Gaza’s Health Ministry said Monday that, after 31 days of relentless Israeli airstrikes, the death toll in the besieged enclave has surpassed 10,000, a total that includes over 4,000 children.
The US has cast doubt on the accuracy of the numbers coming from Gaza’s Health Ministry, but UN officials have said they believe the real death toll is significantly higher since it doesn’t include people stuck under rubble. The UN said Monday that about 2,260 people, including 1,270 children, are reported missing in the enclave, with most presumed to be trapped under the rubble.
The Israeli newspaper Yediot Ahronot cited an Israeli security source who put the death toll much higher. The official claimed the Israeli military had killed 20,000 Palestinians in its onslaught, but so far, the number has not been backed up by another source.
UN Secretary-General António Guterres on Monday called for an end to the onslaught on Gaza, saying the enclave has become a graveyard for children. “We must act now to find a way out of this brutal, awful, agonizing dead end of destruction,” he said.
“Gaza is becoming a graveyard for children. Hundreds of girls and boys are reportedly being killed or injured every day,” Guterres said.
The massive death toll and slaughter of children have not impacted US support for Israel’s campaign. US officials are paying lip service to the idea of limiting civilian casualties, but the Biden administration refuses to condition military aid.
The Washington Post reported on Sunday that the US is not conditioning military aid or using other leverage it has over Israel because it “would be so politically unpopular in any administration and partly because, aides say, Biden himself has a personal attachment to Israel.”
Outrageous! Outbloodyrageous!
Yep, and that is exactly what Hamas wants. They started this war on Oct 7 knowing full well that many Palestinians would die in the counter attack. How many more will have to die for the Hamas cause? And for what? To make Israel look bad. What good will that do in the long run?
Israel needs no help to “look bad.” There is no worse look possible or even imaginable than all who are willing to see can see right now.
What good can come of the people of the world seeing, through the lens of this horror show, who the leaders of Israel really are and what Israel really is? Hopefully, support for the apartheid-settler colonial ethnocracy will diminish as the deplorable truth becomes more evident every day. That, indeed, is exactly what is happening already.
Reflect on that, genocidaire.
I agree. No question “Israel needs no help to ‘look bad.'” The question is how bad and for how long? The answer depends on how many Palestinians they kill? It’s not a problem for Israel. It’s an opportunity. Israel has certainly looked bad in the past. But because they kill Palestinians, we seem to easily forget.
They stole Nuclear Technology from the US. Got Uranium from South Africa. They bombed a US warship. Some people think that Mossad was involved with 911 to get the US involved. With friends like this who needs enemys?
We actually don’t need enemies. We want enemies, even if they wanted to be friends. Russia and China are good examples and now they don’t want to be our friends ever again. Israel was never ever our friend. Unless we think a tick, which sucks our blood and gives us death, is our good friend.
A very strong ending statement which is true.
Enemies = More profits for the MIC
Peace = Less profits for the MIC
It is just a matter of math. Not of human lives. Just the math of money.
So they got Uranium form S.Africa-big deal.Millions of women throughout the world are wearing diamonds from S.Africa. If some people think the world is made of green cheese-big deal. OWN OWN OWN.
It is a problem for Israel. It has never looked this bad to the world at large, partly because modern communications technology allows the world to see in unprecedented ways. Most of the world is horrified by its genocidal slaughter in Gaza and further outraged (if that’s even possible) by its refusal to heed the calls and demands that it stop. At the moment Israelis are mostly in a frenzy of bloodlust, unconcerned about the world’s reaction, but eventually it will be impossible to ignore and the consequences of conducting a holocaust, live-streamed around the globe, will be realized and experienced.
Many — I suspect most — populations and their governments will remember this Second Nakba for a long time and that will impact Israel’s status and relationships for a long time. In the Middle East and in Muslim cultures everywhere, fury and, for more than a few, commitment to vengeance are growing every day and will likely persist for generations.
Americans, many of them, probably will forget. Americans are really good at forgetting. Around the world, there will be a great deal of remembering.
