One in four Palestinians living in the Gaza Strip — over 570,000 people — are starving due to the Israeli siege, according to a report using data from the UN and other aid agencies that was released Thursday.
The report, published by the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC), said the Israeli onslaught in Gaza has “caused catastrophic levels of acute food insecurity across the Gaza Strip.”
The IPC has a five-phase scale for malnutrition, and the report estimates the entire population of Gaza is facing Phase 3 or higher. Phase 3 is defined as: “Households either have food consumption gaps that are reflected by high or above-usual acute malnutrition; or are marginally able to meet minimum food needs but only by depleting essential livelihood assets or through crisis-coping strategies.”
One in four households in Gaza is in Phase 5, which means catastrophic famine-like conditions. Phase 5 is defined as: “Households have an extreme lack of food and/or other basic needs even after full employment of coping strategies. Starvation, death, destitution, and extremely critical acute malnutrition levels are evident. For famine classification, the area needs to have extreme critical levels of acute malnutrition and mortality.”
The IPC report came after Human Rights Watch said Israel was committing a war crime by using starvation as a weapon of war against Gaza’s civilian population. HRW said Israeli forces were “deliberately blocking the delivery of water, food, and fuel, while willfully impeding humanitarian assistance, apparently razing agricultural areas, and depriving the civilian population of objects indispensable to their survival.”
When Israel’s onslaught first began after the October 7 Hamas attack on southern Israel, Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant announced a “complete siege” on the already blockaded enclave and said Israel was fighting “human animals” in Gaza, which is home to over 1 million children.
Over 20,000 Palestinians have been killed in the US-backed Israeli slaughter so far, including over 8,000 children. As the war continues, many more could die from starvation and disease caused by the siege.
Be proud, America! Exceptionalism in action.
As the occupying power, the Likud Gov‘t is responsible for the care, housing, feeding, and protection of Gaza Refugees….inside Israel.
Yep
…And killing them.
CHECK THIS OUT: 2 liberal old friends (NOT IDIOTS) of mine yesterday were upset with Biden and Netanyahu over the Palestinian genocide. So I decided to pursue their understanding of Netanyahu’s relations to Hamas. To my utter surprise, they were both aware that Assange exposed that story in 2006, BUT THEY BOTH HAD NO CLUE THAT BIDEN STILL HAD ASSANGE IMPRISONED IN ENGLAND! HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?
I don’t know. People living in the submissive void.
They both pulled out their phones to confirm what I was saying in disbelief!!!
Good for you.
They were not happy to gimme a win, I can tell you that. They changed the subject quickly.
ASSange is not in prison. lol or ever was. he is cia.
Our population is around 330 million or around 165 times that of Gaza. 8o million starving and 3 million dead with millions upon millions injured. All of our nukes would have been launched by now.
WAR CRIMES…….CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY?……………….
Yes,committed by Hamas and Hezbollah.
It was the IDF that shot up their own people… Try to keep up.
But they pale in comparison to what Israel is doing.
It leaves me shocked and speechless, I have no words to describe my feelings and my disgust with our morally bankrupt Christian officials.
Biden is a Catholic and makes a show of it for votes.
Pope Francis is also Catholic but hardly any honest person can call him Christian after his approval of the blessing for same-sex couples. The West is sick.
Such changes are kind of baked into the trend of “Christianity.” Once Paul transformed the religion taught by Jesus (Judaism) into a Hellenic pagan cult, it could afterward continually change to be anything its adherents wanted it to be.
“the religion taught by Jesus (Judaism)” Judaism is different from Christianity. Very much different.
I agree. “Christianity” as it’s practiced today (as opposed to by e.g. Peter and James) is a pagan cult invented by Saul of Tarsus, aka Paul, spun off on the figure of, and loosely (VERY loosely) based on the teachings of, the Jewish rabbi Yeshua ben Joseph (aka Jesus).
aka God.
According to Paul, yes.
And Twelve Apostles to back him up.
Why would the the almighty God, Creator of the universe, take the form of the human and let himself be murdered so that he can forgive us? Makes no sense whatsoever.
Frankly, I don’t know why he bothers with us at all… You ask God when you see him.
As for me, I’m keeping as low a profile as possible.
We can guess whatever we wish but the teaching is here. If you accept it and follow it, you may call yourself Christian. If it is not good enough for you, you are not Christian. I think, it is simple as that.
Yes, the teaching is there. But there are several sets of teaching, and the teachings of Paul conflict with the teachings of Jesus. Even assuming that this is a “to the best of one’s ability” matter, which set does one follow?
New Testament contains four gospels: Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John.
In my opinion, it is quite a coherent collection of works.
“New Testament contains ONLY four gospels: Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John.”
You left a word out.
There are many other ‘gospels’ that the later Church decided to ignore or not-use. Some are quite amusing (trying to remember whose was the one where child Jesus goes all Twilight Zone “It’s A Good Life” on villagers)
“In my opinion, it is quite a coherent collection of works.”
Not really. Which way did Judas die ? Who was at the Tomb ? Why does “John” go out of his way to specifically contradict details the other three mentioned ? Why do we have dialogue between Jesus and Satan, and Jesus’s private musings in the garden, neither of which was witnessed by anyone ?
Also the NT is mostly a collection of letters (it always felt weird that parishoners were reading other peoples’ mail) from Paul and others insisting on certain dogmatic elements and attempting to codify his/their versions for a unified Church.
It’s really not compelling evidence of anything.
It gets worse.
Why would this almighty god assume human form to sacrifice himself TO himself, spend a bad long-weekend in hell knowing he’d be out in a tick (actually sacrificing NOTHING), in order to create a loophole for a situation HE created (‘Eden’ and ‘fall of man’) with two people – Adam and (st)Eve – that we know are allegories and did not (could not) actually have existed, that an all-Knowing all-Seeing god a) would have seen coming and b) could have avoided with less-than-zero effort.
Convoluted plot much ?
Yeesh, even Thanos could have fixed the whole issue with a single somatic gesture. God’s gotta do this whole crime-thriller redemption arc with Judas as a premodern Professor Snape ?
I’m not really familliar with the Harry Potter novels, but Judas was obviously the most trusted and honored of the disciples. If you read the gospels closely, he “betrayed” Jesus at the express order of Jesus, after objecting, so that prophecies could be fulfilled.
The HP novels are pretty good; Rowling was smart to evolve the narratives with her fan base (thanks for a kid-movie Star Wars Episode I, George Lucas) and derive an in-world fantasy structure well removed from the likes of Jordan, Tolkien, Lewis, Pratchett et. al.
Plus it got a lot of kids reading books at a time when screens were becoming more accessible to non-nerds/geeks.
I do like the idea that Judas was an Oceans-Eleven style ‘shill’ meant to ensure the whole A-Team Hannibal Smith plan “came together”.
Just unfortunate that Judas had to both hang himself after throwing away the silver he scored (Matthew 27) AND buy a field with the money he DIDN’T throw away and then fall & have his guts spill out in that field (Acts 1).
“Just unfortunate that Judas had to both hang himself after throwing away the silver he scored (Matthew 27) AND buy a field with the money he DIDN’T throw away and then fall & have his guts spill out in that field (Acts 1).”
Yeah, that’s one of the interesting inconsistencies of accounts to be found in the Bible. But it’s not really contradictory to my premise. It would be unsurprising if he was either suicidal or assassinated after, reluctantly and after objecting, following Jesus’ express order to go “betray” him.
