The head of Hamas’s political bureau, Ismail Haniyeh, reaffirmed on Wednesday the Palestinian group’s conditions of a permanent ceasefire and Israeli withdrawal from Gaza for any hostage deal with Israel.
“The movement and factions of the resistance will deal seriously and positively with any agreement that is based on a comprehensive ending of the aggression and the complete withdrawal and prisoners swap,” Haniyeh said.
The ceasefire proposal President Biden presented to the public involves a six-week truce and an initial hostage and prisoner exchange in the first phase. During that time, the two sides are supposed to negotiate a permanent ceasefire, and the Israeli withdrawal will begin in the second phase.
Israeli officials say the language is vague enough that Israel could agree to the deal without actually committing to a permanent ceasefire. But Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu continues to express his opposition to ending military operations in Gaza, which could sabotage the deal as it’s making Hamas more likely to ask for stronger guarantees.
Biden presented the potential ceasefire deal as an Israeli proposal, but Netanyahu said there were “gaps” in what Israel had agreed to and what Biden outlined. The US is still pushing for the deal, and CIA Director William Burns is expected to meet with Egyptian and Qatari officials about it this week.
Meanwhile, Israel continues to slaughter Palestinians across Gaza and has escalated operations in the central part of the Strip. Al Jazeera reported Wednesday that 75 Palestinians were killed in central Gaza over the previous 24 hours.
Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant reiterated on Wednesday that Israel would not halt its military operations to foster negotiations. “Any negotiations with Hamas would be conducted only under fire,” he said.
More circus… Everyone on both sides knows there will be no ceasefire until Israel is destroyed. Which will happen when Israel attacks Lebanon.
They say those add'l 50K reservists are for the North, they also say they're still going to take out Hamas in Rafah.
They say a lot of things… all from their bottoms…!
Hamas committed a massacre,has been firing missiles for along time,and is receiving weapons through its tunnel connections.Taking out as much of Hamas as is possible is a laudable goal.
Israel committed, and is still doing so, a much larger massacre and disproportionately has answered all of the "missiles" that have been fired at them for a long time and is receiving state of the art weapons openly from its bought and paid for superpower on the other side of the world. Taking out as much of the IDF/Lukid is a laudable goal.
Jake, the Israelis are evil monsters, they have been brutally killing Palestinians for almost a century. They use 2000 pound bombs to kill defenseless women and children living in tents. The Israelis are not fighting a conventional war against another military they bomb schools and hospitals and churches and starve children and use snipers to kill anything that moves including new born babies and their own soldiers.
They are really the worst there is.
I know of no time in modern history of so much brutality, the Israelis beat all.
Nobody kills more babies, pregnant women, or the elderly. Nobody blows up hospitals, schools and refugee camps. Nobody uses an a.i. driven killing machine, or white phosphorus, nobody is starving 2 million people. Israel alone, commits all these war crimes and calls it justified. Israel is the terrorists, the oppressor, the murdering extremists. If israel doesn't like being seen in this way, they could arrest Netanyahu themselves, arrest all the criminal Zionists and throw away the key. They are the problem, people like Jake, who celebrate the misery they make.
Eventually they will arrest Satanyahu and accuse him of failing his mission of ethnic cleansing.
If we remove from Israel the radical religious antihuman ideology which, by the way, is based 100% upon lies, then we somehow have to explain to millions of people who migrated to Israel in the last century (mostly from Europe) that they were fooled. At the moment, it doesn't look achievable. The more realistic scenario is making Israel less attractive for new and old migrants, so the migration could start in opposite direction. Arabs started to do something about that.
Do Arabs have a right to defend themselves ?
Syrians ?
Lebanese ?
Iraqis ?
Palestinians ?
The Likud would be wise to accept the long standing Palestinian offer for a lasting and secure peace based on the pre-1967 lines. Israelis deserve peace and security.
Israelis are neither angels or devils,but they won't give up Jerusalem,or give up anything else without a real peace partner.
Until Palestinians give up their desire to destroy Israel, peace will be hard to come by.
As compared to actually destroying the Palestinians which the Israeli's are presently doing.
