A new poll from Data for Progress has found that about two-thirds of American voters support the idea of the US pushing for a permanent ceasefire in Gaza, an idea that’s opposed by the Biden administration.
When asked if they support the US calling for a permanent Gaza ceasefire and a general de-escalation of violence, 67% of respondents said they did, including 77% of Democrats, 69% of Independents, and 56% of Republicans.
The support for a permanent ceasefire increased by six points since Data for Progress asked the question in a poll that was conducted at the end of November. Throughout the conflict, polling has consistently shown the majority of Americans favor a ceasefire.
In the latest poll, voters were then asked if they would support the US calling for a ceasefire, de-escalation, and the “release of Israeli hostages from Gaza.” Including the call for the release of hostages increased support to 74%.
When presented with arguments from both sides on why or why not to support a permanent ceasefire, 50% said the US should call for a ceasefire right now, while 35% said it should happen after Hamas is “defeated,” and 15% said they weren’t sure.
Hamas has been offering to release all remaining Israeli hostages in exchange for a permanent ceasefire, but the position has been rejected by Israel. In its latest proposal, Hamas suggested a 135-day ceasefire with the goal of reaching a lasting settlement in that time, but it was turned down by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who called Hamas’s demands “delusional.”
The Biden administration is pushing for a deal that would involve a six-week truce and the release of 40 Israeli hostages, but Netanyahu has made clear Israel would restart its brutal assault on Gaza once the ceasefire is over.
Nearly 30,000 Palestinians have been killed and over 69,000 wounded in the US-backed Israeli slaughter. About two-thirds of the casualties are women and children.
I can’t wait for Congress and Genocide Joe to continue ignore the will of the American people and continue to supply weapons to murder babies! In the meantime, they’ll fight it out to get people to vote for either a blue war party or a red war party. Either way, all third party voters gets the blame for their parties losing and there is ALWAYS money for war. Gosh, I love our political system…
Good for the voters of Michigan Democratic primary for putting a solid 14% Uncommitted vote. Always lovely to see Genocide Joe losing tens of thousands of votes to an empty box.
Worse, the uniparty is all in, except for a handful of libertarians.
Over 600 thousand of us (not me) in Michigan still voted for Biden. Two other real life candidates got less than 50,000 combined votes. I guess we should be happy with the uncommitted vote tally, but I still feel deflated that this despicable old man is the choice of the idiot democrats in my state.
Come on, Wars, what do you have against defending democracy?
Touche’
That 13% uncommitted vote plus the Williamson/Phillips/write-in vote is a pretty big deal.
Biden got 81%. Of the remaining 19%, let’s assume that 12% will just hold their noses and vote for Biden in November no matter what — it’s their party and they’ll toe the line.
That leaves 6%. If half of them just stay home, 1/4 of them vote third party, and 1/4 of them actually go the whole way in the other direction and support Trump, that’s a net vote hit of 7.5%. That’s a hurt locker. So the Democrats are likely already scrambling to figure out how to address it.
The Republicans are in even worse shape, and less capable of doing anything about it. More than 30% of Michigan Republicans said no to Trump, who’s in no position to actually get things DONE that could change their attitudes. Biden and the Democrats can do shit; Trump and the Republicans are pretty much stuck with just talking shit.
One obvious solution for the Democrats is to wipe the slate clean with a different nominee. But even if they keep Biden, he has domestic vote-buying opportunities (for example, he could push forward with de-scheduling cannabis, do yet more rounds of student loan forgiveness, etc.), and he might find a way to show enough backbone versus Netanyahu to win some pro-Palestine Democrats back, while not so much that he sends pro-Israel Democrats running for the exits.
That doesn’t change my opinion of the 600+ thousand who voted for Biden. My concern isn’t with the democrats, it’s about people in general.
