A poll published on Tuesday found that a growing number of Ukrainians would accept ceding territory to Russia to end the war.
The Kyiv International Institute of Sociology (KIIS) said its poll was conducted from May 16-22 and surveyed 1,067 people living in Ukrainian-controlled territory. It found that 32% of respondents agreed that Ukraine could give up territory to achieve peace as quickly as possible, while 55% opposed the idea.
While the majority oppose territorial concessions, the number of those who favor the idea has grown significantly. When KIIS asked the question in May 2023, only 10% agreed with territorial concessions for peace. In December 2023, 19% favored the idea.
Another recent poll found that a plurality of Ukrainians want peace talks with Russia to start. That poll, conducted by the Ukrainian news site Dzerkalo Tyzhnia, found that 44% of Ukrainians in areas behind the frontline believe it is time to start peace talks, while 35% are opposed to the idea, and 21% are undecided.
Since peace talks broke down in the early days of the invasion, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has rejected the idea of negotiating with Moscow. His “peace formula” calls for Russia to withdraw from all Ukrainian territory before talks could even happen, which is a non-starter for Moscow.
Zelensky signaled he might be reconsidering his position as he recently said Russia should attend the next international summit on the war that he organizes. He previously refused to invite Russian officials to similar summits.
Former President Trump is saying that he will work out a deal to end the war if he is elected in November. ” I, as your next President of the United States, will bring peace to the world and end the war that has cost so many lives and devastated countless innocent families,” Trump said after a recent phone call with Zelensky.
The US and NATO have discouraged peace talks with Russia and worked to sabotage the chances of a deal when Russian and Ukrainian officials were engaged in negotiations back in March and April 2022.
Kyiv International Institute of Sociology is a joke. Kiev regime is preparing the ground for a peace settlement. They sent Ukrainian Foreign Minister Kuleba to China to persuade Chinese leadership to help them to end the war. The situation in the battlefields is deteriorating too quick.
It raises the question of whether Russia is foolish to end things or whether Russia should take more to prevent Ukraine from becoming more powerful later. If suddenly Russia has a breakthrough, the map could change rapidly.
I really want Ukraine to be strong and independent, but there’s no point if it’s just wielded as a weapon of war.
As Putin said, the negotiations this time will not mean an immediate ceasefire. Of course it is better for Russia to get more of East Ukraine but Ukraine still has a lot of men and The West has a lot of weapons. Besides there is China and other important geopolitical players who would like to have a peace rather sooner than later. On the other hand, the negotiations can't be quick. They will take months, and they will split Ukrainian society even more and unavoidably make Ukraine weaker which helps Russian army. I think Russia will take, at least, four oblasts more: Odessa, Nikolaev, Dnepropetrovsk and Kharkov.
The question is not whether the Russians will take more oblasts, it is how many they will give up. Definitely Kherson and at least most of Zaporzhzhia. Probably not Donetsk or Luhansk. Almost certainly not Crimea.
Answer to question: zero.
So, Russia is struggling? It wants those four at minimum to supply Crimea with water and for a land bridge.
Want in one hand, shit in the other. Note which hand gets full first.
If taking that much, it might as well take all of East Ukraine. If Ukraine’s military collapses, Russia can pick the new lines. But then it must hold them.
Even if Ukraine collapses, hardly Putin will agree to take in Russian Federation the regions where the population is unfriendly. If you look, for example, how they voted in the last Ukrainian democratic presidential elections in 2010, you may have an idea about the future border between Ukraine and Russia.
Well, they’re less friendly now. The issue I assume is more to build a defensible state that can endure the future anti-Russian Ukraine. Whatever Ukraine has will be used against Russia. So, ideally there’d be no sea access, and Russia wants a land corridor and water to Crimea. I don’t know if the rest is wanted.
Of course many people in East Ukraine are terribly discontent but once the life is normalized, they will live normally.
Chechnya also had a bloody war. Grozny (the capital of Chechnya) was completely destroyed. There was even an idea to build a new capital in a different place. Now Grozny is a prosperous beautiful town. Number of Chechens who volunteered to fight in Ukraine on Russian side is proportionally much higher than number of volunteers from any other Russian region.
To be clear, those who voted for Russia in the past are not all pro-Russian now. That’s a mistake you’re making. Ukrainians have been under propaganda, and there might be another explanation.
Millions of Ukrainians migrated to Russia in the last ten years. Mostly from East Ukraine. Many of them will come back, and with help of Russian state, rebuild their towns and reeducate those who remained those years under Kiev regime. In Russia also not everyone is supporting Putin. About 20% are against. Some far-right radicals volunteered to fight on Kiev regime side. It is kind of a civil war with a heavy involvement of NATO.
You are probably right. It is unwise, and can be unhealthy, to voice an opinion on this subject in Ukraine at this time.
Many Ukrainian neo-Nazis also see the approaching catastrophe. The only alternative to some kind of a peace deal is the collapse of Ukrainian state.
I doubt many of them are legit. Why would a Nazi want war with Russia? It is funny how the US openly supports Nazis, pedophiles and drug lords in Afghanistan, ISIS and genocide in the MidEast, and starvation through sanctions.
Or actually, maybe that’s not so funny. I wonder what sins Russia commits.
U.S. strategy all those years was aimed at inflicting as much as possible damage to other independent countries. Radical and terrorist organizations were used as tools.
It looks, Ukrainian neo-Nazis really believed that with the help from NATO they can defeat Russia. Even many NATO generals believed in this.
