Leaked Israeli Intelligence Ministry Document Proposes Complete Ethnic Cleansing of Gaza

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1. WTF?! NAZI-ESQUE?!

2. The sh-t is about to hit the proverbial fan

   1. That seems more likely all the time. It’s not a bit surprising that the ethnocrats running the show in Israel would cook up something like this — they love them some ethnic cleansing. It would be surprising if the world, even including the US, would let them get away with it. Very bad things for the region and the world could easily happen if they try.

      As DeCamp says, above, some of their actions already are consistent with trying this mad scheme.

      1. Surprising? They did it once in a big way, and have gotten away with in-our-face denial of that too.

         1. Would you like to explain what you’re referring to, or do you expect us to guess?

            1. The document was probably released on purpose to socialize the idea of MECGA (Make Ethnic Cleansing Great Again).

   2. I already has, just takes time to come back here. Had a riot in Chicago with the Black Israelites against the pro-Palestinians.

   3. Agreed. Hamas has laid a trap for Israel and Israel does not know how to avoid it. And at this point continues walking into it.

      Some good analysis and commentary here, from an interview with Dominique de Villepin, former Prime Minister of France:

      https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1718201487132885246

3. More detail and context at Consortium News:

   https://consortiumnews.com/2023/10/30/new-document-leak-on-plan-to-expel-gaza-population/

4. WORLD OPINION HAS TURNED AGAINST ZIONISM ALL OVER THE WORLD. MAYBE THE ISRAELI PEOPLE SHOULD PAY ATTENTION, AND SO SHOULD THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. (but what can one do besides complain and protest; the state always has its own agenda)

   Global protests erupt against US-NATO-backed Israeli genocide of Palestinians as official death toll in Gaza passes 8,000.

   Here’s the latest protests around the world, with updates from wsws.org

   https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/10/28/fwgv-o28.html

   1. I’m sure world opinion is against Israel. I’m also sure that will not stop Israel from attacking Hamas and by default Gaza.

      1. Gaza is not default. Ethnic cleansing is the original goal, and all of this just how they are getting to it.

      2. It won’t stop them because the Zionists believe in what the Talmud instructs.

      3. And, they can do all that courtesy of the US taxpayers’ stolen wages and other income.

   2. funny how rape gangs and baby burners become heroes.

      1. It’s funny how the ‘most moral army in the world’ kills thousands of Palestinian children in a couple of weeks and are lauded as heroes as a result. I don’t care whose side you’re on, a society that allows this- yes, even my own- has some serious moral rot at its core.

      2. Those things have never been verified, and you know it.

5. I’m not sure what the end game will look like in this war. A lot depends on what happens to the hostages. I suspect when it is over with, Israel will announced they are totally done with Gaza. They will seal the border with Gaza. No goods, water, electricity will come via Israel. And certainly no workers from Gaza will be allow in Israel. Thus Gaza life lines will be totally depend on Egypt-Gaza border. Of course, I don’t know this for a fact. Just a guess.

   1. Add this to consideration as you refine your guesses:

      https://consortiumnews.com/2023/10/30/new-document-leak-on-plan-to-expel-gaza-population/

      1. I seen this before. I don’t think Israel will expel them simply because there is no where for them to go. Egypt will not accept them. So for now I will stay with my isolate Gaza prediction. But I don’t have a crystal ball and wars take on their own life so who knows what will happen.

6. Let me guess, they’re gonna package us this up and sell it as “democratic values” or something? Add the Zionists to our Nazi pals in Ukraine, what great company we keep.

   1. Let’s please never forget our other pals, Al Qaeda in Syria.

7. Isn’t this what they’re doing already?

8. How come biased America did nothing about ethnic cleansing in South Africa until it became an embarrassment to its image in exposing its economic plunder of that country. How about the ethnic cleansing of Ireland by the now dead British empire . This dead empire now subservient to the yankee empire. The mantel has been passed. Empires grow, mature, die like a perverse business model

   1. The Next empire will be the Chinese empire and the yanks and it`s lackeys are doing everything they can to prevent the inevitable .

