
critcal thinker isn't very critical
the only critical thing is how flat his brain is
Yup – it is easy to point out the internal inconsistencies of his position – as it is with most of the people claiming that this is/was a NATO planed operation.
The Kursk incursion is as far as I can see primarily a political operation – no NATO experts have praised it as a strategy – they have praised the tactical implementation, but stayed away from speaking to its wider wisdom.
The main reason as I see it is because it in essence is a politically justified operation.
Failing that a faint – which is then consuming too many forces by now.
I'm reserving judgement for now it is still very early days, for anyone to judge – at this stage all 'pundits' would have judged the 1968 Tet offensive an utter failure – and that ended up an important turning point in the Vietnam war.
yeah
i watched a good video about the Tet offensive it was cool.
We have word for people like him in ukrainian, i just can't think of it now
Just in case you don't know guy already, try listening to some of his videos – they make pretty level headed analysis of the war.
i feel morally obligated to subscribe
There is one other even smaller analyst – who IMO makes very good points (a Dane like me, so perhaps I'm biased):
do you speak Dansk?
Ja – It's my native tongue 🙂
oh nice
in school besides english we learned German
I said to one of my friends, because we were talking about other languages during that class
"Danish is like a German person speaking with peanut butter stuck on the roof of their mouth"
but o god how is he spreading his propoganda to more than 500k people?
💀 💀 💀
IDK – but he has a fairly substantive back catalogue – which if you go through them actually have aged pretty OK – unlike many other analysts' videos.
wait was that sarcastic or not
No sarcasm – I think he is genuinely a fairly balanced analyst – not given to baseless hyperbole.
and that's CRITCAL THINKERS channel or am I missing context?
Perun?
https://www.youtube.com/@PerunAU
Do we have some miscommunication?
Так
Do that again and you’re gone.
Please explain, I am not sure what you are referring to. However, I am willing to comply.
The post in question was a collection of guidelines-violating “slurs or supremacist claims based on race, ethnicity, nationality, religion, disability, sex, sexual orientation or gender identity.”
Don’t do that anymore, or you’ll be gone.
You’re not alone on that this week. The enthusiastic (but not enthusiastic enough to actually pick up a rifle and go to the front) young Ukrainian did the same thing (with a different target for the slurs) and got the same warning.
A few misguided people still live in fantasy land much like all nations that cease to exist. The most corrupt nation on earth called Ukraine will go the way of Nazi Germany and South Vietnam.
Corruption is eating Ukraine from the inside out. Soon there will be no Ukrainians to turn off the lights when the country is non-existent.
Just like Afghanistan and South Vietnam if America just gives another $200 Billion, they hope to win.
With over 650,000 casualties Ukraine is a bad bet. Doubling down will just bankrupt the West.
"Scott Ritter REVEALS how Russia is making mincemeat out of Ukraine's NATO-backed army, and what it means for both the battlefield and the conflict at large".
You do know that Russia consistently comes out measured as more corrupt than Ukraine!?
If they wanted to win they would allow the Ukrainians to use the ATTACMS on targets in Russia – they do not – so it looks much more like they want to have Russia lose.
That is about the figure for Russian casualties according to the Ukrainians (616300) – so what is your source for this?
https://index.minfin.com.ua/en/russian-invading/casualties/
A Russian mouth piece claims this without much backing – good to know the quality of your sources.
I'm surpried you would say such things considering you probably have very little emnity for Hitler besides Operation Barbarossa
Speaking of misguided…………….
бляатттттттттттттттт
Four letter words in any language are the bastion of the uneducated.
US and EU sure got busted by the Ukrainian soldier…!
intelligence
everyone uses intelligence
That the Ukrainians have used intelligence is very far away from the same as that the western powers were planning the operation.
Planning an operation like the Kursk incursion is complicated but very easy compared to implementing such a plan – so the notion that the west had to make the plan while being able to leave implementation to the Ukrainians is not well supported.
So what is your actual claim here?
