Despite the massive bombing campaign and ground invasion in Gaza, a senior Pentagon official believes Israel has not come close to taking out Hamas’s leadership, The New York Times reported Saturday.
The report reads: “One senior US defense official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive details, said the operations so far have not come close to destroying Hamas’s senior and middle leadership ranks.”
According to Gaza’s Health Ministry, at least 9,770 Palestinians have been killed in the Israeli onslaught, including 4,008 children. The Times report said the US was making suggestions to Israel to reduce civilian casualties, such as using smaller bombs, but the Biden administration is refusing to leverage military aid.
According to The Washington Post, the US is not conditioning military aid or using other leverage it has over Israel because it “would be so politically unpopular in any administration and partly because, aides say, Biden himself has a personal attachment to Israel.”
The Post report also said that White House advisors believed Israel’s ground invasion of Gaza would only lead to destabilization and escalation. Regardless of the US officials’ view of the war, they are seeking an additional $14 billion from Congress to keep funding the onslaught.
Secretary of State Antony Blinken was in Israel on Friday and suggested a “humanitarian pause,” but the idea was rejected by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
The following day, Blinken traveled to Amman and met with Arab leaders who called for a real ceasefire, an idea the Biden administration has rejected. “It’s our view that a ceasefire now would simply leave Hamas in place and able to regroup and repeat what it did on October 7,” Blinken said.
Things will only get worse:
CIA chief visiting Israel and other Middle East nations as war in Gaza grinds on
https://www.axios.com/2023/11/05/cia-burns-israel-qatar-egypt-visit-gaza-war
I just don’t see any point to a humanitarian pause, as it would only result in the last vestiges of a bargaining chip the Palestinians would have in negotiating a cease fire.
I’m convinced at this point the Israelis won’t stop until they have either killed every Arab in Gaza or expelled those still alive by driving them into the desert and presenting Egypt with a fiat accompli. After all, just what could the Egyptians do? And if Israel succeeds , the world will slink quietly back into its stupor.
Does anyone know if Iran’s nukes are fully operational???
IThey probably are fully operational, but I don’t think are usable to put down an uprising on their own soil. They are generating so much bad news & worldwide condemnation that to use nukes could put an end to their apartheid state experiment.
Using nukes on Gaza also destroys southern Israel…!
They don’t exist, there is no weapons program. So no they are not operational.
Iran doesn’t have nukes, crazy.
Probably not.
You mean Israel’s…?!
The nuclear clock is stat 90 bloody seconds to bloody MIDNIGHT. MIDNIGHT is D-DAY!!!
The Doomsday Clock Has Moved: How Close Are We to Armageddon …
90 seconds to midnight:
The Doomsday Clock is currently set at 90 seconds to midnight. It had been at 100 seconds to midnight since 2020, and didn’t change in either 2021 or 2022.Jan 24, 2023
Taking out Hamas leadership is pointless. New ones will replace them.
This and Israel being successful in its counter-terrorism and anti-genocide operations can both be true. Israel is in the relatively early stages of its “ground incursions”, and as such they have achieved significant operational and strategic success (some Hamas “manuals” recovered included, along with information on weapons and tactics, clear implications that the actual attack in Israel was the main operation and that it was intended to last much longer). This is in addition to Israel not appearing to be at risk of low material, as in additional to reasonable U.S. aid and support through drones and aircraft carriers the U.S. government has recently stated that “As long as America Exists, It Will Support Israel”, so as such the future for Israeli and U.S. cooperation against terrorism and attempts of genocide seems only bright.
Anti-genocide?, No, Israel is commiting genocide. Right now. With US weapons and protection. Stop Israel from commiting genocide in Gaza!
If Israel were to lay down its army today in the name of peace, Hamas would go in a kill everybody.
And who suggested that Israel “lay down its army”? No one.
If what Israel is doing is acceptable, then there is no reason why it should not be done to Israel too.
If Israel sees why it ought not happen to them, then it ought to stop doing it.
Probably the victims in Europe would have done the same to the Germans.
There’s never been any evidence of this. IT’s a common Israeli talking point that implies Arabs are savages and incapable of peace. In reality, Israel has been offered peace deals throughout its history.
“counter terrorism/anti genocide” are in damn near every one of his/her’ comments. If not a hasbara troll, then an avid Israeli firster.
As opposed to what exactly, providing an inaccurate description of Israel’s operations given the overwhelming amount of evidence and reasoning definitively proving that such a depiction would absolutely be accurate? As the U.S. also has interests in countering genocidal terrorist Iranian proxies in the region, the morality and reasonableness of the current level of U.S. support is mutually beneficial for both parties, with me additionally asking you to stop attempting to call me a “hasbara”, individuals can have supported, well-reasoned stances without being necessarily backed by a nation-state through a sophisticated multi-faceted cyber influence campaign. You also appear to have definitively lost the “points” you were attempting to prove in the previous “thread”, as while for some reason “Disqus” wouldn’t let me “respond” as it said submissions were closed, at that point you were consistently unable to prove your attempted “points” in the face of overwhelming reasoning and evidence, and as such claims attempting to discredit me as well as Israel and the Israeli Defense Forces ring hollow in this context. But if supporting Israel protecting its people while taking every reasonable measure to reduce civilian casualties would actually make me any of those attempted insults, it would still be something I’d certainly be willing to continue (at-least until the ground incursion is successful, I’m hoping to generally convince individuals to support the moral, reasonable, and as such correct side in this conflict).
I’ll stop calling you a Hasbara troll when you stop commenting like a Hasbara troll. You certainly didn’t do it with this comment. Even the fucking vicious US asked their fucking vicious counterparts to pause and got rejected. But keep telling everyone how the moral, reasonable IDF is trying to reduce civilian casualties with more Hasbara talking points.
Ah, because repeating the true context, logic and reasoning surrounding the currently occurring situation would magically make me simply repeating “talking points”. If I’d be wrong and your completely right, why can’t you ever definitively prove it? Reality doesn’t necessarily need anyone’s “permission”, it’s going to continue existing whether it’s acknowledged or not.
I prove what I say every time the new death toll of children comes out. There is no context that exonerates that kind of brutality no matter how many times you repeat yourself. Blinken was there to ask for a pause because he knows support for Israel is wanning because so many innocents are being killed. And Israel sent Tony home with a no and continued on so more people will die that are in dire need of help. So, go ahead with more logic and reasoning and tell me how those deaths were unavoidable.