9. “US to exert pressure on Egypt, Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia … ”
   It will lead to those countries siding with Russia, China and Iran. They are siding with Russia, China and Iran anyway. Egypt, Saudi Arabia and UAE are the members of BRICS starting from 01.01. 2024. The influential politicians in Russia are accusing Israeli militaries of war crimes and those mentioned countries are doing the same. In the end, US and Israel will confront BRICS and the overwhelming majority of the humankind.

10. No surprise; some in Israel have been wanting to do this since before partition in 1948. Same for the West Bank, part of the Sinai, and southern Lebanon – all territories included in the “proposed map for greater Israel” developed by Ben Gurion and the jewish leadership council before independence.

    1. Letter from David Ben Gurion to his son, October, 1937

       1. Letter from Einstein posted today by Jackson Hinkle on Twitter: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cb656bbacf607e8f03074ff5d4627bf3d97169a153e9cc899ad7e74fbea7a1bb.jpg

          1. He was one of the fortunate few refugees admitted to the US and given excellent employment.The majority were not so fortunate.

          2. Well, that’s fairly straightforward.

             So everyone can see that this is real:

             https://www.sothebys.com/en…

             1. Thanks!

          3. Albert Einstein was a very great scientist, physicist, and scholar.
             He can be described and regarded as the last great “prophet” or sage the Jewish people have had. They will never again have a thinker, scientist, and “prophet” of the same caliber, historical greatness or importance as Einstein.
             Einstein was a pacifist and in favor of peaceful coexistence between peoples, ethnicities and cultures.
             The Israeli state and its army have been accumulating militaristic jingoistic actions, acts of cruelty and misdeeds that are contrary to the ideas and principles of Einstein. This trend had increased since the start of the 21st century, and even more so during this year.
             According to the general ideas and principles of Einstein, the Israelis and their army should be held accountable appropriately for their arrogant actions, misdeeds, and wrongdoings.
             When they’ve been ignoring him and doing a lot of things contrary to the ideas, principles and exhortations of their last great “prophet”, this will have very bad consequences for the Israelis, the Israeli state, and its army, as Einstein wrote in 1948.

             1. To say who will not be born in the future-do you have a time machine?

    2. 1904: Zionist Theodore Herzl: “The area of the Jewish State stretches “From the brook of Egypt to the Euphrates.” Zionist Biblical proportions defined in Genesis 15:18. No archaeological evidence.

       1. Historical Jerusalem is on Bosporus, fortress Yoros near a small town Anadolu Kavagi. Jesus Christ was executed not far from Yoros (about one hour normal walk) on the highest hill in the area. The place of the execution is marked and surrounded by a fence. Nearby, Turks built a mosque. The hill itself on old maps marked as Jesus Christ Hill. Also it is known as Beykoz Hill. Yoros was the main Egyptian (Roman) military base in the region. The governor of Yoros ruled over all Egyptian (Roman) provinces around Black Sea. Jesus Christ governed the region from 1182 to 1185. Historical Rome (Constantinople) was built later and was proclaimed as the second Rome in the end of 14th century. Italian Rome was proclaimed as an “ancient Rome” at the beginning of 16th century. At the time of Jesus Christ, the empire was ruled from Egypt. People learned a different version of History but that different version is a fake created by Catholic Vatican about the middle of 16th century.

11. NAZIS!

12. Forget “do as I say, not as I do.” Now, do as I say, which is what I do.

13. The Nazis had the same idea in the 1930s and 1940s.

14. Best money we ever spend, Lindsey Graham! We get better value for our money in Israel. (Sick Sarcasm but still not as Sick as Lindsey Graham)

15. There’s not enough lipstick in all creation …. Zionism slips the veil boldly displaying itself in full, and unapologetic barbaric obscenity. This whole thing, including “7 Oct”, has to have been planned and gamed by their highest level demented ‘visionaries’.

