Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday boasted that he had worked “for decades” to block the establishment of a Palestinian state.
“Everyone knows that I am the one who for decades blocked the establishment of a Palestinian state that would endanger our existence,” Netanyahu said, according to The Times of Israel.
He made the comments while discussing a plan to introduce legislation into the Knesset that would match a declaration made by the Israeli cabinet on Sunday that rejected “international diktats” related to a Palestinian state.
The strong statements came after reports said that the US and some of its Arab partners were looking to unveil an outline for a long-term peace deal that would include a “firm timeline” toward a Palestinian state.
Netanyahu said Israel is facing “an attempt to force upon us the unilateral establishment of a Palestinian state which will endanger the existence of the State of Israel.” He said the Knesset legislation will “show the world that there is wide agreement in Israel against the international efforts to force on us a Palestinian state.”
A vote on the Knesset legislation was initially scheduled for Monday night, but The Jerusalem Post reported that it was delayed by hardline factions who want a stronger statement against a Palestinian state. They say because the statement rejects a “unilateral” creation of a Palestinian state, it leaves open the possibility of accepting Palestinian statehood as part of future negotiations.
I’m sure he did and I don’t think that decision was in best interested of Israel. I like a the Palestinians to have their own nation as long as it does not present a security problem for Israel.
But you’ve been claiming for months that it wasn’t Israel’s fault that the Palestinians didn’t have a state.
Another word, a Hypocrite…!
Would it make you feel better if my support for Israel in the current war that Hamas started extended to everything Israel did? Well it does not. I said more than once that when Israel gets the kidnapped victims back, they should leave Gaza and lift the sea blockage. And let Gaza run itself without Israel interference or help. Israel should completely close the border with Gaza and be done with Gaza. Gaza can get their supplies by sea or Egypt.
The current hostilities started on 2.Oct with the attack on the Al-Asqa mosque worshippers.
Fixed it for you 😜
I claim and will continue to claim that it is not 100% Israel fault. Nor is Israel 100% right on this issue. Some Palestinians demands are not viable and will not happen. I think both sides need to work toward a real solution. Both sides have a all or nothing approach to problem and that is why noting has happen.
Both sides have a all or nothing approach to problem and that is why noting has happen.
But only one side has nothing to start with and it isn’t the Israel side.
All the more reasons to make reasonable requests, not things that they know Israel will never agree to.
The current Israeli regime has made it clear that it will never agree to recognize the Palestinian state. So barring regime change in a big way, the state of Palestine will be making and enforcing its claims without Israel’s agreement. The question is whether the Israeli regime (presumably in a successor form from the current Likud control) wants to get reasonable and survive that process, or not.
I agree about the current leaders. Hopefully that will change in time. If not the future for a functional Palestinian state is questionable. For various reasons it has not happen in 75 years so it may never happen. I hope it does,
It has not changed since 1948. Not going to start now.
Why don’t you make a list of what “reasonable requests” Israel will agree to. That shouldn’t take long. And then tell me if any of those things will be an improvement over the status quo. If they are, then Israel didn’t make that list.
Israel IS 100% the cause belli of everything. Ok. Imagine that you live in a house with a yard. Imagine that you are not allowed to leave that yard. With few exceptions. Imagine that the food you are allowed to have is not enough for more than one meal per day. Imagine that others have the “right” to enter your yard and house, tear up the house, beat you, and, if there are young males in your house, take them. Imagine this goes on day after day, year after year. Having no hope. Would that make you feel warm and cuddly toward the others that do this? Would that make you want to seek just a little revenge???
Maybe Israel will have security when the Palestinians become secure in their persons, their land, homes, their fields, in their olive groves, are free in their movements, secure in their places of worship, secure from living in constant fear of home demolition and confiscation and search and seizure, nonstop oppression and abuses. The oppressed cannot provide security to their oppressors and tormentors. The notion of Israeli security has always been a red herring used by Israeli governments to continue its occupation and oppression. The one who has no security cannot allay the fears of the one who always is insecure.
Nice speech. Now getting down to the details to make that happen is the problem at hand. And remember Israel security is not just from the Palestinians terrorists, but three time Israel has major wars with Arabs armies to deal with.
Excerpt from 2007 Washington Post interview with elected leader of Hamas:
Wa Post: “Would Hamas recognize Israel if it were to withdraw to the ’67 borders?”
Haniyeh: “If Israel withdraws to the ’67 borders, then we will establish peace in stages… We will establish a situation of stability and calm which will bring safety for our people.