I am one who follows what the text says; I am not keen on the Christian Apologists’ method of “reading between the lines and then ignoring the lines”.
I also don’t like “expanded universe” explanations for things in modern sci-fi and other story franchises.
Repeated inconsistencies start to fray the narrative(s) in the gospel and biblical accounts and further diminish any reliability they may claim. The “Judas was in on it for the sake of The Plan” fan theory is fun, but unsupported by the plain text and doesn’t help the overall plot-hole of the Resurrection narrative so key to the core of Christianity.
The plain text in Matthew and John says that Jesus ordered Judas to “betray” him and that Judas did so.
Paul’s feud with Peter and James gets glossed over in the New Testament. Paul pretended that Peter and James agreed with abandonment of all but the basic Noachide Law. Peter seems, at points, to be calling BS on Paul’s claim.
You are talking about hypothetical things. The teaching of Jesus Christ is explained in New Testament. Period.
I pretty much agree with you Mikhailovich…
For me, the new testament is a very old book found in a cave.
And a HELL of a lot different from Zionism!
They are two completely different religions. The “Judeo-Christian” trope is so nonsensical that one might say “Sikho-Protestant” or “Buddhi-Mormon” and get an equally reasonably blanket-term.
anything its adherents wanted it to be.
Or maybe God.. Ever think of that?
Very hard to know what was “taught by Jesus”, in the sense of historical Jesus. It is indeed an Hellenic religion/philosophy descended from the Pre-Socratics, and especially Socrates and Plato.
The teaching of Jesus Christ is explained in New Testament.
“Very hard to know what was “taught by Jesus”, in the sense of historical Jesus”
Yes. There are no direct quotes from ‘Jesus’ – nothing he wrote, nor evidence of things he did. I think the “red-letter bible” illustrates what statements alleged made by Jesus can be traced to whom.
The accepted gospels come from decades after his death, there are no originals of the gospels, their authorship is not known (SPOILER : not written by dudes named ‘Mark’, ‘Matthew’, ‘Luke’, ‘John’). Many details do not agree between the four accepted gospels.
In a modern legal sense, it might all be safely considered “hear-say” and excluded as viable witness testimony. Guy said a guy said a thing happened.
As I understand it: there was an historical Jesus, an itinerant preacher executed by the Romans for sedition. Around his memory was constructed a number of mythical narratives intended to convey by fact and metaphor the immense significance of his protreptic. This occurred within of an already 300 yr old province of hellenic culture. One man in particular, Paul, educated at the Gk uni in Tarsus, grasped its significance and took it straight to center of Greek culture, a culture which itself had arrived to a spiritual/maturational flex point where it proved just what the doctor ordered.
I mean, scholarship is divided. There are Jesus Mythicists, and those who believe there was one (or more !) itinerant Jewish apocalyptic preachers named Yeshuah upon who(m)(s) the later narratives were assembled.
That there was an actual person(s) named Yeshuah who traveled and talked and irked the Romans a bit too much, is an unremarkable claim and one I’m fine to accept.
It’s the magical godlike baggage attached to the claim that draws a hard line between “mundane assertion” and “this will need astounding evidence to corroborate”. I’m more inclined to believe that an oral tradition about one or more guys was inflated and conflated into a bigger (and more useful) story for political and social purposes.
And just how do you know Jesus was teaching Judaism? Today’s Judaism is not the same as two thousand years ago. Not to mention semitic tribes did not follow the same dogma set by the Scribes.
“And just how do you know Jesus was teaching Judaism?”
Jesus: “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.” — Matthew 5:17- 20
Paul: “But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.” — Romans 7:6
Jesus advertised himself as the Jewish messiah (a priest-king who would boot the Romans out of Judea and re-establish the Davidic kingdom of God).
Paul advertised Jesus as one of three Hellenized/paganized gods.
Paul’s beef wasn’t with the Prophets but with the posers who were trying to keep their position under Imperial Rome.
The Magi were pagans too y’know…
Were the Magi the “Kings from the East” who saw a star appear in the East when Jesus was born so they traveled WEST and made the staggering overland travel by camel in, like, a couple days in order to arrive in time for the Manger Nativity Scene photo ?
Where do you get the “couple of days” timeline?
Isn’t that the Christmas Story ? Jesus is born, the Star of Bethlehem appears to indicate the Savior has come, the Three Wise Men see the star when it appears (Dec 25th, Year 0 A.D.) and make the journey to get to The Manger Scene before Mary & Joseph & infant move on ?
I mean, I dunno how long they intended to hang out in the barn. My mom was in hospital after my birth for 4-5 days (mid 1970s) and we left hospital with both of my kids within 30 hours of delivery (late 00’s) so was it customary in 3-5 C.E. to rest after childbirth long enough for three dudes by camel to travel from Persia or points-east ?
They were likely students of astronomy and made the connection with prophesies already on the books and long before the blessed event.
Damned if I know for sure. I wasn’t there.
“They were likely students of astronomy…”
Mmm, still doesn’t help. With our modern tech 30+ years ago we didn’t see SN 1987 coming, and only with modern neutrino monitoring can we sometimes predict and determine the direction of the light of a coming supernova event.
Which is not to say the star or Bethlehem, if it existed, was a visible supernova event – most likely it wasn’t or couldn’t have been. If then it was a Cepheid Variable undergoing brightening, for example, the “students of astronomy” would have charted its fluctuations before and seen this brightening as another in the cycle.
Easiest explanation is, it’s a poorly written story.
Either that or a miracle.
“Think not that I am come to destroy the law … I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.”
A harsh indictment of Christianity. It means the Exodus 21 (and elsewhere) pro-slavery directives of the OT god (as well as other immoral policies) are NOT repealed.
“Jesus advertised himself as the Jewish messiah…”
Hah, I don’t think Jewish Jesus noticed that he didn’t meet Judaism’s criteria for the Jewish messiah. Awk-waaaaard…
Which criterion do you think he didn’t meet? The main selling point seems to have been descent from the first messiah (David). although that criterion hadn’t been applied to the second messiah (Cyrus).
Paul pretty much turned him into an analog of the Greek Orpheus, only an actual god/co-god, rather than the human messiah that the Jews expected and that Jesus claimed to be.
That became problematic later when Constantine required “Christianity” to become monotheistic again if it wanted to be recognized as an official Roman state religion, leading to the “trinity” kludge.
Which criterion do you think he didn’t meet? The main selling point seems to have been descent from the first messiah (David). although that criterion hadn’t been applied to the second messiah (Cyrus).
Paul pretty much turned him into an analog of the Greek Orpheus, only an actual god/co-god, rather than the human messiah that the Jews expected and that Jesus claimed to be.
That became problematic later when Constantine required “Christianity” to become monotheistic again if it wanted to be recognized as an official Roman state religion, leading to the “trinity” kludge.
Which criterion do you think he didn’t meet? The main selling point seems to have been descent from the first messiah (David). although that criterion hadn’t been applied to the second messiah (Cyrus).
Paul pretty much turned him into an analog of the Greek Orpheus, only an actual god/co-god, rather than the human messiah that the Jews expected and that Jesus claimed to be.
That became problematic later when Constantine required “Christianity” to become monotheistic again if it wanted to be recognized as an official Roman state religion, leading to the “trinity” kludge.
“The main selling point seems to have been descent from the first messiah (David).”