Why do you continue acting like you’ve made a “point”. Of course civilian tragedies are always a tragedy, no serious individual in the United States or the Israeli government would ever disagree with that statement, nor would you have ever disproven the proven reality that the IDF takes every reasonable measure to reduce if not eliminate civilian casualties. The thing is, normally when people bring up civilian casualties in a conflict, there’s this thing called context and reasoning. Using that, it is exceptionally clear that every single casualty in this conflict has been due to the conflict of choice initiated by the terrorist and genocidal organization known as Hamas, due to their actions of bringing terrorism to Israeli civilians at concerts, in bunkers, in their own homes via rockets and automatic rifles, as well as for other civilians through their concealment of weapons, personnel and equipment near civilians, almost always completed either without consent or under coercion, and then after purposefully putting them in clear and consistent danger attempting to use some of the unfortunate consequences they have specifically been attempting to create and bear full responsibility for in an attempt to control both the public and the media. As such, Israel continues to be justified and acting in self-defense throughout its operations to eliminate the terrorist and genocidal organization known as Hamas.
You keep saying you’re not a Hasbara troll and then you make another Hasbara troll comment. Over 4,000 dead children and you’re still insisting that the IDF takes every precaution to “reduce if not eliminate civilian casualties” while they eliminate more civilians. Jesus Christ, I’d hate to see how many dead children would convince you that they aren’t and they don’t care. They keep pulling the trigger knowingly and willingly killing innocents. But keep your Hasbara bullshit coming and continue supporting collective punishment while the world turns against Israel’s disgusting barbarism. I can do this shit until the cows come home. I’m never going to allow a Hasbara troll to have the last word.
What? Listen, obviously the IDF has made one or two mistakes throughout its long history, the way you can tell they’re actually “one of the good guys” though to get super simplistic is that they attempt to learn from those mistakes and never repeat them again. They have policies designed to prevent civilian casualties, and contrary to what would appear to be popular opinion on threads like these they actually do condemn Israeli “settlers” in cases where they could be in the wrong. The main issue here is that given these already presented and proven facts you have never come close to “proving” that the IDF would ever purposefully be attempting to cause civilian casualties or that “they [wouldn’t] care”. If someone took you hostage at gunpoint and the police accidentally shot you while attempting to shoot them, ignoring the fact this would probably be an unprofessional special forces response (typically they’d appear to attempt to de-escalate and shoot with sniper rifles), you’d probably recognize the police were not willingly trying to shoot you but rescue you from the presumably immoral individual attempting to take you hostage. The only “collective punishment” being practiced (aside from the house demolition policy, that was just kind of weird) has been by a terrorist and genocidal organization known as Hamas when they’d indiscriminately attempt to attack Israeli civilians. And because you’d appear to have not understood that sometimes it can be difficult to reduce if not eliminate civilian casualties given how Hamas hides weapons, personnel and equipment in an attempt to have these unfortunate incidents occur, I have an infographic that can pretty clearly explain the logical, supported points I have been making. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8816cc11a27a2f8ce52a6d6f5f08ae471e351cde2083fe303288b63591183197.jpg
Your first sentence almost made me puke. You completely Ignored Blinken’s visit and his asking for a pause, so HUMANTARIAN aid could get in. And, lo and behold, he was rejected. That destroys every bullshit point you try to make about the kindhearted IDF. And more stupid fucking analogies to boot. Keep it coming Hasbara troll. There are over 4,000 dead children proving my point. Trying to exonerate those killings because Hamas is using civilians as human shields isn’t an excuse, it’s an admission of collective punishment. And what’s truly amazing is Israel preferred Hamas over the PLO and Netanyahu even stated as much as recently as 2019.
“Those who want to thwart the possibility of a Palestinian state should support the strengthening of Hamas and the transfer of money to Hamas. This is part of our strategy.”
I’m still not sure whether that particular commenter actually works for Hamas or is just really, really, really bad at making the Israeli side look anything but stupid and evil.
And you continue to remain free to definitively prove why you would be correct on the positions you keep pushing, however, given that you have been unable to do this for quite some time, it appears we may be waiting for some time for both that, actual verifiable proof, as well as any actual example of me “making the Israeli side look… anything but [derogatory] and [derogatory]”. Since it appears you’ve actually read my previous “medium.com” story, you should know I’ve written another one, and if you’d wish to fully respond a response should touch on it: https://medium.com/p/1e27c4b62314.
What do you mean “we”? You and who else are you standing behind?
It’s a figure of speech. But in reality there appear to be plenty of people who’d share these supported and reasoned stances and views outside of this online internet forum, so I guess it might be up to interpretation.
One of the problems is that by “supported” you mean “the IDF says.”
Your entire case is that you prefer one murderous terrorist gang over the other, and that the terrorist gang you prefer says things you believe.
No offense, but this is beginning to go down the conspiracy theory rabbit-hole, as if your not going to believe a legitimate government when no conclusive evidence has been offered to not believe them who exactly are you supposed to believe then, Hamas? Obviously sources of information won’t necessarily be 100% accurate all the time, but given Israel and the Israeli Defense Forces track record it is a reasonable assumption to assume they have and will continue to report verifiable information pertaining to this conflict. And no, when they declared the ground incursion operation would have already started as a psychological tool against Hamas militants that would not count, as that only lasted for a very short period of time, was later corrected and the valuable info they gathered may have saved countless lives. That being said though, most of the sources I’ve listed are non IDF affiliated, so even if that were true it still wouldn’t invalidate the logical and supported points and stances I’ve made.
Statements by governments are not themselves evidence that the statements are true.
As for “legitimate governments,” if by “government” you mean “nation-state regime,” the term is an oxymoron.
While of course a statement wouldn’t automatically become valid just because it would be said by a government (the Afghanistan papers come to mind), I’m pointing out that in an actual conflict-zone many journalists have not actually entered or have unfortunately become casualties in, there are very few other credible sources of large-scale information, and as such if any operational information is to be derived about this conflict it will probably have to come from the most credible source available, that being the IDF. That being said, you can tell that the IDF overwhelmingly spreads true information related to this conflict, as open-source investigations like Belling-cat have previously been able to prove governments wrong when they make false claims or release false information, with no such apparent corrections able to made for the IDF. I’m not going into the whole “statism is terrorism” thing, I’m just pointing out why the IDF would continue to be a legitimate and valid source in this conflict.
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That’s fine, can’t say I would have ever been particularly a fan of your account when it appeared to be “spamming” the “thumbs-down” option. I don’t necessarily only want people to only agree with me, but at a certain point when I clearly and thoroughly establish the how, where and why, it does begin to become appreciated.
People shouldn’t block Hasbara trolls. They should call them out. This clown should be called out.
It’s the same shit over and over.
