The Gaza-based Palestinian Health Ministry released the names of thousands of Palestinians killed during Israel’s onslaught since October 7 after President Biden questioned the death toll.
According to the Health Ministry, at least 7,028 Palestinians have been killed, including 2,913 children. The report it released listed the names, ages, genders, and ID numbers of 6,747 people. It says an additional 281 bodies have not yet been identified.
When confronted on Wednesday with the massive child casualties in Gaza, President Biden said he had “no notion that the Palestinians are telling the truth” while also recognizing that “innocents have been killed.” which he said was the price of war.
Ashraf al-Qudra, spokesman for the Health Ministry, said the US was “devoid of human standards, morals and basic human rights values” for “shamelessly” questioning the death toll.
“We decided to go out and announce, with details and names, and in front of the entire world, the truth about the genocidal war committed by the Israeli occupation against our people,” he said.
Biden and other US officials have cast doubt on the casualty numbers since the enclave is ruled by Hamas, meaning they have oversight of the Health Ministry. But Gaza’s Health Ministry is known to be reliable, and its numbers have stood up to UN and even Israeli scrutiny in previous wars.
For example, Gaza’s Health Ministry said 2,310 Palestinians were killed in the 2014 Gaza War. The UN count for the conflict was slightly lower, at 2,251, and the Israeli estimate was 2,125.
While President Biden is questioning the death toll, a report from HuffPost found his State Department is citing the figures from Gaza’s Health Ministry internally in cables known as “situation reports.”
In one report, written on October 21, the State Department official drafting the cable noted the casualty rate could actually be higher than what Gaza’s Health Ministry is reporting. “The numbers are likely much higher, according to the UN and NGOs reporting on the situation,” the report said.
It’s a really bad idea to let Biden speak extemporaneously on sensitive issues.
I explained to you that this is information war, not a Biden gaffe.
https://caitlinjohnstone.com.au/2023/10/26/all-israel-apologists-have-are-ad-hominem-attacks/
No, you didn’t “explain” to me, you shared your opinion. Since this is not a question to which either of us is able to know the answer with certainty, at the moment, that’s as much as we can do. It would be good to remember that.
There are patterns and active information warriors across social media. It began before Biden said it.
It is a way to diminish the US gov’t’s part in genocide or ethnic cleansing by claiming the numbers are inaccurate.
Don’t give the psychopaths an out by claiming the words were only from a mistaken fool when they are calculated.
Obama; never underestimate the ability of Joe to f*ck things up.
He looks very very bad. Shameless, really.
That’s because he is – and is.
7000 dead. Israel is a true apartheid state who wants nothing but all Palestinians dead in their own homeland.
Israel has had no fair partner to negotiate.If people want to kill you-keep them away.
You’re probably getting at “you can’t negotiate with terrorists”. Thomas Jefferson paid ransoms with the Ottoman Empire possessions, though not tribute. It’s a neocon invention likely based on nothing more than the 1980s and 1990s public universities speech codes.
They were not “away”. Gaza and the West Bank are occupied, as well as sealed in by barriers, with IDF and settler intrusions, deadly intrusions, every stinking day. A concentration camp.
And jake must know it, he is not that stupid.
Occupiers, by international law, are obligated to protect the welfare of the occupied population, that includes food, water, shelter, energy and healthcare, and does not permit the killing with bombs by the occupier,
That is a WAR CRIME, Jake, take note of it, Israel is no exception.
To be honest, the Israelis are not fair partners willing to negotiate with honesty and willingness. BiBi and Joe, are not willing to negotiate at all, that is a simple fact. Rabin, who was serious, was assassinated because he was one willing to negotiate.
And more than 2000 of the dead were children. There little bodies torn to shreds by bombs an debris and rubble.
Biden is up to his elbows in the blood of the babies and young children, not human animals as his friends in Israel call them.