And there’s the huge problem. The lineage is patriarchal. A quick borrow from Wikipedia (accurate enough for intents & purposes here) :
“Matthew has twenty-seven generations from David to Joseph, whereas Luke has forty-two, with almost no overlap between them or with other known genealogies. They also disagree on who Joseph’s father was: Matthew says he was Jacob, while Luke says he was Heli.”
Conflicting issues aside, let’s recall who Jesus’s “biological” parents are :
Mom is “virgin” Mary.
Dad is God.
Joseph is at best, genetically-unrelated stepdad.
Jesus has no connection to the descendancy, whether by 27 steps or 42.
(as an aside – hope your Christmas was good !)
I hope yours was as well!
Even if “Jesus” represents a real, specific, individual historical person, it’s unsurprising that the details would be blurry and disputed even as early as the authorship of the gospels, and especially after the paganizing reinterpretations of Paul, the merging into Rome’s state religion ordered by Constantine, etc.
But it’s fun to speculate, and to contrast the text of scripture (itself forged in the fire not just of Judaism but of influences ranging from the Babylonian religions to the Greek myths and mystery religions) to what we know of the region’s history versus the competition of expanded fairy tales it all eventually became.
“But it’s fun to speculate…”
Oh indeed ! That’s all this is, just guessing at history and literature. Kind of a side-side hobby for me, and a topic of interest (trying to determine historicity and contemporary thought processes from different eras).
As a fun example, this ‘Letters Live’ exchange (between two tremendous orators) that proports to read an exchange from “…1675, the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire instructed his army to attack a fortress belonging to the Zaporozhian Cossacks. They were quickly and heavily defeated. Rather than surrender, the Sultan then wrote to the Cossacks and demanded that they submit to him. This fiery exchange was the result.”
A friend of mine who holds a History degree was aware of this “exchange” and, while historians generally agree that the Sultans and Cossacks never actually exchanged this correspondence, the correspondence IS of that era and is genuine propaganda spread by one side, providing at least valuable insight into the mind-set of propagandists at the time.
“Jewish Messiah”? That’s just conjecture even quoting Matthew. As I said, today’s Judaism isn’t the same as the past. Here is my favorite part that makes my argument.
“For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven”
And for the record, outside the Catholic Church, Paul isn’t recognized as that significant.
I’m not sure what “your argument” is, or how you think that the verse you quote supports it.
I grew up in evangelical Christian churches. They thought Paul was the bee’s knees.
You really are one homophobic piece of work.
Did you ever read Bible? What it says about the homosexuality?
I went to Catholic school for 10 years, so the book of fables was crammed down my throat. I recovered and learned to be tolerant.
It is strange that after 10 years of studying you don’t know what Bible says about the homosexuality.
At least, you learned to be tolerant which is also not so bad.
I didn’t study the bible. It was crammed down my throat. I could care less what it says about homosexuality or anything else for that matter. I live by the golden rule. And it’s too bad you can’t learn to be tolerant.
The bible was written towards the end of the bronze age. Some people still lived in caves. Nobody had any idea what stars and galaxies are.
For sake of discussion, why don’t you provide your BEST citation from the bible (just one, for sake of time) that “says something” about homosexuality. Your go-to, A-list, top-tier, slam-dunkin’-donut, mike-drop chapter and verse.
I hear that the bible says things, I have seen some and their debunking, want to know which one convinced you the bible is correct on the topic.
At least he had the the moral clarity to call the Zionists terrorists.
And he remains a staunch defender of the institution of marriage… He is still my Number 1 Jesus Man!
Peace
A lot of different people and different organizations are condemning what Zionists are doing in Gaza. It doesn’t mean they all should be Christians or Muslims because of that.
A lot of different people and different organizations are condemning what Zionists are doing in Gaza.
Yeah, and I’m one of them but none of us have been handed down God’s Church directly from the Apostle Peter till today.
Pope Francis makes the cut!
Pope Francis moved Catholic Church further from Christianity. Probably, he knows better what his clergy is expecting of him.
Orthodox Church, imperfect as it is, unlike Catholic Church, never burned people alive, never collaborated with Nazism and never accepted LGBT’s “new morality”.
I don’t think the Pope is being guided by the desires of his flock but by his own moral compass.
I have a great deal of respect for the Russian Orthodox Church and look forward to our reuniting under one cross.
The collaboration smear against the Church is Zionist propaganda.
“Orthodox Church, imperfect as it is, unlike Catholic Church, never burned people alive”
Among others, Nekras Rikavov, Ivan-Vollk Kuritsyn, Dmitry Konoplev, and Ivan Maksimov disagree.
Or would, if they hadn’t been burned alive by the Orthodox Church as heretics.
They were executed by Vasili III the father of Ivan IV. He was the chairman of the court. Thanks to the influence of the clergy, the rest of heretics were sent to monasteries and thus escaped the execution.
Nice try.
True Christians are not prejudges against people for their sexual orientation or their race or their religion or any other traits that don’t agree with your idea of normal.
My idea of normal coincides with Christian idea of normal and definitely doesn’t coincide with the idea of “new normality” and “new morality” promoted at the moment in The West.
And anything not “normal” to you is unacceptable? And maybe the west is just “promoting” acceptance and tolerance. Something that probably wouldn’t be necessary if not for close-minded people like yourself that just can’t accept anyone different from what you think is normal.
“Open-minded” people like yourself are always on the side of the evil. Your “tolerance”, which is forcing “sexual education” upon small children, became a nightmare for their parents.
Homosexuality is “evil”? Is that from the teachings of Jesus Christ? Yes, and teaching children tolerance is a nightmare in your bigoted little world. But luckily, a good parent, like yourself, can still teach hate to their kids to offset any of that tolerance that is “forced” upon them.
I think you’re thinking of Scotsmen, not Christians.
GOLD.
You can skip this entire sub thread, so off topic
Anyone can skip any sub thread.
A POS is he always a POS.
Not set in stone untill you pass on.
Religion means nothing anymore, Its the ethics of the individual him/her self that matters in the end.
To say someone else is gonna save your soul is a cop out.
Religion means nothing anymore, Its the ethics of the individual him/her self that matters in the end.
To say someone else is gonna save your soul is not possible.
IMO its the direction you head that counts.
You can try to achieve ethical and moral means through love and on occasion fall and do something wrong and get back up and learn and change those things and move on while constantly heading towards the same goal of moral and ethical means through love and your soul becomes a beautiful thing before God
Or . . . you can pursue evil and occasionally repent for a moment becuase of the repercussions of your actions and immediatly pursue evil again with selfishness and hate and yor soul becomes seperated from the rightous in the end
Its not a single instance of bad or good. Its the direction you go along the way.
The only one to save or condemn your soul is you! Not someone else.
Take responsibility for it.
If it’s any consolation, the strongest wings of the Evangelical Christian Nationalist movement hard at work turning the USA into a Christian theocracy, believe fully that the Catholic Church is heretical at best, openly ‘Satanic’ at worst (with the Jehovah’s Witnesses openly viewing the RCC as “the whore of Babylon”)
The clowns pushing for Christian exceptionalism in the USA, and those on the fringes supporting it, utterly fail to recognize that if theocracy is accomplished, VERY DIFFERENT sects will all come to the table expecting a place.
The Southern Baptists; the Catholics; the Mormons; the mainstream Protestants; fringe elements like Westboro and the dipwad Young-Earth Creationists like Mike Johnson’s friends at Answers In Genesis.
And I’ve only named the ones known to be hostile or directly opposed to the others. You want Megadeth’s “Holy Wars (…The Punishment Due)” played out in real life ? End secular government in the USA and watch a blood-Ba’ath.