    1. A tragic situation for all, but what do you do with people who want to kill you?

       1. First of all you don’t steal their land and kill and brutalize them:
          “I and the public know.
          What all school children learn,
          Those to whom evil is done,
          Do evil in return.”

          And secondly, you don’t open the gate and give free rein among your people to those you’ve maddened to homocidal hatred.

    2. Yeah, I don’t see how this wasn’t a setup, with an appendix that spoke to the necessity of getting some Israelis killed and/or captured.

       1. 9/11 was the set up for the invasions of the Iraq , Afghanistan , Libya , Iran ect ect . nothing happens on the internationally without there being a plan .

          1. The “plan” was already in place on 9-11. General Wesley Clark found out about it almost accidentally:

             From Clark’s conversation with one of the generals on Bush-Cheney’s joint staff:

             “So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, “Are we still going to war with Iraq?” And he said, “Oh, it’s worse than that.” He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, “I just got this down from upstairs” — meaning the Secretary of Defense’s office — “today.” And he said, “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.” I said, “Is it classified?” He said, “Yes, sir.” I said, “Well, don’t show it to me.” And I saw him a year or so ago, and I said, “You remember that?” He said, “Sir, I didn’t show you that memo! I didn’t show it to you!”

             Deferred somewhat but still on tap. PNAC’ers never concede.

       2. Yes, the thing I find most inexplicable is how they breached the security of that border. The IDF on duty watched the Hamas trained within eyesight and reported up the chain, and in the event did the same. In short the security set up performed properly, but got no response from HQ. It’s difficult not to conclude … ??

          1. Indeed, it is difficult, and given Bibi’s proclivities on continuous display, I would say impossible as opposed to difficult.

16. Israelis simply need more lebensraum. In that view, Palestinians are not bad, simply in the way. As Eastern Europeans were to Germany, or Indians to westward-expanding Americans.

    Or as the hit-man said to his mark, “Don’t take it personally, man. It’s just business.”

    1. Of course —-and don’t forget the possible natural gas deposits around Gaza —greedy Israelis, but what is too bad for them is that after they steal Gaza and the West Bank – they have it all —and then what – no future for the kleptocrats.

    2. An Israeli Empire of Israel, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan. Capital: Jerusalem.

       1. Capital: punishment.

17. Ethnic cleansing has always been the plan.

    West Bank will be next–I give it another 1.5 years.

    USA will wring its hands pretend it objects but fund the whole thing.

    1. Zionism makes no sense without ethnic cleansing.

       1. Yes. Moshe Dayan, among others, was blunt and up-front about this. Kind of like the guy on the billboard here:
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1fbd1d432699028604bd3d9982cd6c3d5094fa7ce6d482c2caa3c64a6844ec0a.jpg

    2. Indeed. The US government and “our” Congress will extract wealth from productive Americans to fund murder and mayhem worldwide under the guise of “democracy”.

18. A recent talk by John Mearsheimer that relates to both Ukraine and Israel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62FCVJycwSA

    1. What troubles me at the outset is framing global relationships in terms of great powers and competition, hence eventually to military strength, hence eventually to war on many scales, including sanctions and color revolutions.
       Speaking for myself, I do not believe we can survive as a race with such a model.
       I did not listen to the entire speech, so I may have misinterpreted here, but I still object to the framing of the discussion.

       1. We will be the architects of our own extinction , killing each other is in our D.N.A , and for my money it will be the USA who will for fill this prophecy .

          1. We may be headed for self-destruction, but not because of anything in our DNA. Unless you want to go way way back and blame it all on opposable thumbs.

             Humans, by and large, are peaceable animals. War is a product of state-level civilization, which has only been around for about 10,000 years.

