The White House acknowledged on Monday that the US-backed Israeli onslaught on Gaza has killed “many, many thousands of innocent people” as the Biden administration continues unconditional support for Israel’s war.
The comments were made by White House National Security Council spokesman John Kirby, who previously told reporters to expect that Israel would continue to kill innocent civilians.
Gaza’s Health Ministry said on Tuesday that at least 10,328 Palestinians have been killed, including 4,237 children. Thousands more are missing and presumed to be under the rubble.
The Biden administration has cast doubt on the numbers coming from Gaza’s Health Ministry but is not denying civilians are being killed on a massive scale. Pentagon spokesman Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder has also acknowledged that “thousands” of civilians have been killed.
Despite the grim death toll, the US still refuses to place any limits on Israel’s use of American weapons. When asked on Tuesday about the civilian casualties, Pentagon spokeswoman Sabrina Singh said, “We don’t put conditions on weapons that we’re sending or that Israel is using.”
The administration is also refusing to disclose the types of weapons it’s sending to Israel. Kirby said in an October 23 press briefing that the US is shipping military equipment to Israel “on a near daily basis” but that the administration won’t detail what Israel’s receiving “for their own operational security purposes.”
While US weapons shipments to Israel are shrouded in secrecy, a report from The Intercept noted that the Pentagon has been releasing fact sheets detailing the weapons and numbers of rounds the US has been providing Ukraine.
Now that it’s public that Israel is nuclear armed, US aid to Israel is officially illegal. And we may not have thought we had to spell out that alliance with the US is conditional on our allies refraining from policies which are wanton war crimes and human rights violations, but I guess we have to now.
The instant the U.S. had knowledge of Israel possessing he bomb, all payments to Israel should have stopped. A well kept secret, knowledge came full with the revelations by Mordecai Vannunu, former nuclear scientist for Israel.
An axiom: Those with power never give it up willingly.
A tiny country surrounded by enemies should have nukes.
Not the point. US aid is illegal if they have a clandestine nuke program and they admitted as much.
Technically if Israel admits they are making nuclear weapons than it is no longer a clandestine action.
Which also means other countries in the region can point to Israel’s nukes as a reason to have their own. And the US’ credibility would take yet another hit. Openly breaking their own laws by giving aid to Israel while sanctioning a country (Iran) that was in compliance as a signatory to the NPT.
what the fork is the big deal.We are up Uk’s ass and support India.
I get it. Since you can’t refute the illegality part just bring up irrelevant bullshit.
Or perhaps the tiny country will be nuked.
Fighting fire with fire leaves everyone burned.
Samson option. 100,000 Hezballah missiles were placed there to be used.Fire 1000 missilesday for 100 days with replenishment-no people can withstand that-.
So your advocating the use of nuclear weapons by Israel?
How low can you go, you murderous, immoral piece swine?
The radioactive fallout will kill most of Israel, idiot.
Like North Korea? Like Iran?
Since when have the US Federal government cared about what’s legal and what isn’t. The only solution I see is to vote for candidates most likely to precipitate a secession of states. It may not happen during our lifetime, but eventually, God willing, the Union will shatter
speak for yourself, I am obviously anti-war & anti-secesh
It doesn’t have to be succession. A loose confederation, as the founders of this country originally intended, works fine to. But the federal government in its current state is a malignancy that threatens the entire planet.
Smaller is better. I don’t agree with the right wing crap that everything is the fault of the federal government, but many things certainly are. Big countries like the U.S. are evil by their mere existence. All big countries should be broken up into a bunch of little ones with their own cultures and maybe even their own languages. Keep things small and local, much better for the planet and all the life here too.
Since when has something being termed illegal stopped the filthy rich and powerful doing whatever they want including electing a bunch of corrupt morons to start sending us to hell with no return ticket.
“Now that it’s public that Israel is nuclear armed, US aid to Israel is officially illegal.”
I’m ignorant of the bomb-aid issue. Link?
