Russian investigators said Thursday that they found evidence connecting the terrorist attack on a concert hall outside Moscow to “Ukrainian nationalists.”
“Investigators have verified information that large amounts of money and cryptocurrency that the perpetrators of the terrorist attack received trace back to Ukraine; the funds were used in preparing the crime,” Russia’s Investigative Committee said in a statement, according to Russia’s TASS news agency.
“Investigators’ work with the detained terrorists, the examination of technical equipment that was seized from them, and the analysis of information about financial transactions prove their connection to Ukrainian nationalists,” the statement added.
The ISIS affiliate based in Afghanistan, known as Islamic State – Khorasan Province, or ISIS-K, has taken credit for the shooting at Crocus City Hall, which killed over 140 people. Russian President Vladimir Putin has said “radical Islamists” carried out the attack but also suggested there was a link to Ukraine.
The US said from the very beginning that the attack was carried out by ISIS-K and dismissed the idea that Ukraine was involved. In response to the Russian Investigative Committee statement, the White House accused the Russians of being “manure salesman.”
“My uncle used to say… that the best manure salesmen often carry their samples in their mouths. Russian officials seem to be pretty good manure salesmen,” said White House National Security Council spokesman John Kirby. He added that the statement was “nonsense propaganda.”
On Tuesday, the head of Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB) Aleksandr Bortnikov said he believed that Ukraine, the US, and the UK may have been involved in the terrorist attack.
Trump is right. The US should be working to get a Peace deal hammered out between Russia and Ukraine. The longer this goes on the more likely it is to escalate into WW III.
Trump is good at deals. (Like his hush-money deal with Stormy Daniels that got him indicted?)
yes. Trump is the “Art Of The Deal” he knows all about how to insulate himself from financial and legal .repercussions
HAHAHAHA
And fail at running casinos. Three casinos. One has been razed. He also violated the law when he had his father purchase a million dollars worth of chips to help bail him out. Oh, he is such a dealer, he is.
And his book, “The Art of the Deal”, written by a ghost writer is a winner. He has zero morals, chasing a porn star around a hotel room in his “tighty whities”, then pumping on her for the worst 45 seconds of Stormy’s life. His wife home with a new born son. What the f*ck man does that? He has his fixer, Michael Cohen, fix things, only for the fixer to wind up in prison, while Ttump is free (for now).
But he doesn’t have a plan. All we hear is that the war wouldn’t have started if he were president and that it would be over in 24 hours if he is elected president.
Was the World more peaceful under Trump or Biden? Be honest.
“The world” was never under the command of Trump or Biden. The scale/intensity of, and US involvement in, various world conflicts since the change has gone up in some cases (Ukraine v. Russia, Israel v. Palestine), down in others (e.g. US vs. Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia vs. Yemen).
Yemen? The Yemen where the Houthis are firing rockets at every thing in the Red Sea?
No. That Yemen doesn’t exist. A Yemen where the Houthis are firing some rockets at some targets in the Red Sea exists.
That’s the same Yemen that was engaged in a long, ongoing, high-intensity war with a Saudi-led coalition throughout the Trump administration, and until a 2022 ceasefire.
Leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands. Perhaps a genocide. Perhaps not. We, the indispensable nation, provided in air refueling, targeting information to SA. Like Obama said about himself, “I’m good at killing”, when he looked over the Tuesday morning kill list, the killing continues. We are very good at killing. Not winning wars. Just killing.
You left out the part that it started on the Obama admin.
And escalated during the Trump admin. And ended during the Biden admin.
Somebody ought to tell that to Biden.
And on January 29th, 2017, Trump allowed Obama’s planned strike in Yemen to continue on. That’s the one where the Navy SEAL got killed and Trump used his wife as a prop when he gave a speech to congress.
“Ryan died as he lived, a warrior and a hero, battling against terrorism and securing our nation,” Trump said on Feb. 28. “I just spoke to our great General Mattis just now who reconfirmed that, and I quote, ‘Ryan was a part of a highly successful raid that generated large amounts of vital intelligence that will lead to many more victories in the future against our enemy.’ Ryan’s legacy is etched into eternity.”