Merry Christmas and peace to the world, we need it.
Zionists can do it only because US is on their side. Without help from US, it would be impossible.
The US is under a tyranny of Neocon Zio-Nazis. Its people are not responsible for this atrocity.
Cold comfort for US when accounts get settled… 9/11 was just the down payment.
… cold comfort especially right now. Like Gideon Levi recently, I’ve never been so ashamed … .
Yes. Only in Israel’s press do you hear criticism of their country like that of Gideon Levy. Our MSM clowns wouldn’t have the gonads to utter such truths.
You may find this interesting. 2 liberal old friends of mine yesterday were upset with Biden and Netanyahu over the Palestinian genocide. So I decided to pursue their understanding of Netanyahu’s relations to Hamas. To my utter surprise, they were both aware that Assange exposed that story in 2006, BUT THEY BOTH HAD NO CLUE THAT BIDEN STILL HAD ASSANGE IMPRISONED IN ENGLAND! HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?
I think that is typical. I think a good portion of our population doesn’t have a clue as to who Assange even is.
Which portion is larger? Portion who doesn’t know Assange vs. portion who thinks he works for Putin?
Plus, there are other “portions”. Like the witch/bitch Clinton wanting him executed. I’m sure she thinks he’s works for Putin too but that wouldn’t be a requirement for her to want him offed. And there are plenty like her. Maybe not for execution, but certainly for prosecution. That’s the depressing part. Assange should have parades thrown in his behalf. Along with Snowden, Manning…..
Agreed. Can you imagine the type of people who listen to her, her podcast, or attend her class at Columbia? What kinda people? I just can’t.
She wanted Assange offed because in the Cablegate dump, Wikileaks exposed her attempt to have UN diplomats’ offices bugged.
We are all under a tyranny of Satan. God gave to humans a sword to fight. It is the capacity to distinguish the good from the evil and the truth from the lies.
What happened to that capacity?
That capacity is balanced by the capacity of Satan who is according to New Testament (John 8:44) is the father of lies.
“God gave to humans a sword to fight.”
Generous of him.
I mean, if I were the Almighty God-boy of The Cosmos LLC, and some dude named Stan that used to be my consigliere or my prosecuting attorney until we had a falling-out, was running amok on a planet I cobbled together where 98% of the geography and 96% of the humans weren’t my Chosen Places or People, in the spaces between the ticks on a Planck Time clock I’d have banished Stan to the Phantom Zone, had a sandwich, and said “Wow, that really was not difficult. Glad I didn’t just let that situation fester for millenniae.”
So, you think he’s a sadistic prick too?
If he’s a character in a book, he’s the antagonist and the whole bible is in the “unreliable narrator” genre (like Fight Club or Fallen)
If he’s real, he’s not worthy of worship.
They will be responsible if they vote for war criminals in the next election. The leadership seems to believe the people will reelect the war criminals, people without honor, including a demented old man for president. Can that be true?
Exactly why I dont vote.
I agree, a boycott is an effective option. Then, they’ll have to make it a requirement … for a driver’s liscence, raising the level of popular contempt another quantum.
Boycott is good yet we haven’t fully communicated unless we write in friends and pets during the largest turnout of voters in recorded history.
Even in the states that allow write-in votes, in many of them votes for candidates not formally “registered” as write-ins are neither counted or acknowledged, meaning that said votes “communicate” little if anything.
This is what gets me, We live in the agge of digital expanded communication, Yet thos in power cant creat non biased website portal with every registered individual in the country and their platforms in which we can pick and vote for the one we like without media interference.
Truely we do not live in an actual free democracy, Its a crafted controlled illusion by those who fear they will lose their power and control due to majority opinion and failing governance.
It’s not that they can’t, it’s that they won’t.
The point is acting in solidarity against fake elections and totalitarian military empire.
You referred specifically to a “communication” aspect.
How can a write-in vote “communicate” anything if it’s not counted or reported?
There will be announcements as the polls close. Those who wrote in pets will be part of the voter totals. The difference between tallies for candidates and the number who voted will be those who are not counted.
The US was a great country that could rise above the perversion of attacking Russia, supporting genocide of Palestinians and threatening Venezuela, Iran and Korea.
The founding fathers advised against entanglement in foreign wars and the reasons are obvious. I advocate Nobody for president as my old friend Wavy Gravy did many tears ago. If someone can come up with another way to stop unprovoked US attacks on innocent people around the world I support it.
Announcements by whom? And to what effect?
I don’t have anything AGAINST writing in pets and friends. Anything to fuck with the system in even a minor way strikes me as nice. But that would be an exceedingly minor way and would “communicate” nothing but an unspecified dismissal of said system.
Voter turnout is one if the figures mentioned after the poles close. When votes for the two sides of the same coin don’t add up to the total votes cast, then we will know how many of us think democracy as a leadership method is America’s next step.
Senator Gravel told us in presidential debate that representative democracy works exactly backwards. The people’s briad knowledge should set the goals and the government then helps organize accomplishment.
If the people decide to do something like this, there are sufficient people among us to organize unofficial exit poles via smart phone for us to know our new government is already working as the old one is going down,
The US has experienced moral collapse among leadership. We either go with the flow or build a new seven facet form of government.
“When votes for the two sides of the same coin don’t add up to the total votes cast, then we will know how many of us think democracy as a leadership method is America’s next step.”
There are always deficits in vote totals (e.g. 1,000 people turned out for the election, but only 300 of them cast votes in a particular race).
How often do you see those deficits commented upon, or even reported outside of the precinct tabs that five or six people bother to pick up at their local election office if they’re particularly interested in the data?
Like I said, it’s not a bad idea. It’s an idea that I may just participate in. But it’s just that it’s an idea that will have no effect whatsoever in 2024 unless there are bigger changes in the next year than there have been in the last 20 years. Because, among other reasons, “the people” aren’t going to decide to do it. More than half of “the people” either don’t vote or aren’t allowed to vote, and of the slightly less than half that do, 90-odd percent are still fully on board with the system as it exists.
The US is in its terminal decline. But it doesn’t seemed to have reached the “suddenly” part of its “slowly then suddenly” political bankruptcy. I predict that it will within the next 26 years, and when it does I hope something like your plan, rather than any of the far more violent alternatives, signals the change.
Each of us can see via one life’s experience and knowledge. Quite a few were involved in the founding of the US. We need to start defining a new way of governing based on the romantic idea we each carry of the American Dream.
I will propose what my imagination sees and gladly adjust to what everybody comes up with for a real democracy able to hold things together for another hundred years.
Now or never rings in my head.
Announcements by whom? And to what effect?
I don’t have anything AGAINST writing in pets and friends. Anything to fuck with the system in even a minor way strikes me as nice. But that would be an exceedingly minor way and would “communicate” nothing but an unspecified dismissal of said system.
Announcements by whom? And to what effect?
I don’t have anything AGAINST writing in pets and friends. Anything to fuck with the system in even a minor way strikes me as nice. But that would be an exceedingly minor way and would “communicate” nothing but an unspecified dismissal of said system.
Write in friends and pets.
Yes, but only in a very limited sense. Really, what choice do the have?
Is cheating “electing” someone?
This mass murdering is a mental disease of the select few world leaders contracted by wealth and power.
We meed universal laws to stop this historical atrocity and to put people like Netanyahu and the MIC in mental care and rehab.
Their brains malfunction.
