President Biden spoke with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Thursday and promised the US would help defend Israel from any reprisal attacks it may face from Iran or its allies in response to recent Israeli escalations.
Iran is vowing revenge for the Israeli assassination of Hamas’s political chief in Tehran, and Hezbollah is warning it will escalate in response to the Israeli strike in Beirut that killed one of its top commanders.
“The President reaffirmed his commitment to Israel’s security against all threats from Iran, including its proxy terrorist groups Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis,” the White House said in a readout of the Biden-Netanyahu call.
Biden also said the US was deploying more military assets to the region. “The President discussed efforts to support Israel’s defense against threats, including against ballistic missiles and drones, to include new defensive US military deployments,” the readout said. The White House said Vice President Kamala Harris was also on the call.
A Pentagon official told The Washington Post that the US had assembled 12 warships in the Middle East that were already in the region to prepare to defend Israel. The aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt and six US Navy destroyers are in the Persian Gulf, while three amphibious ships and two destroyers are in the Eastern Mediterranean.
US officials told Axios that the US is preparing for a direct Iranian attack on Israel and believes it could be bigger than the April 13 missile and drone attack that came in response to the Israeli bombing of the Iranian consulate in Damascus, Syria. The next attack could include Hezbollah and other Iranian allies.
Biden, Harris, and other US officials claim they’re trying to reduce tensions. But unconditional US military aid for Israel and vows to defend Israel no matter what it does in the region only emboldens Netanyahu and leads to more escalations.
Yes we must defend a government that would like to legalize rape of those detained without charge and the after their fun and games with these poor souls put a bullet through their heads so they can make room for another victim.
Supposedly the rape victims are Hamas, but maybe that’s an excuse. I guess torture is normal in the Arab world, though unacceptable to me.
Unacceptable to whom? Remember Abu Ghraib? Or for that matter, quite a few US prisons? The US population doesn't give a shit about torture.
I mean I don’t “approve.” I guess it doesn’t matter what I think.
Maybe Americans are worse on torture than Arabs. I wouldn’t really know. It’s tough to even criticise Israel after so many US war crimes.
The funniest thing is at another site a “conservative” was calling me a liberal for criticising past US war crimes when I mentioned Israel attacking Gaza.
I was arguing basically how it’s tough to criticise them, and this guy jumped in to defend the US. We “had to” nuke Japan. I couldn’t believe it.
Hey, if they meant "liberal" as in "of high moral, ethical, and humanist principles", take that as an unexpected compliment…!
These people are impossible to reason with. There's a Substack that I subscribe to (that's on FB too) that has that kind on mentality but is supposedly opposed to the "Deep State" and even Neocons. Doubt they know what that even means. Most are followers of Rev. Hagie type rhetoric. Hence, what I said about impossible to reason with. How can you take seriously people who believe the Earth was created in 6 days, about 6,000 years ago, etc.? And are quite a big segment of the population at that.
Israel is the only country in that region that "shares our values".
That’s a gross over generalization, the US population does care but there is little any of us can do about it.
Some of us.*
There is in fact a lot we can do…. Start with writing in nobody for every elected federal position on the ballot this November.
Sure, that can be done … if you’re in a state that allows write-in votes. And if you’re in a state allows those votes to be counted if they’re not for an eligible candidate who has registered as a write-in candidate, you might find the number of people who did that printed in the penultimate paragraph of a story on the lower right-hand corner of page A-17 of your local newspaper.
It does not matter if the write in is counted. The salient number is how many voted and the number of votes for listed candidates.
Existing political parties hold back political and social evolution. When we see they are a small percent of the votes cast, then we can begin creating a fresh, new country.
Why not just vote third party?
Periodic elections short circuit social and cultural evolution intentionally or unintentionally. I have not seen any long-term team-building skills by any third party. (the Jill Stein party is one example).
It's still a better opportunity for change than a write in campaign.
Change will come wqith a new country and a relocated capitol that goes not copy slave powered Rome.
I voted for her three times in past elections!!
Yes, 3rd party votes give third parties more access to the ballot!!!
That’s called not voting, which I’m very experienced at in this shithole country.
You can surely come up with a better idea than that I hope!!! But it is something but does it romote an end to the zgenocife…??????
I was out on the street today protesting & truthtelling for four hours!! Silence and inaction is complicity…!!!!!!!!! Just do something…..!!!!!
I think you can leave the word "Arab" out of the sentence. True but not useful, like saying "I think oxygen is common in the Arab world."
European Christians used to be against torture. The US is supposed to be against it. When we hear about the journalist being killed by the Saudis, we’re supposed to think of it as something America and Europe wouldn’t do, as well as states like Japan. You’d include some nonEuropean states if I knew more, that’s the core thinking.
"European Christians used to be against torture."
The, um, Crusades and Inquisitions and witch-hunts would have words with thee…
Don't confuse totalitarian political system with Christianity.
European fascist crusade against Bolshevism wasn't about defending Christianity and democracy. It was about robbing East Europe.
Medieval Crusades is a fake story created in 16-17 centuries by Vatican scholars.
Okay, hold on, before we get anywhere NEAR the first pile of Bolshevik…
Are you contending that the Crusades of the late 10th thru late 13th centuries, the Church-sanctioned attacks and conquests and slaughters in and of the Palestine "holy lands", never happened ?
I have all reasons to believe there were two crusades. First one was organized by Jesus Christ's brothers. It happened about ten years after execution of Jesus Christ. It was successful. Second crusade was against Egyptian army. Christian army was destroyed and the remnants ran away. 400 years later, Vatican used memories about those crusades as base for their fairy tales.