The raid, which took place in central Yemen on Jan. 29, was Trump’s first counterterrorism operation after taking office.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2017/mar/01/what-donald-trump-left-out-about-successful-yemen-/
That was the raid in which the SEALs murdered 8-year-old American girl Nawar al-Awlaki. My sympathies are for her and her family, not for any of the murderers who may have been injured or killed while committing the crime.
I so believe that. Really. A few years back, President Carter said that this country is ruled by an oligarchy. The Trifecta: Oligarchy, MIC, CIA. Also, add to the list, AIPAC, a foreign agent. Pulling he lever on election day is a joke. Sam Clements is reputed to have said that if the vote meant anything, we would not be allowed to vote.
You’re asking me that as if you think I think Biden is a better choice than Trump. I don’t. But Trump’s idea of a peaceful world means the US is feared to the point that no one dares fuck with us. And it isn’t limited to them actually fucking with the US. Iran certainly isn’t a threat to our security, but Trump threatened them constantly, imposed draconian sanctions on them and even murdered one of their generals.
You’re right. He doesn’t have a plan. The only reason to think the war might not have started during his administration is that Victoria Nuland wasn’t in it, LOL.
Trump is never right…!
Sure he is. He said so.
Yeah, Like Untruth Social…!
Yeah, right. Trump provided Ukraine with javelin anti-tank missiles, pulled out of two treaties with Russia.
When Trump was President, Ukraine was a United country. Now it’s a partitioned country and being further dismembered the longer the war drags on.
Didn’t Trump get elected after 2014?
Dave, why don’t you mention the fact that the terrorists were on their way to the Ukrainian border? Given how tightly that border is guarded, they could only hope to get through if the Ukrainians opened it for them.
The Russian security services followed the terrorists’ car for a while, and stopped it only when it was on a forest road where they couldn’t take hostages. And by then it was clear that they were going to the Ukrainian border.
It is also highly relevant that the media’s bleeting about “the U.S. warned Russia but the Russians didn’t care!” is a lie. As usual. The U.S. only said very vaguely that some attack was expected IN THE BEGINNING OF THE MONTH within a 48-hour period, which included the 4th of October when there was a large concert. That period came and went. The U.S. didn’t share any real information. Their excuse for not doing that is that “we didn’t want to reveal our sources.” So instead of giving Russia real information to work with, they let people die.
This is left out of almost all the media, in order to smear Russia.
So what we know is that the terrorists were on their way to Ukraine, and the U.S. has information about them that they refuse to share. That is very clearly because Ukraine was involved.
We also know Ukraine has murdered people in Russia several times – bloggers, speakers, and Donbass officials.
“Given how tightly that border is guarded, they could only hope to get through if the Ukrainians opened it for them.”
You’re kidding, right? You haven’t heard of the Ukrainian border crisis, with hundreds of thousands of Russians flooding over Zelenskyy’s open border since 2022?
“So what we know is that the terrorists were on their way to Ukraine”
How is it that you came to believe you “know” that?
“That is very clearly because Ukraine was involved.”
Yeah, because every time someone robs a bank in Kansas and flees to Belize, the Belizean regime knows about it in advance.
The Russians who have attacked that Russian province said on multiple occasions that they coordinate with Ukraine.
The border is actively monitored both sides intensely with drones in trying to gain advantage. Granted this is more for monitoring an offensive and not a singlr car slipping past but the isr now is extremely through on both side so it is possible there was coordination.
There r fighters who fought in Syria currently fighting in Ukraine.
It is possible you were helping the terrorists for all we know.
It is very likely u like stealing candy from babies.
That could apply to any US tax payer. In fact it’s not just possible but a dead certainty.
Is it POSSIBLE that the attackers were acting on behalf of, and/or coordinating with, the Ukrainian military and/or regime? Absolutely.
