The Israeli military has said 16 Israeli soldiers have been killed fighting in Gaza since Israel launched its invasion of the besieged enclave.
Clashes were reported in several parts of the northern Gaza Strip on Wednesday as the Israeli military claimed it broke through Hamas’ first line of defenses in the area.
“The ground operation is progressing as planned,” said Israeli military spokesman Daniel Hagari. “With advance planning, precise intelligence, and joint attacks [from the land, air, and sea], our forces broke through Hamas’s front lines of defense in the north of the Gaza Strip.”
For their part, Hamas has said its fighters are inflicting heavy casualties and claimed the Israeli death toll is higher than what Israel is reporting. According to The Palestine Chronicle, Al-Qassam Brigades, the armed wing of Hamas, said it has been able to take out many Israeli armored vehicles.
Israeli airstrikes continued to pound the besieged enclave on Wednesday as the death toll continues to grow. Gaza’s Health Ministry said Wednesday that 8,805 Palestinians, including 3,658 children, have been killed since Israel unleashed its bombing campaign.
The IDF can’t win an asymmetric war of attrition. The mobilization of 300,000 Israeli troops is equivalent to mobilizing 15 million Americn troops. In a protracted war Israeli society would unravel. All the wars the IDF fought were over in a few weeks except for Lebanon where Israel lost badly.
It’s baffling why the Likud refuses a ceasefire. A long hot war is defiantly not in Israel’s interest. Both Hamas and Hezbollah planned for a long war of attrition.
Blind Rage seems to be driving the Likud’s strategy.
To extort 14 billion, the theater of war must be alive and continuous. Otherwise, even an imbecile may wisen up to that request.
Not baffling at all. As long as Hamas holds the hostages, Israel will continue to bomb and attack Gaza. It is war of wills at this point. A ceasefire will occur someday of course, but not till the hostages problem is resolved.
Do you actually think that Israel wouldn’t have done what they are doing if Hamas had immediately released the hostages? The hostages are an excuse to continue on. After that, it will be something else.
I’m not sure what Israel would have done if Hamas didn’t take hostages. But I am sure is that Israel is not going to quit the war as long as Hamas holds hostages. I am also equally sure if the hostages get killed, Israel will increase their level of attacks.
They’d be doing exactly what they are doing now. And they aren’t going to “quit” the war until Uncle Sam cuts them off. And that sure as fuck isn’t going to happen.
“…if Hamas had immediately released the hostages”
I don’t think the hostages matter. They’re acceptable losses. I am reasonably sure that if one approached PM Netanyahu and said “how many innocent Israeli lives would you trade for carte blanche to exterminate all Palestinians”, the number would be shockingly high.
Same too with Biden and his neolibs. “How many American civilians would you trade in a ‘9/11 II : Dirty Bomb Boogaloo’ for a free nuclear first-strike (which you assume would defeat them in one fell swoop) against the RF, DPRC, or IRI ?”
Sky would be the limit.
Only if those questions were asked and no one was going see the answer.
I’m sorry, yes, indeed. I should have said as much, perhaps thought it implicit, but yes.
If in private and only with one’s conscience as witness, I have no doubt those two leaders (likely a bunch more in this world too) would immediately make that deal.
I believe the genocidal bombing would intensify if Hamas released all the Israeli and American POWs and hostages.
You think the Likud is ready to excshnge the 5,000 Arab civilian prisoners they hold for the 150 IDF prisoners Hamas holds ?
The longer this battle remains active the worse off for the IDF.
IDF conscripts are getting pummeled in the North and South. It’s much worse than 2006 and 2014.
Blind rage has driven Likud and his supporters for over 30 years.
Add to the fact that Netanyahu and his wife will probably go to jail if there is a cease fire because Netanyahu’s lunatics have outlived their usefulness to the Ashkenazi elite who founded and still want to control the Zionist movement.
Kinda like the way the US elite switches from Republicans to Democrats, the Israeli elite supports hard line leaders like Netanyahu and then alternates them with Zionists who engage in a phony peace process like Camp David and Oslo while the settlements continue to expand.When the Palestinians mount a resistance, the Zionist elites call in their crazies. But like Nixon in the USA, Netanyahu lost his credibility and the power brokers need to replace him with a right winger with less baggagre.
A long war is indeed not good for Israel. But it is very bad for Gaza. If this goes on for 3 months care to estimate the death toll in Gaza. Maybe 50,000 more? Not a good situation for either side.
Like the residents of the Warsaw Ghetto, the Palestinians in Gaza feel they have no choice. The 16 year siege was a genocidal crime against humanity that the world ignored.
In the end there will be one state with for Palestinians, Christians and former Zionists who are willing to live in an Arab majority state, accept responsibility and make reparations for Zionist crimes against the indigenous Palestinians.
I don’t see your one state solution happening. Why would it? Israel is not going to agree to that and as a nuclear armed nations, they can’t be forced into that situation.
I suggest you meditate on meaning of the word “protracted.”
There will be no peace in Palestine until the indigenous people have their full rights from the river to the sea.
If protracted mean 100s of years, who knows? But for the foreseeable future, your one state solution is not happening. If that means a lack of peace in the area, that is price Israel has been paying for 75 years and will continue to pay in the future.