Unfortunately, when Israel makes it bed, we ALL have to sleep in it! Based on what Israel is doing in Gaza, does this give Palestinians themselves the right to “vengeance” when the IDF and settlers continue attacking Palestinians as a policy of the government? This could all be settled very quickly if Israel would just treat its neighbors like human beings instead of “terrorists”! Billions for war from the hard-working law-abiding people of the world and zilch for basic human rights accommodations!
“Based on what Israel is doing in Gaza, does this give Palestinians themselves the right to “vengeance”. . .?”
Whether or not it gives them the right, it makes it nearly inevitable that they and/or their allies/supporters will seek vengeance.
Israel will then whip out their bomb, flash it out to the world, tell the world uh, uh. We will dutifully say that Israel has the right to defend itself. Things will then quiet down. Palestinians will continue to die, whether in Gaza or the deserts of the Sinai, where they will be living in tents. All will be a distant memory, just like after Protective Edge and Cast Lead.
Maybe. But as of yesterday, fatalities in Gaza were already more than twice the numbers of Protective Edge and Cast Lead combined. And the possibility that Israel’s goal now is a “final solution” means that the aftermath of this disaster could be substantially different from earlier ones. History repeats itself until it doesn’t.
Absolutely. Terrorism is the new Barbarian, originally fashioned as a hostile exonym. Ppl may point to Sergey Nechayev piggy-backing on the term but who seemed to have misused it on himself as a means to his end which was actually barracks communism.
If we only had elected officials with character and backbone and human decency this could not happen.
Our nations leadership is intellectually and morally totally bankrupt, all of them in both parties.
Add the stupidity to get ready for more war, by attacking Iran. BiBi’s and Joe’s wet dreams and the fanning for more war in Syria and China and continues war in Ukraine is insanity, we have no leadership, just a gang of war criminals.
Mr. President:
An idea for the suggestion box…. Calculate the value of each Palestinian, in your best estimate and deduct the value of each Palestinian life, from the annual US funding of Israel.
You can send the money to the Palestinians, along with your personal condolences…
Please remember sir, if you have any problem with the math, feel free to use a calculator.
One tiny flaw in your analysis. What if the President puts a negative value on each Palestinian? Does that mean the Palestinian have to send money to the US?
PS. And sadly there are some people who will put a negative value on a Palestinian.
Morning Tim:
My suggestion was not in earnest but rather a chastisement of the man.
I know, I just tossed a little a dark humor in the first part of my comment. The second line is sadly true. I always felt for years the Palestinians are treated badly by nearly everyone. Israel, the US and even the Arabs. And now Hamas. Hamas attack on Oct 7 will not help the Palestinians cause.
The attack was not just a breakout from the concentration camp, it was an act to bring attention to the world. The Israeli ultra right wing racist Zionists reacted as expected, showing the truth of what they are. They have said they may use nerve gas, with the assistance of representatives of the Delta Force of the U.S. Chemical weapons!
Looks like Hamas won, they had nothing to lose, anti-Semitism is growing, demonstrations in support of Palestinians are also growing.
And BiBi and Joe are getting ready to invade Iran.
Scott Ritter posted some unvarnished opinions that say much the same thing. I think you will find it cathartic.
You are right, thank you. It helps to know others do see it too.
Why not calculate the value of 1300 Israelis murdered,how many rapes how many kidnap victims.
Because “Vengeance is mine.” says the Lord; and because people are becoming less willing to accept the double standard that Israel advances to justify its behavior.
Donna, Dementia Joe is unable to perform any of the tasks (“calculate”, “deduct”, “send”, “remember”, “feel”, “use”) suggested in your post. I’ll add my own – “walk”, ” speak”.
Biden was projecting when he said that .
President Biden said he had “no notion that the Palestinians are telling the truth”. I wonder if he realizes that there are a growing number of foreign leaders, including those of some of our allies, that feel the same way about him.
“President Biden said he had “no notion” Among many other things.
Well and one had thought him an expert. In reality he’s showing his neocon bona fides, to wit, Truth doesn’t exist.