Agreed. Do you think having Satanyahu as their Prime Genocide Minister helps Israel? When I look into his eyes, he has that inhumane predator coldness in his eyes almost as eerie as Hilary’s. They are both totally hollow in the background, in terms of having a soul. But since most of us like him (and her), I maybe in the minority to have that opinion. I wonder how the rest of the world perceive him? Or, is it because he speaks American? …$hit, I don’t know.
Americans are experts at forgetting the governments atrocities. You just need to send them to a sporting event like the NFL, where they can dress up like sports warriors and cheer for the home team, if they don’t win it’s shame, cause one, two, three wars we’ve got, and we ain’t done yet!
Gore Vidal: The United States of Amnesia.
One of the things that is never to be found in discussions of this sort, and is consequently never considered, is the possibility that the many millions of Arabs — 460 million — and the 1.5 billion Muslim Ummah, exposed for the first time in history, to see with their own eyes, the brutality of Israeli mass murder, will decide they’ve had enough, and mobilize, attack and defeat Israel.
The idea of a comprehensive Israeli defeat, and Israel thus “passing from the pages of history” is almost completely nonexistent in anyone’s “thought stream” … surely because it is never to be found/considered/uttered anywhere in the media.
I have long been of the opinion that considering the unrelenting violence of Israel in the region and the subversive activities of its diaspora “cadres” around the world, that there would at some point be an “explosion and breakout of awareness” and Israel would cease to exist.
The pattern of history strongly suggests this “ending to the story”.
As Dissident51 above points out, this progression to the final chapter of the Zionist project is now being rapidly accelerated by the modern communications technology that brings the horror of Israeli mass murder into the view of the entire world … in real time.
Nothing is certain. In the past, the nations of the world might fust about, and in outraged tones might condemn, but in the end would shrink away from taking any decisive action. No doubt because they feared the dire consequences of taking any action. This time however they might feel some “safety in numbers”.
In any event, whether this time or the next, it is hard to imagine that Israel will in the end escape destruction.
At least it’s fairly likely that the days of a settler-colonialist, apartheid ethnocracy are numbered, whatever the number may be. Time probably would have been up before now if not for US support, i.e. threats to Israel’s regional neighbors.
Israel has those pesky Nukes and probably the will to use them.
Their first use will be on Iran. Perhaps that may bring in Russia and China.
Which will drag us into it. We have military bases in Israel.
The Arab ganging up idea is not new. It was tried three times in the past, 1948, 1967 and 1973.
The mistake your making is assuming that millions of Arabs care about the Palestinians, they don’t. As King of Jordan said, don’t send them to me.
The second mistake your are making is assuming the Arabs are willing to die to destroyed Israel. They are not. Israel smartly anticipated your idea and became a significant nuclear power a long time ago.
Sorry, anti-Semitics have been dreaming of Israel destruction for 75 years.
I believe the worm is turning. The operative question is will it be enough or happen soon enough to prevent a major{Nuclear Power} intervention?
Or a modern Sarajevo Moment that triggers an imbecilic mass charge to disaster.
D51 you are close to saying something that is realistic.
https://scheerpost.com/2023/11/06/were-a-war-machine-as-a-nation-the-truth-about-american-politics/ This is as good an explanation of where we may be going as any. Pray.
Somehow praying to a God who no one has ever seen is not going to solve our problems.
Support for Israel will wane but it will come back in time. In meantime, thanks to Hamas’s strategy. 1000s Palestinians will die. This was Hamas plan all along, I don’t know how anyone can support a plan for exchanging civilians lives to get good PR, but you do.
I don’t know how anyone can support a plan for exchanging civilians lives to get good PR, but you do.
Not only good PR but a $14.3 billion aid package. Israel allowing the Hamas attack to happen did exactly that.
$14.3 billion aid package… With that kind of boondoggle at stake – the hostages never had a chance.
I’m not supporting anyone’s plan here. I’m condemning Israel’s execution of its plans for ethnic cleansing and genocide.