The lawsuit reveals how in the mid-1970s during investigations into the illegal diversion of weapons-grade uranium from U.S. contractor NUMEC to Israel, Senators Stuart Symington and John Glenn amended the 1961 Foreign Assistance Act to ban any aid to clandestine nuclear powers that were not NPT signatories. Symington clarified the legislative intent of the amendments: “…if you wish to take the dangerous and costly steps necessary to achieve a nuclear weapons option, you cannot expect the United States to help underwrite that effort indirectly or directly.”
https://mondoweiss.net/2016/08/lawsuit-clandestine-nuclear/
thx!
Do you know what happen to the lawsuit based on this law? I tried to find out and failed.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/lawsuit-claims-us-aid-to-israel-violates-atomic-pact/amp/
As I understand the law aid is ban to clandestine nuclear powers The question: is Israel bomb making action “clandestine” since is well known that they are making nuclear bombs and Israel is not a member of NPT. The lawsuit to stop aid based on this law was file when Obama was still the President. I don’t know what happen.
But it does not matter, because Congress would simply change the law to allow Israel to get its aid.
Until they acknowledge having nukes it’s clandestine.
https://mondoweiss.net/2023/11/israeli-doctors-urge-the-bombing-of-gaza-hospitals/
I read that earlier. All of the doctors who signed that manifesto should be stripped of all professional designations by all medical organizations for patently disavowing their oath not to do harm
That was a bad move by those doctors. They should be barred from any international medical conferences or boards, at the very least.
“First do no harm”
Hippocratic Oath.
Israel is so nice. Even its doctors are war criminals.
In the tradition of Dr. Mengele.
This talk is precisely why Zionism must be strong. Palestinian doctors deny Hamas rapes.
too appalling for words
So the WH admits to being a direct party to the murder of innocents. Good to know.
And the US will just keep on signing checks for Israel…
They don’t care, they know there won’t be any price to pay for being big time war- and human rights criminals. Empire does what it wants, human laws are irrelevant.
“they know there won’t be any price to pay for being big time war- and human rights criminals.”
‘Fraid that was true of, for example, the US’s invasion of Iraq under a lying pretext – 20 yrs later, you’ve got congressional and news apologetics and outright ‘I’m glad we did it’ chest thumping, and one ex-“war President” happily painting de-Mexicanized landscapes vs hung by the neck after trial in an international criminal court.
Still…where the WH is concerned – natch’ it’s following polls showing a dramatic drop in ‘favorability’ in October, including, specifically, precipitous drops in polled support among Arabs, Muslims, and young citizens.
Upshot: as I wrote elsewhere, the Democratic Party knows that its support for Israel’s ongoing war crimes may sink Biden; but – as its continued support shows – it would evidently prefer to risk losing for supporting Israel than risk losing for publicly refusing to enable its crimes.
There will be a price to pay. Biden can no longer win Michigan in 2024. It was close even before he reduced the Muslim community to screaming fury; they had voted for him in overwhelming numbers, but never agan.
Maybe. It’s way too far from the election to say things like that. Voters forget things after a very short time, let’s see what happens between now & then.
To be clear, I couldn’t care less which ruling class military/intelligence/industrial complex puppet gets elected. They’re all evil pigs, and anyone who isn’t doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell.
I believe working class Americans and minorities or next on the list.
But it’s the American people who will ultimately pay the price for the crimes of “their” leaders! The masks are off! If the American people want to continue ‘electing” war criminals, then they deserve them!
Where are the non-war candidates? You can’t get elected unless you are 110% behind Israel and whatever they deem to be right..
Ever heard of Iraq? Afghanistan? Somalia? Iran? Syria? Libya? Serbia? Cuba? Panama? Vietnam? Etc. etc etc…
The coin drops so late after repeated so many massacres….!
And, what does our Mr. Biden do about it? Nothing.
NOFT= Not one fucking thing. It might cost him the Jewish vote and he can’t abide that happening.
My perception is he is going all out for Israel because he doesn’t care to be re-elected…! He wants to be remembered in future history books as an executioner…!
Oh yeah. And they take pride in that! Supporting terrorist regimes is what the number 1 terrorist regime does.
Genocide of Palestinians is completely acceptable because it serves their imperial goals.