             1. I think there’s a lot to the notion that organized agriculture gave rise to governments that evolved into today’s nightmares, since cities had to form, and some class had to come into being to run them.
                Hunter gatherers were able to tune into their surroundings and had the advantage of moving on before they had destroyed their previous dwelling places.
                Of course, we probably wouldn’t have TV, so there’s that 😉

       2. Mearsheimer is one of the leading thinkers of the realist school of international relations. In this context, realism refers to how things actually work rather than how they should work.

          You don’t really object to framing the discussion in terms of what’s actually happening or the ways the various parties actually behave and their motives for that behavior, do you?

          Mearsheimer’s most important work is probably The Tragedy of Great Power Politics. A pretty good description can be found in the Wikipedia entry:

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tragedy_of_Great_Power_Politics

          1. Of course I don’t object to the factual basis of his analysis. That said, just my opinion, there is too little volume dedicated to complete alternatives to the present fiasco described as foreign policy.
             I didn’t learn anything new from his speech as I have lived the truth of it for over 60 years, first hand, and came to much the same conclusions over time.
             We need to work to frame discussions around where we need to get to and rehashing where we are – and even how we got here – leaves me cold.

             1. I certainly understand wanting a new framework and I think there are several possibilities that might effectively address issues like war and state-state conflict if implemented. But I don’t think it’s at all likely that any of those frameworks can be implemented, given the reality of great power relations. I think we have to deal with things as they are, not as we wish them to be.

                It’s pretty clear that the emerging dominant trend is for the other great powers, supported by very large portions of the rest of the world, to resist and challenge American unipolarity/hegemony. Perhaps the best course for Americans is to accept that accepting multipolarity without a fight to the death is a better choice than the alternative.

             2. Perhaps.

                You might refresh yourself with some George Bernard Shaw.
                “There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?”

                This phrase was also a favorite of Bobby Kennedy, I believe.
                Thanks, but I’ll stick with Shaw. You can start with things as they are.

                Personally with your case, I must quote an old Yankee New Englander punchline:
                ‘Come to think of it you can’t get there from here.’

             3. Well, don’t forget to ask why not and give serious consideration to the answers.

             4. You know I have, for over 60 years now, and you know what? Nothing has changed, and what’s happening today is shouting it in spades.

       3. Mearsheimer works from the standpoint of a geopolitical Realist. From that standpoint, nations interact with other nations according to their relative power, which could be economic, military or both. Because nations interact by economic power and by direct (military) power. I happen to agree with Mearsheimer on this, because the Realist analysis has good explanatory power. The Realist (or Realpolitik) perspective was the mainstream view until about 30 years ago.

          Perhaps you object to that view because it lacks ideals or morality. But frankly, I see more to fear from a nation that has geopolitical power and national ideals, because it is that much more likely to seek a global empire. In any case, I don’t see the claimed ideals of US foreign policy (liberal democracy and free markets) as anything more than window-dressing for a naked appetite for economic extraction from other nations. The Color Revolutions of the 21st century are clear examples: free markets to allow the US to exploit weaker economies and liberal democratic-style government which pass laws to facilitate that, e.g., by privatising state-owned utilities and removing state subsidies that benefit national interests. So I’m not much impressed by the Idealist standpoint, although it is the dominant perspective in current US political science, especially since the collapse of the Soviet Union.

          And, surveying the destruction caused by the US during its Unipolar Moment as global hegemon, I see my fear of US Idealism thoroughly confirmed. It has been a mental trap to paralyze criticism of US foreign policy. And it has worked very well — just look at the comments by readers of the NY Times or Washington Post: 95% still believe that the US is a force for Good Against Evil.

          That’s the power of modern propaganda.

          1. Ideals can be an element of national power, and as examples were for the Allies against Germany and for Nazis among their own believers. Those ideas had real effects magnifying other power.

             They can also be goals, though that is much mislabeled and overdone.

             However, they are part of the equation of power, not the sole virtue which defines all as virtue-signaling ideologues would have it.

