Poland and Lithuania have said they can help return military-age Ukrainian men to Ukraine as Kyiv is looking for more conscripts to put on the frontlines, where Ukrainian forces are facing a brutal fight and an advancing Russian army.
The comments came after Ukraine announced it was suspending consular services for military-age men living abroad as a way to pressure them to return home to fight. The restrictions include prohibiting men ages 18 to 60 from applying for passports while abroad.
Polish Defense Minister Wladyslaw Kosiniak-Kamysz said Wednesday that Warsaw has “suggested for a long time that we can help the Ukrainian side ensure that people subject to [compulsory] military service go to Ukraine.” When asked if Poland would agree to transport Ukrainians back to Ukraine, he said, “Everything is possible.”
Lithuanian Defense Minister Laurynas Kasciunas said Vilnius was also willing to help send Ukrainians back to fight. He suggested Lithuania wouldn’t be willing to physically deport Ukrainians but could pressure them in other ways.
“Of course, no one will collect them and take them to Ukraine – this will not happen,” Kasciunas said. “But (it is possible to limit these persons) in terms of social benefits, work permits, documents – these are options that I hear from the Polish side as well. So, let’s wait and see what option they will offer, maybe it will also be suitable for Lithuania.”
It’s estimated that about 860,000 Ukrainian men are living outside of Ukraine in Europe. Some were able to leave Ukraine despite martial law prohibiting men ages 18 to 60 from leaving the country. Others lived outside of Ukraine before Russia launched its invasion in February 2022.
Could this also be genocide?
So Poland is tired of paying to support tens of thousands of Ukrainians living on welfare and wants to dump the male (and less easily exploited) half into the meat grinder.
I have a feeling, “the meat grinder” is waiting for our children, my friend.
Best money we ever spent! -Senator Grahmnesty.
There will be some “great” cause to sacrifice for.
It is all desperation. When the Ukrainian suspends consular services that just means the Ukrainians wo fled the warmachine will become refugees officially. There are some European and international laws, not to mention European values they say they have, that stand in the way of sending refugees against their will back to a country where they face certain death.
The Europeans can easily brush their values aside. The support for genocide on Palestinians has removed all possible doubt that could have still persisted that they were never really serious about any of those anyway, but it will be more difficult to ignore their own and international laws. At least for now.
This is presumably why they won’t round them up and hand them handcuffed and chained over to the Ukrainian authorities at this point in time, but do the work around and make surviving in their countries impossible for any Ukrianian refugees so as to drive them to enough despair to just give up.
That, according to the pervailing wisdom currently with the strategic geniuses in Europe, is going to result in a great infusion of well motivated, well trained soldiers to “rescue the situation.”
Sadly, Russia also has conscription.
No army has ever gone with out conscripts because once your professional soldiers have gone through the meat grinder conscription follows .
Assuming that’s true, it will be relevant if and when the US and the West in general start supporting Russia, and pretending that its war in the Ukraine is some sort of crusade for international law, democracy, and human rights. Until then, it is meaningless and distracting “Whataboutism” and “Bothsiderism.” If you are supporting one side in a fight, opining that their opponent is no better than they are is not a winning argument for continuing that support.
And your claim, while techincally true, Russia does have conscription, is misleading. Conscripts are legally exempted from fighting outside Russia.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-lawmakers-vote-raise-conscription-age-limit-30-2023-07-25/
And so are not being poured into the meat grinder. Unlike Ukranian conscripts, who are being dragooned and sent almost immediately to the front lines.
I didn’t know that Russian conscripts were so exempt. Americans, and probably many Ukrainians, are told differently.
What conscription?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/26/russia-conscription-maximum-age-raised-ukraine-war
First and foremost of all — international law is dead and cannot be resurrected. What values? All of it died in Gaza. I hope we get this. Where to start and end? The depravity is plumbing the depths not recently plumbed by mankind. At least not by tge suplosedly superior West. But here we have it.
This is the beginning of a new international order. US and British military is in Mediterranean to safeguard the new world order in the making. An experiment.
For the longest time,US was dismayed by the inability to conquer through air dominance. Yes, countries and its institutions can be destroyed, but people remain, and total control is impossible.
To employ Russian strategy, a flexible, water-mimicking front, probing, and advancing -/ is much too slow. Looking back at how the former colonial powers managed to take multiple continents -/ one lesson emerved, Brutal force and extermination of population. Today, as Gaza examples shows, it can be achieved much faster.
The message is — nobody will come to your aid the way Russia came to the aid of Russians in Ukraine,
Take this method fuurther — all US and UK need to do is to pick one small and sellf-liberated African country
and apply Gaza treatment. Use airforce to bomb everything, starve, then folliw up with military to finish the rest,
Will anyone come to help? Doubt it. Then bring migrants to populate the area, the way British now are sending migrants to Rwanda. This will send the message to mid-size powers with much to lose — to surrender before being targeted.
No need for nukes. Eliminate markets for Russia and China, isolate them. When it comes to survival —
nobody thinks about economic development. No need for oil . No need for infrastructure. No Belt and Road.
Will Gaza be replicated on some hapless country? I am not sure any more. The way all norms of humanity are trashed with psychotic zeal — is sobering. And Bibi would not be able to do it alone. Thus is a joint enterprise.
In Turkey sits a flotila of 26 ships with food and nedicine for Gaza, People from 40 countries are ready to sail on those ships. Grandson if Nelson Mandela is one of the volunteers.
Yet, US is objecting. Why? Because this project is bigger than Israeli-Palestinian saga.
