Hundreds Killed in Israeli Bombing of Gaza Hospital

162 thoughts on “Hundreds Killed in Israeli Bombing of Gaza Hospital”

1. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/least-500-victims-israeli-air-strike-hospital-gaza-health-ministry-2023-10-17/

   1. Live updates from Aljazeera:

      https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/16/israel-hamas-war-live-iran-warns-resistance-front-may-attack

2. This is just ludicrous level psychopathy now … remember, this isn’t some rag-tag terrorist outfit with jury-rigged weapons; this is one of the most modern militaries of the world. Nothing they do is a mistake here.

   So, USA, Canada, UK, Germany, France, etc. … you still stand behind these people??

   1. If it was indeed the IDF (and if so, ‘accident’ cannot be seriously taken as cause) then it is indictment indeed.

      To your second question. I am Canadian, and never supported the regime running Israel into moral bankruptcy. Despite what my own gov’t says and does.

      1. Then surrender your Canadian citizenship.During WW2,the head of Canadian immigration refused to take any jewish refugees-“none is too many”.

   2. I sure don’t. Unfortunately the Israel-firsters have infested every facet of American life so there is not much we can do other than try and vote for gridlock in Washington. It’s not a great strategy but we don’t have other options.

      1. THE WOKE AND THE PROGRESSIVES ARE THE TRUE INFESTATION.

   3. USA will support Israel anyway. Other members of NATO are taking orders from USA. Maybe, only Turkey will find it too difficult to follow USA this time.

3. On March 9, 2022, there were reports of devastation after Ukraine said Russian air strikes destroyed a maternity ward and children’s hospital in Mariupol. President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said there were children beneath the wreckage, and Ukrainian officials called the attack a “war crime“..

   Aljazzera.

4. Apparent video of the attack on the hospital:

   https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/17/israel-hamas-war-news-gaza/#link-UVNAJKOHXRFCNC2Z4IPFMCIL54

   1. Did not sound like an errant rocket.

      1. advanced acoustic analysis.

5. Anouther American supplied bomb, Americans are complicit in this crime

   1. Wash. is complicit, the rank and file American is coerced into allowing their earnings plundered by the state for policies such as these. But, Americans will reap what their leaders have sown. Only a matter of time until the runaway train of WWIII happens.

   2. Another failed Hamas missile-shot themselves in the foot and progressives lap up the wounds.

6. Apartheid is too gentle a word to describe the murderous Zionist regime.

   This is not ethnic cleansing. We are witnessing genocide.

   Deliberate depravity on a scale of the Nazis.

   1. It’s not really genocide since there are lots more Arabs around. It’s ethnic cleansing to make room for more Israeli settlements and Wash. is so into AIPAC, they will approve anything the Zionists do. Until lobbying is outlawed (never happen) atrocities will continue around the world. Just ask who benefits every time atrocities happen.

      1. The target is Palestinians, not Arabs in general. And this is genocide under relevant international law. Scroll down for the definition.

         1. That’s the law’s definition, but genocide is defined as wiping out the genome completely which would be Arabs in this case. It’s used for political and propaganda purposes.

            1. “. . . genocide is defined as wiping out the genome completely . . .”

               I’m willing to bet that you can’t cite a serious definition that supports that claim.

            2. Arabs are composed of different ethnic groups. The language of Arabs of Persian Gulf is different from one of Arabs of Morocco. Genetically they are also different.

         2. Like I said, the definition is determined by politics like terrorist, but the etymology is inconsistent with the modern definitions. however, the precise etymology of the word is a compound of the ancient Greek word γένος (“birth”, “genus”, or “kind”) or Latin word gēns (“tribe”, or “clan”) and the Latin word caedō (“cut”, or “kill”).

            1. “Like I said, the definition is determined by politics like terrorist . . .”

               Actually you didn’t say that, at least not in this thread.

               The word “genocide” was coined by a Polish-American lawyer, Rafael Lemkin, near the end of WWII, specifically in the context of his work to describe the Nazi extermination campaign against Jews. Lemkin was a major proponent of the establishment of the Genocide Convention I cited below.