Wa Post: “Do you recognize Israel’s right to exist?”
Haniyeh: “The answer is to let Israel say it will recognize a Palestinian state along the 1967 borders, release the prisoners and recognize the rights of the refugees to return to Israel. Hamas will have a position if this occurs.”
Wa Post: “Will you recognize Israel?
Haniyeh: “If Israel declares that it will give the Palestinian people a state and give them back all their rights, then we are ready to recognize them.”
Yeah, you’re conveniently missing the part where he walked that statement back, claiming he was misquoted by the Washington Post.
Please, don’t let that get in the way of the narrative you’re trying to push that Hamas is anything but the bad guy here.
“I didn’t talk about recognizing Israel during the interview with the newspaper,” Haniyeh told reporters in Gaza City. “I only said that when Israel withdraws to the 1967 borders, including Jerusalem, and releases all the prisoners and detainees, then we would be able to talk about a long-term hudna [truce].” Haniyeh was quoted by the Post on Saturday as saying Hamas would establish “peace in stages” if Israel would withdraw to its 1967 boundaries. It was the first time Hamas has been quoted as seeking peace with Israel. Salah Bardawil, a spokesman for Hamas, said his movement has a recording of the interview which clearly shows that Haniyeh did not make the statements that were attributed to him. “Haniyeh, in response to a question, said that if Israel met all of Hamas’s conditons, he would be prepared to consider “peace in stages.” According to the spokesman, when the reporter pressed for further clarifications, Haniyeh explained that he was talking about a long-term truce with Israel. Hamas leader Mahmoud Zahar said his movement would not cave in to pressure to recognize Israel. “Why should we recognize Israel?” he asked.
“I didn’t talk about recognizing Israel during the interview with the newspaper,” Haniyeh told reporters in Gaza City. “I only said that when Israel withdraws to the 1967 borders, including Jerusalem, and releases all the prisoners and detainees, then we would be able to talk about a long-term hudna [truce].”
As compared to:
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday boasted that he had worked “for decades” to block the establishment of a Palestinian state.
“Everyone knows that I am the one who for decades blocked the establishment of a Palestinian state that would endanger our existence,” Netanyahu said, according to The Times of Israel.
“For decades” puts us back to pre-2007. So who is the bad guy here?
You know, the “Bad Guy” is the one who fights back, and is willing to have a truce with the occupying power if it stops its unacceptable behavior.
This interview of Norman Finkelstein by Chris Hedges back in October, 2023 is one that needs to be watched. Brought to us by Scheerpost: https://www.bing.com/search?q=chris+hedges+interview+with+norman+finkelstein&form=ANNTH1&refig=47e18942d7ca47bbaf4de72252c4500e&pc=DCTS
“ss willing to have a truce” under their terms.
Better than what the Israeli terms are. And actually pretty fair.
And these questions and answers show the basic problem. Let’s not come up with a plan based on reality, but some fantasy. These conditions that Haniyeh wants are not going to happen.
We can’t know if agreement is possible on any conditions, because Netanyahu flatly refuses any discussion at all.
Blame the other guy? Nah. Satan has named himself.
You are correct today, but tomorrow things may be different. Regardless who is charge of Israel certain demands by Haniyeh are not going to happen.
The 75 year occupation, the blockade, were not enough to strangle the hopes and anger of the Palestinians. That is the back story to everything. It did not have to come to this.
75 years of Palestinians terrorists attacks did not help matters. But you are right, after 75 years of stupidity on both sides, it is time to end this. But it will only end when both sides want it to end. And so far I don’t see either side willing to do this.
Are you suggesting that the Likud refuses to recognize a Palestinian state ? That the Likud refuses to accept the 1967 ceasefire lines as a basis for peace ?
Tim – what do you think are Israel‘s borders ?
Not a chance in fucking hell. Israel would rather perish then grant a state for the Palestinians. These people are certifiably nuts.
Israel doesn’t get to “grant” or “not grant” a state for the Palestinians. It already exists. The only question is whether the Israeli regime wants to accommodate it or prefers to be replaced by it.
tk Tk there will be no agreement or accommodation made by Israel. The Zionists want them all buried
Constant denials of this will re-start from partisans of Israel as soon as this is off the front page. I can’t count the times I’ve been told this is untrue, and I’m sure that will resume momentarily.
Its anti semtism to remind anyone of the Zionism ‘s past .
Netanyahu has a great support in US and not only in the elites. Even Antiwar is sympathizing with Zionists though it pretends it doesn’t.