Do not discount the inside influence of Mossad. With their listening technology, our listening technology (at least three facilities in the area), known insertion of Mossad agents into Gaza, and, perhaps within Hamas, how could Israel and the U.S. “blunder”, to allow the attack? Hmm?
Or, during the last 16 years of concentration camp existence.
That reasoning is deprived of human conscious. Do you also go blasting inside an entire school just to hunt down one or two killers then blame the killers for your atrocities?
In the Zionist world it’s the victims who are always to blame.
Hamas caused all this with their Oct 7 attack. No attack, no bombing.
No Nakba, no Oct. 7.
No attack by three Arab armies in 1948, no Nakba.
three Arab armies
Palestine wasn’t one of them… Give them back their land.
Then shove off.
Netanyahu: “Those who want to thwart the possibility of a Palestinian state should support the strengthening of Hamas and the transfer of money to Hamas. This is part of our strategy.”
Your history only goes back to Oct. 7th of this year. Conveniently.
Oct 7 is an inflection point in the time line. Regardless of what came before Oct 7, the attack on Oct 7 started this war. That is undisputable. No attack, no massive bombing and 10,000 plus people on both sides would be alive.
What’s indisputable is no Israel, no problem. It was they who killed hundreds of their own people just to get at a few Hamas fighters who stood their ground on their land. That’s what happened on Oct. 7th and that’s what’s happening right now as the IDF sacrifices their own people on the alter of genocide. A new holocaust is born.
Bullshit. That is flat ass ridiculous.
The British the Zionists and the US caused this with 100 years of criminal brutality against the people who were living there in peace with each other up until the invasion of the Zionists.
Your desire to blame Hamas, and the Palestinians cannot withstand the record of history.
“invasion of Zionists” Well maybe the rich Arabs living in Palestine should have not been in a hurry to get richer by selling a substantial amount of land to the Zionists a 100 years ago.
The record of history shows that 750,000 Jews were evicted from their homes and accepted by Israel.The record shows that the Arab world kept their own brethren-refugee Palestinians, in camps. The record shows millions of Arab Palestinians are citizens of Israel,virtually Jews are now citizens in the Arab world.
You first sentence is correct. Hamas reasoning is deprived of human conscious. You last sentence has nothing to do with the reality of this war.
The ground invasion to root out Hamas might be considered a war, despite the imbalance of forces.
The aerial bombardment of innocent civilians is not a war, it is criminal mass murder engaged in out of desperation, humiliation and a savage lust for revenge, for which there is zero justification.
As Thucydides said so long ago, “The strong do as they will, the week suffer as they must.” The Zionists/Israelis were once strong and the Palestinians weak. Now the Israelis are not so strong. At some point the Arabs will “do as they wish” and the Israelis will “ suffer as they must”.
If Hamas military was not hiding with the civilians the bombing would not occur. Here is a simple fact of war. No army will risk their own troops to save the enemy civilians. It just does not happen. You act like Oct 7, did not occur. The attack game from Gaza and the counter punches are against Gaza.
“If Hamas military was not hiding with the civilians the bombing would not occur.”
Even if true, not relevant. Murdering civilians to get at your opponent is murdering civilians whether you’re Hamas or IDF. Excuses are like assholes. Everybody’s got one and they all stink.
The attack game from Gaza and the counter punches are against Gaza.
That’s yet another lie. The Zionists are taking it out on the Occupied Territories as well. They’re going for full blown extermination of Palestine.
Given the quality of education in the public schools if you armed the students they would shoot the teachers who peddle crap.
Well what are your alternatives-call the UN Police, or just sit and take it like in the old days?
The fact that you made this as your first choice as a response tells me that you should stick to selling State Farm Insurance.
This war started decades ago when Israel occupied Palestine. Palestinians refer to it as the Nakba “Palestinian Catastrophe” I call it ethnic cleansing. The Occupied have a right to resistance, the occupiers have NO right to self defense.
