Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu envisions Israel taking “overall security responsibility” for the Gaza Strip indefinitely if the Israeli war to destroy Hamas is successful, the Israeli leader said in an interview with ABC News that aired late Monday.
“I think Israel will, for an indefinite period will have the overall security responsibility because we’ve seen what happens when we don’t have it. When we don’t have that security responsibility, what we have is the eruption of Hamas terror on a scale that we couldn’t imagine,” Netanyahu said.
When asked if the US would support Netanyahu’s vision, which would have to be achieved by an Israeli occupation, White House National Security Council spokesman John Kirby said the issue of the enclave’s future was being discussed. “What we support is that Hamas can’t be in control of Gaza anymore. We can’t go back to October 6,” he said.
“We are having conversations with our Israeli counterparts about what governance in Gaza should look like post-conflict, and I don’t believe that any solutions have been settled upon one way or the other,” Kirby added.
US officials have previously said they don’t want Israel to occupy Gaza after the war, but President Biden has put no conditions on his full-throated support for Israel’s brutal campaign, which has killed over 10,000 Palestinians so far. Bloomberg recently reported that one idea the US and Israel are considering is deploying a multinational force to a post-war Gaza that would include US and other Western troops.
A leaked document drafted by Israel’s Intelligence Ministry revealed that the Netanyahu government is considering cleansing Gaza of its approximately 2.3 million Palestinian residents by pushing them into Egypt, a plan that is strongly opposed by Cairo.
The New York Times reported Sunday that Israel has been quietly pushing other governments to support the idea of transferring hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from Gaza into Egypt. The Israelis are claiming the measure would just be temporary and that the Palestinians would be allowed back into Gaza, but the idea has so far been rejected over concerns that the expulsion would be permanent.
I was the first to comment, but it appears my pro-Palestinian post was censored by being deleted. If the moderating crew could kindly post a list of the words or terms we are not allowed to use in our comments it would be a great help. Thank you!
You have no deleted posts.
There are, generally speaking no “terms you are not allowed to use in your comments.” There are terms that might get them held to be looked at by a human, and posting a list of them would just mean those who want to try to avoid moderation would replace letters with numbers, etc.
Sure; direct Israeli occupation will “work”. Like it did from 1967 until 2005; or as it has “worked” in the West Bank.
Israel’s proposal is pure nonsense; if they want to “relocate” Gazans “temporarily”, then relocate them into Israeli territory, in the Negev, where ISRAEL can assume responsibility for feeding and housing them. They are NOT Egypt’s responsibility.
Egyptians can take care of their own brethren,just as Israel took refugees from throughout the world.
Palestinians have no business being evicted into Egypt; Gaza belongs to them; if Irael evicts them by force, then Israel needs to care for them. Stop making this anyone other than Israel’s responsibility. Israel has done this since 1947, evicting Palestinians from their own land, as provided under the UN partition plan, chasing them into Jordan and Syria and packing them into Gaza, refusing to allow them to return and claiming it’s not their problem. It IS their problem.
2.3 million people in a land that is 25 miles long (length of a marathon), 5 miles wide. If that was not bad enough, settlers have harassed them,with IDF as cover, bulldozed down homes, raids in the middle of night, using Palestinians in Gaza for target practice The U.S. has no backbone. We can stop this nonsense. So much fear of Zionist Fascists and AIPAC prevents it. But wait, we have basses in Israel from which we could launch attacks, even against, gasp, Iran. Israel is us and we are them.
And your mom can take care of you while you are living in her basement.
Nor are they Israel responsibility. And that is the fundamental problem. Neither Israel or the Arabs countries want them.
They are Israeli responsibility under the “you break it you bought it” principle which US understood when US invaded Iraq. Israel controls literally everything that enters (and more importantly does not enter) Gaza by sea, land, and air apart from the gateway to Sinai. It covets the land, but holds the people in contempt and has been working on separating them by hook or by crook.
What responsibility Israel may have had, if any, ended on Oct 7.
Responsibility in the M.E. NEVER ENDS………………………………………..
What nebulous moral standing Israel may have had all ended October 8.
