Secretary of State Antony Blinken declared in Tel Aviv on Thursday that “as long as America exists,” it will support Israel, a pledge that came amid a relentless Israeli bombardment of Gaza.
“The message that I bring to Israel is this: You may be strong enough on your own to defend yourself – but as long as America exists, you will never, ever have to. We will always be there, by your side,” Blinken said alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
Since Hamas launched an unprecedented attack on southern Israel on October 7, the US has shipped more military equipment to Israel, deployed an aircraft carrier strike group, and augmented its fighter jets in the region. Congress is poised to authorize more military aid on top of the $3.8 billion Israel receives each year.
“We’re delivering on our word — supplying ammunition, interceptors to replenish Israel’s Iron Dome, alongside other defense materiel. The first shipments of US military support have already arrived in Israel, and more is on the way,” Blinken said.
“As Israel’s defense needs evolve, we will work with Congress to make sure that they’re met. And I can tell you there is overwhelming — overwhelming — bipartisan support in our Congress for Israel’s security,” he added.
Blinken said it’s “important to take every possible precaution to avoid harming civilians” but did not mention the hundreds of children who have been killed by Israel’s onslaught on Gaza.
Also on Thursday, Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin said the new aid for Israel was unconditional. “In terms of conditions that we would place on the security assistance that we’re providing to Israel, we have not placed any conditions on the provision of this equipment,” he said.
According to Gaza’s Health Ministry, at least 1,537 Palestinians — including 500 children and 276 women — have been killed and 6,612 wounded in Israel’s airstrikes on the besieged enclave since Saturday. On the Israeli side, at least 1,300 people have been killed and 3,200 wounded. Israeli officials have also said 1,500 Hamas militants were killed in southern Israel, but the death toll hasn’t been confirmed.
Wow, speaking and promising for future generations now … how clairvoyant of him to know whom Americans will support decades from now.
Well, it’s not that difficult to predict support from the Bosses and the politicians subservient to the Lobby. And . . .
~Gustave Gilbert, reporting his interview with Herman Goering, Nuremberg, 18 April 1946
And Israel’s action now should be opposed to what alternative? Should they not be attempting to eliminate militant terrorists, who do not speak for the people they claim to represent (barely half of the civilians in the “Gaza” area agreed with a statement of attacking Israel) and attempt genocide of an entire people through terrorism and violence? While perhaps this quote can be relevant to other conflicts and/or wars of choice, it does not appear particularly insightful here, especially in light of the horrendous atrocities Hamas has committed this week.
Blocked for spreading your racist crap here.
Israel should negotiate, and free not only the hostages- but free the 2 million plus Palestinians people that have been imprisoned in the Gaza Concentration Camp for 16 years. They should treat all Palestinians with respect and dignity- and not call them “ human animals”.
If they start to respect the other people, they will stop to be true Israelis.
Let’s not generalize too much. Not all Jews are Zionists, and not all Israelis support Netanyahu.
The opening comments of Alastair Crooke in this link changed my perspective:
Also: https://news.antiwar.com/2023/10/08/israeli-lawmaker-says-pogroms-against-palestinians-provoked-hamas-assault/
If you have an Israeli passport ( and are NOT an Palestinianbunder duress ) you bare the mark of Cane.
Passports in general ARE duress.
And 70% of Israelis are native-born Palestinians.
They’ll NEVER be native born to anything but a wholly illegitimate colony.
Russia was the greatest contributor to Zionism and Israel by its pogroms and child kidnapping. Stalin originally supported Israel in that it originaly had many socialists.
How can I find out more about Israeli demographics?
For more about Israeli demographics log onto http://www.ifamericansknew.org
wiki is better.
I don’t think so.
Comparing the numbers of Arab and Israeli killed children since 2000, gives an idea who are the real terrorists, and it is not Arabs.
Thanks!
I missed your comment before, but just now linked above to World Population Review.
Before WW II, the vast majority of Palestinian population (at the time, Palestine included also all modern Israel) were Arabs. Zionists started to move to Palestine in 19th century. Before that, Palestine had an insignificant number of the followers of Judaism. Before WW II, Zionists in Palestine had a bit more than 10% of population. The main political tool of Zionists in Palestine before WW II, was terrorism. Modern Israel has even a memorial celebrating a successful Zionist terror act against Brits. In that particular terror act about one hundred people were killed.