As if some dudes in China,Russia,and Iran are wonnerful.
Compared to the Zionists, cancer is wonnerful.
Can you believe it, they are real statesmen, we can’t remember what a real states man looks like and talks like.
Our officials talk sound bites, they use talking points. That is if they can even form a coherent sentence.
Their incompetence is overwhelming, that is also true for NATO member states.
If you wish to see what a real statesman looks like, please listen to one of Vladimir Putin’s interpreted speeches.
BINGO. Start with Munich 2007, a historical speech, and end with his last press conference 2023. A statesman with format, we have nothing close to it. We have Zionist Biden and Zionist Blinken.
What is the difference between Russia China Israel or the US Every one of them are breaching Geneva, and The Hague conventions and they get away with it because they have Nukes. The actions in Gaza are no different from the actions that happened in Warsaw except Israel has not been taken to task for it so they have done it over decades.
you are mistaken.Absolute powers corrupt absolutely.
I beg to differ.The ignorant, apathetic voting public put these assholes in power over the last 30 years and now the chickens are coming home
In a sense, suburban complacence and underclass dependence, you’re right; but, there’s no denying the donor class dictated the defeat of first Bernie Sanders, then Donald. All the voters did was affirm a fait accompli.
Humanity survived in the wilds by seeing and listening to warning signs. College grads of Harvard and other universities study how to give believable false warnings that innocent people react to. We must accept who and what we are and not accept a fairy tale dream of well written propaganda.
The first step is begin paying down debts and planning community gardens for spring.
Step two is write in friends and pets for every federal and state elected office.
Talk wirh friends about a new form of government. Do not listen to experts or NGOs.
The true Nazis are Hamas,who committed the Oct 7 pogrom,who are influenced by the moslem Brotherhood,with its Nazi roots.
Yeah huh, . . .
Is it only me who perceives those numbers a little low after 2 months of Israeli completely starving and bombing 2.2 million Palestinians? Netanyahu sleeping on the job?
It’s just that they’re the toughest people on Earth.. Or under it.
God bless Hamas!
gOD bless the Palestinians. Fuck Hamas.
Wars Hamas are the very Palestinans that suffered the brutal occupation since the day they were born, maybe their mother gave birth while waiting at the checkpoints for the ambulance to get permission to get to the hospital. There are reports were patients died waiting for hours to get permission to get through the checkpoint, IDF soldiers are trained how to humiliate Palestinians to make life as difficult as possible. Their children have watched how their parents were treated and how they have been treated.
Their hate for the Israelis is based on their own experience with the brutally, evil occupation. Hateful Americans don’t even understand it, they just hate Palestinians and don’t even know why.
Their hatred for Israel is also being fanned by Hamas,its masters,Neo-Nazi cartoons courtesy of Hamas, and hatred being taught.
I’m a soon to be a 69 year old hippie sitting behind a computer and I knew EXACTLY what Israel’s response was going to be the minute I heard of the magnitude of Hamas’ attack. So, I’m pretty sure Hamas did too. They care as much about the people they govern as the Israelis do. In other words, they don’t. It sickens me when people call them “freedom fighters”. I wouldn’t want them governing me any more than I would want Likud governing me.
Yes God bless the innocents greatly and their families, And may their cries and prayers be heard to the highest realm which i am sure they must be.
And may justice be swift upon the heads of the murderers and theives in all of humanity and may they be far removed from the innocent ones in due time and haste.
Please.
They maybe low and conservative figures to protect the credibility.
Or due to the fact that the entire staff of the Gaza Health Ministry are dead. That’s one sure way to stop the world from finding out exactly how genocidal the Israelis are.
Now they report some 20 000 killed and do mention the unknown numbers of many still buried under the rubble. Two third women and children, I can’t get the little bodies wrapped in white cloth out of my mind. How can the first lady sleep, Biden maybe blessed with dementia, he knows nothing.
Then again, they have no human decency and no conscience.
This Christmas I’ll be remembering the humanitarian crisis made possible thanks to the traitors in DC. People who would rather help a foreign nation conduct mass murder and ethnic cleansing than help the folks who elected them get decent jobs and housing.
You make a valid point
The Zionists indeed learnt well from the Nazis. So well that it seems that their morally repugnant treatment of the Palestinians, and their attempts to destroy Palestinian society within Israel and the occupied territories, reveals them as basically Nazis. – Norman Finkelstein
Let us look at the beliefs of theMuslim brotherhood who influenced Hamas,and were themselves influenced by guess who?
Just because you say so does not make it so. Hamas is not based on religion, it is based on resistance against the most brutal occupation in history.
But you have bias-blinders glued to your eyes and ears.
But maybe you are paid for trolling, AIPAC has deep pockets.
“Hamas is not based on religion”
Hamas disagrees with you.
How do you know that? It so happens that Palestinians happen to be a Muslim majority. They do also have some Palestinian Christians, one of the oldest Christian churches was bombed, and two women were killed in a church by Israelis. It may well be that they had a son or brother who is with Hamas. Payback for Israeli brutality not because they are Muslims.
How do I know that? By reading Hamas’s 1988 and 2017 charters, which explicitly proclaim it an Islamic movement dedicated to establishing an Islamic caliphate.
That’s just a fact, regardless of which side of the conflict you’re on. Hamas are Islamists. They say so plainly and in no uncertain terms.
No one said they are not Islamist, of course they are, but they are fighting for a homeland and the right of sovereign nations to govern themselves, if they want a Caliphate that is their God given right. The Israelis want a Jewish state and we want a Christian state.
The genocide of the Palestinians is all about their land, not about who believes in which God. It is about their land, their basic human rights, religion is irrelevant.
“No one said they are not Islamist”
You specifically said they’re not based on religion.
They specifically said they are.
In evaluating what Hamas is about, who should I trust — you, or Hamas?
Trust your own judgement.
I believe Hamas people fight for their own human rights, not religion. I am convinced that some Christian Palestinians are Hamas members too since the Israelis treat them no better than Muslim Palestinians.
Their oldest Church has been bombed and two women, mother and daughter have been killed on church property.
So anyone who dares diagree with you is a troll.
Actually, I tested how the other side would react since people on your side get very personal and hostile when people don’t see it their way, they are very touchy and quick to insult others who don’t agree.
Go look on the scawlings on this site.
Hamas official name is: Islamic Resistance Movement.
The current Hamas charter (“A Document of General Principles and Policies”) opens with an invocation to Allah and Muhammad, declares that Islam “lays the foundation for the doctrine of defending and protecting” Palestine, declares Hamas an explicitly “Islamic national liberation and resistance movement” whose “frame of reference is Islam,” and declares Palestine “an Arab Islamic land.”
Guess what, Muslims happen to be their majority, so what? They are not being killed because they are Muslims, they are being killed because they own Gaza and they are Palestinian Semites. and the priests and ministers used to bless the bombs and bullets, maybe they still do it and also bless the nuclear war heads, it would not surprise me.
Guess what, we are a Christian nation, so what, our nations politics are anything but Christian.
Christianity has a very bloody history. Does the Inquisition mean anything to you?
The bloody conversions of others like the Indian cultures? Burning of women/witches and torture of non believers and wars between different Christian confessions? In any case, it is a bloody history.
There are Palestinian Christians, the Israelis kill them too and destroyed their churches.
Stop weaponizing religion.
Which nation is a “Christian nation?”
“The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.” — Treaty of Tripoli, 1996
Israel is low on weapons so they are letting hunger kill more Palestinians…!