               Attempting to support your personal definition of the word by applying “precise etymology” is pointless and silly. Etymology is almost never precise, because the way words are used and the way they and their meanings change is almost never precise. Ironically, in this case, the etymology is unusually precise: We know who coined the word, when that happened, why it happened, and precisely what Lemkin meant. What he meant is what the convention largely based on his work says the word means.

               https://web.archive.org/web/20230623112630/https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/coining-a-word-and-championing-a-cause-the-story-of-raphael-lemkin

               You should probably drop this argument now.

            2. I stand by the etymology and so does Hayakawa and Wittgenstein in the end. But, I’ll drop it since we agree to disagree. By not standing by the etymology insures the progression to ‘double think’ which is so pervasive today in the media and gov.

            3. Umm, OK.

               😎 Speaking of Hayakawa:

               San Francisco State College’s acting president, S.I. Hayakawa — in a move that left campus radicals stunned by its audacity — staged a demonstration of his own yesterday. It was an act both courageous and foolhardy — but a bravura performance from start to finish. It began at 8 a.m. when the new college president — jaunty in a knit tam — strode out of the administration building alone and made for a line of some 80 pickets about 100 yards distant. A pickup truck was parked nearby fitted with loudspeakers. All at once Hayakawa plunged through the students, opened the door of the truck and began wrestling for possession of the microphone. The radicals inside — absolutely flabbergasted — managed to retain possession of the mike and Hayakawa abandoned the tussle to climb onto the bed of the truck.

               The students — their ranks swelled to 100 or so — regained enough aplomb to resume their chant. Hayakawa energetically waved his arms like a conductor. But when he attempted to speak, the students inside the truck produced a humming noise over speakers to drown out Hayakawa’s voice. Hayakawa — author of “Language in Action” — forsook words long enough to rip off one wire connecting the loudspeaker and then the other. The humming noise stopped and Hayakawa beamed triumphantly at the crowd.

               But the mood of the crowd turned ugly. Hayakawa swatted at hands reaching up to pull him off the truck. At one point it seemed that Hayakawa was going to be pulled into the crowd and a Chronicle reporter wrapped his arms around the president to keep him upright. Disengaging himself Hayakawa leaped nimbly off the truck bed and despite his 5 foot 6 inch, 153-pound frame began throwing elbows into the jostling crowd. “Don’t touch me,” he told one student who pushed him. “I’m the college president.” As he pushed his way toward the humanities building he was asked what prompted him to enter the maw of campus rebellion. “I did it so you’d know what I’m up against,” he panted. “I had my own demonstration.”

               ~Jerry Carroll, San Francisco Chronicle 12/3/1968

               https://s.hdnux.com/photos/76/40/45/16386371/9/2400×0.jpg

            4. AND WITTGENSTEIN’S POKER:

               On 25 October 1946, Popper (at the London School of Economics), was invited to present a paper entitled “Are There Philosophical Problems?” at a meeting of the Cambridge University Moral Sciences Club,
               which was chaired by Wittgenstein. The two started arguing vehemently
               over whether there existed substantial problems in philosophy, or merely
               linguistic puzzles—the position taken by Wittgenstein. In Popper’s, and
               the popular account, Wittgenstein used a fireplace poker
               to emphasize his points, gesturing with it as the argument grew more
               heated. Eventually, Wittgenstein claimed that philosophical problems
               were nonexistent, in response, Popper claimed there were many issues in
               philosophy, such as setting a basis for moral guidelines. Wittgenstein
               then thrust the poker at Popper, challenging him to give any example of a
               moral rule, Popper (later) claimed to have said:

               “Not to threaten visiting lecturers with pokers”[3]

            5. Looked it up and Hayakawa was also elected to the U.S. Senate 1977-1983. But, regardless of their personality flaws and other flaws, they were good linguists and semanticists.

            6. Yes, he was impressive. But that was Hayakawa’s memorable moment of fame.

      2. “Making room”-neither Israel nor Egypt wants Gaza.

   2. After killing 1400 people in an unprovoked pogrom,raping women,shooting babies,do you expect human beings will sit and take it,as they did during the old days?

      1. When did they take it? The disproportionate brutality by Israel happens every time there is a flare up.

7. “ Military historian Aryeh Yitzhaki said today that Israeli troops carried out several mass killings in 1967 in which about 1,000 Egyptian prisoners were slain in the Sinai.