I'm not talking about your small-c crusades, which may or may not have happened, and which don't seem to have any relevance here.
You seemed to imply that you do not believe that the First thru Eighth Crusades of (~1095 thru ~1398) actually happened and that, in your exact words, "Medieval Crusades is a fake story created in 16-17 centuries by Vatican scholars."
Is that your contention ?
We can get to (and I do want to) these 45 C.E. and 450 C.E. "crusades" you mention (and they'd better not be akin to the modern 'Campus Crusade For Christ' or I'll throw pinecones at your house).
First I really REALLY need to verify that you inhabit the same observable Reality that I and the rest of us do.
What "observable reality" you are talking about? Books published starting 16th century? It is a provable fact that Scaliger-Petavius version of History is fake.
Academic's Fomenko Chronology looks to me much more reliable. According to Fomenko, Jesus Crist was executed in 1185. I think that is correct.
Mikhailovich-to-the-Chief, I am not confident you understand Reality.
Do you care what is true ? Kind of a huge question, that.
If you're running with the "the Dark Ages never happened" hypothesis, we can discuss that (it's fun and has some loose evidence in support).
It DOES seem like you claim the First thru Eighth Crusades were imagined and did not actually happen, is that your position ?
Mik is a loon.
Oh, no question there, Hakeem-the-dreamjoehill2. A friend (a History major) and I are just sounding the depths on how far that aquatic bird dives into the Nutty Pond.
Oh, and fun follow-up (as Mikhailovich Mouse has probably moved on / run away from addressing my queries)…
I passed on Mik-ULTRA's comments to my History major friend (whose focus was Byzantine history), particularly about the "Scaliger-Petavius" and "Fomenko" claims.
The friend called it "madness", that "Flat Earthers are credible by comparison" (to Mikhailovich), and "This guy sounds like what happens when you cross a biblical literalist with a Pastafarian", which is probably my favorite indictment.
"Medieval Crusades is a fake story created in 16-17 centuries by Vatican scholars."
LOL.
I know they brainwashed you very well
I see you’re fluent in MAGA-speak.
Fq you.
Fq your mouth
Eat it schmuck.
One need not be deranged to be MAGA, but it helps.
The other really good option, Being John Mikhailovich, is that you could coallate your "understanding" of "true history ™" into an essay, citing all your evidence and sources.
Then send that paper to dozens, maybe 50-60 professors of history and archaeology at accredited universities in any countries of your choice. Have them peer-review it.
Then submit it to accredited journals in the field(s) for publication.
If or when it passes those steps, you can expect tons of awards and recognition as your version overturns the "false" consensus narrative and therefore, worthy of strong confidence (belief) by the rest of us.
I'm still trying to figure out if he means a whitewashing propaganda campaign by the Church, or that Stanley Kubrick created the Crusades on a film stage in 1969.
Have you forgotten the Bush Torture Camps & 20 year fight at Guantanamo with no trial of the accused, the reason, BECAUSE THEY WERE TORTURED, IS WHAT THEY SAID WHILE BEING TORTURRD ADMISBLE AS EVIDENCE OR NOT. The U.S. has admitted they used torture to get confessions. So much for "Arabs torture" It's OF GAZA…as American as the Genocide in Gaza,,, WITH BUSH SENDING 14,000 one ton bombs to the Nutty Yahu to drop on the women and CHILDREN!! GENICIDE JOE needs to go into long term care!!!!
Yea, I guess I just have cognitive dissonance. If I ever get rich, I’d like to build a museum in DC displaying the negatives of US foreign policy.
Like the last time defending against the Iranian hypersonic missiles…?!
I doubt that Iran will do the same thing as last time, I'd look for a targeted attack to take out Ben Gvir or one of those other barbarians.
If that does happen, you can count on the controlled media bleating about it being an "unprovoked attack", like when they retaliated against the Iranian consulate in Syria assassinations.
Iran will continue to maneuver US in to bankruptcy.
Remember the balloon attack? Million$ were spent.
Just imagine bunch of aging Biden’s in F16’s and 10 year olds at the front line. What are the chances of success?
THERE IS AN OLD PROVERB THAT A LITTLE KNOWLEDGE IS A DANGEROUS THING. Perhaps a little power is a dangerous thing too….. Is an apt COROLLARY!! It seems the BIG BOYS in that part of town have not said much. Is that a green or yellow light…..??????
Power corrupts.
Absolute shitheads are in charge of our world, somehow they think starting a global war is a fabulous idea and are convinced that they will win. We will all lose, all of us, with these idiots in charge. It's hard not to be totally discouraged with this lunacy.
They can try to start their war. It's up to us, all of us, to refuse to play along. They don't get our votes, they don't get us or our kids to fight their wars, and they don't get our money invested in their MIC pals building doomsday weapons.
They are in charge of the western part of the world. The eastern part of the world is okay. Russia, China, India, Iran are governed by adequate politicians.
Yes very bad sending sitting ducks large slow shipe out to face missiles. Should the gloves come off Biden's fleet will be sleeping with the FISH…..!!!!
AMEN….!!!!!!'
Looks like the colony is steering the mother country again. . .
More proof that, contrary to news reports, including here in Antiwar.com, Biden is FULLY in support of a wider war in the Middle East. Both the US neocons and Israelis have decided that now is the time to destroy all of the US and Israel's enemies in the Middle East.
Unfortunately for the US and Israel, the Axis of Resistance has decided the same thing: the time is now to destroy Israel and drive the US out of the Middle East.