But for fun, tell me how your one state solution would happen?
The Palestinian people will decide how long and how hard to struggle for self determination. Same as the Ukrainians, the Vietnamese, the Irish, the Afghans or the Algerians.
The determination of the Palestinians does not indicate a path to a one state solution. So I ask again, how would this happen? I just don’t see a path to a one state solution. Two states maybe, but one no.
Israel reports 16 Israeli soldiers KIA. Hezbollah reports 120 Israeli troops KIA. https://southfront.press/israel-multi-front-war-heats-up/
Claims and counter-claims. Let the baloney start flying.
Unless I see live TV of the body count and audited by UN, I’m not accepting these numbers.
Until then, you may want to see these clips from Tantura: https://twitter.com/i/status/1719975219274887572
Or this: https://youtu.be/rteB5T4hwVY?si=ZeiaIty12igW0SN9
Or this: https://youtu.be/HNtrUjUNkJw?si=oQQx6L-FfCTN9ZB5
Why? Historically the IDF has reported their deaths accurately. Unlike Russia, it is hard to hide the real number in a small democratic society with a free press.
Israeli doesn’t have a free press. All journalists working in Israel have to be credentialed by the Government Press Office and all articles on “potentially controversial topics” must be approved by a military censor prior to publication.
While Israel does not have a free press like USA does, it is pretty good. So I still maintain that Israel could not hide significant IDF losses from its citizens be4cause of its news organizations.
Israel couldn’t hide significant IDF losses because it’s a small country and the families of casualties would get together and do the math, not because it has a free press. Last year it ranked 86th in the Reporters Without Borders World Press Freedom Index. It’s just a typical Middle East ethno-religious garrison state.
Those ranking goes up and down every year. In 2004, Israel was ranked as high as 44. What does not change is Israel consistency in out scoring the surrounding countries. Anyway, regardless of the reason, Israel has a strong record of not hiding its losses. I think we both agree on that.
But thanks for comment, I did learn more about Israel press and I thought it was more aligned with Western values than it is. Something for them to work on.
“Israel has a strong record of not hiding its losses. I think we both agree on that.”
Yes. I see two reasons for it:
1) While the formal press is censored, the population is highly tech-literate and cosmopolitan — lots of connections to friends and relatives outside the country. Word would quickly get around if they were hiding casualty counts; and
2) Whether one takes it as sincere or not, advertising every casualty and every hostage works well with the Israeli narrative. And they’re not alone in that. The Palestinians do it as well. They make a point of personalizing it and portraying the lives of their people as valuable. Americans tend to think that way in the aggregate, not nearly as personally unless they actually knew the person killed or captured.
See! I told you all the Palestinians are terrorist criminals. They killed 16 Israeli “Defense” Soldiers! They don’t understand “Democracy and Freedom!” They refuse to believe God is on Israel’s side. We showed them all the paperwork and they still refuse to believe God’s words and all his promises. (It would be Sarcasm if it weren’t exactly what Zionists and the majority of the US population actually believe)
“They refuse to believe God is on Israel’s side.”
I think the IDF has a statement to that effect on their belt-buckles.
You think wrong.
It’s the fault of the IDF Wardrobe Department. Or their careful work.
I still cannot fathom, why WAR CRIMES charges, are not being put forward….
What do expect Israel to do when 1400 of its citizens are tortured and butchered to death? Go to the UN?
What did you expect the state of Oklahoma to do when 168 of its citizens died in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing ? Go to the FBI ?
My answer is also ‘Yes’. We defer to The Rule of Law, and extant legal and justice systems, before anything else.
Self-authorised vengeance sets a dangerous open precedent.
And what would be the equal of the FB I in the Oct 7 attack? Or the equal of the FBI in Pearl Harbor attack?
Oct 7 ? The UN to investigate.
Pearl Harbour ? Still the FBI, and a Senate Investigation Committee, asking the Executive Branch “what did you know and when did you know it ?” As we have research now suggesting answers that, even now, people don’t like.
And after the UN investigates, then what? Is UN going to go into Gaza and arrested the 1000s of Hamas fighters that attack the civilians?
Who alleges that “1000s” perpetrated the Oct 7 attacks ?
And to that end (as an aside), how did the IDF and Mossad manage to let “1000s” of Hamassian commandoes slip across the Gaza-prison fences and back again ?
A lot of dead Hamas fighters tell you that attack was done my a large number of Hamas troops. And yes Israel mess up big time on security. This attack joins a long list of surprised attacks in history.
We d not know if all the perpetrators of the Oklahoma crime were brought to justice.However,in theory,the FBI serves the American public.In practice,the UN repeatedly failed to act against anti Israel terror-so fork the UN.
“We do not know if all the perpetrators of the Oklahoma crime were brought to justice.”
They weren’t.
The FBI of late (and do consider Judge Napolitano’s essays on the topic) serves the ogliarchy. Generally Democrats, but a master is a master, donkey or elephant.
The UN is dominated by one nation in particular, irony considering that same nation’s pointed absence from the League of Nations doomed its effectiveness as well.
We either come together and negotiate and talk, or Might Makes Right. I support a reformed UN that hears and treats every member state equally. And a flawed UN is like a half-evolved eye; it’s still better than nothing.