       4. Well, old models have a habit of being replaced by new models.

          Not necessarily better models, but different ones, based on different evaluations of what’s important or what works best to get that important thing.

          And not necessarily with the understanding, let alone permission, of the people whose customary models are being changed.

          On the land warfare side alone, look at the multiple revolutions circa the first half of the 20th century. Machine guns finished off the old “mass formation firing” model. Tanks changed the pace of advance and the defensibility of infantry fortifications. Air power changed pretty much everything. And then insurgency made all those things unreliable in terms of actually finding, fixing, fighting, and finishing opponents.

          On the political side, the modern “state” as we know it is less than 400 years old, and the death cult of “nationalism” pretty much dates from the late 19th century. I personally consider both to be miserable failures if quality of human life is the criterion, and hope whatever models replace them will be better.

19. This is in plain sight Netanyahu’s Zionist-religious plan for greater Israel, which lies as a rationale to support Hamas in the first place and then to incite the latter to start a new war. This has been a provoked war, as planned from the start, by the Netanyahu government and its religious extremists, and it surely was not a ‘surprise’.
    It’s a scandal that Joe Biden and his minions are playing in that game.

    1. Sadly, Joe Biden and his minions are the real scandal…

20. This has all way`s been the plan from the very first day they put a foot on Palestinian soil and they have been helped by the British and Americans , infact it was the British Establishment of 1917 with the BALFOUR DECLARATION promising the Zionist a home land in Palestine , however making sure that the Palestinian People never got wind of the plan until it was to late , in 1947/8 the Zionists invaded and occupied Palestine claiming it was their right because it was written in a book of myth and legend .

    1. some books are bigger than others

    2. The Zionists represented people driven out of their homes in Europe and the Middle East.

       1. So? That is not license to do this.

21. “The document says that part of the [Palestinian displacement] plan is for the US to exert “pressure on [other ME countries]…to contribute to the initiative….So far, the US has expressed opposition to the idea of kicking Palestinians out of Gaza.”

    Readers, please see moonofalabama:

    it cites evidence to argue that US “opposition” is only because it first tried and failed to realize Israel’s displacement plan, basically by trying to persuade Egypt, just as the leaked “initiative” proposes.

    “Biden Forced To Call Off His Plans For Ethnic Cleansing Of Gaza”
    10/30/23
    h ttps://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/10/biden-forced-to-call-off-his-plans-for-ethenic-cleansing-of-gaza.html#more

    1. Space between “h” and “t” is breaking the link. Here:

       https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/10/biden-forced-to-call-off-his-plans-for-ethenic-cleansing-of-gaza.html

       1. We have a hideous creature as president.

22. Ethnic cleansing is genocide and has been going on here since 48.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ethnic_Cleansing_of_Palestine

23. According to The Times of Israel, Israeli government officials are downplaying the document, saying it only represents “initial thoughts” and that they are currently focused on the war effort.

    Must have run out of any plausible denials so they went with “initial thoughts”.

    1. Maybe. Over the past three weeks, I’ve increasingly been considering the possibility that they simply aren’t bothering with plausible denials any longer.

24. I’d support evacuating Gazans and other Palestinians, if they all come to the US, and they were all re-settled in places where they would dilute major electoral influence of AIPAC, say in New York, California, and Florida.

    This would be one way to get the albatros of Israel off our backs. That would be the payoff for the US to do this.

    1. I live in Canada. I would welcome all Palestinians (Gazenese and West Bankers too if they want) to come live with us here. They don’t have to live in Toronto if that’s a concern to them.

    2. I’d settle a whole bunch in DC.

25. United States of Atrocities has been bombing Syrian forces attempting to block the trade route from Iraq. Apart from being an unprovoked attack (this alone should have the entire state department in the Hague), the over all target is Assad, they are going to assassinate him.