Are you talking about current demographics?
He is just inventing numbers. Almost all Israelis came to Palestine as colonizers.
70% of current Israeli citizens were born in Palestine.
Correction: 73%. I hadn’t checked in a little while.
So what? Children of settlers born in occupied territory are still settlers, not indigenous. A Caucasian born on the Navaho reservation is not a Navaho. French Algerians whose families lived in Algeria for generations were not Algerian citizens. It is up to the Palestinians to determine whether or not to grant citizenship to settlers or their children.
The behavior of the West Bank settlers is not making a strong case for citizenship for their children. But that is a question the Palestinian people will have toultimately decide.
One may also add an example of apartheid regime of South Africa. Essentially it is the same.
South Africa was different than Palestine. The entire world, including the US, condemned and sanctioned South Africa. SA was boycotted and lost their seat in the UN. Military aid was cut. As a result most white South Africans accepted rule by the indigenous majority and those whites who chose to stay in South Africa remained citizens.. Israel receives unconditional support for the US and almost complete recognition by the international community and no meaningful international sanctions. The Zionist majority therefore is not willing to compromise or even recognize the rights of the Palestinians. As Desmond Tutu observed, the apartheid in Israel is much worse than the apartheid in South Africa.
The main difference between South African apartheid regime and Israeli regime is that Israel is supported by US oligarchy which, probably, no less than 70% is Zionist.
The proportion of congress members and members of the executive branch who support Zionism is much higher than 70%.
I mean the financial elite of USA.
It’s not up to the government of one state (Palestine, which has existed since 1988) to “grant citizenship” to people who live in another (Israel, which is 40 years older).
Interesting that you subscribe to the concept of ethnic taint, though. Are you a full-blown one-dropper or just some less virulent type of ethnic bigot?
Israel has never been a legitimate state. The indigenous population never surrendered their soverignty and have continuously resisted Zionist colonization.
I resent you calling me an ethnic bigot. The Palestinians have the same right to self determination on their own land as other indigenous people.
“I resent you calling me an ethnic bigot.”
Well, feel free to stop being an ethnic bigot any time it pleases you, after which I won’t take notice of your ethnic bigotry anymore.
Insults are stupid. Stop calling me names because I point out that your American idea of birthright citizenship is not recognized by Palestine or most countries in the world, including Israel. Birthright citizenship exists mostly in some settler-colonial countries like the USA and many countries in Latin America where it has been used to legitimize the offspring of colonizers.
Ironically, Israel doesn’t recognize birthright citizenship o0f Palestinians displaced by the Nakba and perverts the concept to grant citizenship based purely on ethnicity.
You’re the one babbling about “citizenship” and screeching that if you don’t like where someone’s ancestors were born they’re not entitled to live anywhere you don’t want them to (but if they’re members of the PLA, they’re welcome to occupy Tibet indefinitely).
I’m just pointing out that more than 70% of Israeli Jews are also native-born Palestinians.
That’s a fact. You don’t have to like the fact that it’s a fact. It’s a fact whether you like the fact that it’s a fact or not, bigot.
You’re the one babbling about “citizenship” and screeching that if you don’t like where someone’s ancestors were born they’re not entitled to live anywhere you don’t want them to (but if they’re members of the PLA, they’re welcome to occupy Tibet indefinitely).
I’m just pointing out that more than 70% of Israeli Jews are also native-born Palestinians.
That’s a fact. You don’t have to like the fact that it’s a fact. It’s a fact whether you like the fact that it’s a fact or not, bigot.
You’re the one babbling about “citizenship” and screeching that if you don’t like where someone’s ancestors were born they’re not entitled to live anywhere you don’t want them to (but if they’re members of the PLA, they’re welcome to occupy Tibet indefinitely).
I’m just pointing out that more than 70% of Israeli Jews are also native-born Palestinians.
That’s a fact. You don’t have to like the fact that it’s a fact. It’s a fact whether you like the fact that it’s a fact or not, bigot.
Your insults are infantile. You sound like Jake.
That’s disappointing. Usually your comments are sensible.
I’m not the one insisting that people should only get to live where I decide they can live based on their ancestry, or that if an invaded/conquered/occupied/annexed people don’t resist “enough” for me, it’s all good.