What does that statement even mean? Did one of the reporters ask the dotard “ok, you dispute their number? What’s your number? What’s the right number of children, women, and men killed in revenge?”
41 years later we still don’t have accountability for the slaughter of 13 innocents in Northern Ireland by british army thugs on Bloody Sunday, Jan 31, 1972. Occupying IDF thugs duplicating the same practice
In war the number of deaths is meaningless and always distorted. 2 or 3 there, a million here. Who cares. We are a callous, lying herd of self destructive beasts.
I’d like to see Israel release such detailed numbers on their own losses including manner of death. Were there any decapitations or is that just a rumor?
That allegation has been debunked by the IDF.
Same as the incubator babies and WMDs and much more.
That doesn’t stop the propagandists using it over and over and over. ‘A lie told often enough becomes the truth.’ – Lenin
So true.
Biden is a real killer, he can never get enough.
Looks less like war, and more like psychopathic serial killing. Israel, the US and its allies, Hamas, etc.
I would not support any of these factions. This is murder,plain and simple.
Hamas doesn’t have baby members.
I dont understand, i never said they did, I just said I would not support them either.
Israel is blowing up, starving, causing dehydration for millions of people who aren’t Hamas. It’s just not a “both sides” equal situation, is my point.
Sadly that is what happens in a war. In WW2 British bomber command flatten and burned German cities. They were killing NAZIs and non-NAZIs. The same situation here. Hamas is the de facto government and military arm of the GAZA. It does not make the killing right, it just what happens when entities goes to war. As I stated more than once, Hamas Oct 7 attack will not benefit GAZA.
Nothing before has benefited Gaza. IDF and settler incursions, deadly incursions, burning of crops, limited water, food, electricity, all ignored by the world. Ignored! It is tantamount to the towns just outside of the camps in Germany and Poland supposedly not knowing what was going on in the camps. The movie “Shoah” has a point in the movie where citizens of a town just outside of a camp were questioned as to whether they had an intuition as to what was going in in the camp. The world has known for a long time what was going on in Gaza. A long time. According to Israel, 1500 of the young men who partook in the attacks died. Born into a concentration camp, no jobs (no marriage), living 10 to a floor, no hope. It has similarities to the Nat Turner slave revolt which brought attention to the strife of the slaves. Many slaves survived, they have descendants. Palestinians? They will die where they are, or, they will die in the Sinai. After the usual soul searching, talking heads expounding on TV, it will be forgotten. Just like what happened after Cast Lead and Protective Edge. Forgotten.
Except that Hamas is not an army for another country and Palestinians are being killed by their own government of apartheid.
Israelis are killing Palestinians, don’t turn the truth upside down.
Hamas has no army, it is a resistance movement, not an army, and legal by international law. Genocide, by international law is a war crime, that is what the Israelis are doing, be honest and call it what it is.
Whether Hamas is an army or not, the same international law (Protocol I of the Fourth Geneva Convention still requires it (and the IDF) to “distinguish between the civilian population and combatants and between civilian objects and military objectives and accordingly shall direct their operations only against military objectives” (Article 48), and mandates that civilians “shall not be the object of attack” and that “acts or threats of violence the primary purpose of which is to spread terror among the civilian population are prohibited” as well as prohibiting attacks which “are not directed at a specific military objective” (Article 51).
“We’re a resistance movement, not an army” doesn’t magically lift all restrictions on crimes against humanity.
I agree with you, but the Israelis killed by Hamas were collateral damage, many got caught in crossfire, and yes, that does happen in wars.
A military base near by was the object of the attack. We should have an investigation to find out the truth, what really happened.
The same law applies to the IDF, or not?
The Israeli bombing, by their own words are not a military objective. It is about causing damage and killing people, civilians since there is no Palestinian army.
Yes, the same law applies to the IDF.
And “collateral damage” is a bullshit excuse that doesn’t fly for Hamas or IDF, even if taking civilians hostage qualified as “collateral damage,” which it doesn’t.