Well, there’s also profit in war. I mean Ukraine is corrupt, lots of good things from this war. I don’t want to list out the obvious. We have a Cold War type situation with Dems cheering on the empire. NATO is wanting to spend.
I doubt defeating Russia matters to at least some of them.
And Russia really hates the warmongers now. All these dead soldiers… So many wasted resources… It’s just politics, nothing personal, but it really matters too. So many dead…
MIC oligarchs are profiting of course. And corrupt politicians. Not so sure about the rest.
Well, elites benefit. Intelligence agencies gain power. Mass media becomes less free. Um, the current “left” in the US is very elitist. LGB stuff is for population reduction. Green topics are costly for the poor, though not all bad.
Whatever elite group you want to say is behind these Democratic policies, also including affirmative action, open borders, reparations, pro-crime policies, other race topics:
These are elite topics. Most people just want a better quality of life, more opportunities, that sort of thing.
Anyway, I think many of those things are advanced through the Ukraine conflict. For example, Russia is almost reactionary with its traditional values. The US defines itself against Russia as pro-LGB. It’s a new Cold War to an extent.
So, I just think this war has been wonderful to the “West,” parts of it.
I tend to be far right, but I obviously don’t support all things so associated. The far right in Europe is pro-Israel, and the stupid right in the US is pro-Israel. These are losing positions. It’s nearly always advantageous to oppose war.
So, to gain power, the far right, or another group, needs to oppose all the wars. Due to support for Israel, the values I want will be obliterated. It’s a losing position. So, there was hope for gains by opposing the war in Ukraine, but that was lost on Oct. 7. On that day, the Right died.
There is no political future for those who support war.
Yes, the war in Ukraine exposed the weakness of U.S. and NATO. Also it exposed a staggering incompetence of U.S. leadership. Before Russian military intervention, everything looked not so bad. Now, two and half years later, we have a different situation.
Pro-LGBT agenda makes The West even weaker than it could be. Even inside NATO there is a certain discontent. Turkey, Hungary, and even Poland, not so ready to accept it. Other Muslim countries are categorically against it. It was silly to promote it internationally. I remember how The West used alleged restriction of LGBT in Russia for boycotting winter Olympic 2014. By the way, Russian politics toward LGBT at the time were much more tolerant than now.
And this transgender idiotism. A lot of parents, including Elon Musk, are very much unhappy about that. If they carry on with all this, everything may go to pieces.
Well, only China can challenge the US right now. It’s not just about states though. Russia can change internally. Islam will be an issue for Russia at some point I expect.
I don’t know the future, but I don’t focus overmuch on state entities. States do matter, but Iran might go more “moderate.” India might become less nationalist. Something could happen to China. The US will probably try to change Mexico, for example.
I don’t usually care much which state “wins.” However, that can matter. Maybe what I mean to say is major battles happen outside of our view.
In Europe, you can’t get funding as a right wing person unless pro-Israel. That’s a big battle that no one notices. I focus on things like that. And I don’t hate Israel. I absolutely don’t want to see revenge against Israelis by Arabs. I’m not a sociopath. I just want out.
China, as industrial power, is stronger than U.S. and EU combined.
Russia never had problems with Islam. Russian Muslims are no less enthusiastic to fight anti-Christian forces in Ukraine than Russian Christians. For them it is a jihad against Satanists. That's how Muslim religious leaders of Russia are describing this war.
Israel is created by Zionists and ruled by Zionists. We can't expect anything good until their ideology is changed. It is not much different from German Nazism. It will always breed criminals.
China is strong in many ways, but if US elites were able to wreck it, US elites might retain power in some manner. One thing we could see is the development of a “global” government. The US views independent states as resisting a global order.
US power has been reliant on the strength of the US economy and dollar. However, some new system could arise. You focus on states, but elites are usually more significant. Even the US and Russia could merge if the two come to identify as “nations of immigrants” or “ideological nations.” Putin resists somewhat, but his successor might be different.
Muslims are an issue for Russia regardless of whether you realise it. Immigration and demographics seem to be areas you don’t appreciate. These matter more than wars. Islam is a problem for a global order, but the order might just become Muslim to absorb them.
So, all those people died for nothing. The whole war was avoidable.
“Best money we’ve ever spent.”
They’ve now lost more land than they otherwise would have lost.
Ukraine should hold on until their entire army is eliminated and Odessa belongs to Russia.
They are training now schoolboys. They say, there 400 000 of them. Not so many indeed, considering that they are loosing now about 2000 killed per day, but still something. Many millions who ran away to EU also could be used.
If I was a Ukrainian I would turn a weapon on the officers in charge!
They should poll the Ukrainians about the peace proposal draft that was initialed by both parties in the spring of 2022. I would guess there'd be a majority in favor. With or without Zelensky's amendment.
I seriously doubt there are many people in Ukraine who have the vaguest idea what was agreed to in that series of meetings, probably also the case in Europe and the US.
No doubt about that. But I would imagine that they can look at what has happened to their country, and their people, since then, and it would be hard for many of them to think it could be any worse than it is right now.
Unfortunately, at this time, they are not allowed to vote.
This means nothing. More than 32% of Americans object to our subsidizing the slaughter of Palestinian women and children, but does the Biden administration give a shit?
Well, the entire eastern and southern portions of 'Ukraine' today were historically Russian in ethnicity and language for 1,000 years prior to the lunatic soviet annexation of that land to their vassal state.
So much factual history is suppressed (or conveniently ignored), but people continue yapping as if they are knowledgeable. The ethnic Russian population knew exactly what was in store for them after the globalist coup d'tat in 2014.
See Oliver Stone's excellent exposé documentary Ukraine On Fire.
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