The Minsk 2 Agreement should of never been allowed to be broken. It is easier to destroy than to build.
There’s nothing more destructive, and thus less conservative, than war.
The Minsk agreement`s were never going to implemented it was a ruse so the Ukraine army could be trained and armed ready to fight Russians Angela Merkel admitted to lying to Putin about it .
Ukrainian passport is getting progressively more toxic.
False, the russian passport is.
You fcking racist.
Wild; so they are going to yank Ukrainians out of other countries to force them to die. Democracy am I right?
Plutocratic democracy
You hear all the noise of splashing? …Somebody must be ejaculating right now to the news about keeping the war going ’till the last Ukrainian.
I think that’s from the idea that Poland and Lithuania are still happy to “keep” the women
Poland and Lithuania — the two most fascist countries in eastern Europe. It would never occur to these warmongers that the Ukrainian people want an end to this war. It’s their leaders who are enriching themselves from this racket. This is what the fascist in the WH calls “fighting for democracy.”
They’re faux-fascist though: Nationalist that is overtaken to serve the US empire, and the US hates nationalism.
Eventually, the US will do them what it did to South Korea and Japan, which is to make them take in immigrants.
They all know the Ukrainian people want a end to the war that`s the reason Zelenskey cancelled elections for the foreseeable future no doubt on the orders from Washington they don`t want Democracy getting in the way of their proxy war .
White Europeans were already a shrinking demographic. So here comes the US congress to contribute another $61 BILLION to kill more of them in a senseless sectarian bloodbath. All because Ukraine’s borders are sacrosanct, unlike our own.
Ukrainian borders were established by criminal anti-Christian Bolshevik gang which got to the power as result of a coup d’etat. According to satanistic rulers of The West, everything what make Russia weaker is sacrosanct.
Polish Lithuanian people hate Slavic Russians and will help murder even more. Disgusting people!
The Russo-phobic brainwashing was initiated by Catholic Vatican. Then German, American and British Nazis continued this project. As we see, the project is successful. Even Ukrainians were converted to this ideology.
The number one nazi of this blog as usual calling others nazis.
You have gone full nazi.
Should I call for a wambulance?
Historically the Catholic Church hates any and all other religions. They even threw Constantinople under the bus due to a religious schism over a prayer.. The city fell on May 29, 1453 when conquered by Sultan Mehmed II of the Ottoman Empire.
A crusade was launched and sanctioned by the Teutonic knights to pacify and convert tribes along the Baltic.
“Historically the Catholic Church hates any and all other religions” – that is natural because their goal was to achieve a full spectrum dominance over the planet, kind of what US is trying to achieve now. The reason why Vatican created a lot of fake anti-Russian and anti-Ottoman stories is that the other two centers of world power at the time were Istanbul and Moscow. Unfortunately, the fake “traditional history” which Vatican created in 16-17 centuries, is still dominating the minds of most historians.
In reality, the single Christian Church was split in several branches after the religious crisis 1492. So, Mehmed II was a Christian leader and the real historical Rome about which so much is written, is Istanbul, the town on seven hills.
Well said I applaud your comment.
Also, the Roman State never fell it merely metamorphosed. The Roman political class merely became the Roman Catholic Church! Roman Senators and Roman Emperors merely became Bishops, Cardinals, and of course Popes.
Much of Roman financial-political elite, after the fall of Rome in 1453, migrated to North Italy and later, after the religious crisis 1492, created the new branch of Christianity – Catholicism, and a new Rome (Italian one) which they proclaimed the true ancient Rome. They managed to defend their new empire against their enemies. Then, in second half of 16 century, they fabricated a new history where Ottomans were migrants from wildness of Siberia and Russians were insignificant barbarians.
What the hell are you on about? The schism between western and eastern christianity happened in 1054, and even then latin christianity has started to separate itself significantly from the orthodox faith through the slow adoption of the filioque as early as 800. A typical peasant may not know much theology (nor much of antiwar.com’s esteemed commentators either) but Catholicism was a dominant new religious and political reality by the 1100s.
Yes, it’s true, many Byzantine intellectuals (that weren’t raped or killed) fled to Italy, which helped kickstart the rennissnce, and many of them had Uniate tendencies (which disproves your entire point since the council of Florence and so on was before 1454). They did not create Catholicism, it already existed, and to save their own political skin they joined themself to it.
“Look at what Union with the pope has granted us … 200 Venetian archers,” – Byzantine General, 1454
I know this version of the history. As I said, it was fabricated in 16-17 centuries by Catholic scholars. The chronology of that fabricated by Catholic scholars history was created by Scaliger who among the other dates, also “calculated” the date of creation of Earth. According to Scaliger’s “calculation” Earth was created about six thousand years ago. Now historians don’t like to mention it because it is too absurd but the other, politically convenient for The West dates, they accepted as a holy scripture.
Answer is simple go to Russia or one of Russia`s friends China , India ect ect ect
This window of opportunities can be closed easily. Kiev regime can cancel the passports of those who are trying to move to uncontrolled by US countries. Remember Snowden; his passport was cancelled while he was on his way from China to Latin America.
Just like how Switzerland was returning runaways back to Nazi Germany. There is no escape from the meat grinder unless someone shuts off the machine.
Kidnapping people?
They badly need the cannon fodder. Foreign mercenaries and instructors are not so numerous because their life expectancy in Ukraine is too short. What else they can do? Macron talked about sending NATO regular troops into Ukraine but most NATO leaders don’t support him; not yet.