Lets all turn truth on its head and get 2.3 million people mass murdered, nice one. Hamas is part of the Palestinian resistance to the brutal occupation of Israel. btw Hamas was created in part by Netanyahu as a counter to the PLO.
Also evidence now suggests that the IDF murdered more Israeli’s that day than Hamas. So should we now kill all Israeli’s, all 9 million of them? ITS YOUR WORLD BOSS.
As usual pure nonsense from you.
History did not begin on 7 Oct 23.
We were all cool with this in the Donbass though right? Ethnic cleansing and genocide of 6 million ethnic Russians was just fine. They even called them Subhuman’s.
Unfortunately the ethnic Russians wouldn’t just die. They stayed strong and resisted the occupiers ie the Nazi’s who were given power by Obama and then sent to invade the Donbass to subjugate them all.
Actually its not that Netanyahu i mean Obama wanted to kill them all, if they fled to Sinai, i mean Russia, then Netanyahu i mean Obama would spare them their lives.
Actually I was never in favor of sending arms to Ukraine. I would be in favor of eliminating most of our politicians who brought these problems to the fore. Eliminating the arms sales all over the world and especially to Israel is the best chance we have of avoiding a World War with very serious consequences. Time is not on our side.
Unfortunately AIPAC has a critical mass of traitors in both parties firmly gripped by their tentacles. The only hope I see is another Trump presidency spuring states to secede or at the very least transforming their relationship with the federal government to more of a loose confederation.
They can have Mississippi anytime.
All those bombs did not really kill anyone. They are safe bombs. That is why Israel is dropping them — they would not really want to hurt anyone. We are to believe that?
Freedom and Democracy bombs. Each one we drop brings more and more Freedom and Democracy.
Believing what Israels leaders say is like believing Donald Trump the man with 20,000 lies and more each day. Biden is running neck and neck with him.
Biden’s dementia gets worse all the time. Is this the guy you want having access to the button? Or his handlers?
I had that thought 6 months ago,hell no.
That’s exactly why they call them, “Smart Bombs.”
Freedom and Democracy bombs. Each one we drop brings more and more Freedom and Democracy. ITS ALL JUST BIG LIES AFTER BIG LIES.
Enabled by Genocide Joe and his entourage of human slugs.
“Hey Hey Ho Ho “Genocide Joe” has got to go”.
“Biden, Biden, you can’t hide! We charge you with gen o cide!”.
Meanwhile, the IDF is having a harder time when the opposition isn’t women and children: https://southfront.press/israeli-army-pays-heavy-price-in-gaza/
Just wait until better armed countries and Islam get involved with opposition.
The US/Israel/NATO “axis of good” can be stopped only by a military force, as it was done in Ukraine, Afghanistan and Vietnam. This simple fact is too difficult for understanding in Arab world. They think they can impress their enemy by jumping around with their own dead children in hands.
The world cries out in pain and the US and Israel keep bombing. What is wrong with this picture? A very small geographic area has 10 to 20 thousand deaths and missing persons on top of years of subjugation and misery imposed by Israel. The term War Crime does not reflect the cruelty and inhumanity committed.Our so called leaders in the US support this with passion.
This really is genocide.
No not even close. It is called Urban combat combined with human shields.
The world has already rejected that shameful attempt to justify the genocide you support and defend.
Particular disgusting is that Hamas was created by Zionists. In 2019, Netanyahu openly announced that financing Hamas serves to Israeli interests.
Hamas is the one who publicly claimed to want to destroyed Israel. Anyway, no Oct 7 attack and no counter bombing by Israel. No Hamas hiding under in tunnels under civilian buildings, no need to destroyed those buildings. All deaths in Gaza after Oct 7 are on Hamas for the war they started.
Yes, Hamas wants to destroy Israel. That’s a reaction to more than 75 years of land theft, ethnic cleansing, apartheid, and relentless brutality. What would anyone expect?
You should really drop the “Hamas started it” narrative. It is undisputed, except by the ignorant, the liars and the delusional, that the violent aggressors of Zionism started this war. We could argue about the date, how long before 1948, but that would be a matter only of historical interest now.