   Yitzhaki, who worked in the army’s history department after the war, said he and other officers collected testimony from dozens of soldiers who admitted killing POWs. He said a report on the killings submitted to his superiors has been locked in a safe at military headquarters. Another Israeli historian, Uri Milstein, said there were many incidents in the 1967 war in which Egyptian soldiers were killed by Israeli troops after they had raised their hands in surrender.
   “It was not an official policy, but there was an atmosphere that it was okay to do it,” Milstein said. “Some commanders decided to do it; others refused. But everyone knew about it.”
   Washington Post August 17, 1995

   1. For good measure, the Zionists attempted to sink the U.S.S. Liberty.

      1. Fog of war.

   2. Leave us speak of Israeli POW’s who had gun carriages run over their legs.

8. There is no way that the glorified firecrackers used by the resistance could possibly cause that much damage to anything. No damage shown due to them in Israel comes anywhere near the destruction the IDF caused to that hospital.

   1. The Zionists figured that if their American backers are dumb enough to believe all the reports of Russia attacking itself, they’ll swallow anything

      1. Hamas did it to their own people to create martyrs and inflame the situation.

         1. Yup, just like Russia blew up their own pipeline to prevent Germany from buying their gas and bombed their own positions around nuclear power plants they controlled.

         2. Mass murder is NOT Hamas’ M.O. (modus operandi). It is, instead, Israel’s.

            1. Really-what about the 1300 killed by Hamas infiltration into Israel-that is not mass murder?

            2. Then can we call them both mass murderers? I’m willing, how about you?

         3. First it was a “misfired” rocket by Hamas. Now it’s on to it being done purposely by Hamas to create martyrs. And let’s not forget it was also an ammo depot. So, they not only wanted to create martyrs, they also wanted to use their own ammo dump to do it. I mean you can’t make this shit up. Oh wait, you can. But one thing is certain, it couldn’t possibly be the ones who had promised to level Gaza because they are “animals” who did it. That would be too much of a reach I would guess. Right?

      2. Not “dumb enough.”

         Willing to accept anything, however disgusting.

   2. A 200 lb warhead is no firecracker.

      1. And what does that have to do with the Palestinian firecrackers?

         1. Hamas missiles did a lot of damage to the Gazans.

            1. The IDF has a tradition of lying. Whatever did that was a big bomb. The IDF has big bombs Hamas doesn’t

            2. How can we tell when Jake is lying…
               In this case when he parrots liar BIDEN!!!

               Another Zionist shill, willing to kill the Arabs to make room for greater Israel.

            3. Biden is the victor here-his polls are up and he will be rerlected.HA

            4. Don’t get more Israeli firster than that.

   3. Maybe it found a thermal exhaust port and then bounced down until it hit the reactor.

   4. Foreign minister of Germany Baerbock, who unconditionally supports Ukrainian neo-Nazis, told “now we are all Israelis”. It looks, she is proud of achievements of Israeli air forces.

   5. Look at these western media outlets lining up to claim that Palestinians bombed their own hospital. Unbelievable. “Liberal” and “conservative” outlets, all pro-war, all utterly blind towards Palestine.

      Let’s not forget they tried to claim the same BS after U.S. bombed an MSF hospital in Afghanistan.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_hospital_airstrike

      1. It was a masterful stroke to gain victim status. Or perhaps they got shot in the foot by their own missiles.

      2. Don’t forget Israel said they were abandoning precision in favor of destruction https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/11/israel-abandon-precision-bombing-eliminate-hamas-officials/

   6. “Glorified firecrackers”- come on-missiles with two hundred pounds of explosives-grow up.

   7. A 200 lb match of explosives is not a firecracker.

9. The IDF claims that the hospital was hit by a misfired rocket launched by Islamic Jihad. Here is a video of the hospital being hit posted on the Washington Post site. Islamic Jihad has no missile that can do that kind of damage.

   https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/17/israel-hamas-war-news-gaza/#link-UVNAJKOHXRFCNC2Z4IPFMCIL54

   1. Beat me to it by less than two minutes.

   2. Correct. The IDF has almost routinely blamed its attacks on civilian targets on Palestinians, in every period of active conflict.