I don’t get to decide where anyone lives except on my own property.
The land of Palestine still belongs to the Palestinians. The settlers are colonizers who are trespassing. The indigenous people will decide who lives there and whether they (the Palestinians) feel comfortable raising their children among the people who committed terrible crimes against the Palestinians. The Palestinians have that right.
And more than 70% of Israeli Jews are Palestinians.
That is your eccentric opinion. I doubt that 1% of Palestinians, Israelis or anyone else would agree. It is a silly pseudo syllogism that doesn’t advance anyone’s understanding of the real problem. Your fallacy is assuming that people born in Palestine are necessarily Palestinian. Palestinians believe that children with Palestinian parents are Palestinian and children born to non-Palestinian parents are not Palestinian.
Ah, now you get to whitewesternerexplain for the Palestinians, whether they, or reality, agree with you or not.
Antiwar removed my comment with facts which are easy to prove. Now, it looks, any truth about Israel is unwelcome.
If I ever set foot in Israel, it will be to see Bethlehem. But I had a friend who moved there who wouldn’t hurt a fly.
“historical land of Israel which doesn’t coincide with the actual Israel today” (and which is much larger) – they mean the fake “ancient Israel” which according to them, stopped to exist some 1500 years ago. Very few people in The West dare to question the fake history created in 16th century. Almost everything what does concern the history before 16th century is fake. The most ancient original phonetic texts are no older than 600 years. There are very few of them. All the rest are “copies” which appeared massively in 16th-18th centuries. The plain fact is: the history is written by politicians. It was always so. “Traditional history” was forced upon people in 16th-17th centuries by Catholic Vatican. The cornerstone of the fake “traditional history” is Scaliger’s chronology. It is an obvious fake but it is more sacred for western politicians and historians than Koran for Muslims. Scaliger dated the creation of Earth. According to him, Earth was created about 6000 years ago. Those 6000 years he filled with “ancient kingdoms”. All education and science in western and central Europe was controlled by the clergy. Then they spread this version of history to the rest of the world. In 18th century they stopped mention Scaliger’s dating of creation of Earth because it is too absurd but all the rest of his chronology is accepted by western politicians and forced upon the rest of the world.
Zionists use this fake as justification for their territorial expansionism.
The Tsarist expansion across Eurasia was really great for the absorbed peoples.
Russia is great because Russia started as multiethnic Christian country. Later, some other nations volunteered to join Russia because Russia looked to them more attractive than Ottoman Empire or Iran.
Yes, Crooke’s comments were very enlightening.
The problem with Crooke that he believes in “ancient Israel”.
Yes, there are more Christian Zionists than there are Jewish Zionists.
Who forked up Oslo-Arafat.Hamas refused and refuses negotiations.Allowing 2 million Gazans into Israel will be suicidal-period. Plenty of space in Egyptian Sinai-Egypt does not want them either.”
“Hamas refused and refuses negotiations”
Which is precisely why the Israeli regime backed, funded, and at least as late as a couple of years ago continues to support them.
Israel — mostly Netanyahu and his cronies — certainly favored Hamas, because it weakened the PA and its campaign for a two-state solution. And it seems clear that Israel has had an “understanding” with Qatar about the provision of funding to Hamas. I’ve often heard claims about Israel providing funds itself, but I haven’t seen credible evidence of that. Can you help?
They’ve admitted it.
Citation?
This isn’t a conspiracy theory. Listen to former Israeli officials such as Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, “The Israeli government gave me a budget,” the retired brigadier general confessed, “and the military government gives to the mosques.”
“Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009.
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That’s not a citation for the claim that the Israeli government has directly funded Hamas. I don’t necessarily doubt that it did, I just prefer evidence before making judgments about alleged facts.
I’d say its pretty damn damning as admissions go, but hey that’s just me – and most any objective observer.
It may be damning, but it is not evidence for the claim of direct funding of Hamas by the Israeli government. Seriously, accuracy counts. And what I’m seeing here is a lot of sloppy reasoning driven by emotion — on both sides of the issue. I am certainly not seeing anything remotely like objective observers (which I don’t think exist, anyway).
I would be surprised if there WASN’T some direct Israeli funding for Hamas, at least in its earlier days.