That’s perfectly fine, for you. For me, I don’t come here to argue with people who are in favor of US supported wars and atrocities in the ME or the Ukraine. To me, this little spot is like an oasis on the web. With most of the web being a desert in which the views of the war mongers are more than dominant. And, frankly, the war mongers who show up here are not even good at what they do. Their trolling is generally obvious and content-free. Their arguments are stupid, and repetitive (We’re paid by Putin, we support decapitating babies, the Ukraine will win because it is fighting a war of national liberation, etc). I am here to share ideas, facts and opinions with like-minded, genuinely anti war, individuals, such as yourself. Not to argue with the trolls, or even to call them out (much as they deserve it). And I don’t believe they are even here in good faith, so arguing with them is exhausting and, to me, anyway, a waste of time and effort, and a distraction.
I have blocked all of them. And am quite happy with the results! YMMV.
I hear ya man. I just can’t help myself. It’s like a sickness. I almost feel like they are getting away with something.
I hear you too. I used to feel that way.
I just blocked him/her. No More.
You do realize as someone with alt accounts I can see everything you’d “post” and continue responding to it, right? But if your truly unable to see that Israel would absolutely be a moral nation attempting every reasonable measure to protect its people and reduce if not eliminate civilian casualties while absolutely being unable to refute it, I guess you can make that decision as well. You wouldn’t necessarily have to “listen” to me for everything I’ve said to continue to remain true, whether your able to acknowledge it or not.
Since you can still see everything I post, see this: Fuck you troll.
Because it appears you’d have again attempted to “block” this account, you should know that I can see any “posts” made through infinite identities in Tor Browser (the only way to block others from seeing your posts with this method would be to keep them from being viewed by anyone), and if a hosting site like Disqus would ever somehow significantly increase its security capabilities and verification that can simply be bypassed through the usage of services like BrowserStack and others. When dealing with a hosting site like Disqus it allows infinite identities and accounts to be created seemingly to promote ease of use, as such I can choose to respond at any point if I deem it necessary, however, if you don’t wish for me to “respond” I can respect that. I simply find it unfortunate you’d describe my account through such unfortunate terminology and as such would appreciate it if you would change your mind on issues such as the ones I have been attempting to convince users like yourself on after subsequently responding.
Blocked again. Please go away.
Were you not “listening” to my response. I was telling you that if you’d want me to stop “responding” I can do that. I don’t necessarily need everyone on an online Internet forum to see what I would be writing, and if you’d make that decision I’m okay with that.
Leave me alone. I don’t know how I can be any clearer!
Blocked for the third time.
You get one, and only one, chance to knock off the “multiple accounts to get around blocks” stuff. If it happens again you’ll be banned (as many times as necessary to send you on your way).
I was pointing out that I could continue responding but I’m choosing not to. But sure, you can attempt to “ban” me for something that wasn’t listed in the long string of text you once listed as the “site rules”. The claims of “harassment” are leaving me a little bit “burned out” anyways, okay.
Using multiple accounts to get around blocks, bans, etc. is a violation of the “Attacks on Antiwar.com itself” clause of our guidelines (“Attempts to hack or otherwise technically damage the site [or] non-technical attempts to damage our ability to operate” ).
Has this site ever actually experienced a DDOS attack? Because in that context, the claim of having “multiple accounts” being or approaching an attempt to “..hack or otherwise technically damage the site [or]… our ability to operate” wouldn’t appear to make too much sense. As such, a reasonable individual would question this “line of reasoning”. I’m aware you’ve repeated many times the “site” would be “free” to do as it wishes, I’m simply pointing out that the specific claims your attempting to advance currently wouldn’t appear to be particularly supported or clear.
Who said anything about DDOS? Attempting to make meaningful discussion impossible on the site is attacking the site, regardless of the chosen means, which you have explicitly laid out as your modus operandi. It’s really just that simple.
Can you do what you threaten to do? Yes. But if you do, I’ll be suppressing such activities as quickly and thoroughly as possible until you get tired of attacking the site. No biggie.
Uw what? I think you misunderstood my initial response. I haven’t been “threatening” to attack this site, I’m pointing out that you haven’t exactly explained how possibly having another account on an online internet forum would be “making discussion impossible”. I’m also confused as to why you’d label this my “…modus operandi”, as this would be the first time I’ve used another account on this site. If anything I’ve clearly marked and labeled what would and wouldn’t be an “alternate account” or an “extension” for clear identification purposes. If we would be on the subject though, if anything a site like this would probably be attacked by SQL or phishing (a surprising number of successful modern hacks appear to have revolved around “advanced” phishing), and that wouldn’t be a “moderator” issue but more of a systems engineering task. I’ve mostly been attempting to have reasonable discussions with individuals who’d choose to respond to me, and as such I don’t think I’d appreciate this false characterization.
You’re not “confused” that I would refer to your attack on my personal blog using the same technique.
“I’ve mostly been attempting to have reasonable discussions with individuals who’d choose to respond to me”
When they’ve BLOCKED you, they are choosing NOT to respond to you. Using alternate account schemes to get around their preferences is an attack on them, and therefore an attack on the site.
Because there can be some differences between a personal blog and a public facing site, and as such one can reasonably assume there would be somewhat different expectations. And yes, I do know that, I was just going to leave a single message yet given the responses I have received I’ve thought about it and don’t think I’d do that again. As I’ve said previously, this account we would be my first time using an online internet forum, as such the condescension you appear to be displaying is not at all appreciated. If all you wanted to say was that you personally viewed using another account that way you could have just said that at the beginning of this “conversation” and saved both of us a lot of time. As such I haven’t appreciated your false characterization of me.
You don’t understand what “public facing” means, do you?
What? Listen, I understand we might disagree politically, but can you not turn this into some conspiracy that I’d be trying to mastermind something against the site or something. Okay, people on this site and you might not appreciate the use of a “second account”. I’m aware, and given the reaction I’ve gotten I don’t particularly feel like repeating that. Why don’t we just leave it off at that.
I didn’t posit a “conspiracy.” I’ve never had any particular reason to assume you’re not acting alone. I just warned you against violating the guidelines by attacking the site. I’m happy to “leave it off at that” as long as you heed the warning.
A “conspiracy” can involve one person, I was previously pointing out the site guidelines wouldn’t clearly define what I would be doing as some sort of “attack”, but yeah I’d also be glad to “leave this off”.
“Conspiracy” is a plural noun referring to an agreement between two or more persons.
I don’t want to be “that person” but the word conspiracy has two definitions, a “secret plan by a group” or a more general “action of plotting or conspiring” that would not necessarily imply other members. That being said, now could be as decent a time as any to end this “conversation”.
You’re free to end the conversation at any time. All you have to do is stop talking. Would it have been better if you’d stopped talking before trying to magically turn an always-plural noun into a sometimes-singular noun for no apparent reason? Sure. But it’s never too late.