Killing 9000 is not the answer.
Israel has killed far more than hamas.
War crimes are not the answer.
http://www.ifamericansknew.org
What do you expect the Palestinians to do after even more of their citizens have been tortured and put to death? Go to to the UN?
I expect them to stop killing their own people. In their zeal to cover the shame of incompetence, they’ve forsaken the one legitimate duty they have – to protect their own..
What did Britain do when 91 people died in the King David Hotel terrorist bombing by IRGUN in 1946 Jerusalem? Did they not obliterate Tel Aviv killing hundreds of Jewish civilians, including children? Part of the “tragedy of War”.
It wouldn’t make much difference, Donna. The only real possibilities for filing charges and trying cases would be the International Criminal Court and courts in some nations, e.g., Spain, with laws providing for universal jurisdiction.
Israel doesn’t recognize the jurisdiction of the ICC. Palestine does and that court has been conducting war crimes investigations of Israeli attacks in Gaza for years. But the ICC only prosecutes individuals accused of crimes and there’s no chance that Israel would cooperate or permit its citizens or officials to be brought before the court or punished by order of the court.
A national legal system, such as Spain’s, might bring and try charges, but it wouldn’t result in any effective results or sanctions.
The bottom line is that, for as long as the US and its allies enable and defend Israel’s war crimes, Israel and its war criminals are safe from meaningful liability or consequences.
“But the ICC only prosecutes individuals accused of crimes and there’s no chance that Israel would cooperate or permit its citizens or officials to be brought before the court or punished by order of the court”
I’d mentioned something to this effect in a different thread, and our goodly Mod pointed out to me that other ICC-member countries are obliged to enforce capture-and-rendition warrants against ICC fugitives within member states’ territory.
Even if Israeli government officials won’t give themselves up to trial – they’d not be able to travel many places without fear of arrest.
The record on compliance with that obligation is decidedly mixed. Whether countries actually arrest and render fugitives is dependent on internal political and international relations matters. There may be some nations that would arrest, say, Netanyahu or a senior IDF commander for rendition to the ICC, but I’m willing to bet there aren’t many.
Mmm. Good point. But the fear of arrest is palpable – even President Putin held off on a BRICS-related trip to RF-friendly South Africa for that reason. And anyone trying to arrest him would gave to go through he himself (a formidable martial artist in his own right), let alone Russian bodyguards who are tougher’n coffin-nails…!
Meanwhile,Pinochet was released.
The U.S. and Israel are not signatories to the ICC.
That’s true. I noted above that Israel doesn’t accept jurisdiction. Nor does the US, but that’s not directly relevant to this exchange.
The ICC does have jurisdiction, though, because Palestine is an observer member and the alleged crimes are being committed on Palestinian territory.
Sadly, though, there’s no likelihood that the ICC could do anything that would matter very much.
If the ICC issues arrest warrants, the subjects of those warrants face arrest if they travel to ICC member states. I’m sure I’ve heard about some guy being inconvenienced by that recently. His name’s right on the tip of my tongue …
There isn’t a chance in the world that South Africa would have arrested Putin. As Ramaphosa said, that would have amounted to a declaration of war on Russia and would have made SA efforts to engage in a peace process impossible.
There are some countries that would no doubt like to arrest Israeli officials or commanders using an ICC warrant as cover. But those countries probably don’t want to be seen as declaring war on Israel. And there are many more countries that wouldn’t even consider arresting Israelis on an ICC warrant. After all, there isn’t a meaningful thing the ICC could do to punish a failure or refusal.
It wouldn’t happen. And I suspect you know it wouldn’t happen.
“There isn’t a chance in the world that South Africa would have arrested Putin.”
Probably true. They’d likely just have ordered his plane off of South Africa’s tarmac and out of their airspace if he landed there, without entering the plane so they could pretend they didn’t know he was there. But they saved each other the embarrassment by them asking him not to come and him agreeing.
The word “could” is prevalent about the discussion of war crimes by Israel.
Because “war crimes” allegations are a tool of the US to make Russia look bad?
16 down, 299,984 to go.
C’mon Hamas, pick up the pace!
Yes,die faster for no good reason.
Take your own advice, creep.
He might have been saying it in German : ” dee fashter “, which loosely translates to “the faster”.
What else to expect from a Putin’s war supporter in antiwar.com? Same person supports Hamas.
There are those who support Putin also support Hamas. What they have in common is a dislike for the USA and thus they support anyone who is against the USA.
So I guess you do have a dog in this fight, liar.
There are those who support Hamas who also support the Ukrainian resistance. What they have in common is a respect for self determination of indigenous people and a revulsion against all forms of imperialism.
Fixed, no charge.
We’ll going to disagree on that one.
I support the Palestinian cause but not Hamas.
And if you support the Palestinians and/or Hamas which is the majority here, I find it very interesting that those same folks side with Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.
Common denominator like Tim B said, is hatred for the USA.
hatred for the USA.
The Empire – NOT the Republic.
I agree that many commenters on this site are consistently anti-US.
I try to consistently support self determination of oppressed people.
That means I am anti imperialist.
Most of the time I oppose US imperialism because US imperialism is the greatest impediment to human progress and self-actualization in the present era.