Way to go Penta-Gone! Just what exactly do you all do there?… Read comic books?!
We all know the dangers of what is going on and what the possible repercussions might be…
We need you guys to earn the monetary support we GIVE, so unwillingly.
I have no intention of getting my backside nuked and most especially NOT for Israel!
These people are psychopaths and sociopaths. Don’t expect them to care about anything except money, power, and empire.
Jeff; Short,sweet and extremely accurate.
You must mean Hamas,Hezbollah, and the Iranian theocrats.
If you would have said “in addition to”, it might have had some merit. All the overgrown street gangs (plagiarized from Thomas Knapp) are evil.
I’m far more concerned with people with a lot of power, starting with those who work for the U.S. empire. The groups you named are tiny potatoes in comparison, not to mention that Hamas is funded by Israel (for the purpose of dividing Palestinians between the religious nutcases of Hamas and the secular PLO0, and the others are reactions to bad actions by the U.S. and its lackeys in the Middle East, starting with Israel.
Iran is quite a regional power.An extended missile barage by Hezboallah will result in the righteous nuking of some bad boys.The world will be much worse off.
Sorry Donna.This is not your choice but our ruling class will use all means to stay in power especially if it needs to keep kissing Israeli ass.
As Madeline Albright once said about killing half a million Iraqi children, it’s worth it!
Seriously, can someone explain to me how these a-holes are any better than the Nazis?
No rational person familiar with the facts would make that claim.
Or any better than Hamas?
Hamas never killed even 1% as many as Albright did.
CNN = The Ministry of Health in Ramallah says more than 10,000 Palestinians have died in the military campaign launched
Not counting those under rubble.
Yeah, but CNN is MSM so it should be false. Right?
I mean, don’t you all say MSM is unreliable?
CNN is just reporting what the ministry of health said. It is not CNN that counting the numbers.
Yes, they are unreliable. So, let’s ask the White house National Security Council’s spokesman John Kirby.
“You’ve seen some indications there are efforts being applied in certain scenarios to try to minimize, but I don’t want to overstate that. There have obviously been, to your point, many, many thousands of innocent people killed, and each one’s a tragedy. We don’t want to see any innocent life taken as a result of this war,” Kirby said, also noting that the U.S. couldn’t corroborate Hamas’s tally.
Kirby said, “We don’t want to see any innocent life taken as a result of this war,” What he didn’t say was, “but we’ll keep paying for it.”
Then the lie that Hamas is reporting the numbers. Slight of hand bullshit.
Don, you’re working too hard at being the obstinate opposition. Take a break, have a cookie, and you’ll feel better in no time 😉
An Alice B. Toklas brownie might even straighten him out.
so you are shooting the messenger in this case ?
CNN is false only when they report news that certain people don’t want to hear.
They’re unreliable when they promote establishment propaganda, which is what they normally do. When they go against it, like here, they’re totally reliable, because they’re going against their own interests.
There is now a “moderate position” in social media and YouTube going around like this:
“I think there should be a PAUSE in the war but NO RELIEF OR AID until the hostages have been released! See, adding that last part means you can’t accuse me of being anti-Israel, please don’t hurt me.”
So because some people who are Palestinians have taken some hostages, 2.2 million should be deprived of electricity, food and water by Israel, and not given any water from outside.
That argument rests on the assumption that “they are all the same” and they are all a collective working together.
By the same logic it was right to kill half a million children in Iraq with starvation sanctions. As Democrat Madeleine Albright said, “I believe it was worth it”. The assumption being that they are all the same and a collective, all being guilty for what some of them do.
By the same logic, what can we say about Israelis? Going back in time you see what this logic is identical to.
Moderate position.
“There is now a ‘moderate position’ in social media….’I think there should be a PAUSE in the war but NO RELIEF OR AID until the hostages have been released.'”
Reminder – that is Israel’s official position – so no distance at all, just mouthing the Israeli line, ie, unconditional support.
I am reading Norman Finkelsteins “Gaza”. It is actually worse then I realized. They have shelled civilians,bulldozed houses and bombed hospitals. They have starved,stopped electricity and strafed children. What a bunch nice men and women waging Genocide against a people who pose no threat to the Israeli state except for their property stealing.