Like the 400,000 Democrats and progressives who voted for W. in
2000. Nader got the blame for the approximately 96,000 votes he garnered, but the damage was done by the above.
The rumored “different nominee” in So Cal is Gavin Newsome. At first I laughed, then gathered my senses and determined, “oh h*ll no!”.
Newsom and Harris are probably the only two “different nominees” who could plausibly lose to Trump.
If the Democrats were serious about ditching Biden early on (or if he’d just openly decided to not run), they’d have already recruited a Democratic governor of a red or purple state — that is, a Democrat who has proven he or she can beat Republicans in Republican states — like Laura Kelly, Andy Beshear, or Jared Polis.
Since they put it off, if they’re going to replace Biden their best bet is probably Michelle Obama. She’d get out the Democratic vote in a big way.
And Trump celebraters.
I live in So Cal and it is rumored that Gavin (Mr. Slick, I call him) Newson is being promoted. I am having trouble sleeping.
“[C]an’t wait for Congress and Genocide Joe to continue ignore the will of the American people and continue to supply weapons [although] third party voters gets the blame for their parties losing.”
Fr sure Dem’s will blame uncommitted’s if Biden loses. But what makes Listen to Michigan different is that uncommitted’s are prepared to own the ‘spoiler’ label:
“It remains unclear how many…’uncommitted’ voters will continue to withhold their support for Biden in the general…but organizers [argue] it’s on the president to earn their support — and…say it won’t be their fault if Biden ends up losing Michigan to…Trump in the general.”
“‘President Biden himself, by failing to call for a cease-fire, is on track to deliver the presidency back to Donald Trump and his white supremacist buddies’ said…a spokesperson for Listen to Michigan.”
“Tlaib and ‘uncommitted’ voters…delivering a major rebuke to Biden over Israel — and it could make him lose Michigan to Trump in 2024 (Business Insider, 2/28/24)
2/ ie – What’s really at stake here is the rejection of the Dem. Party’s inveterate refusal to represent what Dem majorities want – meaning the rejection of its extortionate ‘lesser of two evils’ demand.
Without the lax absentee ballot rules we had in ‘20 because of the covid hysteria, Biden’s path to victory is blocked.
The way things are going for him he may not carry any State at all.
There are close to 20 states where has about as much chance of losing as you do of getting to the moon by squatting and farting really hard. He may not even be a Walter Mondale grade candidate, but Trump doesn’t come anywhere close to Ronald Reagan, either.
At the moment, polling has him at 267 electoral votes either solid Democrat or leaning Democrat, with Trump at 219, and 52 — Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia and Arizona — in “swing state/tossup” range. He’ll need to carry one (any one) of those swing states to win the election.
If by he you mean Biden – you can scratch Michigan.
If I was a Biden campaign strategist, I’d probably recommend scratching Michigan and putting most money, staff, etc. I had there into Wisconsin instead.
But then again, if I was a Biden campaign strategist I’d kill myself.
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Aaron Bushnell claimed he had secret knowledge of US troops fighting in Hamas tunnels under Gaza — just hours before setting himself on fire in an “extreme act of protest” against Israel, a close pal told The Post on Tuesday.
The 25-year-old airman — who served in the Air Force’s 70th Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) Wing, but also interacted with radical anarchist groups online — ranted he had “top-secret clearance’’ for military intelligence data in the call to his friend Saturday night, he said.
“He told me on Saturday that we have troops in those tunnels, that it’s US soldiers participating in the killings,’’ the pal, whose ties to Bushnell have been verified by The Post, claimed.
“His actual job involves the processing of intelligence data. Some of what he was processing had to do with the Israeli Gaza conflict.”
“One of the things he told me is that coming across his desk … was the US military was involved in the genocides going on in Palestine,’’ the friend said, referring to Israel’s war against the Palestinian terror group Hamas in Gaza.
“He told me that we had troops on the ground, you know, that were there and were killing large numbers of Palestinians.
“There’s just too many things I don’t know, but I can tell you that the tone of his voice just had something in it that told me he was scared,’’ the buddy said.