These words of Netanyahu should surprise no one since they are just the century-old Zionist talking points. But few realize this because israel has done everything to avoid a debate on Zionism, leaving the support of israel to The Great Powers, which today mean the USA.
The British Mandate started everything. American support of the suppression of Palestinians hopes has led to what is happening today.
So you are blaming the League of Nations.
Yes. And you see Democrats, like Sanders, using this device of “evil Netanyahu” when it is Zionism at its core, not one man.
Correct. Netanyahu’s father was the major influence in his life. Apparently, the only good Palestinians is a dead Palestinian in Netanyahu’s mind. Indoctrination from and early age solidifies in the minds of Israeli children to hate Palestinians. A good read on this is a book by Miko Peled, former IDF special forces soldier, and, the son of an Israeli general. The book: “The General’s Son” . Chris Heges interviewed Mr. Peled: https://www.bing.com/search?q=miko+peled+interview+by+Chris+Hedges&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&ghc=1&lq=0&pq=miko+peled+interview+by+chris+hedges&sc=10-36&sk=&cvid=B54C8BAEBFF24285AB1CC50DF15E6BD7&ghsh=0&ghacc=0&ghpl=
UN Resolution 181 was one giant act of collective punishment. Palestine had nothing to do with European forced displacement, ethnic cleansing, and genocide.
https://x.com/DrLoupis/status/1759670450097922396?s=20
Total, total FUBAR!!!!!!!!!!!
How insecure you can get,,,!
The same could be said of the Establishment of Jewish state of Israel .
Or else, It’s an excuse to play as victim…!
Zionism is a tar – baby with a holocaust battery on the back.
Shamir said that he would drag Oslo for 10 years while he would work to destroy it word by word .Even Rabin started shredding the Oslo as soon as it was signed .
How the peace process killed the two-state solution
“ Since the early 1990s, the American-led peace process has operated on two core assumptions: first, that a credible peace settlement could be achieved without addressing the vast imbalance in power between Israel and the Palestinians, and secondly, that it would be possible (if not desirable) to subordinate internal Palestinian politics to the perceived needs of the peace process. Israel was not merely a party to a conflict but an occupying power that ruled over millions of Palestinians with whom it was negotiating. Yet throughout the last quarter century, successive U.S. presidents have been increasingly reluctant to use their considerable leverage with Israel to advance the peace process while actively working to prevent such pressure from the United Nations and other forums. “
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-the-peace-process-killed-the-two-state-solution/
Trump was one of those Presidents that failure to answer the peace. And he will again starting next year.
The “peace process” left the Palestinian question out of it.
“ Israel’s leadership would have the world believe that Hamas has committed itself to unrelenting terror since its founding, a narrative soothing for the grieving Israeli public, but also one at odds with Hamas’s complex evolution. A closer look at Hamas’s history suggests that it sought a truce with Israel in 1988, 2006, 2008, 2012, and 2017. Alas, Israel has preferred war to peace, if peace means a challenge to Jewish demographic domination in Israel or a full withdrawal from the Occupied Palestinian Territories.”
https://inkstickmedia.com/israel-rejected-peace-with-hamas-on-five-occasions/
Fairly accurate history. After the election in in the occupied territories in 2006, Israel, with the assistance of the U.S. increased the pressures on the Palestinians. By orders of magnitude. Hamas officers were arrested. A brutal blockade was set up that, with few exceptions, did not allow anything or anybody in or out of the occupied territories. In conjunction with the blockade, Israeli administration calculated the caloric needs of Palestinians, so as to allow into the territories just enough food to meet the criteria of starvation plus. Basically, the largest known concentration camp was created. We all know what Israel has allowed the settlers to do in Gaza, particularly in Jerusalem. And in the West Bank. IDF night raids. Sniper actions. Destruction of homes. It all reached a crescendo in the last couple of years, enough to drive Palestinians mad. It was purposeful. You have to hand it to the Israeli administration. They knew that with enough provocation Hamas would lash out. No one can convince me that the Mossad, Shin Bet did not know of the planning of the breakout of 7Oct. No one! It worked brilliantly. Young men in the Hamas military branch, knowing they were not coming back, executed the breakout, setting in motion the actions that may lead to the Final Solution to the Palestinians “problem” the Zionists in the right wing administration have wanted for so many years. Believe Ben-Gvir when he said that Palestinian women and children should be shot in the head. The U.S. of Atrocities? Willing partners. Very willing.