However, in unusual cases like Ukraine, US imperialism for its own selfish interests supports a national resistance movement that opposes Russian imperialism which has oppressed Ukrainians for centuries, much like the way the British oppressed the Irish. Like Noam Chomsky and the late Dan Ellsberg, I support the right of the Ukrainian people to resist Russian imperialism even though for most of the world’s people US imperialism remains the main obstacle to liberation. I am in good company on this one.
As for Hamas, they have grown from a sectarian fundamentalist fringe group opposing the concessions made by Fatah and the PLO in the 1980’s to a genuine national liberation movement that operates clinics, schools , medical facilities, welfare agencies and which has won the support of the majority of the Palestinian people. If elections were held there is no doubt that Hamas would win in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, as well as Gaza. And that is the reason Israel and the PA have not allowed elections since Hamas’ victory in 2006. Hamas won 76 seats Hamas supporters won an additional 4 seats and Fatah won only 43 seats in that election. The Palestinian people have chosen to resist Zionist colonialism. I respect their choice.
I’m anti-US, Shmi. And I will be – until the USA stops doing, encouraging, lying about, and openly supporting dumb and evil s**t all over this planet we live on.
We know that. You are the majority here. That’s why you side with Russia even thought the Ukrainian cause is legit.
Meaning you are not objective.
I’m not a journalist. I don’t claim to be. Therefore, I don’t need to be ‘objective’.
I follow where the facts and evidence lead me. Even if that’s someplace I don’t like. Most of the time, it leads me to somewhere toward which I am indifferent – I neither “like” nor “dislike” what it tells me. I just accept it as reality – as a rational person should.
And in the absence of facts or evidence on a subject, I consider to be “true” that information which best comports with observed reality.
If facts or evidence later come to light, and are verifiable and can be considered the best information yet gathered, that fact and evidence will lead me to a new understanding.
Oh i got your point.
Just saying, we disagree on the Hamas department. I now have them right there with ISIS. And the event of Oct 7 erased any slim chance of me giving them the benefit of the doubt which i had started to.
There is a big difference between Hamas, the Taliban, ISIS or Al Qaeda. ISIS and Al Qaeda have never been able to win the hearts and minds of oppressed people in territory they conquered. People hate being ruled by them except for some jihadist fanatics. So ISIS folded when it was attacked and the US quickly defeated Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. But the indigenous Taliban had a lot of support among the Afghan people and they resisted the US invasion and were eventually victorious. In my opinion the Taliban are reactionary backward fundamentalists. But I recognize that they have strong roots among the Afghan people.
Hamas started out as a fundamentalist sectarian fringe group that opposed the concessions the PLO and Fatah were making to the US and the Zionists in the 1980’s. But as the duplicity of the US and the Zionists was revealed, Hamas gained support. In 2006, the last fair Palestinian election, Hamas won 74 seats, Fatah won only 45 seats. The Israeli and the PA have refused to hold elections since 2006 because it is obvious that Hamas’ popularity has grown. If elections were held today Hamas would win strong majorities in the West Bank as well as Gaza and East Jerusalem . Since the 1980’s Hamas has matured from a sectarian fringe group to a genuine national liberation movement that has won the hearts and minds of a majority of the Palestinian people. Hamas operates clinics, schools, welfare agencies, and conducts diplomatic relations with other countries. They are legit.
Thw Ukraine is not an unusual case. It is yet another war ginned up by the USA, as part of its world domination agenda. Indeed, right now, it is the centerpiece of the programme to implement that agenda. Anyone with even a modicum of intelligence can see that the USA pushed a deliberate policy of provocation and expansion, and the construction of a neo “cordon sanitaire, ” against and around Russia. Kept poking them until they got right up their a$$es, and then acted all suprised and self righteous when, finally, the Russian struck back (and I would add, even though they struck back in a way, despite all the lies, designed to minimize the harm to civilians). For some reason, though, you can’t see it. Whether you are a paid propagandist, a Ukranian partisan, or just incapable of learning, I can’t say. I can say though, that I am now blocking you. In fact, I have now blocked all the pro Ukie voices in this comment section. If you are pro the USA’s war against Russia you are NOT antiwar, and in my opinion, you don’t belong here. I can’t kick you out, but I can refuse to engage with you any longer. Good bye.
boilerplate
I don’t think you have to support Hamas to oppose carpet bombing residential areas and implementing a blockade that requires doctors to amputate the limbs of kids without anesthesia to avoid deadly infections
Israel has not “carpet bomb” Gaza. As for the blockade, Israel has stopped all commerce going to Gaza via Israel. Surely you can’t blame them for that decision after Oct 7. Gaza can get aid via Egypt. Why is it happening slowly is between Egypt and Hamas.
You don’t have to “carpet bomb” an area the size of a postage stamp.
Evidently you have not seen the pictures of Gaza.
I have seen the pictures and it not “carpet bombing”. It is clearly targeted bombing as opposed to “carpet bombing”. See the picture of Toky0 or Berlin at the end of the war to see what carpet bombing does to a city. If Israel was to “carpet bomb” Gaza city the dead toll would be in the 100,000s. But that is not going to happen. To begin with Israel does not have the number of airplanes needed to conduct a carpet bombing.