It would seem they dont want Hamas, They just like to watch mass suffering of other people.
Don’t forget diseases and the deliberately destroyed, bombed hospitals and the killings of medical care personnel and
blockade of medical supplies.
To allow a few trucks in can’t cover up the real crimes committed by Israeli characterless officials and IDF so-called soldiers and officers.
Animals are civilized, they don’t do what these people do.
Yes,an who denied Oct 7?
Do you know who did deny it, I don’t.
Why Hamas did it is another question. They had enough and are fighting back, what do you expect? The Zionist Israelis imprisoned them brutally mistreated them and their parents, they are retaliating even if it kills them they will pay back. They have every reason to hate their oppressors, what would you do? Simply roll over or kiss ass like Abbas and Fatah on the WB did?
Remember our very own civil rights movement and how brutal it was and the assassinations that came with it? The black people had more than enough and young people stepped out to lead the resistance and for their human rights.
Of course, this is a war crime, Deliberate starvation is among the acts legally defined as genocide under Article II(c) of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide
https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-crime/Doc.1_Convention%20on%20the%20Prevention%20and%20Punishment%20of%20the%20Crime%20of%20Genocide.pdf
Yes, but they’re the chosen people, and so have an eternal Get Out of Jail Free card.
Not in the eyes of most of the world, not anymore.
“Wake up to find out, you are the eyes of the world”…. Grateful Dead
“The living will envy the dead.” I believe it is a quote from Khrushchev referring to nuclear war.
I believe it fits the Palestinian people in Gaza and the WB now.
The key words are: “Deliberate starvation”. Don’t blame Israel for Hamas poor war planning. They failed to stockpile sufficient food supplies to last the duration of the war.
How could they have stockpiled anything? Don’t you know they were blockaded, Gaza is an open air concentration camp, they had barely enough to eat, they were locked up and could not tend their fields, their century old olive trees had been destroyed. How do you stockpile food in a prison? Tim, apparently you don’t know much about the conditions of occupied Gaza and the WB. Get some books, I recommend “Gaza” by Finkelstein, first print 2018, first paperback edition 2021. The cover alone is heartbreaking, a war against women and children.
You need facts to form an opinion.
You really have a way for whitewashing any level of brutality Israel decides to mete out.
One in four households in Gaza is in Phase 5, which means catastrophic famine-like conditions. Phase 5 is defined as: “Households have an extreme lack of food and/or other basic needs even after full employment of coping strategies.
That would be accurate if there were one in four households in Gaza still standing.
Bertrand Russell’s letter On Israel.
https://youtu.be/egfCTz-ZuZU?si=MGr_QhbciQEVS0ZG
Do we even have any philosophes, just one?
People study to get better jobs, the humanities in college are not so important.
War Crimes, Crimes against Humanity…………………………………………….
Netanyahu is a prime example of a countries leader becoming delusional and uncontrolled creating in the end mass murder. He now nas his place amongst the rest of the worlds worst humanitarian criminals. His action far outwiegh any justifications he might have had. He is insane and headed rampant.
We have seen this scenario play out so many times in history. And he is only just getting started. He represents the worst of mankind and humanity has even yet to see it.
This planet needs outreach programs for mental diseases like his. And laws need to be put in place to stop the wealth and power of a select few.
Its this emmense wealth and power imo that creates this mental state and what I now define as a mental disease. A disease of the wealthy and powerful.
Laws need to be put in place to stop this insane behavior from happening, its not fair to humankind that millions die and suffer because of the mental disease contracted b yone or two random people.
Unfortunatly for mankind, I think Netanyahu is just getting started, a pity. . .
You have got some bloody balls!!!
Yeah well i believe that killing over 4000 children in indescriminate bombing and then starving half a million civikians is a mental problem, It must be said.
And my worry is that if he is so cold hearted to do this to people and children, whats to stop him from setting off a nuclear wepon upon an unsuspecting country. I dont doubt he will just for his own ego.
This man is becoming a world problem.
Someone has to say it.
But he could not do it without the active support of the “Zionist” Biden/Blinken ( Chas Freeman on Dialogue works) team and all the neocons in Washington.
Our governing officials are mass-killers.
They encourage him. . .
In a sense, Hamas encourages him as well, but i dont doubt that givin a lack of encouragement, Netanyahu would have created some himself.
The man is a menace. . . literally
For the record I am not anti semitic ( I have a hard time even spelling that word)
If Mel Brooks came out wth a new movie, I would be first in line to go see it.
They are as guilty as he is.
And Hamas and its masters were wicked and dumb enough to give him a pretext. Chaos is desired by troublemakers.
People who blame Israel for what is happening in Gaza tend to forget that Hamas turn the key that started this war. No Oct 7, no death and destruction in Gaza at this level.
You can not do what Gaza did on Oct 7 and than expect Israel to be gentle with their counter attack.
You appear to be excusing Israel’s genocidal response.
It is now appearing that more Israeli citizens were killed by their own army than by Hamas. (As claimed by several Israeli witnesses.)
No beheading of babies, no fetus cut from its mother’s belly, no credible witnesses to the supposed rapes. ( And no forensics.)
No baby “baked in an oven”.
The Israelis are masters of deception. “ By WAY OF DECEPTION SHALL WE WAGE WAR.”
Incredibly, there are still those who believe the propaganda but those are purposely wearing blinders and refuse to accept actual evidence.
The Israelis are copying the first WW propaganda the allies used to demonize the Germans. Some people still believe the Germans ate Belgian babies. It was very effective.
Hamas retaliated for a century of the most brutal and illegal occupation and brutality the Palestinian people have lived. There is no equal in all of history that I am aware of.
There was no occupation of Gaza,no Israeli troops in Gaza n Oct 7-Hamas started this mess/
Hamas provided a big unexpected shock for the Israelis.
Yes-and the same Japanese who raped half and the of Asia gave the US a shock at Pearl Harbor. WW II Germany gave France and Poland a big shock. Gazans laughed and hooted at the sight of Israeli civilians being led off into captivity, and are now shocked that they are being bombed into a wasteland.
You know, Japan occupied Korea for decades, as brutal as they were they pale compared to the Israeli brutality and massacre of Palestinians of almost a century. What the Israelis are doing takes very sick and sadistic minds to come up with. The US makes it all possible, they are as sadistic and sick as the Israelis, shame on all of us. Our national leaders in both parties are a disgrace and and so are the people who support them. The malice of the Biden administration and the support and malice of the people who support him is shameful.
In future history books, Netanyahu’s photograph will be placed next to that of Hitler.
Alastair Crooke
https://english.almayadeen.net/articles/opinion/an-american-chimaera—–peace-requires-us-confrontation-wit
An American Chimaera — ‘Peace Requires US Confrontation with Israel’
And that again requires honorable elected leaders, which we don’t have.
I just saw a video of Israelis singing “May their village burn!” at a rally. Not just random people, it was the man on stage who led the song.
In another video Israeli soldiers mock Palestinians for having their homes bombed.
Israeli children sing on TV about their planes bombing Gaza.
“We will destroy everything. Gaza will never be what it was.”
-Israel’s war minister
Israeli media discuss which countries they should send the millions of Palestinians to, either Arab states or Europe.
Note that the military’s apology for killing three Jewish hostages is this: They were dressed with headscarves, so we thought they were Palestinians. (Yeah, they said they thought they were “Hamas”. Simply because they were people seen at a distance wearing hijab? Sure.)