Tying up children and burning them alive,Oh,that’s no threat.
Do you just make shit up as you go along?
He does.
I don’t have to make up anything,when reality is bad enough-talk less-learn more.
Your reality is exaggerated bullshit.
“a people who pose no threat to the Israeli state” There are 1200 + families in Israel that disagree with that statement. Not all Palestinians are Hamas, but all Hamas are Palestinians.
The whole World is Palestinian now…
WTG Bibi! 🇺🇸❤️🇵🇸
Since the presidencies of George W. Bush (2001-2009) and Donald Trump (2017-2021), the US government has been alleged to having relied on war crimes to increase its influence in the world.
The war crimes committed today in the Israeli-Palestinian war could implicate the Joe Biden administration because of the blank support it has given to the Netanyahu government in its bombing of civilians.
For example, last week, Israel dropped at least two 2,000-pound bombs on the Jabaliya refugee camp in Gaza, killing dozens of people and injuring hundreds. Experts identified the bombs as Boeing GBU-31s or GBU-56s supplied by the United States. Killing innocent people is a war crime.
“Killing innocent people is a war crime” Not if they are “collateral damage”. Innocent lives being lost in war is never a good thing, but it happens. It will continue to happen anytime a force embeds its self with civilians. Hamas knew that Israel counter attack would result in innocent people dying. Hamas did not care and in fact they were counting on it to gain worldwide support. Who is the real war criminal?
In the case of the attack on the Jabaliya refugee camp, were any Hamas members confirmed to have been there? And if there were Hamas members present were they enough of a threat at that time to warrant the deaths of so many innocent civilians? And finally, were any Hamas members actually killed, or were all the dead and injured only civilians?
Contrast this with US-style ‘surgical strikes’ to eliminate this or that person. There is at least a targeting protocol and a chain of command that signs off on the drone strike (or whatever the method of assassination might be) and an appropriately-sized weapon is sent on its way. Granted, mistakes are made even with many levels of command and control, and innocent civilians are sometimes killed or injured as a result. But when was the last time we deliberately targeted a suspected enemy with 6,000 pounds of bombs in the middle of hundreds of civilians?
“Who is the real war criminal?”
Hamas and IDF both commit war crimes.
Furthermore, they both commit war crimes as policy, not only accidentally or incidentally.
But only one side by necessity.
Hamas and all Palestinians have the right to resist their occupier. The occupier has no right to self defense.
So Hamas commits an atrocity-Netanhayu and Biden are now stronger-Gazans get pounded,Hamas shows it is sooo tough, Hamas leaders are living it up in Quatar.nobody has nothing-Gaza is a wasteland and its people refuges,and you honor the concept of “resistance”By the way, Hamas invaded Israel,so who is the occupierand murdered civilians-now look what happened. Are you happy now?
How the F— do you sleep at night with all of your humanity.
Disgusting.
But “collateral damage” can only be used by the good guys. Bombing a refugee camp that kills scores of civilians is ok as long as there might have been Hamas amongst them. But, if Hamas was targeting IDF soldiers during their attack, would those civilians killed be called collateral damage or victims of a terrorist attack?
It is not if you don’t get charged and convicted.
Well we all know the yanks are second to none when it comes to killing innocent civilians , so why would they be concerned when their friends do it .
The world is finally taking notice and reacting.
Learned it from the british,
“The U.S. is not simply standing by, failing to prevent or punish genocide against Palestinians—it is actively enabling and supporting the gravest crime under international law, making the U.S. complicit,” argued one attorney. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d6f9671da702f7282af0fbd0f5f1ff8ae64143b5c18f06a461f7dda9ee07d7d6.jpg
The country that sells the arms is just as guilty as the country that uses them whether against dissidents in their own country or in a war with another.
Where were you when the USSR gave the PLO candy like mines to scatter and blow off children’s hands in Israel? Where were you when the USSR handed out TU-16’s to the Arabs? Were they defensive weapons when Egyp t gassed Yeminis?