Listening to Mearsheimer on Judge Nap as I type this. He assumes Marines won't be deployed – except for the simple fact that they're ALREADY THERE in the region – but he has to admit that if the war starts "all bets are off."
Someone, I forget who, yesterday pointed out that the USS Eisenhower is a "sitting duck" for a variety of Axis missiles, and all you have to do is damage the flight deck to put it out of action. Then the other ships come in to assist – and they get hit. You might not sink the Eisenhower, but they might well sink some of the support ships. If the Eisenhower goes down, you lose 5,000 sailors. All of which is quite possible given the missile capability of virtually everyone in the Middle East, from Ansarallah in Yemen on up to Iran.
Judging from the rhetoric it was either Ritter or Macgregor, both have made statements like that in the past — and they are not wrong.
Yea those ships would prove how outdated the navy is.
I pray for no war. I especially pray for no tactical nuke usage from the US or Russia.
I agree, however I think we would see Israel use theirs long before the other two countries mentioned.
And with US blessings no matter who is president.
We are dealing with insane people in Washington AND Tel Aviv.
Common sense would have told normal people to stop and negotiate ending the mess they created.
But common sense people would not have started it in the first place.
Rosa Luxemburg said, for the rich profits go up while the people go down. Not literally word for word, but the meaning.
Some rich are better than others. It’s not always bad. I just hate how some get rich by cheating. Wealth is a threat beyond some point, but it’s tough to figure it.
I hate that war is profitable.
"…those ships would prove how outdated the navy is."
Yeesh, and JUST when the Navy was out from under the P.R. nightmare that Village People song has created !
The NY Times reported today that the bomb Israel used to assassinate Haniyeh was planted in the Iranian guest house where he was scheduled to stay several months ago. Netanyahu met with Biden last Thursday, six days before the assassination. Either Biden Ok'd the hit or Netanyahu lied to Biden (again).
Why would they need Biden's permission?
Cause they often work in tandem. ;-/
WHY? Perhaps to not wander very far off the farm & stay close to what is left of biden's mind!!!!!
They don't need their permission, they need their money and weapons, in other words, total support of their bought and sold Congressional puppets.
How have you drawn this conclusion……..?????????
The Israelis presumably knew that Haniyeh would be staying in the booby trapped guest house.when Netanyahu met Biden last Thursday, six days before the assassination. Either Biden OK'd the plan or Netanyahu didn't tell him. Very likely that US tech was used to set up and execute the plan.
Either that or Israel had the guest house booby trapped just in case someone who offended them (Hamas leader, small children, Tucker Carlson, etc.) stayed there. Or the NYT is wrong. Again.
You sayin' Mossad hacked AirBnB ?
No. I said Mossad planned the hit in advance. Bibi knew. Either Biden OK’d the assassination or Bibi didn’t tell Biden when they met last week.
I'd go so far as to agree that the Mossadi'i planned ( a ) hit in advance.
Unless the IRI has exactly one Official Guest Residence, where everyone stays, and Mossad knew two months ago exactly WHO would be staying in that one exact place…
…the most I can grant you is that Israeli agents mined that residence for an unspecified future purpose some time ago…and when eyes-on-the-ground verified that Haniyeh was who moved in for a stay, someone high up in the ASI said "Yeah, he's worth it. Use the bomb."
The man killed was not a man of peace.
He was negotiating the closest thing that can come to peace in this situation. He even suggested Hamas would lay done their weapons for a real Palestinian state. Compare that to Bibi and his nut jobs he got in bed with to remain in power and he looks like a man of peace compared to that filth.
Neither was Abraham Lincoln.
Both fought just wars against racists.
The u.s. administration isn't acting in any logical way, in reguards to this whole conflict. The u.s. has always acted irrationally with israel's blatant criminality. there's only 2 things tht might explain this. The first and most unlikely, is Israel has damning evidence or proof, of some insidious cabal of international blood drinking, peadophile ring, that is headed by the washington elites. The second option is that, unbeknown to Americans and the rest of the world, Israel and the u.s. are the same entity, they are seamlessly fused together. The fake disagreements between biden and bibi, is just petty power struggles in the same administration, with the same goals. Whatever it is, it is rotten to the core and we'll likely all pay a steep price when this is all over, like an uninhabitable planet, or a world more polluted with radiation like road warrior. neither party seems to care about any consequences for humanity, like super powerful narcissists , it's only about them and nobody can stop them.
" unbeknown to Americans and the rest of the world, Israel and the u.s. are the same entity, they are seamlessly fused together"
James Angleton fused the CIA with the Mossad. There are statues in Israel celebrating him.
Trump has been noticeably silent about Israel's assassination of the Hamas political leader in Iran on his Truth Social platform.
His ear is burning.
Funny
SO MANY UPVOTES.
Nothing funny about America becoming a Third World banana republic where they openly try to bankrupt, imprison or kill the former President and leading political opposition candidate.
Ironic, then, when the former President in question is the one leading them down that banana-republic path.
And how exactly is he doing that? Be specific please.
He praised the writers of, endorses the concepts of, and intends to implement the very real and very serious Project 2025 manifesto constructed by ~100 noteworthy Conservatives.
During his tenure, estimates put him in the region of 30,000 (that's thirty THOUSAND) documented lies and falsehoods he uttered…well within "banana republic" propagandist territory.