That the Ukrainians are extremely competent when it comes to executing combined arms warfare (where the Russians fail) while being unable to plan an operation that few if any experts have opined were a smart strategic move?
I'm not sure why you would argue that the Russians are so incompetent as to be unable to plan such operations (see then Kharkiv 2024 operation) while the Ukrainians are capable of taking much more territory than the Russians (the goal of the Russian 2024 Kharkiv incursion).
The likely truth is that there there is a much more mundane explanation for the different outcome for the Russian VS the Ukrainian border incursions of 2024.
Russia does not work on a mainstream media news cycle. They are in the Special Military Operation for the long haul, two or three more years if required.
If you know anything about military operations you know that Russia is pursuing a war of attrition not trying to capture ground.
So over 125 million Russians vs less than 20 million Ukrainians who are in country.
Russia has 1,500 to 3,000 recruits volunteering each day. Every time Ukraine attacks deeper into Russia proper with drones recruiting goes up.
Ukraine has to kidnap its citizens and press them into the frontlines with little training.
ok boomer
the only people being kidnapper are draft dodgers who deserve to be kidnapped.And it is NOT A SPECIAL MILITARY OPERATION
IT IS A WAR BETWEEN 2 WARRING PARTIES
anyways, we have more than 20 million people in our country. And if Belarus decides to commit suicide and join the war with Russia, we will gain 36.4 million more
Poland and the Baltics states said they'd intervene if it looked like we were loosing.
Death to the enemies of Ukraine!!
Death to Russia!!
Death to the Fascists!!
Death to Putin!!
DEATH TO REACTION!!!
UKRAINE IS ABOVE ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes well, it is nothing new that the propaganda tends to become more crude towards the end. "Draft dodgers deserve to be kidnapped" yeah, that is your typical defenders of freedom and democracy the US prefers to see. There will for sure be death because of that, but not much to rejoice over I am afraid.
america and russia do the same thing
nobody is exceptional
Yes, and your nation is caught in the middle of that game. And neither of them are in it to serve your interests, guy. You are just being fucked silly and all you can for your own good is do is what the "draft dodgers" are doing. Not play that game. You already lost before it began.
Україна ще не втрачена і не буде втрачена
слава Україні
героям слава
Yes it is. The last chance to avoid any of this was when Boris Johnson came to tell the Ukrainian puppets to obey, when they for some reason thought they could make important decisions for themselves in Istanbul.
There are no chances anymore. Ukraine will not be a viable nation in the future. It will become a basket case living of Western handouts that will soon dry up and then it will be deserted by the West in phases. While this downfall into poverty happens West-Ukrainians who can will leave.
Draft dodgers deserve to be sheltered, hidden, and protected by other victims of regimes that draft.
Nobody owes his or her life to the state.
in this case we do
we owe our souls to Ukraine
Please return to the frontlines in Ukraine or hide elsewhere as a coward.
If you want to give your soul to Ukraine, well, there’s just no accounting for cult loyalties.
Others’ souls aren’t yours to give.
The draft is the worst sort of slavery and any regime that engages in it deserves, even more so than other regimes, to be deposed by any means necessary.
Owing to free rider problems, and the economics of volunteer pay for serve armies, being against the draft is embracing:
1) the best way to guarantee that it is the working classes who ends up doing most of the dying
2) a path to slavery of foreign rulers.
Small countries can only scare away larger aggressive ones by being able to guarantee that they will pay a price higher than the value of taking their territory.
If you are up against behemoths like the US or just much larger 'countries' like the Russian federation with much deeper pockets – relying on volunteers to fight is:
1) unsustainable
2) difficult to justify as the rich avoid serving, while reaping most of the benefits of winning the war.
Are you in doubt about this – and if not does a government that relies upon the draft to resist a much more powerful neighbors invasion deserve to be deposed?
Is there some particular reason why I should prefer slavery of domestic rulers to slavery of foreign rulers?
Regimes aren’t “countries.”
“does a government that relies upon the draft to resist a much more powerful neighbors invasion deserve to be deposed?”