The Biden administration has cast doubt on the numbers coming from Gaza’s Health Ministry but is not denying civilians are being killed on a massive scale. Pentagon spokesman Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder has also acknowledged that “thousands” of civilians have been killed.
I keep wondering what an acceptable number would be for the Biden administration. If 1400 was such an atrocity, shouldn’t “thousands” also be?
Acceptable: that which enhances one’s chances for reelection.
Alternative def: Acceptable: that which does not diminish one’s chances for reelection.
Usually in war propaganda, civilian deaths are sold as “mistakes”. If the numbers are very very high it’s kinda hard to sell:
The basic principles of war propaganda (Principes élémentaires de propagande de guerre) is a monograph by Anne Morelli published in 2001. Anne Morelli has summarized and systematized the contents of Arthur Ponsonby’s classic on war propaganda in “ten commandments of propaganda”, which constitute 10 of the essential techniques of propaganda.
1.We do not want war.
2.The enemy alone is to be blamed for the war.
3.The enemy is inherently evil, resembling the devil.
4.We defend a noble cause, not our own interest.
5.The enemy commits atrocities on purpose; our mishaps are involuntary.
6:The enemy uses illegal weapons.
7.We suffer small losses, those of the enemy are enormous.
8.Artists and intellectuals back our cause.
9.Our cause is holy, it has a sacred character.
10.Whoever doubts our propaganda, is a traitor
Wow what a list to think about.
White is black, day is night, evil is good.
1984 at your door.
Many thousands have been killed. I have great reason to doubt Hamas’ numbers and also to doubt their assertion that they are all civilians. Many are Hamas terrorists. But most important, it is Hamas that is responsible for these deaths just as it is the responsibility of the hostage taker when a hostage is accidentally shot by police.
” I have great reason to doubt Hamas’ numbers and also to doubt their assertion that they are all civilians.”
What’s your “great reason?” Please be specific. And at least try to be honest.
“But most important, it is Hamas that is responsible for these deaths . . .”
Do you not understand that under international law and in the eyes of the vast majority of the people of the world it is Israel that is responsible? Responsible for war crimes. Responsible for genocide.
Since Hamas does not wear a uniform how does one know is an adult dead Palestinians is Hamas or not?
The current war in Gaza was caused by the Oct 7 attack. Please tell me how the IDF could fight the Hamas terrorists embedded in a very populated area without killing of civilians? Give me an example of an urban warfare where innocents lives are not lost. Somehow the world expects the IDF to be “Marvel comic level” fighters and kill only Hamas.
Hamas supporters are quick to call out Israel for war crimes and genocide. They seem to forget what happen on Oct 7.
You spout endless evil, Tim. I hope you aren’t sleeping well at night. The lonely, dark wee hours of the morning are an excellent time to examine your conscience and question your dedication to complicity in genocide.
Well said.
Hamas and all Palestinians have the right to resist their occupier. The occupier has no right to self defense. You sound like a NAZI.
Have you mentioned that to the Russian army?
NO why would i? The exact same argument i make for Gaza and the Palestinian people, i make for Donbass and the ethnic Russian people.
Donbass and all ethnic Russians have the right to resist their occupier. The occupier has no right to self defense.
The Russian army is simply defending the ethnic Russian populations from mass murder by literal NAZI’s. The stated aims of the SMO are De-occupation of the Donbass and Denazification of Ukraine.
btw it would be the same argument i would of made to defend the people resisting the holocaust during WW2. These people were not terrorists as you would label them now.
“NO why would i?”
Because the Russian army is an occupation force in a country other than its own. By your logic, Russian soldiers have precisely zero right to self-defense.
I though you were anti-statist? You’re just repeating the U.S. establishment position.
I am anti-statist.
I’m just noticing reality instead of attempting to exempt one, and only one, state (the Russian Federation) from my anti-statism for purposes of justifying the unjustifiable (war).
Then your statement makes no sense. Either you don’t understand what’s going on, you’re just buying the U.S. propaganda, or you’re not really anti-statist. As Doom said, “The Russian army is simply defending the ethnic Russian populations from mass murder by literal NAZI’s.” Russia was invited to help by the ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine. If you’re anti-statist, you shouldn’t care which country it is.