    The United States of Atrocities has lost the war in Ukraine, a civilisational battle they staged in Europe. This defeat is existential to the United States of Atrocities and the battle against humanity has now moved to the Middle East.

    Europe like Afghanistan will now be abandoned in ruins. Do you think we should tell them? Israel is now the next fall guy. Do you think i should tell them?

    1. United States of Atrocities….. very appropriate term. If you are a country entering into an agreement/treaty with the United States of Atrocities you do so at your peril. Think JCPOA. The Iranians signed on in good faith but back stabbing United States of Atrocities and duplicity abrogated. United States of Atrocities abandoned the Kurds in 2019. United States of Atrocities has assumed the role of the FORMER British Empire in the ME. This FORMER empire betrayed the Arab nation in their fight for independence post-WWI.

26. On Twitter/X, Jackson Hinkle shared a letter from Einstein in 1948, describing Zionists as “terrorist organization” and “criminals.” THAT IS AMAZING!

    1. Yes, it’s from a 2018 Sotheby’s books and documents auction catalogue:

       https://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2018/important-books-manuscripts-n09885/lot.244.html

       1. Thanks. If my memory serves me, he also declined Israel’s Presidency?

27. “The Israelis are killing children. What’s happening in Gaza is not a war. It’s a massacre,” said Jack Topalian, who runs a coffee stand in Beirut. “How can we just keep silent?” https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dd2a92fd29c82c559429c85a579f2f3f248c1f3c7d3fbb0a381c3989c87b2168.png

    1. The Israelis have a permanent Get out of Jail Card.

       1. Probably not permanent. Everything changes sooner or later.

          I could be wrong, but in my opinion the entire purpose of the Hamas operation was to bait the Israeli regime into going so over the top evil in retaliation that all of its progress in better relations with Arab regimer since Camp David — and especially lately with the “Abraham Accords” — will be wiped out and that it will be permanently weakened.

          1. I’d like to believe you are guessing right, but I have no faith in leadership that can be bought, which appears to be a plague these days.

          2. I’m confident it will outlast me!

          3. Tom, your explanation is the only one that make any sense on why Hamas would attack on Oct 7. The Palestinians are going to pay a heavy price to achieve that goal. I’m not sure it will be worth it.

             1. Well, an additional factor is that Hamas has been getting less and less popular in Gaza. They’ve had to suppress protests and execute dissidents to stay in power. A classic response to unpopularity is to find someone who can be baited into being even less popular than you.

                I generally go with the supposition that belligerents aren’t completely stupid and that their actions have purposes that aren’t necessarily crazy. In that vein, I assume Hamas had no illusions that it could militarily defeat the IDF, and that it was realistic about the prospects of direct, large-scale intervention on its side by Hezbollah or by neighborhood Arab states. They might have HOPED for that, but I doubt they EXPECTED it. Given that, my assumption is that the objective was something along the lines of “get the Israelis to act like barbarians, even more so than usual, so as to weaken the Israelis and strengthen the Palestinian cause generally, even if it results in our particular organization being effectively liquidated in the process and even at the expense of massive Palestinian civilian casualties.”

             2. I agree with your analysis. Only time will tell if the price being paid for by the people in Gaza is worth the return. It might work, but it might also backfire with Israel becoming more determined that ever to prevent a Palestinian state.

          4. Great points…Hamas knew that the Abraham Accords would take the Palestinian question off the table especially if Saudi Arabia and Israel normalized relations.

             1. Well, it would at least change the layout of the table. There might still be some movement. Since Saudi Arabia recognizes the state of Palestine, they could act as mediators, and possibly offer economic inducements to reduce illegal squatting (“settlements”) and so forth.

                But I don’t think there will be real movement until the state of Palestine can put together a working regime, gain full UN membership, etc.

          5. Again Hamas was an Israeli construct as a counter to the PLO. The evidence now coming out from witnesses indicate that Hamas was setup by Netanyahu and it appears that more hostages were killed by the IDF than Hamas.