That’s what I just said.
You could ask the Poles that – being slaves to a Polish government bad, being slaves to a NAZI government much much worse.
Not sure I get your point?
Yes that was what I thought you said – only I found it hard to believe that you would prefer permanent slavery over temporary conscription.
From time to time one generation(or two) have to pay for the ability to live free – yes that involves being slaves to the domestic government for that generation – but it means much more freedom for the future generations.
You seem to believe that freedom is something we can have without cost – is that really the case?
“Regimes aren’t ‘countries.'”
“Not sure I get your point?”
Putin is not Russia. Biden is not the USA. Macron is not France. Zelenskyy is not Ukraine.
I don’t care to be enslaved by any of those people, and if I preferred one over another it wouldn’t be because of what “country” they happen to be “from.”
The act of conscription is an admission on the part of a regime that the people it rules do not love it enough to defend it and must therefore be enslaved and sent to their possible deaths in order to save the regime, not the “country.”
No regime which makes such an admission should be allowed to survive.
No, one cannot have freedom without cost — but enslavement doesn’t magically become “freedom” just because it’s one regime rather than another enslaving you.
That hast to be based on some sort of ignorance – or do you believe that nationalist do not exist and that such nationalists are not prone to persecute people they believe not to be of their nation or not sufficiently embracing their notion of what it is to be a member of that nation???
So the Russians and the Poles should not have conscripted people to fight for their independence in WWII?
Do you know what the German plan for these people were? Do you believe that freedom is the natural state of affairs.
This sounds like you would be happy to have the states with no compunction using their national wealth dominate all other nations – US hegemony – is that really your position?
Just asking because the US can pay 'volunteers' enough to subdue most nations in the world.
No but if we are not prepared to pay the price every now and then we will live as slaves to the more powerful nations.
What we have to do is to try to make sure that conscription is the exception not the rule.
But without the ability to conscript we will be at the mercy of the nations that have no such compunctions or the means to dominate us through mercenaries.
This was the norm until very recently – perhaps your perspective is as it is because of your geographical location?
Not sure who this “we” you’re referring to is.
At the moment, I am at the mercy of a particular regime (not “nation”).
If things changed, I might be at the mercy of another regime (not “nation”).
I might dislike one or the other regime (not “nation”) more or less, but in neither case am I going to pretend that regimes treating people as slaves and livestock is or ever can be moral.
I know you have issues accepting/ understanding the basis for collective action.
NB it is not that it is good or bad merely that it outcompetes non collective actions.
Thus the we are the people of the nation (s) involved – if you insist on behaving as if there is no common good that can ever justify trumping the will of the individual – then you are set to be dominated by nations that do.
Do you live in the US? If so you are at the mercy and have been at the mercy of the type of governance that has been elected according to the constitution – so for all your life.
You may disagree with what they are doing, but then you can thank your nation for allowing you the freedom to emigrate.
So again if you live in the US you are actually at the mercy of what the people that formed the nation of the US arranged as their type of government.
You may disagree, but unless you accept this definition of what it means to be the subject of a nation, the idea that there is such a thing as a nation becomes meaningless.
And then you ought to have started the debate from the point that you do not believe that nations exists.
If people in your nation all thought like you, and were not the citizens of one of the most powerful nations on earth – that nation would be open for conquest – and most likely would learn that the idea of being enslaved by people foreign to you is very often much worse than being subject to conscription in times of war.
The (original inhabitants of America) Indians would have loved the idea of conscription if that had been able to keep the Europeans out – or do you think that they are happy the way things worked out?
I’m fine with collective action.
If it’s not voluntary, it’s not collective action, it’s master/slave action.
“Nations” are the superstitions regimes build their slave cults around.
Yes that's kind of the point you define collective action different from me, nations agree (some) democratically to take action.
When they do the compliance is no longer (always) voluntary – that is how the nation came into being.
Nations that have done so dominates nations that rely upon voluntary action.
You live in a place where this lection apparently have been lost, you would not be able to keep the freedom you praise – if you lived in e.g. Ukraine.