Now I’m not saying the air assault on Gaza is not brutal, it is. What I’m saying is it not carpet bombing.
Evidently, you didn’t see what happened on 7 Oct.
You do, but conveniently choose to ignore.
Another US hater who live in America.
Oh, but I have seen some pictures from October 7th. There are extremists on the Israeli side as well as the Palestinian side. I am at least able to realize that there are two sides to this ugly story, something you are incapable of.
If Gazans could turn over the Hamas war criminals,then bombing would stop. Hamas has set back the Palestinian cause.
“If Gazans could turn over the Hamas war criminals,then bombing would stop.”
Nope. The Israeli gov’t would claim “you didn’t give us ALL of them”, never state ‘who else’ they sought, and continue to play out that recent policy doc seeking the ethnic cleansing of Gaza.
The Zios don’t give a damn about Hamas except as an excuse to murder Palestinians in droves… That was their purpose for creating it in the first place.
Have you considered that people in support of the RF or the Palestinian cause might just hate (neo-)Naziism ?
‘Cause I d-e-s-p-i-s-e neo-Naziism (gooshe-stepping moronsh should try READING booksh inshtead of BURNING them) so anyone that takes the fight to racist and/or Aryan supremacist dipsh*ts gets my support.
Neither Ukraine or Israel are Nazis.
Incorrect. The Ukraine fields the only military with an openly neo-Nazi regiment within it. Many ministers and officials within its government are known Banderites; this very website has detailed the facts since 2012 at least. The Ukraine has staunchly voted against all proposed resolutions in the UN General Assembly to denounce the glorification of Naziism (to sleep better tonight, don’t look up who else opposed this motion)
The Israeli government has, for many years now (decidedly under Netanyahu, Likud et. al.) taken on a stance towards Palestinians in occupied territories, and Arabs within Israel Proper, that even the most lenient sociologist or historian would not hesitate to compare directly to the Third Reich with notable dismay.
Fun fact: did you know The Russia has exponentially more neo nazis than Ukraine?
No, otherwise you wouldn’t been making those claims.
Oh, did you know the founder of Wagner was a neo nazi?
Oh yeah, he named it Wargner for a reason. Had nazi tattoos and posed more than once for photos with Putin in the Kremlin. And Wagner is full of neo nazis russian mercs.
BTW, you guys embraced that Kremlin nazi BS off the bat last year and went with it.
Do you how many captured super dangerous “neo nazi” Azov fighters have been released in prisoner exchanges?
Dont google it, you’ll feel stupid.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c16404fe4ef437bf2952c31320ca890127ac336edea2560a06f6e7ecda1ceb0e.jpg
Fun fact – so long as we’re trading irrelevant anecdotes :
About 3.3 billion birds are killed in North America every year. About 234,000 were killed by wind turbines – a number crowed about (pardon pun) by fossil-fuel fanbois to ‘prove’ that wind (among other renewables) are ‘harmful’ and Totally Fine Crude Oil is the only way.
What they neglect to mention is domestic cats. They kill EXPONENTIALLY MORE birds – about 2.4 billion.
Russia has exponentially more people, resources, houses, cars, cosmonauts, nuclear weapons, nifty hats, trees, and NES ‘Tetris’ cartridges, than Ukraine has.
See how trotting out your Word of the Day Calendar vocab booster (“exponential”) means nothing ?
It would if the RF had “exponentially more” neo-Nazis highly placed in government.
They don’t.
It would if the RF had “exponentially more” official neo-Nazi units in their military.
They don’t.
It would if the RF had “exponentially more” streets, statues, and memorials dedicated to Nazis.
They don’t.
Ukraine HAS those things. Your limp “Whataboutism” does not refute my facts. Do so, or concede the point, Donald.
You are so full of it. You are such a liar.
Fuking phony.
And again, you like to talk like you have ALL the facts but can’t even get one right.
Ok, im done with you.
You are another closet hater here.
No, it’s true. Here’s the Fish & Wildlife Service data (as at 2017) :
https://www.fws.gov/library/collections/threats-birds
And I don’t hate cats. We have two. Black ones. Kind of morons, these cats, but well-meaning, generally.
And how are you “done with” me, Donald ? By math, I’m one of the closest people you have to a friend on here. Strange as that sounds.
Half of the Users on this site have Blocked you already.
Most of the other half either laugh at you behind their hands, and/or openly insult you.
There’s a couple Donald Clones (Tequila Secundus, or Jose Cuervo as I might also call him) that really just absently parrot or nod blankly at your statements. But what are those to you but echoes ?
No, I’m talking with you because I actually want to understand you. Your point-of-view is so disconnected and alien from what even a casual devotee of antiwar.com should have pieced together from articles therewithin, that I almost want to compose a Doctoral Thesis based on you and your world-view.
I could fawn over the litany of like-minded Commenters on here, but, why ? I understand how and why they think as they do.
You, though, Donald ? You’re an undiscovered land mass, a new species – Hells, perhaps even a new Order (on the biological hierarchy of Linnaeus). Ever fascinating, ever presenting new and inexplicable “hot takes” on how Putin and Russia connect to any given topic, while strenuously avoiding how the USA creates the problems behind EVERY given topic.