   3. I’m not knowledgeable about Islamic Jihad’s arsenal, but the incoming/impact in that video sounded and looked more like an artillery impact than any kind of missile strike.

      1. Then apparently you disagree with the IDF that admits it was a missile strike. Anyway, as far as I know, Islamic Jihad has no artillery. The damage inflicted by Islamic Jihad and Hamas rockets has come mainly from impact, not explosive payloads.
         Cui bono?

         1. I thought you said the IDF said it was a Hamas rocket strike? The explosion in the video you posted looks a little small/underpowered compared to video of Qassam (Hamas’s artillery-fired rocket) impacts, but I suppose it’s possible. Waaay smaller than the Ayyash. Certainly not out of Hamas’s capability range.

            But when I hear hoofbeats I think horses, not zebras. It seems more likely that it was an Israeli strike.

            1. You should read more carefully. I said the IDF blamed IJ, not Hamas.

            2. Ah.

               IJ claimed to have been firing Fajr-5s more than a decade ago. Those carry 175kg warheads with 90kg explosive charges. And they have their own version of the Qassam, the al-Quds.

            3. Has any Hamas rocket ever delivered this type of casulties ? No. Never.

      2. I have heard an artillery piece as it is in the air. That sound was more like it was powered , and the impact was severe.

         1. I’ve only had 155mm artillery pass directly over me a few times, and it didn’t really sound like that to me. But if it was a rocket/missile, it wasn’t a very large one.

   4. Vast experience in ordinance.

10. ” Israeli military is claiming the blast was the result of a misfired rocket launched by Palestinian Islamic Jihad, according to The Times of Israel.”. The claim that an errant Hamas missile did this kind of damage is ludicrous. The missiles Hamas uses don’t have the power that the one that struck this hospital had

    1. Fire several missiles at once-hit a gas line-or a Hamas arsenal-that enough.

       1. Bull. Unless there was a building or a room filled with natural gas or propane it doesn’t explode like this. And an armoury or amo dump always has secondary explosions. NOT what happened here.

          1. Hams self inflicted to agitate the Islamic world.

11. Israel has full support of the United States. At this point Israel doesn’t even need to launch a ground invasion of gaza. They can just sit back launch air strikes and wait for Hezbollah to jump in and the United States to jump in to defend Israel from Hezbollah. The United States is going to do the heavy lifting here.

    1. If the US jumps in, we’ll have a major regional war, at least.

12. Inveterate liar like Israel makes one wonder if it ever told any truth regarding relation of Zionism with Nazism, Nakba, 1948 attack on Arab, 1956 war, 1967 war, Lavon and USS Liberty , 911 and Iraq war, anything on Iran , and the attack on Gaza.

    1. Katayn woods massacre

13. The hospital is a baptist hospital.

    1. Actually, it’s run by the Episcopal Diocese of Jerusalem.

       https://j-diocese.org/wordpress/healthcare-3/

       1. Well, after what the Anglicans did to Ireland (and to Catholics in England), can we really trust that they weren’t behind it themselves? 😉

          1. 🙄. There are so few Irish and/or Catholic targets in Gaza that the Anglicans wouldn’t waste the ordnance.

14. Another fine action by the most moral army in the world! Bombing brown people from the sky because when they actually take on people who shoot back, they perform worse than Ben Shaprio vs Andrew Tate!

    1. Hamas blew themselves up.

       1. Seems more consistent with a strike focused on damage and not accuracy https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/10/right-now-it-is-one-day-at-a-time-life-on-israels-frontline-with-gaza

15. They will also claim that the hospital was sheltering “terrorists “

16. I can believe that the Palestinians killed on the road heading south were actually hit by an IED planted by Hamas rather than a bomb dropped by Israelis, but the hospital incident has the Star of David written all over it. It’s time for all of Israel’s new friends in the Middle East to rethink their allegiances. It is definitely time for the US to do so.

    1. Why, what’s in it for Israel? Totally illogical, counter-productive and unnecessary for them. Israel has strategic advantage, why jeopardies that? Not to mention Hamas offers no evidence while Israel has video evidence for an errant Hamas rocket. You like Hamas make no sense at all.
       Just another case of desperate sloppy propaganda.