What is missing in the conversation are the rights of the Palestinian people, after all this is all about the land that belonged to the Palestinians, all of it.
The goal of the Israelis is all of Palestine and in order to get it they must execute genocide on the Palestinian nation.
What rights do the Palestinians have other than being exterminated?
Do they have a right of self-defense? A right of their homeland, human rights, including the right to govern themselves and control of their borders? The right to be treated with respect like human beings?
I have asked many times what human rights do the Palestinian people have?
As far as I can tell the Israelis, with help from the USA and Europe, have denied them even a minimum of human decency and kindness and justice. The brutality of the Israelis is beyond me. And we claim to be civilized democratic value societies.
Israel is the trouble maker, they are greedy, they want it all. Israeli must be completely demilitarized at least at the minimum. The nation has become an ugly nation under the dehumanized Zionists, Likud leadership.
They are people without an iota of decency, no sense of morality or justice and simple humanity, they are the dehum anized human ani mals
You can't call the Israelis peace partners, can you?
Big devils gets you closer, that is real.
Israel is not going to go back to the 1967 lines. Those borders were insecure and resulted in the Arab nations twice going to war with Israel. Question: Would Palestinians accept going back to 1967 conditions, which means the West Bank reverts to Jordon?
Fascinating narrative and entirely false. As you well know.
tiny Singapore prospers in safety and security despite being surrounded by hundreds of millions of Muslims – hmmm
Singapore narrative does not apply. And what is false about my narrative?
What is false ?
The 1948 war was started by the various Israeli paramilitaries. Period.
the Irgun started massacring Christian and Muslim villagers months before the 1948 war broke out. Wholesale slaughter of women and children in a frenzy of bloodlust
1) Einstein and Arendt were correct
2) UNR 194
The choice for Israel is that they MIGHT be able to get the 1967 lines, or the 1948 lines; the alternative to those two being the pre-1948 lines.
Tom, Tell me how the 1967 or 1948 lines produced peace? They did not. The day after the UN decision to split Palestine a civil war broke out. The day State of Israel came into existence Arab armies invaded. In 1967 and again in 1973 Israel and the certain Arab nations went to war. So why do you think that those borders today would insure peace?
And why is your alternative the destruction of Israel, AKA pre 1948 lines? No one can predict the future, but I can say with certain the Israel would not go down without a massive and messy fight.
So, you're assuming that the same thing would happen today if the 1967 lines were accepted by Israe? Even though the Arab states are either already bribed by the US or are sitting idle while the Palestinians get slaughtered? What exactly are you basing your assumption on? Can't be anything that resembles reality.
What I am pointing out that those two cease fire lines did not produce peace. So there is no guarantee that going back to those lines would indeed produce peace. Might happen, but not likely.
But it does not matter because Israel is not going back to the 1948 lines which existed for like a day. Neither is Israel going to go back to 1967 lines. That would require returning East Jerusalem back to Jordon. That will not happen.
I agree that those two ceasefire lines did not produce peace.
But Israel’s choices are:
1) To agree to, and withdraw into, either the 1967 ceasefire lines or the 1947 UNR 181 lines, or
2) To cease to exist as a state at all.
Not next week, next month, or next year. But almost certainly within the 21st century.
Tom, I don't see Israel disappearing in the next 80 years. It may happen, of course, one never knows. But the reserve could also happen, the Palestinians could get wiped out. In any case, there is no way Israel will voluntary retreat to the 1967 lines. Why would they give up East Jerusalem? If there is going to be a two state solution, something that has not happen in 76 years, it will be not defined by the borders that existed after the 1948 war, the so called 1967 borders.
I just don't see your argument that Israel has only two choices.
I’m not sure why you keep bringing up the post-1948 borders. Those aren’t the ones on the table. The ones on the table are the 1967 ceasefire lines, or the actual borders of Israel (which were set in 1947 in UNR 181, not by the 1948 war).
The UNR 181 lines, if backed by a UN peacekeeping force for those lines and for the international city of Jerusalem (currently illegally occupied by the Israelis), are probably Israel’s only shot at long-term survival, for two reasons:
1) The correlation of regional military forces has been changing, and not in Israel’s favor, for about 40 years; and
2) The Israeli regime’s grip on US politics is slipping and will eventually become insignificant. The welfare checks will eventually cease, as will the unconditional military backing.