That’s not appreciated. There’s no need to be mean-spirited about it.
Wait, so you seriously “blocked” me because you thought I was a “warmonger” who’d agree with supporting organizations like the Azov battalion. I mean you can do that if you want, but I’m not sure exactly what from my other account would have led you to believe that. I also don’t think I would be particularly “argumentative”, as if an “account” would be responding to me I typically attempt to be reasonable and point out why I would feel the way I would.
By many creditable reports, the highest echelons of Hamas leadership are safely and luxuriently ensconced in Qatar. Does that make for a third rail of intervention? Or is it just a matter of time before the Israeli government cons the US into another invasion, à la Kuwait, 1991? Or maybe to just nuke Qatar?
Qatar is a safe place for Hamas leaders because they are enjoying US military protection over there.
In 2019 Netanyahu announced that the money invested in Hamas serve to Israeli interests. US leadership, obviously, agreed with him. Hamas, Isis, Israel and US at the time acted as one team against Assad. Netanyahu also considered Hamas as very useful organization for undermining Palestinian state.
I knew that the State of Israel created and maintained Hamas. That said, you have credibly answered my questions.
If true, think about that. Hamas troops are getting hammered and the civilians are dying and Hamas leadership is living in Qutar!. Nice guys!!
“Biden himself has a personal attachment to Israel”
He and his son have also a personal attachment to Ukraine. When huge investments from US budget are involved, there are always a lot of personal attachments of American top politicians.
Too bad the American people are such idiots to allow this.
Too bad the American people are such idiots to allow this.
According to always reliable Bhadrakumar, Israeli military is still at the gates of the city. Some videos have emerged of Hamas using anti-tank weapons and disappearing into the warren of fortifications. In the meantime bombing is intended to remove population from the city. Bhadrakumar is reporting from many sources that Blinken is trying to find Arab donors to fund tent cities in Sinai desert, and break down Egyptian resistance to accomodating the exodus.
It is also significant that the wife of the King of Jordan spoke on the issue of Palestinian occupation being the root of the problem that no elimination of Hamas can solve. Jordan is in an unenviable position as over 50% of its population is Palestinian. It also houses over 5 million of Palestinian refugees from earlier rounds of ethnic cleansing. There is no military solution. Netanyahu has no choice. On his watch the attack occured, and he has little choice but to escalate militarily. He is facing many charges. He cannot stop.
Biden has a growing threat to his re-election bid. Israeli problem jis costing him voters. He is losing Black and Hispanic vote, as well as young under thirty. While not really in danger to lose to any underwhelming Republican candidate, concern is real.
Ukrainian situation looks like a defeat, according to many analysts. Biden’s Ukraine feels like a Groundhog day.
This election is shaping to be one of the most consequential in recent history, while set of candidates do not appear to be ready for this turbulent world.
I see no evidence that any of the western hierarchy are ready for this turbulent world. They all (excepting the Hungarian and Serbian leadership) strike me as a cluster of superficial idiots faithfully following the blowhard Zelensky, chanting in unison “For as long as it takes”.
If anyone funds the tent cities, you can be sure it will be the USA
No worries. Nobody will fund the “tent cities”. The USA and its vassals will claim doing so would be “funding terrorists” (the wrong kind of course) or “antisemitic” or “would be so politically unpopular in any administration”
One would think so.
But we already fund through UN millions of Palestinian refugees in neighboring states Jordan. Lebanon, Syria. We actually subsidize Gaza now through UN. The money goes to Israel, and Israel decides how much of it goes to Gaza and what Gaza can import.
Other money goes to Gaza directly through UN staff stationed in Gaza. US will just redirect these funds to Egypt. And will surely discontinue helping refugees in Jordan and Lebanon, For a while now, I think US stopped paying for refugees in Syria and Saudi Arabia funds their half a million refugees.
None of the Palestinian refugees are citizens of any country. Even though many had become citizens through marriage.
All the countries refuse absorrbing the ever growing population Israel removed to take their land. None want to be accomplices. And encourage Israel to push out more population.
This time Egypt is targeted for being the recepient of the new exodus. .Money is already baked in the cake, It will not become an issue.
In fact, tbis is most likely. Blinken just wants to dress up the problem. To get some money so the exidus will appear to be Arab sanctioned. We are still paying through UN the cost of supporting millions of Palestinian refugees from previouscrounds of ethnic cleansing. Jordan alone houses over 5 milllion Palestinian refugees. Since many have acquired citizenship through marriage, Jordanian population is in fact over 50% of population. Jordan, that always obliged us, cannot this time,
So let vote in Trump. You know the guy who moved the embassy from Tel Avia to Jerusalem.
And Trump bitched about Obama not kissing Israel’s ass enough. Right here in Michigan there is talk that Biden could lose our state because of this war. I guess they must think Trump would be doing something differently. He wouldn’t.
And there’s the problem: Finding a candidate who doesn’t have his (her) nose up Netanyahu’s butt.
At least one that can win. No “R” no “D” no win.
More likely the voters aren’t going to show up.
Trump had his chance, and had demonstrated just how politics works in this country. He was not the man many thought he could be.
In fact, as time went by, he has become an epitome of a man who was his own worst enemy by being easily sidetracked into issues and debates that were irrelevant. For trying so hard to please Zionist constituency, he got their contempt in return.
He is not the man for the job. He was a wrecking ball. Many of his already few accomplishments have been reversed. His only accomplishments are in his role as a child who sees that emperor has no clothes. Loss of industry and the danger of losing technological edge, the interventionist policies and costly alliances, and the crisis at the borders. And the serious problen with media today.
But no candidate today is a person with gravitas to assure citizens that they are capable of leadership required at this time at home or abroad.
Real power resides with the neocon/lib donor class through its transmission belt (K St.) to the pol-scum and DeSantis is making a major bid for the candidacy.
Yes, the power of money is formidable. And canndidates, not just DeSantis are fiercely competing in this audition to earn the money. I would say Nikki Haley leads the pack in calling for Palestinian heads on spikes.
The world’s eyes are on us. Being seen as supporting Israel in its quest to rid itself of “human animals” puts us into barbarian universe. All human brings after all are not made equal, We shout this to the world.
What do we think the reaction will be in the world where scars of colnialism have not healed yet? In Africa, Latin America, Asia — they recognize the scent of bloodthirsty Europeans
We have now eliminated all doubts. US is no different — our humsn rights and rules based international order are a costume we put on.
Our political process cannot see beyond the most short-term horizon. Not good.