Because for the generations (that from time to time have to pay the price of freedom) the usually young men who gets to do the majority of the fighting more often than not do not do so voluntarily.
There still is (often) an overwhelming majority for fighting against the invaders – but for obvious reasons the ones who gets to do the fighting (and dying) are often less eager.
When you have seen the plans the Russians have been voicing for Ukrainian reeducation – you may change your mind on the idea of conscription.
I suspect that you will not, but then I respect that you at least would be consistent in preferring to go to your death over even compelling one person to do anything that this person would not do voluntarily.
Are you by any chance one of these sovereign citizens?
No, I am not a “sovereign citizen.” I don’t believe that chanting certain incantations or removing fringe from flags in courtrooms or whatever can magically change reality.
I’m just someone who doesn’t pretend that evil is justified by ascribing it to “nations.”
“I’m just someone who doesn’t pretend that evil is justified by ascribing it to “nations.””
Sure nobody pretend that, some of us just acknowledge that the choice more often than not is between different versions of evil – and thus it becomes the notion of opting for the lesser evil – you as I see it refuse to acknowledge that this is the reality that most/many of us live in.
Feel free to “opt” all you like.
And let others do the same.
Conscription is the opposite of “opting” for any “lesser evil.” It’s enslavement with a non-trivial chance of the slave being murdered to boot. It’s the second most evil thing there is (murder itself being the first most evil).
You appear to believe that the ‘nation’ forcing conscription on one generation is enslavement (with as you point out correctly I might add the distinct possibility of being murdered which would be the worst) is the most evil.
So you opt for eternal enslavement – this is in effect what doing as you seem to prefer has led to for many a population through history. The majority of the rest of us have come to accept that when forced to choose between invasion and subjugation and most certainly more suffering, the nation can use conscription to force one generation to bear the higher cost of preserving the freedom we would like to have for future generations.
You can tank previous generations for the freedom your currently have – had they not carried the burden you would not have had that now – is it that you are blind to this?
Or at least I do
Ukraine has given me everything I have ever wanted
*Insert Smedley Butler here*
https://sonar21.com/russias-donbass-offensive-picking-up-steam/
Slightly off-topic. Did US National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan's visit to China last week pick up where US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen's previous visits left off?
Which is to say, did Sullivan enjoin the Chinese leadership to roll over US Treasuries? We're a bit late in the current cycle, Jake.
It's not as though a Chinese refusal will result in an American nuclear strike on Beijing. Though with the current US leadership. . . .
One would expect that if Beijing declares an imminent yuan-gold linkage, all hell could break loose in American financial markets.
https://x.com/i/status/1830652546664329493
Слава Бандера!!
Слава Україна!!
Let me translate for those that do not speak Russian tongue.
"Glory to Bandera!!
Slava Ukraine!!"
You extol the virtues or lack thereof the murderer Named Stepan Andriyovych Bandera. He was responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Jewish people among many others including Russian Slavic people, Gypsies, and anyone the Waffen SS wanted eliminated.
He oversaw the eliminations with Ukrainian Jewish people buried alive in the forests of western Ukraine.
Real nice! You can only be an uninformed child!
my god, I speak Ukrainian,.not Russian, you idiot
Bandera also fought against the Waffen-SS Einsatzgruppen later in the war
He fought for a Ukrainian state and I will always admire that
You should pick better heroes.
He’s a hero
And Ukirainian being Russian is a really common trope and really easy to disspell.
Sure, Ukrainian is close to Russian and Belarusian. However, Ukrainian is actually closer to our Belarusian friends (hopefully) more so than the Russian language. However, nobody is saying Ukraine should annex Belarus because saying Ukrainian = Russian actually gets you somewhere – a vessel of cultural propoganda
Слава Бандера!!
Слава Україна!!
Russia's change in nuclear doctrine is a response to the US/NATO and their insane exploration of using tactical nuclear weapons.
Bottom line: Jake Sullivan went to China to explore what would happen if the US/NATO uses tactical nukes in Ukraine/Russia.