       1. Israel has no strategic advanges .It has bribed US lawamkers behind it , for who Israel has no respect . Israel has done simialr arrogantly stupid things in the past number of times just to show US who is the boss .
          Sharon ,Netanhyu and years ago Shamir have carried out attacks on Paestine when US dignitaries ink uidng president were visiting .

          1. There is no strategic advantage for Israel to bomb a hospital. The suggestion is ludicrous on its face.

             1. Hubris and arriagnce describe this behaviors. Israel lies .Israel has done simialr things number of times in the past .

             2. Abd Hamas a hundredfold more.

          2. It’s not about strategy, it’s bloodlust. The leadership of Israel is on the record as saying that the Palestinians are “human animals.” When one dehumanizes the other they are capable of anything.

17. An errant Hamas rocket and a ton of ammonium nitrate stashed away in the hospital; it’s a win win for Hamas.

18. So, Mr. “rules-based” Biden is traveling to Israel and Jordan. When he gets to Israel he will,wink, wink, king of condemn the strike. Then ask how much more in weapons they need. Off to Jordan. To warn them not to stop Israel from concluding he “final solution”, or else he will have to dispatch some fighters from the U.S.S. Eisenhower. Palestinians? He will not give a second glance.

19. As bad as this is, the situation could get a whole lot worse if Israel follows through on its commitment to launch a ground campaign against Gaza. An Israeli ground campaign is a disaster waiting to happen. Time for the Israelis to step back and rethink this one.

    1. They cannot let this recent murderous pogrom go unanswered.

       1. It can look at the morror and move on .Thats what Israel does every month .

20. Typical article for this site.Israel claims that the explosion was due to Hamas rocket misfires .Maybe it was,maybe it wasn’t .Hamas often uses civilian facilities as shields for their activities.

    1. Wrong

       1. spinning your wheels man

    2. incorrect

    3. Bonker’s comment

21. Better headline,Gaza hospital destroyed,Gaza hospital explodes.

22. Interesting that the hospital had been hit before.

23. Bombing a hospital… Seriously? If anyone did that to Israel, the Israelis would be screaming loudly and ferociously.
    Israel, look in the mirror. What do you see? The Germans of yesteryear, or Israelis?…

    1. Why do you always believe what you are told?

    2. The US would be the first and screaming the loudest as has done in regard to Russia ever since.

24. The term “genocide” is tossed around rather loosely and I have avoided using it to describe the Israeli treatment of Palestinians, because it hasn’t been clear to me that it has been accurate under applicable international law. It’s accurate now, almost without doubt. Israel is guilty of genocide.

    Article II

    In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

    (a) Killing members of the group;
    (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
    (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

    Article III

    The following acts shall be punishable:

    (a) Genocide;
    (b) Conspiracy to commit genocide ;
    (c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
    (d) Attempt to commit genocide ;
    (e) Complicity in genocide.

    Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. Adopted by the General Assembly of the United Nations on 9 December 1948

    1. Thank you for your important post. Genocide is not an insult used against Israel. It has a precise legal definition, Israel is in clear violation of Article II(a), (b) and (c) and, IMHO bombing a hospital that presumably has a maternity ward violates Article II(d). Americans who don’t speak out against this slaughter are guilty of violation Article III(e). Let’s end the silence and stop giving credibility to Zionist lies.

       1. Request for useful information: Article II(a)(b)(c) and Artilce III(e) of what?

          1. https://treaties.un.org/doc/publication/unts/volume%2078/volume-78-i-1021-english.pdf

             1. Thanks.

          2. I apologize for insulting you. But I have posted text and cites to the 1948 UN Convention on Genocide several times on this site. And you responded to those posts by trivializing the relevance of the genocide convention to Zionist atrocities and policies. I am exasperated by your attempts to deflect criticism of Zionist genocide with plays on words. The fact that the Palestinian population has increased despite the attempts of the Zionists to erase them from history does not negate the genocidal intent or nature of Israel’s treatment of a captive people.
             Mass murder is the worst form of genocide. But, as indicated in the convention, mass murder is not the only form of genocide.