“I’ve never heard that tone come out of him.”
Posting source
https://nypost.com/2024/02/27/us-news/aaron-bushnell-claimed-secret-knowledge-of-us-forces-in-gaza/
Typical smear piece of a courageous soul, source is his “pal”.
The NY Post is sometimes good with oppositional political stories that msm won’t cover to protect Biden. But they are unabashedly pro Zionist, pro Israel and pro war, in general.
I would imagine if there are comments, they would think it was a good thing and would be cheering it on.
However, this following story is not about boots on the ground, but the airforce assisting in targeting. How the US was helpful in targeting makes zero sense when you consider the bombs used and the results.
BIDEN ADMIN DEPLOYED AIR FORCE TEAM TO ISRAEL TO ASSIST WITH TARGETS, DOCUMENT SUGGESTS
Guidance for officers deployed to Israel appears to show the U.S. military providing intelligence for airstrikes in Gaza.
https://www.sott.net/article/487875-Biden-admin-deployed-air-force-team-to-Israel-to-assist-with-targets-document-suggests
Like I said before, we don’t need AI or Zombies. The majority of our soldiers are so brainwashed that they believe deep in their hearts:
1. They are saving the people they are actually killing.
2. Other countries’ civilians deserve or have to die.
3. By killing the above, they are bringing us freedom at home.
No AI or Zombies can do a better job. That’s why they are in the tunnels of Gaza.
But then when the trance wears off, they are fucked up for life.
All soldiers are brain washed that`s how they get them to kill total strangers with out question , i looked into joining the British Army in 1967 when i began asking questions the army recruiters tone changed , my first question was would i be sent to fight in the civil war between Northern Ireland and Britain he was completely dumb founded and said i was not suitable the last thing the army wants is people who will question their orders , as the saying goes ours is not to reason why our`s is but to do or die = CANNON FODDER .
Goring explained the process.
Speaking of the word “zombie”. You need to look up the music video ” Zombie” by the Cranberries. Haunting.
Interesting. So it was written against the IRA and on the side of Brittain, but through out the video clip it shows the occupying British soldiers with machine guns? Okay, then.
Rooting terrorists out of tunnels and rescuing hostages is not genocide,it is righteous.
You’re a dishonest sociopath, why should we care what you have to say, Sully ?
If you don’t care what he says, hit the ignore button. That is what it is for.
In other words,you cannot tolerate anyone who disagrees with you.HAHAHA.
the little jake: “When Hamas rape gangs de-”
Hamas “rape gangs”?
Anyone noticed how genocide jake lies a lot?
“REVEALED: NYT Writer Outed as IDF PROPAGANDIST
Krystal and Saagar discuss a NYT writer on a debunked Oct 7th article being outed as an IDF propagandist.”
HAHAHA!
“HA-”
ya gotta wonder – since the “rape gang” story is becoming unusable, propaganda-wise…
…just why does ‘the little jake’ keep fixating on images of ‘half-dressed women’ and ‘gang rape’?
Ehud Barak admitted that many of the tunnels were constructed by Israel. You can google it.
The IDF has been doing a excellent job killing its own since 2.Oct. Likid doesn’t want any of the POWs to survive.
Hannibal Doctrine
Peace can only occur when people accept realities,such as that Hamas committed a murderous pogrom.
Jake – repeating that lie only ruins your credibility. It’s well established that the IDF unleashed tanks and Apache gunships on those hapless Israelis – killing roughly 400 that day.
Your anger should be directed at the Likud and IDF.
He has no credibility to ruin.
No it’s wrongeous.
I would not believe anything from a person that was nutty enough to put himself on fire. Normal people don’t do that.
Normal people don’t have the courage nor the conviction. In HIS mind he died for something. How could you possibly go out any better than that?