Well said.
No one wanted the persecuted in central Europe during the 30’s either, no one wanted them. Did that also give the persecutors justification?
To answer your question, of course not.
Except they are “Israel’s problem”. Gaza is Palestinian, period; if Israel invades, Israel assumes responsibility for the civilian population; if Israel evicts them then Israel is guilty of war crimes – ethnic cleansing, at the very least. Israel CAUSED this problem, over 75 years of policy and actions. They don’t get a free pass because the problem is “bad”.
“if Israel invades, Israel assumes responsibility for the civilian population” And once they leave is it still Israel responsibility? And you like to mention 75 years ago. In 1948 Egypt invaded the Gaza area. So if you want to go back 75 years, then it is Egypt problem.
Wrong; it WOULD be Egypt’s problem, if in both 1957 and again in 1967 Israel didn’t invade Gaza and throw the Egyptian Army out; and after 1967 occupy it themselves. And Israel shows no intention of “leaving”; reread the story on which you are commenting. What Israel WANTS is to occupy an ethnically cleansed Gaza, with the Palestinians (the rightful owners) evicted into the desert, and for someone else to care for them while Israel absorbs Gaza into “greater Israel”, something they have WANTED to do since before partition. I don’t think even the USA is so jaded and corrupt as to allow that to happen.
So we can eliminate the 75 years ago time line. Since Israel pulled its troops out and removed its citizen in 2005, their responsibilities is over with.
But it so typical of the Palestinians always wanting someone else to take care of them. In the 1948 they had chance to start a new nation, but instead just sat back and waited for the Arabs armies to wipe out Israel. Which did not happen. And when Jordan tock the West Bank from them, they did nothing.
An in 2005 they had a chance to show the world what the could do in Gaza under self rule. Instead of building toward a nation, they allowed Hamas to run their lives and build a war machine instead of a nation. Then when Hamas decided to burn down the slow but steady Middle East peace progress, they now want the world to take care of them. And your claim that Israel is responsible for the people of Gaza, no they are not.
And your claim that Israel wants to push them out of Gaza, tell me why they did not do that in 1967 or 1973 during those wars?
That’s absurd. Israel simply went from a close occupation of Gaza to a more remote one; still controlling and blockading Gaza’s airspace, seacoast and land borders, regularly shooting at anyone violating Israel’s “rules” – which, if Israel had really left Gaza, would have no standing.
And “HAMAS”, as is now coming out, was as much an Israeli creation as a palestinian one, cynically funded and supported by the Israelis as a way to split palestinian support from Fatah; so the palestinians are hardly the only ones to blame there.
MEANWHILE, in the west bank, Israel allows the terrorist thugs calling themselves “settlers” to attack palestinians, steal their land, desecrate their holy sites, and terrorize the population, and if the palestinians try to defend themselves against those bearded parasitic fucks, the IDF cracks down, bombs and shoots them, then bulldozes their houses and gives the now “vacant” land to the settlers.
And it’s not my “claim” that Israel wants to “push the palestinians out of Gaza”; the Israeli government THEMSELVES have proposed it; and that has been ONGOING since 1947 – where, if you bother to look at the 1947 partition plan map, you will see that a contiguous landspace for “Gaza” was more than 3 times the size it is now. Israel took the rest, driving the refugees into what little is left of Gaza; and now, seemingly want to finish the job. THEIR words, not “mine”.
If people wear bear beards as a symbol of faith,you resent it.
I “resent” nothing; simply describing what the parasitic thugs causing the trouble in the west bank look like. Do they NOT “wear beards”? And “faith” is the LAST thing they symbolize; they are as fanatically obsessed and depraved as the jihadist lunatics are; both sides deserve each other.
Ignorant jackass
The ICC in 2004 has ruled on the right of defence…… Occupiers have no right of defense, they are the aggressor.
ARF
f*ck off…………
Meanwhile,I’m right and right back at you.
ARF is such an articulate and nuanced argument. Arf, I say! Arf!
I would suggest that is not the best approach vlp… He seems to enjoy combativeness, which should not surprise any of us.