It is there by invitation. Something we are not nearly everywhere.
The Russian army is simply defending the ethnic Russian populations from mass murder by literal NAZI’s. The stated aims of the SMO are De-occupation of the Donbass and De-Nazification of Ukraine. You know this, i have told you many times.
Obama planned the ethnic cleansing of the Donbass prior to his coup. Obama needed to remove 6 million ethnic Russians from voting so his NAZI regime could stay in power. Its not that Obama wanted to kill them all if they fled to Russia it achieved the same goal.
Again you blame the victims for the many many crimes against humanity committed against them.
No, I just blame warmongers like you for fraudulently portraying yourselves as anti-war.
Wait a minute Thomas. It’s the Ukraine Nazis who attacked the Donbas, not Russia. Why are you obsessed with Russia here?
The Ukrainian regime and the Russian-backed separatists happily shelled and murdered in the Donbas for eight years — but that had dropped off to nearly zero by 2022. The Russians invaded because their proxy war had failed and peace was breaking out.
Should the Ukrainian regime have just let Donetsk and Luhansk go in the first place? Absolutely. They’re exactly as responsible for their warmongering as the Russians are.
The Donbass beat down the Nazi’s twice which lead to Minsk1 and Minsk2 peace agreements. In all cases it was the Ukrainian Nazi’s who were the aggressor.
They constantly shelled civilian cities for 8 years killing an estimated 15,000 woman, elderly and children.
Nowhere near the 500,000 children that Madeline Albright boasted of killing.
“They constantly shelled civilian cities for 8 years killing an estimated 15,000 woman, elderly and children.”
More like 14,000, most of whom were Ukrainian, separatist, and Russian troops, not civilian non-combatants.
There were no Russian troops in the Donbass, NATO could never provide evidence of that statement. I watched the camera footage in 2014 of the Donbass defense of the Airport…….Givi and Motorola absolute heroes who had no military background till Ukraine Nazi’s attacked them.
The war started in 2014 when Obama overthrew the legitimate government in Ukraine and placed literal Nazi in power. The warmonger is Obama. The war is a western construct.
You can blame me and accuse me of what ever you like, it doesn’t change the truth, it just means you are ignorant of it. I get your cognitive dissonance cant accept the truth so you rage at me in what is just stupid ignorant rants.
Obama is responsible for this war and his methods are a stain on the West, its beyond despicable.
The fact that the majority of people side with Hamas does not surprise me. That’s the default position of most people. I wonder how the US, the UK, or France, never mind China, Russia, or any Arab country would respond to the slaughter of 1400 innocent civilians including babies, young girls and the elderly. No need to answer. It’s a rhetorical question.
Well lets see how the world reacts to the 20,00- 100,000 murders Israel is currently in the process of.
Hamas and all Palestinians have the right to resist their occupier. The occupier has no right to self defense.
Donbass and all ethnic Russians have the right to resist their occupier. The occupier has no right to self defense.
Blaming the victims for the many many crimes against humanity committed against them is fascist.
“Donbass and all ethnic Russians have the right to resist their occupier. The occupier has no right to self defense.”
And their occupier, at the moment, is the Russian army.
“And their occupier, at the moment, is the Russian army.”
Really silly. 🙄
Their liberator is the Russian Army.. Maybe it will be ours too. 🇷🇺
Thats just a silly statement, The Donbass voted 96% to join the Russian Federation. The Donbass has requested Russian assistance for a decade. Its just a statement of pure nonsense.
But you know you hold on to your racism and bigotry i am sure it has served you well.
I have no idea what race you might happen to be. But yes, I am bigoted against warmongers like you.
And by resist their “occupier” you mean babies, toddlers, young girls and the elderly. By “resist”, you mean torture, rape and mutilation. I think we know where you stand on “humanity”
Hamas and all Palestinians have the right to resist their occupier. The occupier has no right to self defense.
We certainly know where you stand…
Touche.
Israel has had 2 and a half million hostages for 30 years or more. Do not be fooled by the MSM or the Israeli mouthpiece AIPAC.