Yeah, that’s pretty common.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/C6cTUPPYScQ
And there’s nothing new about it, and not just in Israel.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/P0yY5UbegtY
Who is organizing and funding all that? Not just in the UK, all over the globe, everywhere there is trouble there are big expensive organized demonstrations.
The CIA pays much of it, one can be sure the British MI 6 pays too. Regime changes as in Kiev are funded by the US government, they failed in Venezuela and simply declared the elections invalid and the duly elected head of state Maduro illegal and imposed sanctions.
We have really 100% corrupt government.
Maduro does not deserve any support.
Why not, Chavez they tried to kill many times over too. Oh I get it, he is not our man, he serves the people who elected him, he is bad. That gives the ruthless US hegemon the legal right to sanction Venezuela. So much for the value nation, the lovers of democracy as long as they elect our man. That has worked in Europe, see the corrupt, elected trash they call governments, the German little worm they call chancellor tells it. The US, the great ally, blew up the NS pipelines and he said nothing. What more does one need to know?
My view that the IDF has never been anything more than a mob in uniform is confirmed over and over every day, sadly.
And our so-called commander in Chief kisses the Israeli prime minister’s ring every single day. They both belong in the dock at the Hague.
We should not forget the hidden war criminals who really run the show behind the curtain, that is the nation’s power elite. They are people with no honor, morally bankrupt people. They do pretend to be Christians, and the nations real nobility. They don’t have any nobility of character.
Israel’s ‘selective restraint’: US-funded projects in Gaza spared destruction
“ The Israeli military’s ability to avoid destroying civilian infrastructure funded by the US government in Gaza demonstrates that Israeli forces are practising “selective restraint” in what they target for destruction, Human Rights Watch’s ex-director Kenneth Roth said.
Roth made his remark following an investigation by the Associated Press news agency, which found that Israeli air strikes and shelling in Gaza appear to be avoiding most major infrastructure projects funded by the US government.”
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/12/23/israel-hamas-war-live-israel-keeps-up-gaza-attacks-as-un-urges-more-aid?update=2574899
Netanyahu is an out of control leader bent on murder and the UN is powerless to stop the likes of him. It seems millions upon millions will most likely die in the near future. He has already surpassed any justifications for his acts.
There truely seems to be no hope
You are right for the most part, but Biden is not powerless, he has no excuse for his criminal actions. He prevents any cease fire in Gaza. The man is so brutal, he denied a 3 day stop of sanctions in Syria to help the victims of a big earthquake. He imposed sanctions against Afghanistan after 20 years of war immediately after the botched American retreat, how evil and cheap. He confiscated the Afghan peoples money in foreign accounts. He is a very evil mass-killer, equal to Netanyahu, they are joined at the hips.
Shame on the Israelis and shame on us. Yes, the hate against the US and Israel is growing, how could it be otherwise?
After decades of ignoring Arab terrorism against Israel,Israel need no longer listen to the UN.The UN has generally failed n other area of war and peace.
The Israelis, the poor little worms, the victims.
Jake, your ignorance is really mindboggling.
Zionist Israelis have not a shred of human decency.
The American and Israeli Zionists have destroyed the UN and other international institutions. All of them are war criminals. Netanyahu depends on the American Zionists, that is why Biden was made president, he has received millions of $$$ from the Israeli lobby, they own him and the congress. Talking about corrupt government, They are no better than the Ukrainian Zelensky neo-Nazis.
I have been talking constantly about the shortcomings of Netanyahu in this ordeal, but this site is also seeming to be onesided in its articles, It states in the article above that all is due to “Israels siege”. But lets face it. As my father was alway fond of saying. ” it takes two to tango”.
How about a few articles on the problems caused by Hamas? Huh Dave?
Lets be fair, is this site anti war or anti Israel? As far as I can see its all about the atrocities caused by one side in here. How about we expose both sides for what they are. Illigitimate men who cant ever find a way for peace.
I am getting tired of responding to articles about the misgivings of one side. Yes their actions are wrong. But the other side, ( Hamas ) Is equally responsible for agression and a lack of peace. At this point I am really getting sick of it all. The US, Iran, Israel, Hmas, Etc. . None seem to care one iota for the working class. Its all a shame. But lets be fair. What really needs to happen is people need to step up and stop these illigitamate men in all countries..
What is wrong with everyone? Cant you all get along?
Get rid of the leaders of Hamas, Get rid of the American MIC, Get rid of Zelenski, Get rid of them all.
“Yes their actions are wrong. But the other side, ( Hamas ) Is equally responsible for aggression and a lack of peace.”
No it is not. Resistance against invaders, occupiers, oppressors and tormentors is a human right, and that includes violent resistance.
Was the French resistance “equally responsible for aggression and a lack of peace” when France was under Nazi occupation? Were the black Africans of South Africa equally responsible with the apartheid oppressors? How about the Cherokee band that fought the US military during the Trail of Tears?
To respond is not wrong, the type of response may very well have been wrong
If a total stranger comes up to you with a shawl and a prayer book and tells you you are on his land so please leave and you say go fly a kite, where are the “two sides” in the resulting fight? Are you going to check his deed?
Meanwhile,under US laws,people move about all the time,people buy land,ethnic make ups change. There were some Jews living on the land since before the Arabs came,lands were purchases. No one acknowledges the 750,000 Jews from the Arab world and Persia ,cruelly evicted from their homes.
Imo , there is no need for a resulting fight where one side starts killing the others children.
But two can’t Tango if one dancer has hands and feet tight together, to expect this dancer to come and dance is a terrible joke.
That is the case here. The Israelis refuse to dance and the Palestinians can’t dance.
There is a certain kind of poetry to that Lysistrata and good sound logic…
Anyone who has an understanding of Zionism knows that the project requires the elimination of populations who object to having their land stolen for the creation of a new state. So there should be no mystery about what is happening in Gaza. It is simply the implementation of the Zionist dream.
Early on, there were Zionist tendencies, including mainstream groups associated with Weismann and Ben-Gurion, and the socialist kibbutz movement, that advocated cooperation and negotiation with the Palestinian occupants. The Revisionists, led by people like Jabotinsky, became dominant (and mostly swept the others along), of course, and it is their vision of Zionism that we see playing out in Palestine today.
There was no fundemental difference between the two founding father you mention other than how they should appear to the outsiders. The fact is they both knew that “getting along” was a non starter for very logical and understandable reasons: The Arab residents would never agree to having land stolen, no matter how “friendly” the Zionists were. Both knew that a Jewish State could not be created without land grabbing and ethnic cleansing. Ben Gurions was afraid of losing support of the Great Powers. Jabotinsky, the revisionist, took the back seat but he won in the long run.
I think that’s too narrow a view. It is inarguably true that a rather devious management of appearances by leaders was a key factor over the course of the development of Zionism, and it’s also true that land acquisition, by various means, was central to the project and that some sort of “transfer” of Palestinians was considered essential by most early Zionist leaders. It’s also true, though that, what “transfer” meant specifically and how it might be effected was a matter of significant disagreement among early Zionists, especially before 1936 and the Great Revolt (Thawrat Filastin al-Kubra).
It was probably inevitable that attempts to negotiate “transfer” would be doomed, but some early Zionist leaders do seem to have at least hoped that it could work. I think the differences were real, not merely disagreements over the way to present the project to the wider world.