Normal people don’t set others on fire either. But I’ve never noticed you calling them nutjobs.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/821f361963a25fb3eabce73745b703bdf5b869639447e650f87c7715f81b86a8.jpg
I’m surprised you didn’t put a picture of Joan of Arc being burned at the stake. In any case, I will stick to my point. Either Aaron Bushnell had mental problems or he was stupid enough to think his action was going make a difference. In other words a nutjob.
The smearmeisters are falling all over themselves to find dirt with which to bury him. In other news, apparently, the CIA has been in Ukraine 12 years cranking up things.
It’s fascinating to observe the difference in narrative on independent media as well as on social media versus Regimisit media.
I just made the mistake of looking at comments. At the top someone was upset about him sharing information and blather about “national security”.
If true, how the fuck is killing people, in a genocidal plan, saving America? Our people are nuts, and Julian Assange seems to have no chance in a nation of morons with no moral compass. North is south.
It is intriguing,but then he should have gone to the media.Suicide makes him less believable.
Who would believe a person who set himself on fire?
Brilliant. (SARCASM)
He did go to the media – His impact is enormous. Social Media and Independent Media are packed with articles and interest.
More than two-thirds of US politicians are supporting the genocide of Palestinians in Gaza.
More than two-thirds of US politicians are supporting Israel right to defend itsself.
By conducting a genocide. Starving people to death isn’t self-defense. 500 trucks used to get in. Now it’s 85. It doesn’t get any more blatant than that.
If want you more aid trucks? Get Hamas to let the hostages go. The Hamas leadership need to care more about people who live in Gaza than killing a few IDF soldiers and scoring PR points.
So, using starvation as a negotiating ploy? You really are a fucking disgusting piece of work.
As the occupying power, Israel has no right to defend itself
International Law
Only there is no occupation,and the murder of unarmed civilians is never condoned.
How come Israel kills their own people then? Hannibal Directive – neve ever condoned but I bet you do.
Jake – what are the borders of Israel ?
There is also the popular trope that Israel benevolently ended its occupation of Gaza in 2005 only to come under repeated attack by Hamas. But while Israel withdrew military forces and settlers from Gaza, it has remained an Occupying Power by virtue of its continued control of the strip. Nothing and nobody go into or out of Gaza without Israel’s permission. Gaza remains, as it was described in 2004 by Head of Israel’s National Security Council Giora Eiland, “a huge concentration camp.”
Yea, that is how real life works. Do you expect Israel to not fire back when being shot at? BTW, under international law an occupying power has the right to defend itself if its citizens are being attacked. The Oct 7 attacks combined with the firing of rockets at Israel cities, gives Israel to conduct it counter attack.
Not according to international law.
Unfortunately, polls in America have very little effect on the war going on in Gaza. The Israelis will never stop fighting unless HAMAS leaves Gaza. HAMAS will never leave Gaza. It’s between HAMAS and the Israelis to find a way forward.
The Israelis will stop fighting when it’s the only way to keep American dollars and arms heading their way. Although Israel’s leader does like being in charge and not in prison, so hopefully he’ll choke on a pastry.
“The Israelis will never stop fighting unless HAMAS leaves Gaza”?
Hey stupid – from a rag demanding unconditional US weapons:
“Israel’s dependence on the United States was stated bluntly [in Nov. 23] by retired IDF Maj. General Yitzhak Brick….
“’All of our missiles, the ammunition, the precision-guided bombs, all the airplanes and bombs, it’s all from the US. The minute they turn off the tap, you can’t keep fighting. You have no capability.…Everyone understands that we can’t fight this war without the United States. Period.’”
https://www.jns.org/biden-is-the-primary-obstacle-to-israeli-victory/
Good news if we had a functional republic. But since we have a garbage oligarchy that serves a handful of billionaires and the federal eunuchs who carry out their bidding, the slaughter will continue.
The pollster had better have asked: “Do you support continuing funding the Zionist project in Palestine?”