Hi Odele:
This can be a highly charged subject for many. The issues involved, in terms of peoples feelings and emotions, can be complex and difficult to deal with, yet, it is essential, for all our sakes and also in an effort to try and not only resolve some of the difficult questions many of us have but most importantly to make sure, it does not continue going forward.
Man’s inhumanity towards man (human beings), is nothing new, unfortunately, yet we must proceed in this process of gaining information, bringing it to light and sharing it with as many as possible, so that we can try and change the horrible direction we are heading in…
Agree 100 percent with the need to stop the future killings. Got any ideas?
Yes switch from Capitalism to Socialism and nationalize some of our predatory corporations like Pharma and HMOs and eliminate fossil fuels as well as banning automatic weapons for starters. I am sure that Hedges,Chomsky,Sachs and other fine minds could find more things wrong with America including White Supremacy.
I vividly remember the scene in 2001 where the ape picked up and old bone and killed another ape probably over territory. I know it was only a movie but have we really advanced that much.
“Odele/Jake” doesn’t give a rats ass about moving forward.
The UN, UNRWA, Red Cross, and other onsite humanitarian agencies who’ve worked with the Gaza’s Ministry of Health over the years of occupation have found the Ministry’s numbers reliable, more reliable than Israel’s and your doubt is based on Biden’s ramblings?
Please define your definition of “many.” There are 1M Palestinians remaining in Gaza and 40K Hamas “terrorists.” The odds of killing a terrorist vs. a civilian are 1 in 250k. NTM the “terrorists” occupy the tunnels.
With 248 (approx) hostages “many thousands” can not have been killed, your argument is illogical. International law defines the responsibility for civilian deaths in war, Israel makes relevant legal arguments for their acts, but bombing a hospital to get to a Hamas leader believed to be 500 feet underground is not one that will hold up in court. But then Israel doesn’t expect to face an ICC court and of that, sadly, the odds are in their favor.
The hostages I refer to are the people of Gaza. Furthermore, Israel has not bombed a hospital. That was Islamic Jihad. They will get at Shifa hospital but it won’t be through bombing. They are clearing cilvilians, offering them safe passage to the south and protecting them from Hamas who have tried to kill them in order to prevent this.
By definition the residents of Gaza are not hostages, Odele, let’s not make the complexity and contradictions of war even more so.
Without an independent forensic investigation we don’t know who bombed the Al Ahli Arab Hospital on 10/18. Since, reports are Israel’s bombed both near and the infrastructure of hospitals. https://www.npr.org/2023/11/07/1211133698/gaza-hospitals-airstrikes-israel-hamas-war
Israel’s offering “passage to the south,”but given they’re bombing the south passage is not safe.
What evidence do you have that Hamas is killing Palestinian civilians?
Another paid apologist for genocide. Sad excuse for a human being.
Hi “Jake” … Trying a different handle now ? Zionist hate-mongering is still hate even if you change your name.
Right back atcha “Adolf”
Busted ! 😅
Hamas and all Palestinians have the right to resist their occupier. Hamas is simply responding to the gross human rights violations, supreme international crimes committed against the Palestinians in Gaza. You call them terrorists (modern term equivalent to subhuman, human animals) i call them freedom fighters. You blame the victims for the gross human rights violations, the supreme international crimes committed against them. Thats Fascist.
The same arguments used against the Palestinians were of course used by the Nazi’s as they exterminated 6 million human beings. And now you play the Nazi card and want the Palestinians exterminated.
If you were alive in 1940’s you of course would be speaking in support of the holocaust as you are now. When we act brutally against ethnic populations they have no right to resistance? Is that what you are telling us? Because you know these people are terrorists subhuman animals right? You sound just like a NAZI, not your fault though this is how all westerners sound.
Had this been an assault on an army base, my position would be much more difficult to defend. Unfortunately, they slaughtered innocent babies, woman, old people with glee. We have their go pros to prove it
You mean like Israel does almost daily? It’s not Hamas you should be focused on here.