But even if they were heading for Ukraine (the only “evidence” for that is a claim from the Russian regime, which lies whenever it finds lying more convenient than telling the truth, as does every other regime), heading for Ukraine is not in itself evidence of such coordination. They committed a crime. If you committed a crime in Russia, where would you flee to if NOT the nearest country that 1) isn’t going to extradite to Russia and 2) has a very chaotic border area with Russia at the moment?
All of what u say r logical and indeed possible, BUT seeing how desperate things r and the links already in place and them giving up (not denying isis k is behind this) makes me think this was not a suicide mission and they were thinking they can get away.
Them surrendering and the links make me think they had some arrangement with Ukrainian intelligence.
Things will come out and we will see.
I do not believe these guys were terrorists. Terrorists have no problem with being “martyred”, blowing themselves up, etc. I believe these idiots were paid to do what they did, and wanted to live to cash in.
3) the channel by which you were paid for services rendered.
That IS possible.
But Ukraine was an obvious place for them to flee to either way, so attempting to flee toward Ukraine is not in and of itself evidence either way.
It proves an obvious attraction between the Islamofascist cultists and the traditional Nazis of Christiandom.
I get your point but man have I come to hate sarcasm. Sarcasm is just a way to put people down.
How about, “You certainly are assuming a lot here”. Does the same thing and isn’t as ugly.
hey man, absent the sarcasm we have no other weapons.
uncle sam has a $900 Billion annual budget.
he uses that allotment to ensure his continued hegemony.
me? i have only my sarcasm which i will wield until somebody physically forces me to shut my mouth.
and good luck with that you freakin neocon bastards
edit) = i was not implying that you, RBE are a neocon bastard.
i think that i know who you are/used to be – and i did have the utmost respect.
More than a trillion dollars. Billions going where I doubt the President even knows where its going.
Or where he’s going for that matter.
Or where he’s going for that matter.
The Ukraine border could potentially shift as Russia makes more inroads in the fighting in Ukraine? Crossing over the “border” won’t necessarily gurantee their safety so not sure if that matters.
Count on it. The border will shift westward.
Sure, and you will be in Kyiv in three days.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/lukashenko-says-concert-hall-attackers-first-headed-belarus-contradicting-putin-2024-03-26/
Heading to Belarus to throw off the Russians believing they did no come from Ukraine or were working for Ukraine. Deception. The checkpoints set up by Belarus caused them to change direction. That is my belief.
Hey Viadan, why don’t YOU mention the fact that the terrorists were on their way to the Belarussian border?
As I said before, I believe it was part of the plan to flee there so as to put water on the idea of the Ukraine connection. Belarus put up check points. The idiots had no choice but to head to the Ukraine border. Their act of fleeing indicates they were no terrorists. Just paid hit men. Hit men who will never cash in.
Isis has good reason to hate Russia though, especially since Russia defeated them in Syria despite the US’s best efforts contrary. As for fleeing to Ukraine, American murderers have found refuge there so why not? https://abcnews.go.com/International/us-army-vet-charged-florida-double-murder-remains/story?id=83066233
Recall that it was Putin that denied the neocons their dream of “regime change” in Syria. Putin said Nyet to that. That’s what triggered the current wave of anti-Russian and anti-Putin hysteria and the West’s proxy War in Ukraine.
The attack was supposed to happen on March 8. What is crucial to the matter, is if there is one more incident, Russia will level Kiev, so what hardliners in the Russian forces wanted from the beginning. There was a good informational program about this, Judging Freedom, with Judge Napitolano and Connor Freeman. Vicki Nuland make her comment about nasty surprises ahead for Russia. Didn’t take long after she said it.
“My uncle used to say… that the best manure salesmen often carry their samples in their mouths. Russian officials seem to be pretty good manure salesmen,” said White House National Security Council spokesman John Kirby. He added that the statement was “nonsense propaganda.”
The official definition of the “pot calling the kettle black”.
It’s a pretty funny saying, at least.
Sometimes the person delivering the saying has an effect on how the saying is perceived. Kirby is one of those people.