Hells – science advocate and humanist Aron Ra summarises Trump and "his" GOP pretty decently here :
https://youtu.be/WnocdRHRNLA?si=exHuRTSPWXXHkzQQ
(NewsNation) — Former President Donald Trump’s campaign lashed out against the group behind the conservative plan Project 2025, issuing an ominous warning to anyone attempting to link him to the controversial document.
“It will not end well for you,” the campaign said in a statement Tuesday.
Trump’s campaign released the statement minutes after Paul Dans, the director of the 2025 Presidential Transition Project at conservative think tank The Heritage Foundation, announced he would be stepping down from the group in August.
His departure comes amid escalating criticism of the plan by former President Donald Trump and his campaign, according to The Wall Street Journal.
“President Trump’s campaign has been very clear for over a year that Project 2025 had nothing to do with the campaign, did not speak for the campaign, and should not be associated with the campaign or the President in any way,” the Trump campaign said in a statement. “Reports of Project 2025’s demise would be greatly welcomed and should serve as notice to anyone or any group trying to misrepresent their influence with President Trump and his campaign— it will not end well for you.”
Not for the first time…and not for the last time…is Trump openly lying about something.
It is a fact he praised the authors of Project 2025.
It is a fact he later acted like he didn't.
It is a fact, indeed, that he's trying to distance himself from Project 2025 when the dystopian dipsh*tterty that is that far-Right wish list of horrors was widely distributed and poured-over.
It is a fact that Trump's base – the authors of Project 2025, and Christian Nationalists (or do I repeat myself ?) – consider him the ONLY chance they will have in any foreseeable future, to see this P/2025 nightmare through to fruition.
AND a fact that Trump needs those same P/2025 authoring Christian Nationalists to get him elected and back into power. They will back him if he makes Project 2025 a reality. Which he will if re-elected.
It is a fact that some key tenets of Project 2025 (replacing career DoJ employees with Trump Loyalists; eliminating the EPA, Dept. of Education; allowing use of the Military for domestic counter-protest policing; making it illegal to protest or block Corporate construction projects; gutting the 1st Amendment) are all past-and-present, declared intentions and desires of Trump himself.
Complete control of the DoJ ALONE gives Trump the ability end all prosecutions against him & keep himself out of jail. Owning SCOTUS is great; a fawning DoJ is even better (especially if he can use it to revenge against enemies and hobble future political opponents or rivals).
If he's pretending he wasn't for it back when he WAS for it and is STILL for it, he's absolutely lying. Again.
MAGA bullshitter. Plan 2025 was written by Trumpers.
Trump Derangement Syndrome is a mental disorder.
And you display acute symptoms of one variant of it.
How do you diagnose dreamjoehill2 ?
On the basis of his comment regarding Project 2025? I'd have to diagnose him as … observant.
I diagnose him as an unhinged lunatic.
I could see reasons for doing that, but noticing the nature and origin of Project 2025 doesn't seem like one of them.
Go fq yourself NAZI boy!
You are MAGA filth.
Eat sh-t and die NAZI!
On the contrary, maybe Trump's experience in Butler PA has taught him that assassinating political leaders isn't cool. I doubt it, but I still hope he has learned.
He learn nothing from the experience.
He learned God is with him.
Oh please. God was busy making sure the Palestinians were being butchered.
I'm sure he believes that.
How else to explain it? Trump was supposed to have had his head exploded live on CNN as a clear message to anybody else who dare challenge the Deep State.
But God had other plans.
There is a bullet hole in his ear helix now…!
You gotta wonder how this actually wwent down. Clearly Biden didn't make the call. More likely Sullivan & Blinken got a call from their "minders" who gave them a script written in Tel Aviv to be produced "as best you can" for the record … and the suckers.
Antiwar linked to an article in Responsible Statecraft, with the following:
This is called chutzpah. How dare they attack us! We are always innocent victims! Haven't we suffered enough? (As if "we" included people like Netanyahu.)
Rul https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8ed1f3c414f70cceeb87451d83b82e953976dac48d5ecd5431d6608f7912cc0d.jpg es for thee but not for my lil' buddy and me
Does anyone believe that Biden spoke to anyone, or even is conscious at this point? Can Joe fog a mirror?
$35 Trillion in debt and the madman Joey Biden still thinks his credit card has unlimited funds!
What does he care he will be dead from old age and swept into the dustbin of history to join his grifter son Beau, but not soon enough to save the American economy!
Why would he care any more for Americans than Palestinians? He loves the empire not America.
He already did that, his job was to operate the wrecking ball.
He left blood, dead and rubble in his wake, job well done.
Dave everyday with my morning coffee: "Netanyahu commits more atrocities. US vows military support." I'm starting to taste Dave's articles in my coffee.
Biden might not know what day it is, but his senility will never take away his unconditional loyalty to that terroristic parasite stuck to our underbelly. No need for puppeteers.
In the voice of "Diamond" Joe Quimby, "If unconditional support for Israel is the way the political winds in D.C. are blowing, let it not be said that I, Joe Biden, do not also blow."
Yep, we need to send the fleet to protect against the fearsome Iranian navy…
Worse troubles always follow when the US pledges to defend another country.
White Brothers and Black Sisters, being complicit in War Crimes, have to defend their Zionist War Criminals. America has lost it's mind and to bring SANITY back, we need to vote OUT every Zionist. The Dem/Rep Parties are STOMPING on our Constitution!
How is it possible when mad men are leading the blind? Democracies are Zionist Zombies, not human beings with common sense and decency. We have scum leadership.
That would be great, except for the fact that many of the ones making Zionist or Ukraine friendly decisions (or otherwise running the show) weren't even elected.