Don’t go away angry, Donald. And don’t go away ! You’re like my own SETI@home project; small, unused portions of my brain-power quietly farm solutions to and explanations for the quandary your opinions create on here.
You’ve just lost ALL credibility – assuming you ever had any to begin with.
When someone calls citizens of Israel Nazis, they are one who lose credibility.
Not their citizens – the policies of their elected and appointed officials. Huge difference.
Good to know that you understand how foolish it is to call the people of Israel Nazis.
Neither foolish nor wise to do so.
“Unnecessary” is the word.
The issue I have with the Apartheid State of Israel LLC, is entirely with its government. And by proxy, the heavy-handed actions of the IDF.
The citizens and/or their religion, are entirely absent from my opinion on the A.S.I. I believe the citizenry to be as much a victim of their bad government as the average American is of theirs.
Nazi is as Nazi does. When someone acts as an apologist for the Zionist onslaught against Palestine, it is they who have lost, not only their credibility but their very soul.
Look who’s talking, A Putin’s war supporter. And someone Wishing more Israeli soldiers die.
Like you fuking had any credibility.
Sicko
The war was never Putin’s.. It was always Washington’s and will remain theirs until they admit they’ve lost.
Awesome. So if the 14,000 figure was remotely true, great job by Putin. He has now killed over a quarter million of its own troops including thousands of separatists.
Killed 250-300k in revenge for the alleged 14,000.
Great plan. Genius.
Were you also a believer that “Assad killed his own people !” when that touted ‘~250k civilians’ figure bandied about pearl-clutching Washington also included Al Qaeda, Daeshi’i, foreign fighters, plus Syrian military & police killed by anti-Assaddian forces ?
What almost all wars and conflicts around the world “have in common” is the USA. The USA is literally the “common” denominator. That should tell you something.
Correct. Many like those here.
I stand with the righteous among nations 🇷🇺🇵🇸🇮🇪 ✌️
Yep, support your country going in to destroy and annex Ukraine but then whine about Israel doing the “same” to Palestine.
Very righteous.
And you support the proxy war and the encircling of Russia by NATO, and, the 8 year bombing of Russian speaking Ukraine CITIZENS in the Donbas areas, that killed 14,000? “Annex” Ukraine? You need to get up to speed.
I support Ukraine’s fight for its freedom. You are full of it and still using the 14,000 killed which is false and you know it but who cares, you are here repeating BS russian propaganda and now Hamas’.
The death toll in the Donbas is true and as accurate as we can yet know.
Reality is what it is, Donald, whether or not you like the facts it presents. Wishing, or petulantly demanding, it be otherwise is a fool’s errand.
True and accurate? GTFOH.!!
You are ridiculous.
An empty fuking wagon.
Oh, notice how i used the word fuk to highlight how f up your comment is.
You are as full of sh!t as the first day you responded to one of my comments.
You counter with no evidence. Just slander. I don’t mind; your reputation, not mine, Donald.
Instead of “nu-uh” -isms, why don’t you cite counter sources that support your assertions ? Let the rest of us learn “the real Truth ™” you seem to guard so jealously.
Oh, now you are all open to discussions.
GTFOH.
You are well set in your views and presenting them as facts.
I never wasn’t open to discussion.
But a ‘discussion’, Donald, involves one party (me) presenting facts in evidence to support my claims and assertions.
Then the other party (youuuuu) would present YOUR facts in evidence to support your position (or to refute mine).
I’m kept up my end. Any time you want to cite sources, articles, links, to show that YOU position is more than just “nu-uh ’cause I said so”…or post evidence to refute MY evidence…it’d be wonderful if you did.
My views aren’t ‘presented’ as facts. My views are BASED on the facts, and reflect them in what I say.
Unfortunately, your views just seem to be what you wish was the case (but evidently and factually is not).
Impress us, Donald ! Impress me ! Start presenting your side of the argument backed up with evidence. From antiwar.com, affiliate links, any news sites you like ! You must be getting your information from SOMEWHERE (it doesn’t seem to be antiwar.com), we’d love to know what it is and where you read it, so we can expand our understanding of the world and of reality.
It really might be the case you’re seeing things that we aren’t, and it could be in our best interest to investigate other sources, as you have…!
I never wasn’t open to discussion.
But a ‘discussion’, Donald, involves one party (me) presenting facts in evidence to support my claims and assertions.
Then the other party (youuuuu) would present YOUR facts in evidence to support your position (or to refute mine).
I’m kept up my end. Any time you want to cite sources, articles, links, to show that YOU position is more than just “nu-uh ’cause I said so”…or post evidence to refute MY evidence…it’d be wonderful if you did.
My views aren’t ‘presented’ as facts. My views are BASED on the facts, and reflect them in what I say.
Unfortunately, your views just seem to be what you wish was the case (but evidently and factually is not).
Impress us, Donald ! Impress me ! Start presenting your side of the argument backed up with evidence. From antiwar.com, affiliate links, any news sites you like ! You must be getting your information from SOMEWHERE (it doesn’t seem to be antiwar.com), we’d love to know what it is and where you read it, so we can expand our understanding of the world and of reality.
It really might be the case you’re seeing things that we aren’t, and it could be in our best interest to investigate other sources, as you have…!