I don’t care about who is more guilty at this time.
Right now we need leaders with character human decency and a spine and COMMOM SENSE to stop the slaughter of the people in Gaza and Ukraine, including the most vulnerable children and pregnant women.
The leading Western Democracies are rudderless, not a real statesman or woman in sight (Orban is an exception) all we have are extremely stupid and ruthless criminals on the bridge of a sinking ship.
What is there good about Orban? Orban came down supporting Israel and condemning Hamas, just like Biden.
“Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban holds a copy of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s memoir on November 3, 2022. (Viktor Orban/Twitter)
JANUARY 20, 2023, 7:32 PM
Orban: Israel and Hungary have ‘great results’ in ‘building conservative community’
Right-wing Hungarian PM tweets prognosis after meeting with head of conservative Jewish organization’s Israel branch
By TOI STAFF”
I think in the end Orban will act in Hungarian interests first, he does have Jewish voters and he is walking on eggshells.
Like they say, the first thing to go in war is the truth. With that comes all else. All I would like to see is simple common sense to stop the killing, a ceasefire and honest negotiation, all it takes is character, a back bone, and simple common sense. The Biden people vetoed a cease fire in the UN AGAIN, THE ONLY VOTE AGAINST A CEASEFIRE.
You left out the collateral damage caused by American drones, hellfire missiles killing whole wedding parties and 9 collateral killings per 1 target killing on average. Assange disclosed that, that is why he is dying a slow death in prison. Concerning the bombing of Gaza, CIVILIANS ARE THE MILITARY OBJECTS OF THE ATTACK, there is no military.
That is GENOCIDE a war crime by international standards. Do you admit that the Israelis are committing war crimes? Israeli officials have stated the bombing is to damage Gaza, no mention of military objects.
Yes, since we were discussing Israel/Palestine, I left out “collateral damage” by other parties in other conflicts. I also don’t talk much about Larry Bird or Willie Mays when discussing NFL hall of famers.
“Do you admit that the Israelis are committing war crimes?”
No, I don’t “admit” that — I’ve been saying it over and over for years. And specifically pointed out, in the very comment you responded to, that the IDF is no more justified than Hamas when it violates those articles of international law.
You are agreeing with me, how am I turning the truth upside down? Did you reply to the wrong comment? Who do you think the apartheid government is?
You posted in your response to Tim Burns
“Palestinians are being killed by their own government of apartheid.”
There is an error. I don’t think I misunderstood.
Israel is their apartheid government killing their own Palestinian citizens.
You are right, it just was not my train of thinking, BUT the WB confirms you.
Does the Israeli response benefit Israel?
Hamas responded to more than 70 years of brutal occupation, the humiliations and brutal massacres and the hopeless future the traumatized young people experience, the brutal killings of their baby sisters and brothers, whole families. The settlements on the WB still going on, and the killings of Palestinians including more than 20 children on the WB.
The 70 years of long lasting Genocide of the Palestinians is the real war crime.
Not in thiis instance no, its not equal, I doubt any war atrocity could be looked at in a truely equal sense.
In this instance , Israel has acted totally barbaric. (There actually is no word for this horror adequate enough) since it was an act where they were on the offensive and a seperate instance in time it can not be equal to both sides.
Their (Israels) actions are Godless and satanic at best. ( Since they themselves purport to be otherwise.)
Hamas themselves along with the US military complex have also commited horrible atrocities such as blatent murder and theft and covetness etc as well all in the nane of rightousness in other instances
At first I was on the sideline about Israel but this recent action is both morally and ethically the worst I have heard on this scale since the hitler regime. It is the same in deed.
Concerning the subject at hand and mentioning hamas.
When talkung about the Israel government I simply try to include the others bad actions as well (which they do), so as not to be considered and accused of being ant-semantic, A US propagandist favorite attack on any criticissm of Israels mercilesss actions.