             1. Why does the left deny Palestinian atrocities,or justify them?

       2. Americans don’t magically violate Article III(e) just because they don’t say what you want them to say.

          1. We disagree.

          2. If Israeli behavior now is genocidal, and I think it clearly is, American leaders responsible for supporting Israeli actions are clearly complicit.

             1. Absolutely. But there’s a difference between supporting an action and not jumping up and down condemning it. Believe it or not, many Americans probably have no opinion at all, and quite a few probably haven’t looked away from Real Housewives of Jackson Hole or Monday Night Football for long enough to even notice what’s going on.

             2. If so, it does not say much for Americans. I am an Americans, born and raised in California. I have family members who think that Trump is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and the Palestinians are nothing but blood thirsty terrorists. When I attempt to give them a history lesson I am shouted down. I have even been thrown out of one of their homes when I answered a question; Has Israel killed any Americans, with a firm yes. I was not given the time to describe the instances because i was hustled to the door too fast.

             3. Trump wanted to make peace with Russia and end the Syria war.Biden pushed the Ukraine war.

             4. And who killed all the marines in Lebanon-Iran

             5. Yep. And then Reagan realized how stupid it was to have put those Marines in a place where the US had zero national interest or legitimate business, and the US GTFO.

             6. And sent them in w/o ammunition for their rifles.

             7. I find, also, that when you debate with accurate history accounts, you get shouted down immediately.

             8. Wouldn’t matter if they did look up. The general populace has no say in which wars DC decides to involve itself in, none. Any notion that we do have a say in what wars we involve ourselves in is rubbish.

          3. “Americans violate Article III(e) because they don’t see what they don’t want to see.”
             Fixed, no charge.

             Americans are guilty for the same reason and by the same standard that still requires Germans today to pay reparations to descendants of victims of the Nazi holocaust.

       3. Fog of war-maybe Hamas did it

       4. zionism is gooooood.

25. The loud despicable menacing vicous blood curling words coming out of Israel from president ,PM, rabbi, academicians,and IDF have led directly to the bombing .It was intentional .This what Israel wanted. Many more to come .

26. THE MID-EAST MADNESS SPREADS TO THE WEST BANK https://www.salon.com/2023/10/17/with-all-eyes-on-gaza-israeli-soldiers-and-settlers-dozens-of-west-palestinians_partner/

    “Israeli soldiers and settlers—who are receiving thousands of assault rifles from the government—have killed dozens of Palestinians in the illegally occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem over the past week, officials there said on Friday.”
    “Israeli settlers are shooting, injuring, setting fires, and damaging property and trees,” the group added. “There is evidence that soldiers are allowing the violence to continue, sometimes joining in.”
    On Wednesday, a group of masked gunmen from the illegal Esh Kodesh settler outpost attacked the West Bank village of Qusra, south of Nablus. The attackers stormed the village in all-terrain vehicles, shooting indiscriminately and killing four Palestinians while wounding 11 others, including a 6-year-old girl. The settlers torched homes and other structures before fleeing.

    1. Israel despite proteststions want this conflicts get wider and worse but limited to Palestinian. US France UK Germany are fully on board . This is 21 st century’s 2nd Nakaba. Zionist are salivating but also shitting in pant over Iran and Hizbullah .
       US has committed to fight for Israel until each Arab are driven out of Eretz Israel.

       1. For 25 years Netanyahu, the Z-lobby and the neocons have been trying to get the US to go to war against Iran. Of course the Zionists want the war to get wider. They are looking for an excuse to start a war with Iran that would be fought by the US for Israel.
          Watch tomorrow when I expect Bibi will pressure Biden to attack Iran.