Did you know that Hamas is funded by Israel? There’s a 2019 video of Netanyahu urging fellow Israelis to support his funding of Hamas so they could divide the Palestinians. I think you’re either prejudice against the Palestinians, or you really don’t know what’s going on here.
Are you talking about the Israelis ?
Evidence from eye witnesses and released hostages indicates otherwise. Evidence now suggests that the IDF killed more Israeli hostages that day than Hamas.
Hamas and all Palestinians have the right to resist their occupier.
Israel holds 5000 Palestinian people as hostages, beaten and taken for simply being Palestinian. You are fine with that right? Hamas has stated that the hostages taken are in response to the 5000 hostages taken by Israel.
To what evidence from released hostages do you refer?
I remember when Madeline Albright said the death of 500,000 children was worth it. Hypocrisy is astounding. Arrest them all.
Just go fot it, The most irreparable of all irreparable damages to US standing the worlld. No money can fix that. All attempts of bribing Egypt faiked spectaculsrly. All the pressures on variouss countries resulted in withdrawal of ambassadors. The most ill judged pressure by special interests has only highlighted the already negative perceptions about the influence peddling in Washington. It is to be entirely tone deaf to miss the global implicstions. It is not that people forgot October 7. But as it became obviious that Israel intends to kill or expel those “human anumals”, as Israeli Secence Minister put it — that everyone understood the cold blooded calculation.
Ukraine started the change in attitudes, as many refused to be dragged into this UsS/EU engineered war. Gaza sealed the trend by touching the raw nerve of colonial experiences of many around the globe. Short of giving Gaza independence, nothing this mora depravity. Perhaps not even that. I do not understsnd the lack of comprehension.
But we’re still gonna fund it!
Election’s coming up ……
https://popularresistance-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/2023/11/lesser-evil-voting.png
Good one. Now they should update the cartoon to represent the ages of our likely candidates.
Who do you think will stop this?
The person downvoting obviously has no response.
No one who is a US citizen in sight, so far…
Laws are only as effective as the most powerful allow them to be. When the most powerful ignore laws, there is nothing anyone can do about it. Power trumps law every time. That’s the law of the jungle, and we are all living in the jungle.
But But the EU told us we are a garden, and all the rest are a jungle………The Western world is lawless racist bigoted and despicable.
Biden: Don’t we have any more guns and missiles we can sell them? Vote this Mk#%#%#er out.
One of those things AIPAC makes the US turn a blind eye to. Blinken says Israel will NOT reoccupy Gaza. I will bet my family jewels that he changes his mind and gives a green light to this as well when AIPAC gets it’s away again.
Think of all the things our government does in our name with our tax dollars that we dont approve of. The world will soon hold us accountable for the last 50 years let alone this ME debacle. And we wont be able to feign ignorance like the Germans, we been running our mouths on the internet the last 20 years!
This country is not exceptional and has never been the shining city on a hill.
Cannot find the link now but I noted a report that the us was asking Israel to drop smaller bombs (sic).
Found note from NYT:
Scroll down: https://consortiumnews.com/2023/11/06/us-thinks-its-powerless-to-stop-gaza-genocide/
Found on X (or TAFKAT- The App Formerly Known As Twitter):
“Since the Jews are from Israel (according to them), they were foreigners when they were in Germany [prior to the Shoah]. So by Zionist logic Germany had a right to kick them out and take their houses. Hitler asked them to leave and they refused. So, again according to Zionist logic, what Hitler did was actually very humane. He relocated them to camps instead of just bombing them.”
On a related note:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement
Caitlin Johnstone:
It’s highly ironic. But she is wrong in thinking there is a contradiction; she still doesn’t understand the twin agenda. The media bosses want mass immigration and censorship of those who object in WHITE countries, but racial supremacism for Israel. There is no contradiction, both policies serve the same goal.
The Hannibal Directive (Hebrew: נוהל חניבעל) (or “Procedure” or “Protocol”) is a controversial procedure used by Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) to prevent the capture of Israeli soldiers by enemy forces.
The directive called for the murder of Israeli soldiers who surrender or are captured.
Some heavy sh-t Doom, for sure…