How can a demented old man be president, is this the best a democracy has to offer? That is like inmates ruling the asylum. That intellectual and moral scum is the best this nation can do? The celebrate and glorify war crimes, they are swimming in blood and want more.
I have no words to describe the American/Israeli Zombie neocon, Zionist killer machine.
This is evil. I am glad Biden is soon gone, and sooner would be better.
I oppose any action to help or protect Israel.
I want to see Israel and its leadership indicted, and punished.
I want to see the UN revoke the Resolution creating Israel, because Israel has never complied, and ought not to exist in its present form.
Ditto that!
Never would have been best. Not to forget the people who made him possible, the rich donors.
Ditto that!
The UN did declare the state of Israel illegal if I am not mistaken.
It's like the NFL. Coach Netanyahu simply Declined the penalty.
You are mistaken. The UN did not declare the state of Israel illegal. If the UN did, Israel would not be a member of the UN.
The UN did declare Israel illegal, but the US CONTROLS THE UN, WE LIVE IN LAWLESS TIMES.
For now Israel and the USA/NATO alliance have isolated themselves, the other nations all over the globe respect the UN decision, it supports the rights of the Palestinians around the globe making the Western powers pariah states, outcasts in the rest of the world.
"The UN did declare Israel illegal" Care to share the UN resolution number that made the the declaration that "UN did declare the state of Israel illegal".
WHY BOTHER, the world knows it and it makes no difference, Israel is an illegal state. The UK and USA took land not belonging to them and turned it over to the Israeli Zionists. And I don’t care what the Thora, Quran or Bible says. The Palestinian people were robbed of their land that is a historical fact, 1948 the Western powers carved up the ME WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THE PEOPLE LIVING THERE.
When the UK pulled out of the “Palestine Mandate,” they left every bit of land they had controlled in Arab hands — and then provided officers for the most professional of the Arab armies to help them take the rest.
Where did you get that from? The first British "High Commissioner" for Palestine was a bloke named Herbert Samuel in 1922. An ardent Zionist and English Jew he started the systematic colonial project to turn Palestine into a Jewish state. The Palestinians had no idea what was about to befall them.
I "got that from" history.
Not sure what Samuelson has to do with anything. He wasn't "High Commissioner for Palestine" in 1948. Alan Cunningham was.
Without the British colonial Mandate of Palestine for 30 years there could never have been the facilitation of mass migration of Jews into that area. The British saw the prizes of Palestine, and especially Jerusalem, won in WWI , as precious colonial possessions of the empire that they hoped to hang on to. The diaspora Jews were viewed as the colonial “settlers” who would guarantee the maintenance of British rule there. Your suggestion that the British were hostile to the Zionist project and “Left all the land” in Arab hands is almost laughable.
Well, it WOULD be laughable if it wasn’t irrefutable historical fact of reality.
The Balfour Declaration of 1917 is an irrefutable historical fact. You should read it sometime.
I've read it. I've also noticed it was issued two monarchs and 13 governments before the foundation of Israel. Have you read the White Paper of 1939?
The post-WW2 regime did its damnedest to stop Jewish immigration to Palestine, abstained from the vote on UNR 181, turned all the territory it controlled over to the Arab forces as it left Palestine, armed, trained, provided air support for, and in one case officered the invading Arab armies.
The UK didn't become even moderately "pro-Israel" until the 1970s, and even then imposed an arms embargo on Israel from 1982-94.
Those are just facts. You don't have to like the fact that they're facts. They're facts whether you like the fact that they're facts or not.
“The UK didn’t become even moderately “pro-Israel” until the 1970s”
Explain the “Suez Crisis” of 1956 when Israel, England and France coordinated to attack and invade Egypt.
The English didn’t give a tinker’s dam about Israel — they just wanted to get rid of Nasser and reopen/de-nationalize the Suez Canal. The nearby enemy of their enemy was briefly their friend.
It is notable I suppose that Queen Elizabeth ll, who traveled just about everywhere during her 70 year reign, never once visited Israel. But we still can’t get around the fact that the British government issued the Balfour declaration and then spent 30 years under their Palestine mandate facilitating large scale Jewish immigration in order to establish a Jewish state there.
Sure, if by “facilitating large scale immigration in order to establish a Jewish state there” you mean “fighting tooth and nail against Jewish immigration, then arming, training, and officering invading Arab armies, to which it handed over everything it controlled, in order to prevent the establishment of a Jewish state there.”
Sure, if by “facilitating large scale immigration in order to establish a Jewish state there” you mean “fighting tooth and nail against Jewish immigration, then arming, training, and officering invading Arab armies, to which it handed over everything it controlled, in order to prevent the establishment of a Jewish state there.”
Sure, if by “facilitating large scale immigration in order to establish a Jewish state there” you mean “fighting tooth and nail against Jewish immigration, then arming, training, and officering invading Arab armies, to which it handed over everything it controlled, in order to prevent the establishment of a Jewish state there.”
The British facilitated massive Jewish immigration into Palestine until it became clear to them that the Zionists ultimately wanted the Brits out and an independent Jewish state declared. At that point they felt hoodwinked.
"WHY BOTHER" Your response indicates that there is no UN resolution that classified Israel has an illegal state.
You believe what you want to believe.
I believe in facts. Which you are unable to back up your statement with.
You believe in your facts, as they fit the official narrative.
I can back up my statements but I don’t play games with people who have made up their mind and whos mind is made of concrete. They are in denial, why should I waste my time?
If you have facts to prove me wrong put them on the table.