I offer a very rational,wiser, alternative view of the situation.
In your own tiny mind… But hey, whatever pays for your video games and drugs…
kiss it.
Why do you come to antiwar.com Jake? Do you enjoy our company and our antiwar positions? What do you glean from being in our company?
He gets paid. Sociopathic little shit.
ICJ, not ICC, but yes.
Let Iran and Saudi Arabia feed them.It is not my responsibility to freed the masses swarming across our southern border.
How is it Iran, or Saudi Arabia’s responsibility? Do you seriously advocate the continued theft of what little is left of palestinian land, and the eviction of its residents? If yes, you are no different from the fanatics on the other side who want to do the same to Israel.
“Jake” is a paid Israeli troll.
In seriousness, I suspected that; I actually asked him if he was part of the Israeli “Hasbara” program. Of course, I received no answer.
I have a feeling that you avoid all responsibility for everything. Pampered little child. 😂
“I think Israel will, for an indefinite period will have the overall security responsibility because we’ve seen what happens when we don’t have it. When we don’t have that security responsibility, what we have is the eruption of Hamas terror on a scale that we couldn’t imagine,” Netanyahu said.
Netanyahu also said: “Those who want to thwart the possibility of a Palestinian state should support the strengthening of Hamas and the transfer of money to Hamas. This is part of our strategy.”
So, he didn’t think strengthening them would make them more likely to do a terror attack? Couldn’t even imagine that? So, all the previous talk about Hamas as terrorists and the previous skirmishes were just staged?
That was March, 2019 at a Likud party meeting. Note the rest of that second sentence:
To be honest I hadn’t seen that. I must have copied a partial version.
Wishful Thinking…!
And a stupid idea. The good news is that Netanyahu will be kick out of power once this war is ended.
Who do you think might replace him?… When do you think the war ‘might’ end and how?
I have no idea who is gong to replace him. The war will end when the hostages are accounted for. And hopefully most them will be alive. If not, that will be very bad.
Kirby: “What we support is that Hamas can’t be in control of Gaza anymore. We can’t go back to October 6”
And the royal “we” have a say in this because …?
Fantastic! Make them all (and may as well include the W bank too) full and equal Israeli citizens and all will be great.
“Fantastic! Make them all (and may as well include the W bank too) full and equal Israeli citizens and all will be great.” LOL.
PEACE. Solidarity, equality, human rights of ALL people…………………………
I agree. And that is worldwide. A great example is Taiwan. That island has the right to be fee and independent of China.
What about America’s “One China” policy?
That bad policy, that should be changed. The people of Taiwan should have the right of self determination free of the demands of China or the USA. If Taiwan would want to join China, than the USA should step a side. If they want to be a nation, they should be free to do so regardless of China feelings. In late 1940s, the USA allowed Philippines to became a free nation after 48 years of US rule. The USA did not hang on to it and force the people live under US rule.
Big mistake by Israel. Get the hostages back, seal the border between Israel and Gaza, stop the sea blockade and be done with Gaza. If Gaza is dumb enough to fire rockets at Israel towns, than bomb Gaza until they stop shooting rockets.
But staying in Gaza, not a good idea.
Hi Tim:
Do you haven suggestions for PEACE?….
I do. Stop the blockade of Gaza. Allow them to trade via Egypt and the sea. Seal the border with Israel. Allow the people of Gaza to become their own nation free of outside influence. Then it is up to them if want to have peace with Israel. Now if they choose to attack Israel, well than we would know where they stand and Israel would be free to bomb them at will.
Of course this is not possible until the war ends, and that will not happen until the hostages are released.
I don’t know if it will work, but I think it is worth a try. I do think the idea of Israel taking over Gaza again is a bad idea.
How do we try and achieve long term, sustainable peace? Something that all sides can possibly agree on?….My concern is that until we can achieve such a peace, that nuclear proliferation will continue to spread, to such a degree that someone is bound to, perhaps, possibly use them…
Israel needs the cheap labor from Gaza.