China's answer is that the US/NATO would find themselves in a two front shooting war against Russia and China.
Ukraine is salivating and pushing for NATO nuclear war due to their insane blind hatred of Russia which goes back hundreds of years.
Ray McGovern conducts a tour de force covering these issues.
Very difficult to take these rumors seriously while the US is not even allowing Ukraine the use of conventional ATTACMS in Russia.
You needed to use "yet" in the above sentence. Lots of weapon systems that were not going to be supplied or were going to be restricted. Including nuclear capable F16 fighters. Didn't stay that way.
Should the Russians be concerned? Well, such things as NATO expansions, abrogated nuclear weapon agreements, attacks on Russian strategic nuclear early warning radar sites, repudiated first nuclear use agreements, pre deployment of B-61 v. 11 along with F35 stealth fighters. Forward deployment of nuclear capable missile systems in Eastern Europe, Deployment of fuze ballistic missiles capable of taking out hardened silos, Pentagon documents of winning a nuclear war. Bellicose statements about Russian election interference in the US and continuing rhetoric on how evil Russia and Russians, are along with US funded and CIA NGO's activities in Russia and countries bordering Russia
Here's a fact: in 1991 the US/NATO war against the Soviet Union ended. That same year, since the Soviet Union had ended, the US/NATO war against the Russian Federation something even
I think Russian use of nuclear weapons in Ukraine is extremely unlikely. Even if NATO gets directly involved in Ukraine. If, however, NATO invades or directly involves it's forces in Kursk or especially in another incursion into old Russia, Russia will destroy those forces in Russia, with nuclear weapons. That is in line with what Russian strategic advisors have said.
The open question is not if RUSSIA will preempt a nuclear attack, it's will the US/NATO claim Russia is preparing a preemptive strike and attack Russia, China and North Korea using that excuse. We've seen lies by the US political class and media mouthpieces get millions killed. Spent Trillions of dollars in wars of choice. Gotten 10's of thousands of American soldiers killed and maimed and wrecked families. For nothing.
Can we trust these psychos not to do something even more destructive? Are the Russians really being paranoid?
Sure – yet – however there were never bans on delivering F16 – nor their use AFAIK – if you can find any articles indicating otherwise I'd be happy to be corrected.
Sure they should be concerned – not about an invasion though nor about a first 'decapitation' strike (nuclear or otherwise).
The simple reason – NATO were not preparing for a war – as evidenced by their inability to supply Ukraine – nor were NATO preparing hypersonic weapons at an accelerated level – so no indication of preparations for an actual first strike.
No the threat of an invasion from the Soviet Union ended.
No that same year Russia together with the US started negotiating for the denuclearization of Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan – but we agree that it is very unlikely that Russia will use nukes in Ukraine.
NATO would never involve its troops directly in an invasion of Russia (partially for that exact reason).
Sounds fair – that is also the kind of thing that could start a nuclear war if it was the other way around.
And the answer is a clear NO – NATO (especially the US) can only lose from such a war – there is nothing to gain and everything to lose.
Indeed we have – all these 'initiatives' had one common denominator – parts of the US stood to gain – from a nuclear exchange no one have an expected better post situation.
Yes you can trust them to do what is best for themselves – and no the Russians are not paranoid – if they were they would not have moved troops from Kaliningrad and the Finish border.
They may say that they fear a NATO action but their actions prove that this is not actually what they fear.
Here you go: President Joe Biden said Monday that the U.S. won’t be providing F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine, appearing to reject a key request from the country as it fends off Russian aggression.
Kyiv has made it clear it would like to have fighter jets such as the F-16s, a hope renewed by the U.S. announcing last week the approval of the transfer of M1 Abrams fighter tanks. Yuriy Sak, an adviser to Ukraine’s defense minister, told CNBC last week, “We will get F-16s.”
But Mr. Biden threw cold water on that idea Monday. Asked on the White House South Lawn if the U.S. would provide F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine, he said, “No.”