The global oligarachate presently dominated by the Neocon fraction believes in a naturalist ethic, might makes right. They have abandoned any pretense of Xtian/Enlightenment ethic, the brotherhood/moral equality of all men, that the foundation of the state is Justice institutionalized in Law. Unless someone like Russia can save us again, Western Civilization is on a genetically recessive organic path to its barbaric heritage.
Nikki Haley is an air-head. DeSantis is Harvard, and has a presentation. I can’t see the oligarchs wanting to be fronted by Nikki.
But they managed to kill ~10,000 Palestinians, most of them of civilians and many children, and destroy so much of Gaza. Continuing further is just pure genocide.
The Israelis are consumed by their unrequited hatred of all things Palestinian. They are become monsters.
Yes, because it is obvious that Palestinians and Hamas are peaceful loving people that never attack Israel and are willing to co-exist with them.
Yes,this is a terrible situation for humanity.However, the Hamas pogrom must not go unanswered. In 5 0r 10 years,Hamas will rebuild itself.
So follow international law and give the Palestinians their state. Israel maintaining a concentration camp in Gaza is what’s causing the problem.
When the hostages are accountable for, which means they are released or are dead, than Israel should leave Gaza, seal the border between Gaza and Israel, quit the naval blockade and let Gaza alone. Gaza would than be free to become its own nation. They can trade via the sea and/or Egypt.
Israel is a depraved criminal race-state. The only solution is the S. African.
So go live in Ramallah.
What, to be another of your defenceless ‘terrorist’ victims? No thanks. Israel not only preaches genocide; it practices it. Civilized humanity has the obligation to declare forfeit its right to exist as a state.
It is Hezbollah who is preaching genocide.
This only suggesst he be killed by Israel, along with all the rest murdered. Nasty.
South African situation and Israel situation are not the same. Your anti Israel believes are not going to change the current situation. As long as the Palestinians and Arabs believe that the solution is the destruction of Israel there will be no peace. The best solution is for the Palestinians to have their own state. My idea is a start.
My “beliefs”, eh? How many times does Israel have to prove its bad faith before you all wake up to the reality that they don’t and won’t respect any agreement. but will just keep cleansing til they have it all. It’s long past time to admit that the creation of the state of Israel was a crime, one that calls out more each bloody day for redress.
Interesting. “that the creation of the state of Israel was a crime” I used to believe that when I was young and just learning about Geo politics. The fact is that Israel does exists and it is not going away. Beliefs don’t change the facts on the ground. If you want peace, one has to find away to get started. That is why I recommend that Israel leaves Gaza and ends it sea blockage when the war is over with.
The S. Africa (BDS until the land is returned to its rightful owners, reparations and prosecutions) solution is the only hope for a peaceful resolution.
Only the rockets will continue.
They might. In that case counter bombing would be required.
Only,the Palestinians will never accept anything less than all of the land.Jerusalem could be shared,West Bank and Gaza for the Palestinians-but that will not suffice.
“Palestinians will never accept anything less than all of the land”
Advance thanks for supporting an otherwise worthless claim.
Says the guy who is myopic about who has been taking whose land.
Israel’s actions make this a self fulfilling prophecy. The world cannot live with what Israel has become.
Problem is,Arafat said give me a state-very good, then give me the rest back-i.e.. “right of return”
They don’t want a state. They just want to kill the Jews. Read their charter for f**k sake
They want both. As you’d know if YOU had read their charter.
Their Charter? Only theirs?
How about the documents of Netanyahu’s party?
Oh, they are not a “Charter?” They say the same things, and he is doing the same things, but with far more power to kill many more.
I was referring to Hamas’s charter rather than Likud’s charter, because the claim was about Hamas’s charter, not Likud’s charter.
And Israel does want them to have a state?
Is that the one written when Netanyahu set them up?
Seems like someone else wants to, and is, just killing Palestinians.
blocked
antiwar7: “follow international law and give the Palestinians their state. Israel maintaining a concentration camp in Gaza is what’s causing the problem.
odele: “They don’t want a state. They just want to kill the Jews. Read their charter.”
Antiwar7 did not say give Hamas a state; he clearly said, “give…Palestinians their state.”
You know – the Palestinian state that the 1990s Oslo peace accords were intended to lead to?
The state Palestinians wanted enough to renounce violence for?
The state an Israeli right winger opposed enough to murder Rabin for?
The accords Israel undermined by continuing to settle the West Bank?
The accords the US never exerted meaningful pressure on Israel to keep its end of the bargain on.
The accords that – fulfilled – could have kept a terrorist splinter…a splinter.
The accords whose scuttling instead strengthened that terrorist splinter…
…into a political force the Israeli government further fed by financial support, because, Netanyahu said, supporting Hamas in Gaza would politically split Palestinians – weakening the Palestinian Authority and its two-state goals.
“HOW U.S. POLICY FAILURES HAVE HELPED HAMAS”
Foreign Policy in Focus, 10/31/23
Hamas / Palestinians position during previous high level negotiations where they have been offered a lot of concessions:
1. No Peace
2. No Recognition of Israel
3. No Negotiations with Israel
This is always followed by Hamas launching attacks on Israel.
Hard to find a peace with this folks.
Everything you just said is false. Oslo alone suggests the opposite.
“Hamas / Palestinians position”?
Show Hamas and Palestinians are the same. Can’t? Then yr making up crap.
Tell us again about the “hamas pogrom” with its 40 beheaded babies and rave rapists, ….
Go look in a newspaper or on youtube.
The IDF won’t permit any but its own approved ‘reprting’ of 10/7. Have they arranged for a foto of 40 beheaded babies?
I’m sure they could doctor one up.
Except you see, there’s a fundamental problem with going down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole. If you can simply claim without evidence or proof anything the other side might produce would be fake or “part of it” or something else, anyone else can simply claim the same about anything your side would be able to offer, leaving the only available “evidence” as simply vague feelings related to presumable support of the cause. I’m sure there have been plenty of examples of “doctored” stories throughout history, as well as perhaps even in this conflict. But you should know then that the relative highest concentration of “doctored” stories, statistics and facts comes from presumably coerced “Palestinians” and the terrorist and genocidal organization know as Hamas (https://time.com/3035937/gaza-israel-hamas-palestinian-casualties/).
Yes, there’s doubtless no shortage of baby body parts in Gaza.
Killing over 4000 innocent Palestinian children is “quite an answer” to the “HAMAS pogrom”.
Although, not the appropriate answer.
If the Gazans want peace they will not allow that to happen.
The Israeli pogrom must not go unanswered, either. It is far worse.
It was ongoing in the West Bank even before 10/7, so that is not an excuse.
We must revisit the very idea of a Jewish State from 1948’s Resolution 181, and end this atrocity.