Well worth reading:
Expulsion of the Palestinians
The Concept of “Transfer” in Zionist Political Thought 1882-1948
Institute for Palestine Studies — 1992
so true, it is that simple
What is going on here, why all the obstacles, what happened to free speech? Why is my little response to Thomas on hold? There is nothing questionable, I posted nothing to offend anyone, unless my opinion is offensive to some people. Is that it?
It tripped an automated moderation filter, and was approved as soon as I saw it (it’s a holiday weekend, so I’m in and out — merry Christmas, or whatever holiday you might happen to celebrate).
Thanks a lot and a merry Christmas to you too.
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023/11/1/inside-benjamin-netanyahus-mind-how-is-israels-pm-plotting-the-war
“Inside Benjamin Netanyahu’s mind: How is Israel’s PM plotting the Gaza war?
Netanyahu’s indecisive, distrustful nature adds to the dangers of his war on Gaza, say experts who’ve studied his mind.”
It’s his life in prison, six feet under, and possibly taking the better part of 7 million Israelis with him.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f6f80ad67a5d01de7768dd007629cd4301b0eb77e5d4b99fd6289c0adf581173.jpg
So heartbreaking.
Nutty Yahoo is not using starvation as a weapon of war. He’s using it to implement a final solution to the Gaza Problem. What’s the Gaza Problem? The Gaza Problem is the Gaza Marine, that natural gas field discovered just a bit over twenty miles offshore from the Gaza Strip by the BP Group back at the turn of the century. The Gaza Strip must become a land without a people before it can be annexed into Eretz Yisrael and all Palestinian rights to the Gaza Marine can be extinguished. Just follow the money.
They do all they can to avoid talking about that well known big energy factor, they avoid to even mention it.
Nah. Israel would, of course, love to control and profit from the Gaza Marine field, but destroying Gaza wouldn’t make that possible.
Legally, the field is under the jurisdiction of the Palestinian Authority, and Egypt and Lebanon also have claims — the gas field doesn’t follow the boundaries of the adjacent nation states.
And it may seem that the trillion-cubic feet of gas estimated to be in that field is a huge amount, but it really isn’t in the scheme of things. Israel’s own estimated NG reserves were about 20 times higher in 2020. And Israel has been consuming about a billion cubic feet per day in recent years, so even if it got all of the estimated gas in the Gaza Marine, it would only mount to about three years of domestic supply (using American math conventions).
It just isn’t a big enough deal to be a major driver of Israel’s policy toward Gaza.
The US needs to seriously consider utilizing a new and more proactive approach, with regard to the situation…
It is never too late to turn another corner. Israel can move in a positive direction, easily… Allow everything that is needed in the Palestinian homeland… Food, water, medical care, energy, to be brought in and utilized throughout…..Then, when things have settled down a bit, both sides can have an in person sit down to discuss the best way to move forward…
It would serve Israeli interests too, the nation is in deep trouble even if they win. Winning would be a curse for Israel. If the US were a real friend, they would have stopped the insanity before it started. But the US never was an honest broker.
Happy holidays, since I don’t know which one you celebrate.
Peace on earth, even I as an unbeliever I pray for peace.
Right on! Right on! You rock Lysis, you rock!
You’ve got to be kidding, Ms. Donna. How can Israel possibly “turn a corner” after the utter destruction it has wrought?
Isn’t it a bit late to ask Israel to “allow” medical care after the deaths of 20,000 innocent individuals, not to mention many thousands missing and presumed dead?
If you were a Palestinian man whose entire family disappeared under an avalanche of rubble, would YOU be willing to “sit down and talk” with the perpetrators?
Don’t believe for one nanosecond that things will ever “settle down”. The only action that will settle anything down is for Israel to cease to exist.
Poof.
First get the IDF out of Gaza and the Settlers back in their cages.
The UN is just making an observation, doesn’t mean they care or are taking steps to feed people. It’s all in how they say it shows you where they stand. The UN mandate is to oversee the death and carnage, depopulation, not to stop it. Just try and find anything that shows they fixed it fed anything they report. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bc7c419fd963d8f833d40593d3bde52145819291933e1c54fad65fa15db26d7b.jpg
“The UN is just making an observation, doesn’t mean they care or are taking steps to feed people.”
You clearly don’t understand the first thing about reality at the UN. You should stop typing and start reading — at least that’s what you should do if you want your contributions on this subject to be meaningful rather than ignorant distractions.
At least 50 mineral fertilizer production plants have closed in Europe. It turns out that 75% of the cost of the same nitrogen fertilizers is the price of gas. This means that in 2024 the EU will be forced to either purchase fertilizers or go hungry.
The world is confidently moving towards a food crisis. Because modern crops without fertilizers will reduce the yield significantly. The best example here is the green experiment in Sri Lanka, which ultimately led to default. They refused to import fertilizers, from which they still have not recovered.
We know from the coronavirus pandemic how the democratic United States and Europe will behave in a crisis. They will non-stop print dollars/euros and tear food from everywhere, not hesitating to use military force.
Therefore, now countries that do not have a printing press should think about creating strategic food reserves. And countries that are fully food secure should be very careful about exporting the same grain.
Hamas is playing a sadistic cat’s paw game with unarmed Israeli civilians that it has taken into captivity.It is bad enough to bomb people from 5,000 feet.It is a radically different situation to enter a home with unarmed civilians,mutilate,rape and burn bound victims alive,chop off the dog’s head and mount it on a table.If all Israeli hostages were quickly released,perhaps more food would get to Gaza.It is Hamas and their masters who cause Gazans to starve. Face facts folks.
Good one. Killing 20,000 (again, that’s not counting the thousands buried under rubble) and causing over 500,000 to be on the brink of starvation is peaceful in comparison to what Hamas did. Sure, why not.
And please stop with your exaggerated bullshit about Hamas’ atrocities. Even if they were completely true, they’d still pale if compared to the brutality that Israel has unleashed.
Just an example:
Admittedly, the claim about 40 beheaded babies has been quietly shelved, because there is precisely zero evidence for it. According to Israel’s own published figures, only two infants died that day.
This poster is a POS.
This is a slaughter, genocide by Israel and the West are complicit in the war crimes which are being committed.
Starvation is one way for Zionists to force the squatters off their God- given land. Those who find this objectionable should take the time to learn what Zionism is all about. For starters, try asking people if they know what Zionism is. Chances are they will feel uncomfortable. Most supporters if Israel even go so far as to deny they are Zionists, which is rediculous because Israel is the Zionist state and if you support it you support Zionism by definition, even if you do not want to move there. As a result of the actions taken against Gaza, no one is going to volunteer to go to Israel, IMO. And Israselis will not do the menial work done by the Palestinains. So the future of Israel is very problematic.
https://archive.is/C6w90
Reuters says Israel is under pressure to go to a “lower density phase” and “reduce civilian deaths.” As if the deaths just happen, not through Israel killing them. And it’s “density,” not bombing.
Whereas the Hamas raid is described as “when they killed 1,200 people.”
And it’s not even close to clear that “they” killed 1200 people.
The most recent numbers from Israeli officials are 695 Israeli civilians, including 36 children, as well as 373 security forces and 71 foreigners. So 1139 in total.
And it is now virtually certain that a significant portion of the civilian fatalities were the result of “friendly fire” by the IDF — “friendly” fire by Apache helicopters and Israeli tanks. The most recent revelation I’ve seen was of an Israeli tank firing on a home in Kibbutz Be’eri.
https://electronicintifada.net/content/israeli-general-killed-israelis-7-october-then-lied-about-it/43176
Palestinians now knows what Hanukkah festivities is all about.