             Mass murder of its own citizens.

             If i was part of the United States of Atrocities flotilla in the ME i would be absolutely terrified of an attack by Israeli subs, which they will blame on Iran, and trigger WW3.

          6. I think you are correct. Israel and Saudi Arabia were getting close to a US-brokered agreement. Which would pretty well lock out the Palestinians from Arab support. The Hamas uprising blew that idea to splinters and it will not be coming back. And that is why Hamas struck when it did: the timing was strategic.

             And now the Israelis, mad as upset hornets, are on a rampage that damages their support worldwide and consolidates Muslim support for the Palestinians.

             Much like the US after 9/11, Israel is damaging its own future by recklessly seeking revenge.

       2. it is a bogus temp card. Please dont be a defeatist..Palestinians are not giving up so it would be highly immoral to give up on them when were over here not getting bombed except in taverns. i was in Bethlehem at 3am. lost with two other CPT’rs and we heard singing, we came out from the twisted turning dark streets onto Manger Square where hundreds were singing, dancing with an indomitable spirt the walls of Bethlehem couldn’t or contain nor conquer. Only the second time i cried. The first was entering earlier that day when we had to pass the prison walls that encompass Bethlehem and had to show the IDF guards our ids along with the worker’s coming home and waiting out in the sun before [allowed] to come in…

28. Well, the Koran and Mein Kampf folks have been cleansing the Bible, Tora, and Shastra folks since before The Prince, the Mongols, and the Annals Of Tacitus, etc: what goes around comes around regardless of one’s indigenous origins in darkest Africa. Fortunately the New World, like Japan and former penal colony Australia, has no indigenous to squabble over for equal opportunity cleansing among those migrants’ cultures. May the best culture win.

29. What Biden says does not count anyway and Sisi must know it. And what the idiot neocons have to say does not count either, government is in the hands of irrational idiots, that is all three branches of government.
    They believe that dropping bombs on people and sanctions will win any war without any casualties for the USA while solving any problem for them.

30. Donald Trump will lose the Arab American vote if his recent speeches before Jewish groups are foreboding.

31. google = The term “ethnic cleansing” has garnered varied definitions over the years, but the United Nations describes it as “a purposeful policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areas.”

    of course in this case the rest of world can sleep at night because the Israelis only mean to wash the Palestinians’ dishes and scrub their floors
    ——-
    not incidentally, Trump was recently described by the Israeli newspaper Haaretz as “the most pro-Israel US President in history.”

32. Let’s not kid ourselves, this was always the plan for the last 75 years. Decades of propaganda have prepared western audiences for this, but the younger generation has proved a bit less susceptible. Maybe they inherently can sniff out BS after being served it for most of their lives.

33. The Israeli government and many of its people are completely without honor. They are dead to me.

    1. Is this something new or have you felt that way for a long time?

34. Since the U.S. is in the business of redrawing maps all over the Middle East and everywhere else and giving other peoples’ lands away, how about we give Palestine back to the Palestinians, give Wyoming to the Zionists, and ship the Cheneys off to refugee tents in Guantanamo?

    1. I think the People like the Cheyenne and the Arapahoe should be consulted first.

35. Why don’t they just give the Palestinians blankets with typhoid on them?

36. Yesterday, Israeli right-wing journalist Hagai Segal shared a letter from 45 influential Israeli rabbis (initial list), addressed to “Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu May His Light Shine, the heads of state and security apparatus,” explicitly affirming the right of the state to bomb the Al-Shifa’ hospital in Gaza – the main hospital in the strip.