Well, yes, as far as we know, the 14,000 death toll is approximately accurate.
As is the fact that many of those 14,000 killed were Ukrainian troops, and many of those killed were killed by separatist and Russian shelling, not Ukrainian shelling.
How many?.. And how do you know?
Get off your kremlin computer and do some real objective research.
It’s spelled “gremlin” and those creatures were far more common in military or commercial aircraft. Didn’t you never see that classic “Twilight Zone” episode ??
You are just reconfirming everything i know about you.
A fuking closet pro putin supporter.
Well, finally you came out.
🤫 shhh, We knew it.
“…closet pro putin supporter.”
Goodness, Donald. That I support Crimean and Donbasi’i self-determination, and the efforts of the Russian Federation to stop the racist and murderous anti-ethnic-Russian actions of the Kiev regime under President 4 Life Zelenskiyy, and force a “neutral zone” between the RF and the ever-encroaching anti-Russian stale-dated NATO “alliance”, was never “closeted” or hidden.
It’s been my open and honest position this entire time.
Simply that you never bothered to ASK.
You see what happens when you don’t engage in a direct, honest, open fashion ? You end up flailing your arms and squawking about like a shrill clown trying to prove a point I could easily have confirmed for you if YOU’D JUST ASKED ME.
So there you go. Yep, I’d love nothing better than to see NATO embarrassed (then dismantled as member states realise it’s a MIC scam), the neo-Nazis of Ukraine hung from the highest yard-army in the British Navy (after a fashion), the ethnic Russians of the Donbas and Crimea left to peaceful lives of their own cultural freedom, and most importantly, for the Russian Federation to be shown the diplomacy and respect it deserves since walking away from the Cold War I’m not sorry your USA didn’t outright win for the sake of your patriotic ego(s).
Now – what will you do with this knowledge, Donald ?
Run in fear ?
Cry ‘witchcraft’ ?
Or now that my not-secret is as evident as it ever was, could you perhaps engage on a factual and evidencial level with me and other who may think the way I do, whom you’ll discover if you just, again, ASK THEM what they actually think ?
You are not factual at all. You are biased.
Nazis of Ukraine? Get out of here with that BS. That’s just Kremlin propaganda. Your real Nazis are in the Kremlin.
You drank that kook aid and are now in bed with Putin’s agenda and talking like you have all the evidence.
I do appreciate your honesty though.
“You are not factual at all. You are biased.”
It’s not my fault that facts are based in reality. That you don’t like extant reality is a You Problem. Demanding that reality conform to what you like and “how I wanna it to be” often goes away with childhood, Donald.
Yes, there are neo-Nazis in Ukraine. It is factual and well supported by European and North American journalists, supported by photos (if you think ‘words’ are biased too) and considerable research and investigation. If you don’t or can’t follow these facts, that’s you hiding from a reality you just don’t like.
BTW it was a knockoff drink powder called ‘Flavor Aid’ that Jim Jones & co mixed drugs into for their mass suicide. That’s also a fact. Wasn’t Kool-Aid but the name stuck.
I don’t have “all” the evidence. Just more than you have EVER presented to support your assertions.
Link to proof that Kiev’s neo-Nazis are “Russian propaganda”. We dare you, put up evidence.
By the same token, the “1400 butchered” figure blared out by the western media for the toll in Israel includes many hundreds of IDF soldiers and Israeli Police, killed in combat; and Israeli civilians killed in crossfires during fighting with “relieving” Israeli troops, as per the interview given by a rescued Israeli hostage, who stated that IDF forces “coming to save them” gunned down both HAMAS kidnappers and Israeli hostages equally.
Dead is Dead; hairsplitting means nothing. None of the Israelis would have died had HAMAS not attacked; none of the people in Donbas would have died if Ukraine had just let the separatists go.
Opposing any fascists is righteous.. Try it you’ll see.
And labeling anyone you oppose as fascists does not make your position correct.
It does when they’re in fact fascists.
Only in your mind.
I call em as I see em.
Russia has not exactly performed so well against the Ukraine.
According to Kiev, the US and MSM… And accordingly you believe them.
Wise up!
The simple and undisputed fact that Ukraine has lasted 617 days, should tell you Russia performance in the war is sub par. Considering the massive difference in the size of the two armies that war should have lasted two to four weeks.
Stand by for the avalanche of “oh, they MEANT to do that, it’s all strategery and they’re soooooooo concerned to not cause civlian casualties” comments in 3, 2, 1 …
Then you factor in NATO’s de-facto alliance with Ukraine, and there you get Kiev’s longevity in this fight.
If the West hadn’t lumped in NATO’s rummage-sale surplus, the war would have ended a year ago at least. If the West hadn’t dicked around when Kiev chose a Russian gas deal over an EU a decade ago, none of this would have happened at all.
After it took them more than about six weeks to accomplish their objectives, it became a matter whether it would be where it is now (due to large-scale US/EU/NATO aid), or whether it would be most of a year into an insurgency that would take 10-20 years to send the invaders home with their tails between their legs (due to smaller-scale US/EU/NATO aid).
Ukraine is still standing because of NATO?
I thought Russia was the strongest army in the world 🤣.