They just say that they want to take out Hamas, well to be honest they probably do, but it is impossible in practice so they are just going to kill a whole bunch of Gazans and when political pressure gets too high stop. We will repeat the whole exercise in other 15 years.
“it is impossible in practice [“to take out Hamas”] so [Israel is] just going to kill a whole bunch of Gazans and when political pressure gets too high stop.”
Wish I could foresee “political pressure get[ting] too high.”
Despite large US and European citizen resistance, it is unclear what that “too high” political pressure looks like…
Where it is a question of US domestic politics, this is what pro-Palestinian critics are up against:
clearly, Democrats would rather provide unconditional military and political support for Israel’s war crimes – and then risk losing elections due to US/Israel protesters…
…than meaningfully oppose Israel’s war crimes – then risk losing elections due to unconditional Israel supporters.
Have you listed to Lindsey Graham? Did you see Trump move the embassy. If one thinks the GOP will be less supported of Israel, you better think that again.
No one thinks that and nothing abramawicz wrote suggests that anyone does.
We’re well aware that thralldom to Israeli interests (actually, the interests of the Israeli power elite) is fully bipartisan in the US.
“If one thinks the GOP will be less supported of Israel-”
Learn to read – the post’s point was the Democratic Party’s choice to risk losing by supporting Israel’s mass killing of civilians vs risk losing by opposing it.
Learn to write better. You can start by writing whole sentences.
“Learn to write better. You can sta-”
Daah, gee you rite purty. Kin you be “supported of” me?
I want to add one more thing to my comment:
Ideally, the right liberal Democratic Party would now join with politicians and organizations supporting a large left liberal citizen activist base – essentially, leverage its left flank – to, politically and electorally, mobilize citizens in support of a ‘revised US-Israel’ relationship…
…a changed relationship powered not only by anti-Israeli-war-crime protests, but by antiwar support for beating swords into ploughshares – for domestic spending needs.
But…the Democratic Party has been so uniformly hostile, abusive, and dismissive of its large left flank – not only in foreign policy, but in domestic policy – that it has no such greater domestic relationship to build on:
having chosen a divisive right liberal political course already, the Democratic Party instead, now, is weakened by its self-inflicted divorce from the powerful activist currents surging through its alienated base.
What percentage of the population did we kill in Germany or Japan or in Shermans march to the sea? After those events the local population accepted a change of leadership. Scaled to Gaza that would be 300,000 or more ( you need to check my math). I don’t think the Israeliies/USA had the guts to pull that off.
Total outhern casualties (killed and wounded) in Sherman’s march to the sea are officially reported as around 2,300, or about 25 thousandths of one percent.
Ah so that is why that didn’t really work. Well it turns out maybe the number is only 10% Germany lost 3 million civilians and 3 million soldiers on a population of 70 million.
Officially reported by the victors?
That’s generally how it works.
I know! Reminds me of the Lincoln myth.
“What percentage of the population did we kill in Germany or Japan…After those events the local population accepted a change of leadership… that would be 300,000 or more [Palestinians].
Your example undercuts your “when political pressure gets too high stop” claim:
1/ Truman got away with bombing civilians, with US citizens largely supporting the act, and then electing him.
So imagined political costs did not inhibit – or, afterwards, negatively impact – him.
2/ Which points up the fact that there is no cross-historical, fixed percentage number of state-murdered civilians by which to calculate ‘what a state can get away with before it faces a political price; rather, it depends on the specific political situation.
And in this situation…
…where Biden is already an ‘at-risk’ candidate due to
a/ age-related mental and physical infirmity;
b/ specific political choices he and the Democratic party have made, and,
c/ as I wrote elsewhere on this thread, the Democratic Party’s longstanding, self-inflicted injury of spurning its left flank…
…Biden’s already significant polled loss of support with Muslim and Arab populations, and with voters under 30, may be the straw that breaks his electoral back, w/o yr ‘300,000.’
3/ Back to my original point: the Biden administration is fully aware of this, and would risk losing pro-Palestinian voters due to its unconditional support of Israel than risk losing due to right liberal defection.
So you basically admitted this is just your personal opinion on how you view current political events and would analyze them. In isolation that can be fine, but you should subsequently stop presenting them as if they would be definitive or objective.
“So you basically admitted this is just your personal opinion on how you view current political events.”
Too vague to frame a reply to.
“you should subsequently stop prese-”
Too funny – hey, “you should subsequently” learn to form a coherent thought before you start running around wagging yr reproving little finger at others’.
I’m pointing out that personal opinions and/or analysis are not objective, and as such should not be presented in that way. If your going to attempt to build some sort of insult out of that you can try but you don’t appear to be succeeding at it so far.
To the supporters of Hamas here.
https://fb.watch/o8qCmOWpZf/
Telling Israel to stop massacring babies does not make one a Hamas supporter. And nothing in your video matches even a fraction of what Israel is doing now in Gaza.
First H supporter spoke out.
Next one.
No answer, because you’ve got none. Genocide supporter
Different war, same tactic. Your shit is stale.
Ceasefire. Negotiate secular democracy.
https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1720858658915963147?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1720858658915963147%7Ctwgr%5E6a4787d230be2182c775324a6d546fe33364ab63%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnew.thecradle.co%2Farticles%2Fisraels-gaza-onslaught-continues-as-hamas-resists-ground-invasion
Of course the terrorist and genocidal organization known as Hamas would attempt to preserve itself at the expense of the civilian population it falsely claims to represent. But what exactly would your “point” be? It remains the same terrorist and genocidal organization known as Hamas that has effectively cancelled elections since 2007, and as such the ability to have restored it was in their power the whole time.
Israel created Hamas. Now it’s time for a secular single state solution with liberty and justice for all.
Just for fun, tell me how a secular single state would come about? Is Israel going to just toss 75 years of hard fought victories away?
Isolation by shunning and living in hate will eventually be contrasted with a modern peace idea born in modern democracy. Who wants to be viewed as the ugly people who do what Israel sans morals does to Palestinians? Israel created Hamas and it is about to lose in Gaza.
Israel will endure being shunned. They are used to that. The Arabs have done that for the last 75 years. Europe and the USA may temporary turn against Israel but that will not last. Your idea is a fantasy that is not grounded in real life experience.
If you are rooting for Israel to “lose” in Gaza, remember that the more IDF soldiers get killed the more Israel will flatten Gaza. So Israel losing, and that may happen, is going be very bad for Gaza.
My hope is that Hamas frees the hostages, Israel leaves Gaza and Gaza becomes its own nation free of being ruled by others.
UNR 181 remains the best hope for a peaceful and secure Jewish State. The Likud’s strategy of creating-facts-on-the-ground has failed miserably
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I am waiting with baited breath for the chickens to come home tom roost.