In this instance Israels actions must be called out for what they are. . . “Godless” plus a very long list of other things.
In fact not only did they murder innocent children with indescriminate bombing, they neither apollogized or changed paths. Much like the above named historical german regime, They march on with even more attrocities, (cutting off innocent peoples water etc. These actions are souless at best and indescriminate.
What gets me is that after this the US supports their actions condeming themselves before the world as well.
However, for future reference, When exposing these people (The warmongering leaders of Israel) for what they are), I will expose others in the same light for what they are as a side note In order to quell the flames of false propaganda and being called anti-semantic before it arrives.
Just a note on why I do what I do.
The ultra right wing Zionists who are running the freak show has said that they may introduce nerve gas into the tunnels. The bombing has leveled homes, perhaps exposing some of the tunnels. That would mean more deaths, perhaps even of the hostages (which Israel would blame on Hamas). Joe has dispatched members of the Delta Force to assist and instruct in the application.
Joe makes sure the Israelis are not alone, they do have accomplices in war crimes. He is exposing American soldiers to commit war crimes. He does not give a damn about any life as long as he gets elected by manipulated gullible people.
Hamas is the Palestinian resistance, the only defense they have, who else defends the Palestinian people? The world has abandoned the Palestinians and left them to the Mercy of Israeli Zionists. That ended in massacres of them and refugees with nowhere to flee to. By the standards of the Christian western powers they have nor ight of their homeland, see the settlers of the WB.
Many of the richest people on earth are Jewish, yet American tax payers fund Israel with billions of USD.
Of course our pathologically lying president and his neocon gang of war criminals knows nothing.
What takes so long to approve or disapprove for what?
Bloody well said!
Who should protect the Palestinians against the Israelis with American backing and funding? Americans are complicit in the crime of genocide of the Palestinians, they are WAR CRIMINALS.
All of humanity, thats who. The haters of of violence and lovers of peace and suffiency of course. Who else would be capable of repairing the breach? Surely not Hamas. There has been enough violence already.
Palestinians are human, the world has abandoned them, Israelis have rights, not so the Palestinians. Hamas is resistance whether we like it or not, they are fighting for their human rights as best they can.
What right to Lebensraum do the Palestinians have? For hundreds of years Palestine has been their land, even during colonial times they lived in Palestine. How can one justify the robbing of Palestinian homes by settlers, the destruction of their olive trees, the basic livelihood, the incarceration of Palestinian young people? There are times when you have to take a side. I support the rights of the Palestinian people, the right to live of their babies. To deny food, shelter, water, medicine, and energy to the people and their children is criminal, I have no excuse to close my eyes to war crimes, my conscience does not allow me to simply look away.
I support the people, not the militaries, I understand the need for self defense, but hamas indiscriminate shelling of civilians in Israel is not self defense, Its starting a war. Israel and the US are no better, I will only raise my voice for the innocent lives being lost, Not the warmongers, Not in this case.
If you think hamas actions in the past are all nobel. You have not paid attentoon.
The media wants your division, they want your support of hamas. They welcome it.
How else will they divide humanity into two sides and get christion young men to sign up to fight the cause. Have you not paid attention to the media? Its all propaganda and lies to get christians and muslims in a fervor. Do not be fooled. They need you tp pick a side they have given you. If you must pick a side pick between the inncocents and the warmongers. Thats how you support the people of palistine. If you support hamas, they will show your support to christians along side the atrocities hamas has done in the past. Support the innocents around the world including palistine if you will. But do not support hamas or they will use it for more destruction. If they succeed in dividing people into two camps, Then the new colloseam games in the modern world will be televised.
I can think for myself. I will not support war criminals. I support the people, Palestinian and Israelis, not the war mongers in governments. They are the profiteers while the ordinary people pay with blood.