NATO what? Weren’t you all claiming that ALL western weapons delivered were destroyed by the incredible forces of Russia?
Dude, dont bring your BS here thinking everyone is going to just like your anti US BS.
What russian gas deal you talking about?
Putin bribed Yanukovich to cancel the EU deal. It was Putin the one who started this sh!t. Ukraine has its own natural gas but Putin doesn’t want Ukraine selling gas to the EU. That’s competition.
Get your vectors right , uncle Kremlin.
You guys come in pretending to be objective but then only focus your time trying to defend your side.
“I thought Russia was the strongest army in the world”
No, it has always been the USA. NOW who’s anti-American, Donald ?
“Weren’t you all claiming that ALL western weapons delivered were destroyed by the incredible forces of Russia?”
No, you have me mistaken for Dr. Doom Sternz, I think. Viktor Von Sternz is the one who, IIRC, publishes the NATO losses every so often in his Comments.
“What russian gas deal you talking about?
Putin bribed Yanukovich to cancel the EU deal”
You pretend you don’t know, then show that you do know. Dishonest. Even if sarcastic.
No secret that the EU’s gas deal was perhaps a better offer BUT the RF offered Kiev a debt-relief programme tied in with the deal. The EU didn’t like losing, the USA didn’t like Ukraine leaning East, so the Maidan Coup was engineered and the rest is history well documented on antiwar.com that evidently you didn’t bother to read.
The Inciting Incident of this whole Russia-Ukraine situation was that gas deal.
If it was something else, prove what it was with your sources and their evidence. Then we can have a discussion on it.
I don’t pretend to be objective. As I said elsewhere, “not a journalist”.
The facts and evidence point to the gas deal and the Maidan Coup as the start of the situation where we are now.
Cite facts to prove me wrong.
Shhh 🤫. Everything is going according to plans.
Relax, Russia is doing great.
Everyone needs to get their heads out of their a—es, toot sweet… If we don’t, we will soon be in, yet, another World War, possibly a: Nuclear War….
Doomsday Donna.
Does that include Russia and Iran or just the West?
Don’t bother. Rhetorical question. I already know your one sided “antiwar” positions.
How did that IDF pigf*cker put Jabalia? “This is the tragedy of war.”
Fetch me a violin.
And many more to you!
When will Hezbollah get involved? They have to or lose all credibility. According to Norman Finkelstein in his interview with Chris Hedges, fi and when they do get involved, all bets would be off.
Why would Hezbollah get involved? What would they gain? They have a very nice amount arms to defend themself. After a war with Israel between the firing of the rockets and Israel’s counter attack how much of those weapons would be left? So no Hezbollah does not have to get involved to save their credibility.
PS are you rooting for a widening of the war? What good would that do?
Yes, he/she is.
It’s and pro Russia /pro everything anti US.
They dont care about the conflicts themselves. They just want to see USA turned into ashes but wont admit it.
They’ll get involved if they believe getting involved serves their objectives.
I completely agree. Now the question becomes, how would it serve their interests or objectives? Since they have not got seriously involved at this point, their interests appears to be served by sitting tight. Now that may change of course.
I guess the question is “where do the interests of Hezbollah and Hamas intersect?”
While Palestine is certainly on Hezbollah’s overall agenda, if for no other reason than that Israel occupies Jerusalem, they’re mainly a large and influental party/bloc in Lebanon. They’ve proven they’re up for a fight with Israel when necessary, but at the moment they have a pretty full plate between Lebanon’s domestic situation and their work supporting Assad in Syria.
They presumably have little interest in saving Hamas’s ass as such. They’d have to see something to gain by getting involved, and I’m just not sure what that might be. They’re allied with the Iranian regime, and as people here endlessly point out, the Iranian regime doesn’t seem particularly interested in a giant regional war.
They probably dont want to end up like Ukrainian leveled cities thanks to your emperor nor like Gaza’s infrastructure now.
Huge dilema. To join the war and get leveled or not join the war and lose respect from the “brotherhood.”
I am inclined to agree with you. The Hezbollese could not take on the IDF in a one-front fight, nor have they cause-for-war on the average day.
But with Gaza facing an existential crisis and the plight of all Palestinians writ large worldwide, either the Hez fights in their support, or walks away as a never-was non-contender.
Hezbollinians must “fight them (the IDF) Over There so we don’t have to fight them Over Here.” Bush II neocon wisdom setting precedent for others, again.
Over here, you mean Russia?
No, don’t you recall how Dubya and his neocons said the USA must fight Al Qaedenese terrorists in (Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Pakistan, Yemen, sub-Saharan Africa, The Rest of Africa … really, anywhere the USA wanted to plant a base) so that the USA wouldn’t have to fight Al Qaedenese Marines landing ashore at Martha’s Vineyard or Corpus Christi or wherever the Cheneyites thought a ragtag band of mujahadeen could invade ?
Well, according to SouthFront, the casualties are much higher.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/a3jXOq8rX6Ve/
The zionist pseudo-state is facing assault on multiple fronts and this will only escalate. The terrorist regime don’t seem to care about Jew casualties, never mind Palestinians. This war is simply a pretense for the Anglo-American empire to expand its war against Middle East. Pentagon bases are the key pressure point that must be exploited.
Friendly Fire?