If Israel does not go Nuclear in the coming big war they will get their ass kicked and lose most of the lands they have stolen.
What big war is coming?
You know, the one where “many Americans” have already overthrown “Zionism”, “the media” and declared some kind of vague hazy supremacist ethnostate where political contributions will be outlawed and America will be for Americans! Just kidding, the whole “logic-line” is honestly best described as just really dumb, best to realize it is and not pay too much attention to it afterwards.
In the US we supposedly have separation of Church and State. But the hard core religious right supports Israel 1000%.
Here you again talk about election and which You have any idea about. In 2006 the US and Israel demanded that an election be held in Gaza and the occupied territories to elect a Palestinian government. The US poured so much money in support of their Palestinian stooges . Despite all the money and huge publicity the US provided, the Palestinian people decided differently and Hamas won the election. The US and Israel couldn’t handle their loss gracefully. They reneged on their promises to respect and accept the election result. They instead refused to honor their obligations and commitment. They refused and cancelled the election results. Stop pretending that you’re so much concerned about election.
After the “election” (there were absolutely significant claims of voter intimidation done by Hamas during this period, accusations they then attempted to put down forcefully), Hamas continued to commit terrorism and acts of genocide against Israel, after which Israel was subsequently required to continue its counter-terrorism and anti-genocide operations that take every reasonable measure to prevent civilian casualties in order to protect its population from these unjustifiable attacks. However, you appear to be attempting to deflect from the clear, concise, and supported point I have actually made though, as I am pointing out that for well over a decade after their “victory”, Hamas never held elections again, as such hardly meeting the definition of a “representative” government for the “Palestinian” people. If you want to declare that “representation” would be irrelevant, thats fine, but then you will also subsequently have to be “fine” with Israel actually maintaining dedicated security controls as well as forces in the “occupied territories” for the foreseeable future. As they should.
Total falsehood.
Your verbiage reminds me of the garbage coming from Donald Trump.No man or woman can commit a great sin.
I’m assuming you meant “greater”. But no, knowing that the U.S. election was absolutely legitimate due to the overwhelming amount of evidence and reasoning that proves such would not invalidate the fact that there were credible allegations a terrorist and genocidal organization used threats and coercion to attempt to achieve their goals. These allegations are especially credible given Hamas currently using coercion and threats of violence to attempt to prevent civilians from fleeing what appears to be becoming a conflict-zone, something that has been well-documented and observed. https://youtu.be/kaK4muqkRBE
“Ceasefire. Negotiate secular democracy” Like all wars a ceasefire will happen some day. Secular democracy will never happen. Why would Israel agree to that?
A religious state has not brought happiness and peace. US and Israel are becoming isolated and living in hate.
So, how will that cause Israel after 75 hard years of fighting to just give up?
I’m thinking US/Israel will lose in Gaza and US/Nato is already losing in Ukraine.
Did you see the video immediately above?
Most of the world sees Israel as grotesque. Shunned and shamed by the world spreads like repugnant goo over US Capitalism
BDS US/Israel. Russia and China make great cars etc.
And this is going to cause Israel to just quit and become a secular state? It is not going to happen. Israel will survived being shunned. They been shunned by the Arabs and a lot of world for 75 years. Israel won three major wars by countries that were determine to destroy Israel. And now you think that world opinion is going to cause Israel to be secular? Israel has fought too many battles and lost too many people to allow world opinion to change the fabric of Israel.
You make good sense. For me the question is whether humans can passively witness Israeli atrocities and remain human. Shunning is probably psychological self defense from this perspective. I raise trees for a future when humans distracted by war have let collapse of the environment becomes inevitable. Patient trees will feed little creatures missed by capitalist wars for financial gain. Eons will go by and all human history will be buried by new top soil.
Israel is doing the civilian killings, but Hamas is winning the war…!
If you mean Hamas is winning the war by trading Palestinians lives for public opinion. Than I agree. Now how many Palestinians must die for a Hamas to have a victory?
Hamas just has to survive to win, public opinion has turned because people cant stomach the brutality if the Israeli’s.
When the dust settles Netanyahu will be arrested for mass murder, abuse of power and corruption.
Ain’t going to happen in our lifetime.
“”It’s our view that a ceasefire now would simply leave Hamas in place and able to regroup and repeat what it did on October 7,” Blinken said.”
So, perhaps next time Israel should actually man the small border with Gaza and use its vaunted tech to stop an actual attack, rather than allowing a “new 911”?
I agree completely with your second paragraph. Israel needs to strengthen that border and close it completely. Israel allow many (reported 18,000) Palestinians living in Gaza to work in Israel. Clearly a small percentage of them were spies for Hamas.
His second paragraph stated Israel allowed the attack to happen. Good for you for agreeing with him.
“Israel allowed the attack to happen” Yes they did by being sloppy. That attack joins a long list of surprise attacks in history.
“…and partly because, aides say, Biden himself has a personal attachment to Israel.”
Oh jeez. How much did you or Hunter get in terms of financial “donation” then ? Did you get Hunter an(other) executive job for which he’s unqualified, in some Israeli energy or defense firm ?
Israel is not out to destroy Hamas. Israel is out to eliminate the Palestinian people! Hamas serves as a “good excuse.”
And the really sad thing is that Biden is in on it.
According to The Washington Post, the US is not conditioning military aid or using other leverage it has over Israel because it “would be so politically unpopular in any administration and partly because, aides say, Biden himself has a personal attachment to Israel.”
Dead children or votes? Priorities.
That idiot running this country into the ground has been counting votes for 50 years.
I do wonder how many US citizens who were visiting in Gaza have been killed by the bombing; reportedly there were over 1000 US citizens in the strip at the time the bombings started. The media seems curiously incurious.
I doubt we’ll ever get a count anyway; if HAMAS kills a US citizen, it’s a front page atrocity; when Israel kills some, it gets buried. So clearly there is a hierarchy; US > HAMAS, US < IDF.
Well put Javy
It’s the height of irony a country settled & founded by religious refugees is now, 3 years from it’s semiquincentennial, supporting with money and arms the Israeli ethnostate in it’s Zionist project to rid itself of the Palestinians.
Historians will likely pronounce Gaza the final nail in the coffin of the city on the hill.
Of course they aren’t close to destroying Hamas. And if they managed to kill every single Hamas leader and fighter it wouldn’t result in an Israeli victory. You can’t kill ideas with bombs and you can’t kill the spirit of resistance of oppressed and occupied people without killing them all.
It’s likely that Israel is creating, with this vile, savage, genocidal onslaught, more resistance fighters than it could ever kill, including many who are too young to fight right now and many more yet to be born.