No I’m am not dropping the Hamas started narrative. Hamas started this current Hamas- Israel war. No question about it. You can argue that they has their reasons, but you can not argue that they didn’t start the current war on Oct 7.
And thus Israel bombing of Gaza. No Oct 7. no bombing.
Something for which the nation of Israel should have sympathy but not under the influence of Right wing Zionists.
Zionism is very evil form of Nazism. Any kind of Nazism is evil but Zionism is particularly evil because it is carefully enveloped in a big lie about “ancient Israel” which serves as justification for any crime.
Be they you mean the dictators in control of their people. These dictators got the message long time ago. Follow orders or else.
Gee, by Hanukkah there could be 30,000 – 40,000 Palestinians murdered, perhaps half would be children. WTF.
I will take the over.
Remembering how the orchestra played on as the Titanic settled beneath the waves, I offer a bit of diversion for you in this time of unhappiness:
https://fredoneverything.org/a-whorehouse-of-damned-fools-thought-if-any-in-the-federal-bubble/
It has a certain black humor to your remark.
Why is this one still good? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGT6bdlcLPI
After WW II many Germans insisted they didn’t know of the war crimes that took place. No Americans can use that excuse. This Gaza holocaust has been well documented and filmed before our eyes. We all know what is happening to the trapped inhabitants in the Gaza Ghetto.
The civilized world with Russia and Turkey, (and possibly Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Egypt, Iran, and Hezbollah) in the lead, should immediately employ standoff weapons to crater all usable airfields in Israel, military airfields in particular of course. By this limited action, they can ground the Israeli Air Force and force a pause in the bombing of Gaza.
Difficult to know how Israel and the US would respond to this “minimal” escalation, but it would send a message.
Very bad idea.
Why, … considering the alternatives?
In other words,victims are aggressors,war is peace. Iran and Russia are heroes.Saudi Arabia does not kill Houthis and oppress women,Russia is not slaughtering civilians inUkraine, Iran is not eliminating Bahai and oppressing Kurds.
First, That would only knock out the airfields for 24 to 48 hours at best. Second, those attacking nations would be counter punched and thirdly Israel would now have to no reasons to hold back on their Gaza attacks.
None of those nations that you mention, with exception of Hezbollah and Iran, care about the Palestinians enough to take the risk associated with your suggestions.
The message has already been sent, by the US, with its naval deployments to the area. And that message is “don’t fuck around, or you’ll find out.” Except to Iran. To Iran, the message is “c’mon, PLEASE give us an excuse.”
USA: 600,000 Iraqi civilians killed 2003-2006 = ~16,666 killed per month
Israel: 10,000 Palestinian civilians killed Oct 7, 2023-Nov 6, 2023 = ~10,000 killed per month.
Russia: 10,000 Ukrainian civilians killed Feb 24, 2022-Nov 6, 2023 = ~488 killed per month
As horrific as what Israel is doing in Gaza the USA is still the all time king of genocide and human suffering. Russia is a bunch of wannabes. Russia does excel at killing enemy soldiers, though. I guess that’s the thing about fighting an actual war instead of imperial counterinsurgency campaigns – that is civilians are much more protected…or it could just be that the USA is led by a bunch of moral “the ends justify the means” degenerates.
Yes, the US contra Iraq is the largest war criminal, not acting on a security threat BTW, which went largely unreported by the MSM. In the Senate, Joe Biden backed Operation Iraqi Freedom because it had full by-partisan support in Washington. . . . Iraq did gain its freedom, allied now with Iran, which means that Iraqi fighters are free to attack in-country unwanted US forces, and get called “Iran proxies.”
Both statements are true.
True.
We’re the war criminals. Full stop.
I’d love to think that at some point the absolute horror in Gaza will make a few more people start to think about the relationship between the United States’ promotion of violence in its many forms and the kinds of scenarios currently on display in the ME. Anything beyond that is a fantasy AFAIC, but it might be the beginnings of a hesitant step back from the abyss.