That however is very far form saying that they ban the supply of F16 – it is just saying that the US would not be the direct provider.
The US is likely behind the ban on using Storm shadow – but there is no ban on (other nations) delivering F16.
You’re being dishonest. This is a distinction without a difference.
There are transfer restrictions on those weapons systems and the US has to approve those transfers. The US had to approve it. Fact: no NATO country sent those F16’s to Ukraine UNTIL the US said to do it.
So…… are these F16’s “allowed” to strike deep inside Russia? Do the countries that sent them to Ukraine call the shots?….. Or is it the USA that controls their use? As was their transfer to Ukraine.
This is a useless and counter productive discussion. I might as well listen to a US deep state mouthpiece such as CNN.
No, going back on a ban is very different from allowing other members of NATO to do as they please – there simply was never a ban on F16 – so the Russians could never have expected this ban to stand.
The notion that there was/is a ban on F16 post dates the promise by the Danes, the Dutch and the Norwegian's promising deliveries of F16.
Indeed – so the US had approved the supply of F16 already in early 2023 – the promise of training pilots being debated already in May 2023:
https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-war-ukraine-pilots-to-starting-training-on-f-16s-by-july-danish-defense-minister-hints/
No, incorrect no NATO country promised F16 until the US approved them doing so – they were not told to do so.
The Dutch have allowed their F16' to be< used for that.
The US has not said anything on the matter.
Especially as you have made up your mind before investigating the matter – if you doubt that others (than the US) can be more willing to allow deep strikes then you have issues with the several times others have done so only to be pushed to rescind these authorizations – a push that has to come from the US in most cases.
Michael, you need to read the Wolfowitz Doctrine, drafted in 1992. It's a blueprint for NATO expansion eastward after the collapse of the USSR. And the events since 1992 closely match the blueprint.
We’ve been over this earlier – I’m very familiar with the Wolfowitz Doctrine – only NATO never expanded against the wishes of neither its existing members nor against the wishes of the new member(s) – so the Wolfowitz Doctrine was only ever possible because of the attractiveness of being under NATO protection.
Thus any alignment between the events and the Wolfowitz Doctrine is caused not by a US plan but because of the new members wanting the economic advantages of EU membership and that only really works when investments are protected so NATO membership was a very necessary component too.
Actually the first to join (Poland & co) did so only by strongarming the Clinton administration – so Wolfowitz Doctrine had nothing to do with that.
Edit: Yes! I hate Russia! I wish pain and suffering upon Russia! Retribution for having squashed our beautiful nation since before the USA was even an idea! Russia deserves to feel the same pain beset on them what they've beset upon us!!
How is the West and us in Україна responsible for making Russia change their nuclear doctrine?
If you think this war is about us, you are wrong. The bigger picture is that Putin the Nazifascist decided that NATO was weak and struck the 1st hunk of meat his dog nose could smell. and that happened to be Ukraine.
Putin knows he can't win against NATO
NATO is the strongest group of armed forces in the world, with Germany, the USA, France, the UK, Poland, and Italy
Ukraine was never a nation until recently. It was always part of another ruler's empire so spare me the angst about your place in history.
Recently American NEOCON unelected warmongers overthrew the elected government of Ukraine and installed an American controlled puppet in power.
American Victoria Nuland, whose family emigrated from Ukraine, was the arch villain in subjugating Ukraine. Her actions have led to the death of over 500,000 Ukrainian men and the destruction of the area. In total there are now 750,000 dead and maimed Ukrainians.
The puppet Zelensky just keeps sucking up American and European money in his corrupt greedy way.
If you were not such a coward and dilatant you would rush to the frontlines and join the many who have expired helping Zelensky become a billionaire.
you are regarded on the Ukraine situation
Ukrainians are a people who have suffered more aggression and persecution than imaginable
Under Stalin
Under Hitler
Under the Tsars
Under the Kaiser
Under the Polacks
Under the Mongols
Under the Austro-Hungarians
Under the Ottomans
We have been finally alive for a mere 30 years. Our existence was being threatened by the Rus before our 30th anniversary
If you support that
Then you are a despicable and horrible human being
If Ukraine had stood on their own without sucking over $200 Billion out of America alone and countless $Billions from other countries that would be one thing.