UN resolutions are not valid If the US says so, why bother?
Not to worry, the US has veto power. What the UN says makes Israel look bad, but otherwise nothing will change.
Harris or Trump will not be an improvement. The donor class, a structured above us will still run the show.
Well, Mark. You are going to be 0 for 3 on your wish list.
Biden can send his son for deployment inside the tunnel and thus rescue him from the sweage he is stuck in here in DC.
God bless those who bless Israel- CUFI.
So did Weimar republic, pre 1948 United Kingdom and I think Moorish Spain in the past .
The promise to defend Israel is about as convincing as the promise to defend Ukraine. Although all soldiers are trained to follow orders, what US soldier is going to proudly risk his life for Israel, especially after witnessing the deliberate and nihilistic slaughter in Gaza?
We have those types of men. Trust me.
Did you not watch what happen in April when Iran last attacked Israel?
We don't have a draft, we have career mercenaries only.
Besides that, American promises don't count, they are not worse the paper they are written on. Americans will turn their back on the Ukrainians and Europeans and walk away.
The man is a puppet, whose slack jaw is being moved from behind the curtain. I wonder who his personal handler is.
Most likely the irrational, morally bankrupt political establishment and the donor class funding them. Establishment scum must be in charge.
Biden, a corrupt Zionist, always a Zionist.
When Joe Biden finally quits politics after 50 years of loyal services to AIPAC, it will be good riddance.
The sooner the better.
Why is he still president, he is a senile old warmonger? He is in a senile coma, what about the nations irresponsible leading elite, noting but horse manure? Who put them in charge, who picks the candidates we may vote for.
We need regime change and a reformed voting system.
There was a coup, you know. The donor class saw Biden as a liability, threatened to pull their $$$ support, so, Biden was pushed out.
If you are using the definition of a coup as "a notable successful move" then I agree with your statement. If you are using the definition of a coup as an "unlawful seizure of power from a government" than I disagree with your statement.
Harris and others will pick up the slack. Kamila "we will defend Israel" Harris will continue the support of the genocide in Gaza (by the way, there are now 800,000 settlers in the West Bank), encouraged on by her husband Doug Emhoff.
Harris, Biden want more Palestinians DEAD, they are Zionist and believe in this Genocide, if they didn't, they would have already stopped the slaughter. Shame on them, the Dems, the Reps, they NO longer believe in our Republic, our Constitution or the RULE of LAW. Cowards, because it is them, who should be defending the Palestinians, NOT the invading Zionist Army of Israel.
Trump is no better, there is no common sense government, one party and no opposition in congress at all. Tel Aviv orders to jump and they jump no questions asked.
Hi Lysis:
I do not think Gina is implying such about the reps.
Zionism is clearly what is in question here, since all beings and entities have a right to exist.
:-}
Donna, I agree with Gina, just a little misunderstanding, I think. The Dem. Reps are Cowards Gina posted, only I add the Republicans too.
The Reps are the Zionists' "useful idiots", to use Netanyahu's words.
Of course the US will protect Israel. For those wishing and hoping the US will abandon Israel, forget it. That is not going to happen for two reasons. First, the USA would look weak if they walk away from protecting Israel. Second, the US knows full well that if Iran gains the upper hand against Israel and threatens Israel existence, out comes the nuclear bombs. The US does not want that.
If the US had quality leadership and government they would have common sense and morals they would stop Israel or walk away.
But the US has no common sense leadership, they have useful idiots serving Israel, actually they are a treacherous government. Traitors of their people.
Iranians have justified national interests, their natural recourses belong to the Iranians, Israel has no rights in Iran. But useful idiot Americans serving Israelis will try to get the hot coals out of the fire for Netanyahu. Stupid as stupid can be.
I am giving you a cyber hug!!!
Your hug felt great, thanks.
And third, because congress is bought and paid for by AIPAC.
The truth that majority Americans support Israel. Those who can not accept this, revert to claiming the Congress is purchased by AIPAC.
The two aren't mutually exclusive.
An oldie but goodie:
“You see this napkin? In 24 hours, we could have the signatures of 70 Senators on this napkin.” –Former AIPAC official Steven Rosen
And yes, most Americans probably do support Israel. But they are the same people who think Putin wants to reconstitute the USSR. They're fed the same crap you are, and they believe it just like you do. Sadly, you ignore the truth provided here.
The truth that most Americans support Israel. But the real truth is that you don't like America and you will believe any Anti American information that is presented to you.
I already said they probably do. And then you accused antiwar.com of publishing anti American information which somehow makes me dislike America.
The US administration and congress gave Netanyahu the go ahead to provoke a war with Iran. Congress applauded sending the message, they have his back, go Netanyahu go, we have your back, we are your useful idiots as you well know.
The United State of Israel is hard at work…!
I think it is time to think about a good old fashioned, home made bomb shelter: nuke proof.
Would be nice, but think about all the rubble on top of your shelter trapping you and what will be left to come out to?
Maybe our irrational elite thinks they can immigrate to the moon or mars taking all the conquered oil resources with them. and to hell with the blue planet. /s
I'd love to see it. The elites leave Earth, their tanks full of crude oil. And they arrive at Mars to realise the onboard tanks were for drinking water.
LOL
1967 borders the rest is disputed.
1967 borders are disputed, 1948 borders are disputed, and all the rest is disputed.
LOL! ;-}
The long standing USA position was 1967 borders with mutually agreed land swaps. Or maybe it was 73 borders
Since Israel became a state its borders were always being disputed by someone.