“has not Come Close to” is becoming “has Gone Far from”….!
At some point US has to put a stop to this nonsense if they want Biden to be reelected…!
It does not matter who gets elected in the US. It will make no difference. Israel and the US are tied together head and foot. It has always been so except for a brief period.
It matters to DemoRats…!
Nothing is going to change in the US. The rich will never stop screwing the working class and minorities until hell freezes over. That is the mantra of Capitalism . Power and profit over everything else including the welfare of our population.
I agree, but I was referring to election…!
The working class are suicidal. They support and allow the elites to mass murder them at will.
Until the working class wake up nothing will change it will only get more killed.
When they do wake up the elites will flee for their lives.
Ya know, what are the options, realistically, for most people, in this regard Doom? Most people are trapped by this incredibly flawed system… Revolution?…
Beyond that? People need to be led and by whom….
I opted out a long, long time ago and did fairly well, simply due to some creative abilities, which enabled me to skirt the system.
A lot of people out there simply do not have the options, at least, not at this point…
Revolution is inevitable. NATO versus the working class. WEF’s agenda is massive depopulation. The Dance Macabre will go on.
Israel is purchasing 24,000 machine guns to hand out to the settlers in West Bank. Unbelievable, the mass murder goes on.
I assume there will be a background check & 7-day waiting period. And semiautomatics only, with a 9-round magazine limit & no “after market” mods purchased from gun shows.
Charlton Hestonberg would approve entirely.
Hamas has medical facilities underground, They do not go to the hospitals being bombed…….Israel knows this…….so why are they bombing hospitals?
Because terrorist and genocidal organizations like Hamas hide their weapons, equipment and personnel in civilian infrastructure oftentimes through either coercion or without consent in order to influence the media and the general world. If Hamas commits additional terrorism and acts of genocide after purposefully attempting to cause the unfortunate incidents you mentioned they continue to bear full responsibility for those actions the same way they do and will continue to for every casualty caused by this conflict-of-choice. To give you an analogy: a school shooter does not have a right to self-defense if some of his classmates are shot while law enforcement are attempting to eliminate him due to him attempting to hide in a densely populated area while he actively tries to prevent his classmates from freeing for his own personal benefit. And if you don’t believe Hamas would be actively engaging in these activities it is very well documented:
https://youtu.be/kaK4muqkRBE
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Israel has no right to self defense, they are occupiers, the occupied have a right to resistance. You can turn truth on its head but it wont wash with me.
We all need to understand that Antiwar is not Anti war. If it was it too would be banned. Its just another fascist publication doing the job of controlled opposition.
It censors in support of war and genocide just like all the others.
What?
Liar.
While I’m not particularly supportive of the original response, thats a very aggressive and not very informative “response”. If you’d wish to express that opinion and perhaps not come off poorly you can feel free to elaborate, although I have a feeling you might not, given that your “responses” typically appear to hyper-fixate on one or two lines or just veer off into an unsupported unsubstantiated personal accusation that appears to convince very few reasonable individuals.
What’s there to elaborate on?
Antiwar.com doesn’t censor, if for no other reason than that because it has no power to censor. And, unlike Sternz, Antiwar.com opposes war.
Sternz is a liar, and sometimes when he lies I mention that he’s a liar (not all the time, because there aren’t enough hours in the day) .
He was clearly referring to “censorship” in the context of presenting a space as if it would be a public square, yet subsequently removing or heavily editing people who’d attempt to express their thoughts and opinions in such a forum (I can vouch for this, one of my “comments” was permanently removed despite appearing to have broken none of the site rules you once posted). Additionally, thoughts on where an organization could be leaning politically are just that, opinions, and as such cannot be “lies” given their removal from logic and reason. Personally, I just feel like even if you disagree with someone they can be treated with at-least somewhat more respect than you were demonstrating.
“Additionally, thoughts on where an organization could be leaning
politically are just that, opinions, and as such cannot be ‘lies’ . . .”
That’s true. But a statement claimed to be one of fact can be a lie, and when the individual making the statement is known to have more than enough knowledge and experience to know the truth, it isn’t unreasonable to call a false claim a lie.
Doom Sternz wrote, above, “It [Antiwar.com] censors in support of war and genocide just like all the others.” That’s a claim of fact and it’s demonstrably not true. And Doom Sternz either knows or ought to know it’s not true.
Knapp’s accusation that the poster is lying is a reasonable one under the circumstances, especially considering that Knapp is the moderator, is generally known to be honest, and knows whether or not he’s censoring in support of war and genocide.
You’re entitled to feel any way you like.
Mr. Sternz has a long pro-war (Russian variant) record here, as well as a long record of lying about what this site does and why. The former doesn’t violate our guidelines, and the latter only does so if it damages the site’s ability to operate. But I’m not required to pretend he isn’t what he is.
Obama started the war in 2014 when he overthrew the government and started an ethnic cleansing campaign in the Donbass. The Supreme International crime, and a crime that you have to go back to the Nazi’s for a historical reference.
Obama had planned for an uprising in the Donbass after his coup and a Rand Corporation document (you want a copy) set out the 3 step process to subjugate the ethnic Russians. prior to the events, which included concentration camps.
I get you are selling the Russia is the aggressor narrative which is a total pack of lies and actually pro-war. Funnily enough we now see an ethnic cleansing campaign in Gaza which mimicked the Rand Corporation document including concentration camps and again the historical reference would be the Nazi’s in WW2.
Exactly how you can say i am pro-war i have no eye deer. By all means disagree with me but to call me a liar is beneath you and this publication. You are all for the government narrative and hence pro war. If you were otherwise you would have been shutdown like all the actual antiwar sites have been. ie Antiwar is state controlled, censorship aligns with corporate and government goals, in support of continued war where all the money is to be made.
I can provide details and substantial evidence for everything i have said. You however may have to prove your Liar statement even though you refuse too.
The irony here of course is the names of the protagonists, Yatsenyuk, Poroshenko, Zelenski, Netanyahu……guess what they all have in common.
Mr. Doom makes things up. Like claiming that Russia destroyed 100s of Nato aircraft, just to name one.
“Antiwar.com doesn’t censor: you have censored me many times. And what you censored was to silence my opposition to war and genocide. Truth you know will get the publication in trouble, because you cant be antiwar and you know it. this publication cant process certain truths. Exactly who is the liar?
You have taken your job to disgusting personal insults. You know what i typed that you banned ( censored) was the truth. The honest reply would have been to say to me, “i just cant let that through”.
I am fiercely Antiwar, i make no apologies for it, but that is why you are in conflict with me, you are not anti war and neither is this publication.