Then allowing a coup instigated by America overthrowing the elected government is another issue. Russian Ukrainians were burned to death by fascist Azov criminals in the coup.
On top of reneging on Minsk I and Minsk II along with the peace treaty negotiated in Turkey there is the issue of fascist Ukrainians killing well over 15,000 Ukrainian Russians from 2014 to 2022
Finally inviting NATO to take over the Russian naval base in Crimea which can be considered the final straw.
So, NO Ukraine should not exist and never should have been allowed to be cobbled together. The western portion was part of the
Austro-Hungarian Empire and the eastern parts were part of Czarist Russia.
Get over yourself!
if stalin were here he;'d think the USSR was still around just by listening to you
are you a socialist?
if stalin were here he;'d think the USSR was still around just by listening to you
are you a socialist?
Комеді!!!
After provoking other nuclear powers with his last March new agressive nuclear doctrine, lame duck president Joe Biden has now 4 1/2 months to start a nuclear war before he leaves office.
Is this the new Kremlin talking point or have so many here now gone collectively mad???
Russia has nothing (and if any only temporary advantages) to gain from going nuclear.
Biden (the west and the US) have only negative outcomes from going nuclear.
If you can make any case for anybody standing to improve their expected outcomes by going nuclear feel free to make your case.
The US stands to make huge profits from staying conventional – more so if Ukraine loses, than if it wins but in either case they are set for very significant profits from weapons sales.
This you feel they would want to jeopardize because the Russians are threatening to take Pokrovsk???
With Bide<n refusing the use of long range weapons in Russia what is your case for the man wishing to almost guarantee nuclear war?
kremlin talking point
it's like we're in a chatroom lead by Orbán, Trump, and Medvedev, and it's moderated by Putin.
This article by Ted Postol, which was posted to AntiWar on August 31st, has some relevance to the Russian re-think on nukes:
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/biden-nuclear-strategy/
In brief summary, the US is putting new fuses on its warheads, which will increase their accuracy in striking hardened targets such as missile silos. With the improved fuse, or super-fuze, the US expects to be able to win a nuclear contest against both Russia and China.
As Dr. Postol puts it,
In other words, there are people in the War Department and Pentagon who seriously believe the US could win a nuclear war. While the Neocons in the State Dept. continue escalating the Ukraine conflict in exactly that direction.
Sounds almost plausible if one knows so little about the Russian (and Chinese nuclear deterrence) as to be ignorant of the nuclear armed submarines.
Not to mention that there are far more silo's than there are nukes to strike them – you see to fake silo is easy and to distinguish it from a real near impossible.
Yes, you are the expert here. What the hell does this Ted Postol know about anything. Tell us once again about the cooling towers of NPP's consisting exclusively of concrete and metal piping mr. expert. Jeez..
Try investigating the things you wish to write about and you too can know better!
I’m right about the cooling towers and I’m right about the fake silo’s – it is literally not rocket science – but easy and certainly used deception.
I can dig up the documentation – in case you believe that the Russians or the Chinese are too incompetent to deploy such deception.
oh! Hello Mr. Dog! Here to spray some m0re BS?
For those of you who seek the truth here is one door that opened to start a conflagration that moved the world toward a nuclear extinction level event.
Ukraine on Fire is available in its entirety on You Tube and Amazon.
"The documentary "Ukraine on Fire" from producer Oliver Stone tells the hidden story of how the ongoing conflict began, including the pivotal US role".
For those of you who seek the truth here is one door that opened to start a conflagration that moved the world toward a nuclear extinction level event.
Ukraine on Fire is available in its entirety on You Tube and Amazon.
"The documentary "Ukraine on Fire" from producer Oliver Stone tells the hidden story of how the ongoing conflict began, including the pivotal US role".