This construction would go to the immediate responsibility of the US citizen’s part in the Palestinian genocide.
Agreed. What percentage do you think would support continued funding?
I’m afraid to answer that. We know the “Save the Children” solicitations are successful. Would a “Kill the Children” … “With your $5 donation we can kill 3 Palestinian children today. Please be as generous as can.” … produce sufficient revulsion to stop it?? You?
Great question. I don’t know if we would go that far in declaring our racial and evil views. One thing I know for sure, dogs suffering advertisement would be more effective in producing humanitarian donations from us than Palestinian suffering and death. If there are no dogs left in Gaza, then rats may still be more effective.
Oomph. That captures it, … despairingly.
On that topic, I saw video of a Palestinian kid sharing what little rations he had with a tiger in a cage, which had been part of a zoo.
I have enormous sympathy for animals under neglect or abuse because they don’t have control and can’t fight back equally most of the time. I think it comes from a place of how a society treats its most vulnerable. And they have called Palestinians animals. There is a connection in the level of (non) respect for other beings. Psychopathic serial killers usually start by practicing on vulnerable animals. Anyway, sorry for the tangent.
Not too far fetched of a question.
Did you have sympathy for Israeli children who were murdered?
Of course, but the Zionazi narrative is so false, there’s no telling (1) if any got killed, (2) if Arab children, (3) guest worker children, (4) killed by IDF or crossfire with IDF, … or the entire thing was a set-up? Still, the fictional version of events of Oct. 7 aside, I have sympathy for all helpless victims. And, that’s contradistinction from your Zionazi minister who ordered his sodiers to put a bullet in theirs and their mothers’ head: “That’s what they deserve. And that’s what they’ll get”.
HAHAHA
Sorry, I’m a glass half empty guy. I think that 33% not sure or don’t support a ceasefire is appalling, especially that there was only a 6% favorable increase since November. Are we waiting for 1 million civilian casualties? …2 million? …It would be nice to know. Also, 50% basically not sure or want Hamas defeated before a permanent ceasefire (=to stop genocide), tells me the Israeli media campaign is working.
I agree. It should be high 90’s. And even that would be disgusting.
It all relates to the Holocaust pounded into our heads, as if there were not 5 million non-Jews who were also exterminated. It is why there are references to a “Holocaust industry”. That is not to in any way minimize what Jews went through during the Holocaust (which lasted approximately 6 years). Facts are facts.
They are being told by the talking vultures on tv and radio that it’s friendly Israel vs terrorists of Hamas … who are you gonna believe, us or your own lying eyes?
I’m impressed a significant number of people seem to be using their own common sense, though weakly.
Israel has the most powerful PR apparatus the world has ever seen. Its tentacles reach everywhere.
“Tentacles”-I wonder where that word came from.
What the American people think is of little concern for politicians until voting day when the US economy will take centre stage it`s a well known fact Americans like all Joe Public any were in the world are more concerned with what they take home pay is going to be .
Most people want peace. Its a few bad leaders that benefit. from war and revolution
In a democracy, corrupt politicians who disregard people’s wishes are doomed. Now, with two-thirds of American voters supporting a permanent ceasefire in Gaza, where does Joe Biden think he is going?
An overdue retirement.
To a mental hospital permanently…!
To Hades eventually.
He would then become the president of the underworld…!
Competition with Kissinger.
In a democracy, yes … in an oligarchic representative government, on the other hand, he who pays, wins.
More than 70% of us also have favored Medicare for all for decades, but that ain’t happening either.
But, gee, isn’t the GOP bringing forth, any day now, a beautiful deal, right? Mr. Trump said so. So did Mr. McTurtle.
In Israel, Meir Kahane and his organization were treated as a pariah. At first. Now, Kahanists run the Israeli government. That is a big problem.
Kahane has been dead for decades-who are the new Kahanists?