Kirby. The name of the vacuum cleaner my grandmother used. Had a light up front. Heavy. Effective. Only worked when plugged into an outlet, then switched on. Until then, useless while stored in the closet. The same for the human Kirby. Bloviates when switched on by the Biden administration. Only after given instructions as to what to say. He does improvise, but stays on basic message. That is all. Be nice if he was stored in a closet.
That deserves 100 upvotes.
You left out that they both SUCK!
It must have been a manure salesmen is who sold Kirby his hair dye.
Coming from the premier ‘Manure Sellers’….. The U.S. and the West’s MSM.
Interesting analysis if you have an open mind and free thought.
Terrorist’s cell phones were captured along with the murderers and data on the cell phones leads directly into Ukraine. Ukraine was paying these terrorists.
Victoria Nuland’s fingerprints are on this operation.
DRINK!
I quit drinking years ago. Bypass surgery tends to lead to that……………..
“Scott Ritter, who has openly declared his support for one side in the war, says that sources on the side he supports tell him that the terrorist’s cell phones were captured along with the murderers and data on the cell phones leads directly into the side he opposes.”
Fixed, no charge.
Your “correction” affects the validity of what Mr. Ritter says in what way? You do know what the ad hominem fallacy is?
Yes, I do know what the ad hominem fallacy is.
Then why have you committed the fallacy here?
Ritter has a history of telling the truth. Yes, he is biased, and supports Russia in this war; but at this point, EVERYONE is “biased” to some degree, yourself included. The difference is Ritter is honest enough to admit it.
Deranged much and obviously anti-Slavic racist!
I think you’re wrong. These folks aren’t on the Russian side. They’re against the actions of their own side. That’s very different.
Anyone who is conscious views all this in the context of what has transpired over the course of the past 70 years, and especially over the past 10 years when it comes to our activities in Ukraine.
I cannot represent what other people believe about all this, but for myself, I view the current activity of my government in Europe and the ME to be a reprehensible continuation of long-standing violent plots, plans, and actions of this government.
Here’s my take on the event in which some here might find some points not covered by many analysts:
Quick Take On The Moscow Terror Attack
Wherein I try to parse things a little more nuanced than most analysts…
https://richardstevenhack.substack.com/p/quick-take-on-the-moscow-terror-attack
Well, the Russians MAY be liars, but I know for a FACT that the US government, pentagon, intelligence agencies, state department and media outlets are.
So; I will be skeptical of Russian claims, but I am also outright dismissive of ALL US claims.
Silly question, but If our “intelligence” agencies are good enough to “positively identify” the perpetrators of the russian terrorist attack, absent any investigation, within a couple hours, how come they can’t “identify” the perpetrators of the nordstream sabotage, or of the dnieper dam sabotage when they have had many, many MONTHS to look into it??
The blatant stupidity and incompetence of the United States in all these cases leads me to believe, absent any evidence of course, that the US, UK, and Ukraine are eyeball deep in complicity for all three events, and that the US and UK are also covering for Ukrainian neonazi murderers in the so-called “Bucha massacres”. No other explanation really makes any sense.
We know for a FACT that the US regime AND the Russian regime are liars. So I’m skeptical of claims from either.
Very, very true. Very few facts so far are established. Identity of the gunmen. Location of their car when spotted by police. Gunmen abandoning the car and dispersing into the woods. And their eventual capture. All four Tajik nationals. Presumed members of ISIS Khorasan. It is NOT true that this is Afghanistan based organization. Their recruiters were operating sectetly un Turkey. Last August Turkey and Tajikistan caught a recruiter, and charged bim with terrorist act ISIS Khorasan committed in Tajikistan. Recruiting of Central Asian and varioys Caucases based nationalities continued for ISIS-K. Many recruits ended up in ISIS in Syria, or refugee camps.
According to the information from Turkey, one of the gunmen was in Turkey. No other public information available.
While this may be ISIS-K, but it is not likely that they came from Afghanistan.