No they do not. It was good relationship for each side, but that cheap labor allowed Hamas to spy on Israel. That is how Hamas knew the weak points. There are other sources of inexpensive labor that does not put Israel security on the line. For example, Thailand.
They will import cheap labor from Asia or Africa.Gazans desperately need the work themselves-they won’t get any/
But keep the world’s largest concentration camp going ?
My wife was surfing the TV stations and hit the Newsmax show. There was the new nightmare, Mr. Johnson, the Speaker of the House at a “vigil for Israel”. No moral values at all. Just lapping up the AIPAC dough.
I’m not a fan of Johnson. This is the best the GOP could come up with?
I feel just as much sorrow for the plight of the Israeli’s as i did for the plight of the Nazi’s.
All while all this talk is going on, the fact remains that Israel is dropping bombs on women and children. As question I want to put to any of Israel’s spokespersons: If it were discovered- or even suspected- that Hamas were occupying tunnels underneath Tel Aviv or Haifa or some other built-up area in Israel, would the IDF be dropping bombs with such zeal or shutting off water and electricity and all communications from those areas? Would the IDF be dropping bombs on the areas the Israeli citizens were told to evacuate to? Would Israeli hospitals be bombed on suspicion of being a Hamas ‘command center’? I think the answer to all of those is NO, which proves the lie of Israeli ‘humanitarian’ efforts to reduce civilian casualties in Gaza. Gazan citizens are to the Israelis as Jews and other ‘undesirables’ were to the Nazis during the Holocaust.
Excellent post, John!
That is a stupid question. You are asking if the IDF would attack its own citizens. Of course not. Now enemy combatants hiding using human shields that is a different story.
That is a stupid question: because it’s not the question he raised, but the one you’ve replaced it with. Read it again. If Hamas had tunnels underneath identical structures in Israel, would Israel bomb those structures? Not only is this not a stupid question–it’s not impossible. If they dug deep enough and tread carefully enough, they could well have done so.
Digging a tunnel to Tel Aviv from Gaza!!! Yea right. That is long way. It has been reported that Hamas using used electric or pneumatic jackhammers digs a tunnel at a rate 5 meters per day. The distance from Gaza to Tel Aviv is 71 Km. So 71,000 meters divide by 5 is 14,200 days or approximately 39 years. And that is only the time problem. How does want provide air for that distance? So no it is not possible. And Haifa is twice as far away.
I hate to break it to you, but there have been thousands of Palestinian/Gazan construction workers all over Israel for decades. They’ve had access to the tools and have the knowledge to get things done under the radar. There is no need to dig a tunnel from Gaza to TA or anywhere, not when they can do it on-site and branch out from there.
These were people trying to earn a modest living, not kill people-they were under supervision to to what ever jobs they were paid to do.
As usually, you like to dodge the more intelligent question.
What was the more intelligent question? If one asking if the IDF would bomb its own citizen, that is not a very intelligent question. So what am I missing?
Hannibal doctrine.
This: from Scheerpost.com: https://scheerpost.com/2023/11/07/norman-finkelstein-responds-to-bernie-sanders/
Except, the Nazis encountered someone who could fight back. The brave godsped IDF ‘fighting’ defenseless children etc.
The fact remains that Hamas and Hezboallah are obeying their Iranian masters and firing rockets ant Israel. Yes-right now.
Zelenski in Ukraine has cancelled elections, Ukraine is now a dictatorship. Remember when we were told we need to support the Nazi’s in Ukraine because of freedom and democracy. ITS ALL JUST BIG LIES AFTER BIG LIES.
On the same day of this announcement Zelenski may have attempted to assassinate Zaluzhnyi who was intending to run for President in opposition to Zelenski. Zaluzhnyi’s aide however was murdered in the terrorist attack, we do not know for sure who ordered it.
And this has what to do with Gaza?
“Blackbirds singing in the dead of night, take these broken wings and learn to fly”….
That was Netanyahu’s plan, from day one, when his coalition government with religious fanatics came into power in last December, i.e. take over the Gaza Strip and its off-shore natural gas reserves.
The US Biden administration in not only an accomplice to mass murder but also to robbery.