    There are several notable rabbis among the list of signatories who have advocated for the killing of “enemy babies” in the past. Rabbis Yitzhak Shapira and Yosef Elitzur explicitly wrote this in their 2009 book Torat Hamelech (King’s Torah), claiming that such babies can often be in the way of killing the enemy and that their killing is therefore permitted. In addition, they wrote their murder is permitted under the justification that these babies “will grow to harm us.”

    https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/israeli-rabbis-tell-netanyahu-that-israel-has-a-right-to-bomb-al-shifa-hospital-in-gaza/

    To earn the righteousness ,rabbi added “if used as human shield “

37. “It is not as though there was a Palestinian people … and we came and threw them out and took their country away from them … They did not exist,” Prime Minister Golad Meir. (The Sunday Times, June 15, 1969)
    Chaim Weizmann: “I an certain the world will judge the Jewish state by how it will treat the Arabs”

38. United States of Atrocities has been bombing Syrian forces attempting to block the trade route from Iraq. Apart from being an unprovoked attack (this alone should have the entire state department in the Hague), the over all target is Assad, they are going to assassinate him.

    The United States of Atrocities has lost the war in Ukraine, a civilisational battle they staged in Europe. This defeat is existential to the United States of Atrocities and the battle against humanity has now moved to the Middle East.

    Europe like Afghanistan will now be abandoned in ruins. Israel is now the next fall guy.

39. Russia is now ranked No1 military in the world ahead of the United States of Atrocities.

    1. LOL. Sure.

       1. There is only 1 section where the US ranks above Russia, Naval power. China is ranked 3rd even though it has more forces under arms.

          1. Who’s doing this ranking?

             1. Ukraine is ranked 6th. Israel is ranked 4th.

                So yeah the rankings are subjective and can easily be disputed. Even though they are supposedly based on both qualitative and quantitative analysis.

             2. Again, who’s doing this ranking?

             3. The Russian army took first place out of 87 in a new ranking published by an American magazine.

                This data was provided by the American news US News & World Report magazine.

                Like i said its very subjective could well be biased, but i report it because this is the first time anyone has placed US no2.

                So by all means dispute it, you could well be right.

             4. I didn’t dispute it. There are a lot of metrics for trying to measure military power. I will see if I can find the list you’re citing so I can see what I think about the way they are ranking things. If Ukraine is ranked near the top and DPRK isn’t, then the metrics would seem to exclude, or at least downplay, nuclear capability.

             5. I would be interested in your perspective, you know more about this than i do.

                I do know from a Russian perspective that they have spent the last 2 years furiously building there forces. As they expected an attack from NATO. Anyone’s guess exactly how many they have under arms now. I am hearing over 2 million and growing.

                But for instance China has more forces under arms than the US but its not just a numbers game, its about quality as well.

             6. Here’s the US News & World Report ranking you seem to be referring to.

                Here’s their methodology.

                Briefly, the rankings are based on a surve of “17,195 individuals from 36 countries in regions spanning the globe – the Americas, Africa, Asia, Europe and the Middle East – were surveyed. Of the respondents, 8,267 were informed elites, 4,622 were business decision-makers and 7,402 were considered general public. Some respondents were considered both informed elites and business decision-makers.”

                The reason DPRK didn’t make the list (but South Korea did) is that in order to even be part of the survey, a country has be in the top 100 countries by GDP, the top 100 countries for foreign direct investment inflow, the top 100 countries in terms of international tourism, and the top 150 countries in the UN’s Human Development Index. That second one, due to sanctions, would likely exclude Iran as well.

                What the military rankings are based on is whether survey respondents associated the country’s name with the term “military strength,” not any kind of measurement of troop numbers, weapons quality, etc. So I find it more interesting as a measure of popular perception than of practical military reality.

                None of which means that Russia ISN’T militarily preeminent. I’d rank them lower based on demonstrated performance, but that’s just me.

             7. “So I find it more interesting as a measure of popular attitude than of practical military reality.”

                Exactly, thats why i posted it. I have never seen US ranked No2 before. Even if it is predominantly survey based.

                Would you still assess US No1?

             8. What makes you think I assessed the US as number 1 in the first place?

             9. I don’t thats why i asked, i didn’t just assume it.

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