It takes sadistic people to do what Biden and Netanyahu and their cabal are doing, genocide is a war crime, Palestinians have human rights, they are not HUMAN ANIMALS like your leaders call them in order to instigate hate against them, just as the Nazis did in Germany. Some 70% of the people killed in Gaza are women and children. My heart breaks for them and you can not change that. The war mongers, the real human animals are sitting in DC and Tel Aviv, real psychopathic people. Normal people with character and integrity have a spine and a conscience they would have common sense to stop the slaughter of the people and negotiate with a true honest willingness and honesty for peace, at least a ceasefire.
I see escalation, Biden wants war with Iran and so does Netanyahu and their gang, they want total war, not peace at all. How can you support them?
Hamas is the natural response to the Israeli brutality against the Palestinians, they are their children, they know they have no future, they are the result of Zionist politics. How can you not get it?
My leader calls no human being an animal.
https://news.antiwar.com/2023/10/30/leaked-israeli-intelligence-ministry-document-proposes-complete-ethnic-cleansing-of-gaza/
‘Human Animals’: The Sordid Language Behind Israel’s Genocide in Gaza.
“Many seem to forget that, long before the Gaza war, on October 7, and even long before the establishment of Israel itself in 1948, the Zionist-Israeli discourse has always been that of racism, dehumanization, erasure and, at times, outright genocide.”
Zionists do, they fan violence against Palestinian people.
Zionists are known for their hate filled talk in public not just in private.
Time to make my point, not all Israelis are Zionist, many Israelis demonstrate for peace and human rights of the Palestinian people. Credit were credit is due, they deserve our deep regards, thank you.
I am not a Palestinian, just a Mensch.
“indiscriminate shelling of civilians in Israel” How is that different than shelling and bombing of Gaza? How many civilians have been killed in Israel proper and buildings destroyed?
Its not different if you are talking about the family of a dead child
How many dead Israeli children are there? Hundreds of Palestinian children were killed with bombs and of course there is starvation, think about the parents unable to feed their children, watching their children die a slow death by starvation. The traumatization of the children as great as any soldiers DSS, and all for what? For Lebensraum of the Zionists, they want all of Palestine for themselves.
The numbers are irrelevant when one looks at the actions towards one without remorse. If they look at one this way, there will be more. One is one too ma in light of the destruction of ones soul. They error greatly when they kill children without remorse.
I also dont think they want palestine to themselves, They want a hunger that can not be quenched, A gluttony feeding upon the lives of others, the false sense of continued existance and control,
They care not for palestine. They care only of themselves knowing not that they create their own destruction in the end.
Its not land they covet, Its Gods kingdom and Gods holy mountain they attempt to take by force with cunning and deciet. All of them. They do not understand what is happening. Through desire for profit and selfish power, they have become blind.
Peace. .
Who is protecting the Palestinian people including women and children? Who is defending them if not Hamas and other groups of resistance. The PLO is not protecting anyone in the WB, many, including children have been killed by the settlers and IDF also.
You can not achieve peace through war and violence. You can not build trust through destruction. This is not the way. Open your mind to all the alternatives, then you will be free and find freedom. BOTH sides must desist before both sides lose their humanity. Neither side is killing military in any great numbers, They are both aiming at civilians. This is not acceptable on any means. I will not support Israel or Hamas or the US for that matter. I am anti indiscriminate war. This is the site for that. Both sides must desist before peace can be found.
I am opposed to solving problems militarily, period. But it takes two parties willing to compromise honestly and willing to preserve peace. The roots of war are materialistic, always. The greedy national corporate elites are the war mongers, the profiteers, and the people have to pay for it with suffering and loss of life. Considering the suffering of the people in Gaza and the manipulation of the public minds, it may take decades or centuries to built trust and forgiveness.
In this conflict, the Israelis brutally want Lebensraum and the USA global hegemony at the expense of the Palestinian people and others in the region and in Europe. Their corporate elite never gets enough.
Egotism, arrogance and greed will never go away.
john smith,john C smith,Joey smith===BS.
the american regimes past and present have never told the truth. It takes patriots like snowden and ellsberg to expose the roaches