Some people called for a ceasefire on Oct 7 and Oct 8,even before Israel had a chance to act in righteous self defense and reduce or eliminate the terrorists
Bullshit.
A trivial poll even if it stated 100%
What’s “trivial” about it?
Trivial:
adjective
1. Of little value or importance
I can’t make this any more easier for you.
You’re a waste of space and time. I’m blocking you now.
We don’t live in a democracy so the ruling class doesn’t care a fig about that.
If the US government cared about what the majority of Americans want, we’d have a secure and impenetrable border.
Sure, if wishing made things so and the wishes had no attached costs.
If every man and woman in the US armed forces and all federal, state, and local police agencies was put on nothing else but “securing the border,” anyone who wanted in would still get in. But it would also turn American into the kind of shithole no one wants to live in. While that would solve the fake “problem,” it would also make the people doing the wishing pull their heads out of their asses and stop wishing for idiotic things.
If you don’t have a border, you don’t have a country. The world population is currently 8 billion. How many of the 8 billion should be allowed to come live in America?
“If you don’t have a border, you don’t have a country.”
Well, you don’t have a state, anyway.
Of course, there’s a difference between “border” and having a “secure and impenetrable border.” No country has ever had the latter. Not even East Germany or North Korea. And with 95,500 miles of border and coastline, the US is even less likely than either of those to manage it. The choice is between an open border, or an open border with a police state. I prefer the former.
Where the other 8 billion peeople on the planet decide to visit or move to is none of my fucking business. Or yours.
Then how would you feel if a group of foreign criminals,or domestic one for that matters,moved into your home?Fences are fences.
I’m sure Thomas has a group migrants already living in his home because they have every right to move there if they choose to. Isn’t that right Tom?
Who I choose to have in my home is my business, not yours.
Who travels over unowned, unhomesteaded property violently held out of homesteading/ownership by an overgrown street gang is nobody’s business at all.
It is not YOUR home. It is OUR home. The international global community to which we all belong.
The “international global community” you want to police and exclude. Some communitarian you are.
Ridiculous. No one is arguing that the border be closed, at least as far as I can see. The southern US border is a joke, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. It becomes more porous every year.
The southern border is approximately 1954 miles, and it’s the southern border that is being discussed.
People make it here from China. From Vietnam. From Haiti. From Cuba. From Venezuela.
Do you really believe that even if it was possible to “secure” that 1,954 miles of border, the people south of it who want to come here wouldn’t find their way? That they don’t know what a boat is?
Enough welfare parasites and unrestrained criminals-America is becoming a shithole,as you said.
Kerry told a man at a town meeting-“the migrants are coming,and you will like it” Now we have a domestic crime wave-I wonder why.
No matter what happens in Gaza, the Americans will end up paying for the destruction and the rebuilding of the Ghetto.
All who supported Gaza is the war should pay to rebuild Gaza. Starting with South Africa. And the Houthis can sell some of their anti ship missiles and give the proceeds to Gaza. And Arab’s in Michigan could start a “go fund me” page.
i clicked the link to discover that the reality of this “two thirds of americans”
is in fact only a survey of 4,814 “likely voters”
likely voters LOL
you couldn’t make this shit up
You still don’t know how polling works, even after having been provided guidance.
FYI: I too followed the link, I found a very different number for the survey sample:
Survey Methodology
From February 22 to 26, 2024, Data for Progress conducted a survey of 1,232 U.S. likely voters nationally using web panel respondents. The sample was weighted to be representative of likely voters by age, gender, education, race, geography, and voting history. The survey was conducted in English. The margin of error is ±3 percentage points.
I also visited their ‘About’ page:
Mission
Data for Progress is a progressive think tank and polling firm arming movements with the tools they need to fight for a more equitable future.
Progressivism and equitable means means that we spend massive amounts of money to care for the criminals and irresponsible breeding people coming across our borders. It means riots are protests,and assaultive individuals need not post bail. Stores can be burned to achieve justice