And since Israel became a state its borders have remained the borders specified in UNR 181. “Disputing” them is like “disputing” whether water is wet.
There is fantasy and then there is reality. Those 181 borders existed on paper for less than a day. The 1948 war redefine those 181 borders. The 1948 war change layout of the Middle East as Israel, Jordan and to less extent Egypt carved up the land.
And BTW water is not always wet. Cool it to 170 degree Kelvin and it is as dry as sand.
Those 181 borders have existed both on paper and in international law for 77 years now.
I agree they exist on paper. But not on the ground where it counts. There is no chance that those 1948 paper borders will ever become reality.
“Borders” exist, and have always existed, only on paper. They are imaginary lines drawn on the ground by politicians.
It just so happens that the politicians comprising the leadership of Israel agreed to the borders on the paper known as UNR 181 as a condition of UN membership. Since Israel remains a UN member state and the UN has never agreed to any renegotiation of those borders, the piece of paper in question is what determines the borders. Everything outside those borders isn’t Israel. You don’t have to like it. That’s how it is whether you like it or not.
And whether you like it or not, the reality on ground is what counts. If you don't believe me try to visit Jerusalem without Israel stamping your passport. It won't happen. The UN borders have never been and never will be the real borders of Israel. The 181 borders are the UN de jure Israel borders, the current real borders are the de facto borders.
BTW the border between Israel and Egypt is determined by the treaty between those two countries. The UN has no authority over that treaty.
Who is our illustrious president. taking his orders from?!
I DO BELIEVE IT IS WE THE PEOPLE!
Donna, we are governed by insane criminals, not real statesmen/women serving the people's interests.
We the people do not support the brutal, unbelievable crimes against the Palestinian people.
We the people, are being deliberately deceived, lied to and pertinent truth is being omitted with the help of the privately owned corporate donor class member. Public manipulation of the best.
The majority of Western democracies is in the hands of treacherous, insane, criminal elements.
We need real leadership with character, integrity and morals, we don't have it, and there is no such leadership to vote for at this time, unless a wonder happens it is all there is.
And another thing and this basic stuff! It takes everyone of us to make a truly free, fair and lasting peace!!!
Bibi Netanyoyo ain’t the boss of US!
Donna, you think, I think you are mistaken, Netanyahu is the boss, the Reps in congress told him, they have his back and will be his useful idiots, and he went home to assassinate leading Palestinian/Arab leaders to provoke war.
Reminder:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bSL3JqorkdU
Gen. Wesley Clark, Democracy Now! interview, 2007. Objective:
take out 7 countries in 5 years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Iran.
I knew why, because I had been through the Pentagon right after 9/11. About 10 days after 9/11, I went through the Pentagon, and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz. I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the Joint Staff who used to work for me, and one of the generals called me in. He said, “Sir, you’ve got to come in and talk to me a second.” I said, “Well, you’re too busy.” He said, “No, no.” He says, “We’ve made the decision we’re going to war with Iraq.” This was on or about the 20th of September. I said, “We’re going to war with Iraq? Why?” He said, “I don’t know.” He said, “I guess they don’t know what else to do.” So I said, “Well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to al-Qaeda?” He said, “No, no.” He says, “There’s nothing new that way. They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq.” He said, “I guess it’s like we don’t know what to do about terrorists, but we’ve got a good military, and we can take down governments.” And he said, “I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail.”
So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, “Are we still going to war with Iraq?” And he said, “Oh, it’s worse than that.” He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, “I just got this down from upstairs” — meaning the secretary of defense’s office — “today.” And he said, “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.” I said, “Is it classified?” He said, “Yes, sir.” I said, “Well, don’t show it to me.” And I saw him a year or so ago, and I said, “You remember that?” He said, “Sir, I didn’t show you that memo! I didn’t show it to you!”
It should be clear to every democrat voter by now that there is absolutely NOTHING that Israel can or will do that will stop the Kamala Harris-Joe Biden regime from backing them to the hilt.
gop would do the same too…!
Trump is a Wild Card. Nobody owns him. Especially since he doesn't have to run for re-election. Trump will put American interests ahead of anything. This explains the frenzied RESISTANCE to him. Trump is the only hope of change in the DC oligarchy that we have. Kamala we know will be just another 4 years of Biden.
The next time Trump puts American interests ahead of his whims will be the first time. And it’s unlikely there will ever be a first time.
You have nothing to worry about since Chase Oliver is a virtual shoo-in for president : )
I'm well aware that the next president almost certainly won't be one I like, even if there could be such a thing as a president I liked (the closest to that is probably Grover Cleveland, but he wasn't that great).
I'm also well aware that neither of the likely winners is different enough from the other to make it worth wasting my vote on one of them.
You remember Grover? How old are you?
I'm older than dirt.
But not old enough to have experienced Grover's presidency in real time.
;-}
Ain’t we all?!…..
Archbishop of Canterbury @JustinWelby
The International Court of Justice has made clear that Israel’s presence in the Occupied Palestinian Territories is unlawful and needs to end rapidly.
The State of Israel has been denying the Palestinian people dignity, freedom and hope.
Read my statement here: https://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/news/news-and-statements/archbishop-canterbury-statement-icjs-advisory-opinion-israel-and-occupied ( https://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/news/news-and-statements/archbishop-canterbury-statement-icjs-advisory-opinion-israel-and-occupied)
It takes courage to speak out when you know the abuse and vitriol from powerful forces that will inevitably be coming your way because of it.
"will put American interests ahead of anything" LOL. When has he ever done that? Trump only cares about himself.