          1. That’s after somebody tells Biden where he is.

          2. Yes,poor poor Iran,who oppossed Oslo,peace,and talks of burning another country.

       2. Looks that way, doesn’t it? WWIII is a runaway train picking up speed every day now.

          1. The wild card is Russia. If there is a full scale attack on Syria, what then?

27. For those considering whether the Israeli claim that the devastation and mass casualties of the al-Ahli Hospital attack were caused by an errant Islamic Jihad rocket:

    Ask yourself if you have ever seen credible reports of weapons capable of this level of destruction and carnage used by Islamic Jihad or Hamas. Anywhere. Ever.

    https://www.abmission.org/appels/emergency-appeals/al-ahli-hospital-emergency-appeal/

    For the hasbarists who have joined these comments: If you want anyone not already programmed to uncritically accept Israeli claims to accept this one, you should provide evidence validated by independent observers and/or analysts. Given that Israel has often been caught lying about incidents like this (although none have been nearly as deadly as this one), we are extremely skeptical. For instance, don’t bother to trot out the “intercepted communication” claim unless and until it has been validated by experts not representing Israel or its supporters and enablers.

    1. “Ask yourself if you have ever seen credible reports of weapons capable of this level of destruction and carnage used by Islamic Jihad or Hamas. Anywhere. Ever.”

       OK.

       1. Is that intended as a serious response? If so, it’s a complete failure. It’s as unconvincing as the Israeli ambassador’s video purported to be of the attack on the hospital that (oops) was timestamped 45 minutes after the attack.

          Show us the detonations of those rockets or others like them. Show us the the post-strike targets.

          1. I don’t claim to know whether the hospital explosion was an Israeli strike or an accidental or false flag strike by Hamas or one of the other Gaza militant groups.

             But the notion that Hamas doesn’t have weapons capable of producing that effect is pure-D horseshit. They have both publicly displayed, and actually used, such weapons numerous times and for many years.

             1. i wonder how hamas is able to acquire such weapons when they, Iran and hezbollah have been subject to intense scrutiny for decades

       2. Fact: King Abdullah of Jordan did not need pictures to condemn. Regardless of whether he is right or wrong, that is the real world our president has to deal with. And in that real world of the Middle East there are far more people who believe that Israel did it than that Hamas did it. And in the long run it hardly matters what we in our safe world now believe happened.

          Every ruler in that region remembers what happened to the Shah of Iran.

       3. Actually that proves nothing, not even when and where it was taken.

    2. right then. Israel has responded fiercely, killing a great many Palestinian civilians, whom the Israelis refer to as “bugs” and “cattle” etc, with their stated goal of literally “wiping them all off the face of the earth”, but suddenly when they have blasted a hospital and might receive some condemnation, they claim that the Palestinians shot their own hospital with a defective missile? here is the reality =
       “by deception, thou shalt do war”
       …… Israeli Mossad

28. Just another blood libel. We are used to it. There are videos showing a barrage of rockets heading to Israel, one of which falls in the area of the hospital. Israel was not bombing in the area. There is a recording of two Palestinians discussing the mishap. During the last 10 days, 450 errant “resistance” missiles have fallen in Gaza. Furthermore, Hamas is known to store their weapons in places like hospitals and mosques where IDF is less likely to attack. In the past, when such an event has occurred, Israel has admitted to it. I’ve yet to hear Hamas launch an investigation and admit to a “mistake”. None of this seems to matter. Hamas is playing the world press like a violin, and they’re happy to comply.

    1. “None of this seems to matter. Hamas is playing the world press like a violin, and they’re happy to comply.”

       It’s certainly true that elements of the MSM are treating dubious, self-serving and sometimes preposterous claims with more skepticism than usual. Israel and its apologists (you) should be reflecting on that reality carefully.

       And think about this:

29. After my last post in this thread, someone sent me a link to this reading of Caitlin Johnstone’s most recent (?) post:

30. Surely with this latest no one can any longer defend Israel’s “right to exist”.

    1. speak for yourself.

       1. EVERYONE has the RIGHT to EXIST but beyond that, they should have the right to exist PEACEFULLY.

          1. That does not include the right to commit war crimes, and with audacity to press our faces in their manure and expect us to do the cleanup too.

             1. Fair enough…

31. President Biden is due to arrive in Israel on Wednesday and has plans to travel to Amman, but Jordan said it has canceled the summit following the hospital bombing. Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas has also canceled a planned meeting with Biden.

    Biden has no one to meet except Mr B…!

32. Crimes against humanity, yet?

33. If this explanation is true it will be a media coup for Israel. Either way, the fact that they were not responsible for this specific atrocity doesn’t excuse the large amounts of video evidence we have seen over the past week and a half of Israel carpet bombing Gaza.