Russia also Says Baltimore Bridge Terrorist Attack Has Connection to ‘Ukrainian Nationalists’
Lol.
If Putin decides there will be a connection, then it’ll happen and Putin supporters here will jump on that Wagon repeating BS as usual.
Russia “found” some phones that had a text message:
“Hello, fellow Russian haters! We will give you lots of Bitcoin if you attack a theater near Moscow! Your friend, Zalensky.”
Perpetrator caught!
I really doubt they would be stupid enough to be caught with cellphones in their possession. I also doubt they were terrorists. Terrorists are bothered by the fact they may die.
Put yourself in the other mans shoes and think about your response to terror activities.
The US State Department Moscow Embassy issued a warning to Americans to stay away from concerts and large gatherings in Moscow 48 hours before the projected attack.
How did the US Department of State know this was coming?
Imagine the Russian Embassy in New York or London suddenly warned Russians to stay away from Concerts a week before the US Presidential election.
A week later, British and American Men, Women and Children are massacred at a London or Washington Concert. Imagine the Headlines.
Here is a statement from the Moscow Government!
“Russia was ‘unaware’ as the US hid details of Moscow terror plot – Kremlin”
The New York Times reported that the lack of trust between the two
countries prevented the latter from disclosing information on a possible attack in Russia
Lack of disclosure of a potential crime is in itself a crime by the US Department of Justice laws!
914. Concealment–Failure to Disclose
Although 18 U.S.C. § 1001 is often referred to as a false statement statute, its scope extends beyond statements. The statute proscribes the acts of making false statements, falsifying, concealing or covering up. The statute also covers half-truths if there is a duty to speak the truth.
See generally United States v. Lutwak, 195 F.2d 748 (7th Cir. 1948),
aff’d, 344 U.S. 604 (1953).
So, this is a double prong move. The first prong,, is the warning as a courtesy that terrorist are planning to attack so be vigilant. The second prong, an FU statement of “In your face”. Because the first prong was a warning, the second prong doesn’t look that bad.
ISIS and any affiliated are western backed network of assets.
It all amounts to a CYA move in advance of an event they initiated.
Just like Israel did before 9/11.
It has more than Ukrainian connections. For years “somebody” funded a secret ISIS-K recruiting/funding operation in Turkey. In July 2023 Turkish authotrities and Tajik government brione ine ring of recruiters that used Turkish territory to recrruit Central Asian nationals for Syria. They were part of ISIS forces, as well as so called Al-Qaeda forces in Syria. The only difference was the funding and the chsin of command. ISIS fell apart after Saudi palace coup in June 2017, witn funding cut off. It lngered until Iraq took Mosul and until US assembled Kurdish SDF to take Raqqa. After fall of Aleppo, Al-Nusra renamed itself into HTS, so AlQaeda brand was dropped. Many ISIS fighters ended up as “refugees” in a camp adjacent to Al-Tanf US base, while HTS controls Idlib, financed by British. Tajik recruiters in Turkey remained active to continue recruitment to send to Afghanistan and other Central Asian countries, Seveal terrorist attacks were committed in Tajikistan, Both Al-Tanf and Idlib still train this fake ISIS and Al-Qaeda brands.
The attack in Russia cinnects tertorists to Turkey, thus most lijelt training grounds in
Al-Tanf or Idlib. With Tajiks and Turkey working with Rusdia — it is may be just a matter of time to piece together the travel of thise individuals and lunk tgem to both Syria and Ukraine. However, tgese tettotists do not seem exoerienced. Their training was short, as according to exoerts, tgeir handling of rigfles showed kack of experience.
Nuland had a long term relationship with the government in Ukraine. Nuland had access to the Ukrainian leadership through that relationship. It looks to me as though she set the project up with her Ukrainian contacts in intelligence and special operations and pulled the string – on her own.
I’m speculating like hell here, but I’m guessing her superiors found out, had her fired, but of course it was too late, so when it happened, they had to scramble to belittle the notion that Ukraine had anything to do with it. They’re still scrambling, but there may be too many connections to cover this up.