At the moment, getting out of occupied Palestine in much the same way that the UK got out of most of occupied Ireland offers the POSSIBILITY of eventually making a lasting regional peace. It’s far from a guarantee, but it’s still a possibility.
Or they can keep messing around until it turns into a Masada situation.
"Those aren't the ones on the table." What table? When and if the two sides decide to negotiate a lasting peace, it will not be based on any lines. If the Palestinians insists on going in back in time to 1967 the negotiations will fail.
Jerusalem is part of Israel now. Your international city never exists. City change ownership in wars. Pittsburgh was part of France, than England and now USA.
As for the military balance of power it has remain in favor of Israel for the last 40 years. I can think of 130 reasons for this and they all involve U-235 and/or Pu-239. At best the Arabs can obtain equality.
" will eventually become insignificant" You don't know that. That is just your hope. It may happen, it may not.
"most of occupied Ireland " Exactly. That argument proves my points. The UK did not give up all of Ireland, did they? Keeping Jerusalem and part of the West Bank would be the same as keeping Belfast and the Northern part of the Ireland.
Finally, Israel will not just passively let events happen that lead to their demise.
“That is just your hope.”
I don’t let my “hopes” enter into my predictions.
Sure you do. Why else would you make such a prediction? The USA has been supported of Israel for the last 80 years. The majority of the people in the USA still do. Once the Gaza war is over, the pro Palestinians anti Israel group will lose steam. And once the Palestinians pull another stupid attack like they have done so many times in the past, public opinion will revert to what is was on Oct 8.
You pretending that you have some magical power to know what my "hopes" are is not the same as you actually having that magical power.
Why would I need to tell you how something that didn’t happen happened?
Neither the 1967 nor the 1948 lines produced peace.
That doesn’t change the fact that the 1967 or 1948 lines are the best deal the Israeli regime can hope for. It’s one of those, or it’s the liquidation of Israel entirely.
"It's one of those, or it's the liquidation of Israel entirely" I don't agree. Who is going to do this liquidation of Israel? As I said no one can predict the future.
The Likud is going to end up with neither the 1967 or 1947 lines at the rate they are going.
The Algerian outcome seems to be the most likely outcome given the all-or-nothing extremist views we see from Jake and Tim
LOL. I don't think the view of Jake and I are going to change what happens in the middle east. Anyway, care to educate me on the "Algerian outcome" and how you see it applying in this situation?
Algeria was France for ~150 years, and after a gruesome long war…. Algeria wasn’t France and a million Frenchmen became exiles
That is not the same situation that exists in Israel. The Frenchmen had a place to go, the Israelis do not. I don't have a crystal ball and thus I can not predict the future. What I can say for certain is the Israelis will not go down without a fight. Unlike Algeria where France chose not to use their recently acquired nuclear weapons, Israel will if their existences is threaten use theirs.
You really think the Likud‘s Masada obsession will lead to their mass suicide ?
The Israelis never showed any good will to respect the Palestinian people, no sign of understanding or human kindness or an attempt to live side by side in Palestine. Nothing, they want all of it and rule the ME, all of it.
The Palestinians want their human rights and their homeland in which they lived together with Jewish people, justice and peace.
Not again? WHY?
"The Israelis never showed any good will to respect the Palestinian people" And vise a versa. One can list plenty examples of terrorist committed by both sides.
How would you feel if the Mexicans came and robbed you of your property and expelled you and your family from your country? Put yourself in their shoes and tell what it feels like.
The Irgun Zionists terrorists expelled close to a million people from Palestine and destroyed some 500 Palestinian villages in 1948, sure you would love them if they did that to you.
Your missing the point. You are assuming that terrorists activity was a one sided events. Both sides committed them. The Palestinians living in the newly created state of Israel stated with both words and actions, that they do not accept the new nation. Many left on their own accords. Others were kicked out. What choice did Israel have? Leave a large hostile population in the middle of a their new nation while being attacked by armies from the outside. Most all believe that the Arabs armies would crush Israel and they would return. That did not happen. And now 76 years later the descendants still believe that they are entitled to return. The simple fact is that they are not coming back.