    Here we see a perfect example of the media manipulating the human thought process. Much like Mai Lai became an aberration in the minds of most Americans, when it was in fact the tip of a very large iceberg, this will now be used to brand the American mind with the idea that all Palestinian deaths are being overplayed and are primarily the responsibility of Hamas/Islamic Jihad.

    For me whether this specific atrocity happened as first reported by all mainstream American media (pretty suspect if you ask me) is inconsequential to the larger question of Israeli war crimes. These war crimes are starting to look a lot like at best ethnic cleansing and at worst genocide.

    1. What is the difference morally and/or otherwise between ethnic cleansing and genocide?
       The Israelis have been bombing hospitals this is just one more.
       And the Botox face held Netanyahu’s hand telling him, from his notes we can guess, but he did not do it.

       1. Morally, it is a distinction without a difference. Either way I was clear in my comment that whatever the truth of this one incident there is overwhelming evidence that Israel is committing war crimes in Gaza.

34. Lies like that have never worked before and don’t work better with with more use, they are like wet toilet tissue.
    People like Biden and Netanyahu know no shame, what a shame for their country.

35. Backing the Slaughter & Silencing the Critics

    Western countries crack down on public support for Palestinians as the atrocities mount in Gaza.  The mask is off on the underlying brutality of the West’s disregard for civilian life and civil liberties

    ….Hananya Naftali, who currently works for Benjamin Netanyahu as a deputy media advisor, initially posted via social media that Israel had bombed the al-Ahli hospital before deleting the post and blaming Hamas for the attack.
    He eventually apologized and retracted his first post, as Israel blamed a misfired Hamas rocket for the grisly damage. An official Israeli government Twitter account also deleted a video they published as evidence of Hamas’s responsibility for the attack after it was exposed to have included a video dating from 2022.
    As journalist Jonathan Cook observed:
    “BBC News is going out of its way to lend a sympathetic ear to Israel’s patently ridiculous claim that Islamic Jihad, not Israel, hit al-Ahli hospital in Gaza, killing many hundreds of Palestinian families sheltering there. That’s even though every journalist at the BBC knows that no group in Gaza has a rocket capable of flattening an entire building. Their rockets would barely be able to knock a hole in one of the hospital’s wall”
    In just the last few days, members of Israel’s military and police forces admitted publicly their intent to target civilians in Gaza.
    Another Israeli strike destroyed a crucial UNRWA depot in central Gaza holding scarce supplies. Palestinian civilians were continuously shelled in their homes. The death toll of civilians continues to rise, with the real numbers unknown as untold numbers of people remain under the rubble, with no one left in some families to reclaim the bodies.
    Riyad Mansour, the Palestinian ambassador to the U.N. also reportedly pushed back on Netanyahu for denying Israel’s responsibility for the hospital bombing, saying: “He is a liar. His spokesperson and digital spokesperson tweeted that Israel did the hit thinking that this hospital was a base for Hamas. Then he deleted that tweet. Now they change the story to try to blame the Palestinians. It is a lie.”
    https://consortiumnews.com/2023/10/18/backing-the-slaughter-silencing-the-critics/

    Global outrage erupts over Israeli bombing of Gaza hospital
    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/10/18/yuur-o18.htmlK

36. Biden has made a deeply offensive statement, a transparent lie, that Israel did not do this. He said it was “the other team.”

    Liar.

    Disgusting.

    Worse, this sabotages any chance for the US to work with any of the Arabs for peace in the region. Whoever does help, however they help, it won’t include the US or be influenced by the US — because of this.

    They wouldn’t even meet with Biden, canceled the meetings, even before he said this. Now this lie puts him outside the pale, beyond hope of contact.

    1. Just like the pipeline sabotage, the shelling of the NPP, the babies Hamas people killed, you name it Putin or Hamas did it.
       Biden has no intention to work for peace, he is stoking for more war.
       If any American administration were real friends of Israel they would have used honorable, trustworthy diplomacy and would have put pressure on the Israelis to do what is right, namely to respect the right of the Palestinian people, stopped the Settlements instead of funding them. The Israelis would not have attacked the Liberty either. Whatever they are, friends they are not, they can’t really trust each other.

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