Care to explain how moving the embassy to Jerusalem was an example of putting
American interests ahead of anything?
The US government had been promising to move the US embassy to Jerusalem for MANY YEARS before Trump.
And Trump did it. So, in the ass kissing Israel contest, where does that put Trump?
It was Netanyahoo who came to bow and pay homage to former President Donald Trump at Mar-a-lago, not the other way around.
He wasn't there if Trump didn't want him there. Trump shook his hand. Said they are friends and always were friends.
But regarding Israel getting anything from Biden/Harris (or Harris/Biden), Trump has chastised them for withholding weapons shipments and for not being fully behind Israel. He hasn't said anything that would give any indication his loyalty towards them won't continue into his second term.
How much worse could it possibly get for the Palestinians in Gaza or the West Bank? Even gassing them in gas chambers would be more humane than what they are currently experiencing trapped in that ghetto.
The question is whether Trump's policies will be "better" for the Palestinians. What has he said that leads you believe that to be a possibility? Does bitching about Biden cutting off a shipment of 2000 lb bombs sound like someone who gives a rat's ass about the Palestinians? Or hosting the mass murderer at his golf resort? Or promising to deport protesters? And what "job" was he talking about "finishing"? Saying things can't get worse is hardly a ringing endorsement.
US Politics 101 : You can’t get elected President of the US if you are openly anti-Zionist.
But I believe Trump understands the situation. Trump is on record as saying flat out that he doesn’t believe Netanyahoo really wants Peace.
And what did he say after that? Anything about stopping the ongoing genocide? Trumps rhetoric is no different than Haley's or Cotton's. There is nothing there that would make me believe he'd suddenly do a 180.
Cotton Dome version 2…!?
Sunday, May 6, 2018: Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu: "We are determined to block Iran's aggression against us, even if this means a struggle. Better now than later."
July 15, 2019: Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu: "At the moment, the only army in the world to fight Iran – this is the Israeli army."
Nine months in the Gaza Strip only 141 square miles in area; over 14,000 bombs and Hamas is still fighting.
No more wounded warriors, like in Iraq and Syria for Israel!
It'll be a miracle if we don't get another 9-11 here in the US.
A true and lasting peace in the M.E. Means a truly free, fair and just Palestinian country!
FREE PALESTINE!!!
What do you mean "Free Palestine"? Free from what?
Seriously Tim?…
;-}
Talk about being willfully ignorant.
Baby Israel needs to be defunded, not defended…….
And I do love Israel too!
xxxooo
P.S. Time to find the one and true Christ!!!
Don’t you all think it is about time?!
Let that love and light into your hearts!!!
IOF thugs protesting in support of anal rape of Palestinians:
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bd66d6ab502e2f152fcebb7da8c636ec0a2cf13ec33f3cd39d9f421f57bc6bab.jpg
Come on guys, out of that closet!!!
Reminder:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bSL3JqorkdU
Gen. Wesley Clark, Democracy Now! interview, 2007. Objective:
take out 7 countries in 5 years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Iran.
I knew why, because I had been through the Pentagon right after 9/11. About 10 days after 9/11, I went through the Pentagon, and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz. I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the Joint Staff who used to work for me, and one of the generals called me in. He said, “Sir, you’ve got to come in and talk to me a second.” I said, “Well, you’re too busy.” He said, “No, no.” He says, “We’ve made the decision we’re going to war with Iraq.” This was on or about the 20th of September. I said, “We’re going to war with Iraq? Why?” He said, “I don’t know.” He said, “I guess they don’t know what else to do.” So I said, “Well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to al-Qaeda?” He said, “No, no.” He says, “There’s nothing new that way. They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq.” He said, “I guess it’s like we don’t know what to do about terrorists, but we’ve got a good military, and we can take down governments.” And he said, “I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail.”
So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, “Are we still going to war with Iraq?” And he said, “Oh, it’s worse than that.” He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, “I just got this down from upstairs” — meaning the secretary of defense’s office — “today.” And he said, “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.” I said, “Is it classified?” He said, “Yes, sir.” I said, “Well, don’t show it to me.” And I saw him a year or so ago, and I said, “You remember that?” He said, “Sir, I didn’t show you that memo! I didn’t show it to you!”
You totally rock ED!
Thinking of Bruce Cockburn.
So we're just fine with assassinating peace negotiators. I mean, who would do that? Maybe somebody who doesn't want peace?
SO DOES HE MEAN THE U. S. Will attack anyone or state that f tries to stop Israel's genocide of the women& children in Gaza…??????
They don't call it Attack, rather Defend….! To supposedly Reduce the Escalations…! Whatever that means…!
However, in Houthis case Defending wasn't enough… so they attack Yemen soil…! So, now that is also Not Enough because they're attacking Blind Targets in Yemen… and Houthis keep hitting Israeli, US and UK ships…! Meanwhile, they secretly talked to Iran to put pressure on Houthis to stop their attacks, and that didn't work…!
AS DEADLY GENOCIDE RAGES, Biden PLEDGES AMERICAN SUPPORT, NOT FOR VICTIMS BUT FOR THE PERPETRATORS AS THEY SLAUGHTER TENS OF THOUSANDS OF WOMEN & CHILDREN IS BIDEN MAKING AMERICA BE SEEN AS THE NEW NAZIS OF THE NEW MILLENNMIUM AND GENOCIDERS OF THE YOUNG & INNOCENT OR JUST A DEMENTED OLD FOOL FORCE FOR CONQUEST?