You are twisting the historic facts to suit your narrative. Some 900 000 Palestinians were expelled from their own land, some 500 Palestinian villages were leveled to the ground. any Palestinian left out was made less than a second class citizen. It was Palestine that was taken from the Palestinian people, they were not asked or consulted, the Anglo-Saxon colonialists decided with a barely established UN to take land that did not belong to them, to the Zionist Israelis. Of course the Palestinians and Arabs rebelled, wouldn’t you have rebelled? Without justice and fairness there will never be peace, does that make sense to you? Tell me, in your opinion what human rights do the Palestinian people have? A rational response from you will be welcome.
But after 2000 years the Israelis have the right to come back. How about the American Indians, can they get their land back from you? Why not?
Any agreement with Zionist terrorists is unreliable.
well, duh lol
Actually, Israel has many agreements, such as treaties with Jordan and Egypt. They make binding agreements with people who don't try to kill them, which includes the United States, the EU, and the PLO, after the PLO promised not to kill them. They also have made normalization agreements with the UAE, Bahrain, Sudan, and Morocco.
Hamas, however, is not a recognize, legitimate government. They illegally occupy Gaza, a territory of the Palestinian Authority. Hamas took over Gaza in a violent coup. There charter says they will conquer "every inch of Palestine".
Do you support that?
1. Don't you know that Israel financed Hamas and used it both against Palestinians and against Syria? As we see now, among other reasons, it was done for using it as pretext for the genocide of Palestinian people.
2. Zionist regime is not only terrorist organization which enjoys the support of U.S. There are many others. Actually, most of the terrorist organizations are supported by U.S. and used by U.S. against their geopolitical opponents.
3. Hamas took over Gaza in a violent coup with help of Israel and U.S. the same as current Kiev regime and many other far-right regimes came to power with the help of U.S. First they bring radical regimes to power, then they use those regimes for starting wars: Ukraine, Georgia.
Your facts are all jumbled up.
1. Yes, people in the Middle East (everywhere, actually) constantly use each other against others. So, what's your point?
The US and the Saudis used Islamic fundamentalists against the USSR in Afghanistan; then they didn't. The US supported Saddam Hussein against Iran, then they did a regime change. The US bombed Qaddafi, then they worked with him, then they bombed him. The examples are endless.
Russia made deals with Hitler; then Hitler attacked Russia, killing 20 million Russians; The US sent troops against Russia in 1918; then they supported them in WWII; then, they fought a Cold War against them. Then they stopped; then they supported Ukraine.
Even in what is now Israel, the sides are constantly shifting. The Crusaders killed Muslims and Jews in Jerusalem; now, the sides have shifted. In fact, Jerusalem has been conquered more than 40 times, including by Persians, Romans, Ottoman Turks, various Muslim empires, the Mongols, and the British Empire. More than 100 battles have been fought for control of Jerusalem over the course of its history. So it goes.
2. Israel is a nation and a member of the UN, not a "terrorist organization". Hamas, however, is officially designated as a terrorist group by the US, the EU, the UK, New Zealand, Canada, Argentina, Australia, Israel, and Paraguay.
3. The US and Israel did not support the criminal occupation of Gaza by Hamas.
4. The situation in Ukraine was very different.
Any agreement with Palestinians terrorists is unreliable. The door swings both ways.
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Right, their actions speak clearly and unambiguously. But, being party to genocide, they have to construct a 'dovish' rhetorical record in the the event the ICJ/ICC should ever see fit to bring against them.
Ah, another permanent ceasefire. I don't think permanent really means permanent for Hamas, but rather just another pause in their mission for submission. .
Israeli officials say the language is vague enough that Israel could agree to the deal without actually committing to a permanent ceasefire.
That is what Miller in the press briefing confirmed, they want to pull a fast one on the Palestinians to make Biden look fit to be reelected.
The Israeli/USA deceptions are disgusting, so evil with not the least bit of human decency.
Congrads to the IDF for freeing 4 hostages today. Sorry for the lose of the soldier.