The point of Israeli regime support for Hamas (publicly admitted to by Netanyahu at least as late as 2019) was to split the movement for a unitary Palestinian state between the largely secular PLO/PFLP/Fatah and an Islamist wing. The split was considered good in itself, and Islamists make better bogeymen than secular opponents.
Sure, maybe direct funding was a reality. All I’ve said is that I haven’t seen any evidence of it and all I’ve seen in response is a lot of insisting and no evidence.
Actually, I think the key reason support for Hamas was attractive to Netanyahu and the Israeli hard right is that Hamas opposed a two-state solution and the Netanyahu gang also opposes it, vehemently. With Hamas in power in Gaza, Israel has been able to tell the world that it simply can’t negotiate toward a Palestinian state — because it “doesn’t have a partner.”
No, it’s a confession….
Dead to rites, guilty.
Throw them to the mob.
It’s certainly not a confession to what some of you are claiming definitely happened. Anyway, as you may know, in careful justice systems, confessions to serious crimes aren’t sufficient for obtaining convictions.
We can let this go now, but I’ll continue to want evidence to support judgments and findings of fact.
We can let this go now,
I’d say that’s your best bet. To any casual observer it looks bad for Israel.
OK, you stick with what you think it looks like to casual observers. 🙄
And you can stick it where the sun don’t shine.
You left out “created”.
Free Free Palestine! 🇵🇸
Yes, I only included the assertions which are actually admitted to or otherwise corroborated. “Created” is possible, but not known for sure (to me, anyway).
I’ve seen the quote from an Israeli official or former official.
I’m searching for it now and will get back to you.. In the meantime – Free Free Palestine! 🇵🇸
Neither the Israeli regime nor Hamas has any interest in “freeing Palestine.” Their argument is over which gang gets to treat its people as livestock.
Who gets to lead Palestine to victory was settled by the Palestinian people when they elected Hamas in 2006.
Free Free Palestine! 🇵🇸
Tell me you’ve never actually looked at the circumstances and results of the 2006 election without telling me you’ve never actually looked at the circumstances and results of the 2006 election.
You quibbling over the date? Wedge ass!…Please tell me what is your beef against democracy in action?
No, I’m not quibbling over the date. I’m pointing out that a minority of a minority — what was turnout? How many of them voted, or were allowed to vote, at all? — doesn’t constitute some kind of mandate for Hamas’s actions. Especially after nearly 20 years of refusing to expose themselves to the possibility of being UN-elected.
What refused elections was your PA sockpuppets of the Zios because they’d lose BIG TIME.
I don’t have any “PA sockpuppets of the Zios.” None of the Palestinian regimes, nor the Israeli regime, either answer to me or enjoy my support.
What good is an election of a body that has no real power?
I would like to see Palestine freed in my lifetime but I will be81 in December so I probably won’t be alive to see it.
We live in an aging society… Do you realize you’re an adolescent?… PARTY! 🥳
Just walk out .Indonesia did from E Timor. Sudan did from S Sudan . Farnce did for Alzeria . Just walk out .
Ha Ha, don’t hold your breath. Israels got it and they are keeping it
Where are they supposed to walk to-Atlantis?
Thats one choice .
Nope. The Israeli regime wants land. Lots of land for settlers. Also, there is natural gas in the waters that Israel would like to get hold of. Palestinians were not allowed to develop it.
If it were only that simple
You forgot the god gave it to us part.
https://news.antiwar.com/2023/10/08/israeli-lawmaker-says-pogroms-against-palestinians-provoked-hamas-assault/
This isn’t a conspiracy theory. Listen to former Israeli officials such as Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, “The Israeli government gave me a budget,” the retired brigadier general confessed, “and the military government gives to the mosques.”
“Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009.
– The Intercept –
https://news.antiwar.com/2023/10/08/israeli-lawmaker-says-pogroms-against-palestinians-provoked-hamas-assault/
Can you cite any evidence that Israel supported and/or funded Hamas after the Second Intifada? I understand Israel encouraged Hamas as a counterweight to Fatah and the PLO after the First intifada. But I believe that support ended shortly thereafter. Do you have evidence to the contrary?
“Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas. This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.” — Benjamin Netanyahu, March 2019 (14 years after the end of the Second Intifada), as quoted in Haaretz
Thanks for the cite. Haaretz is a fairly reputable source of news. I am still dubious about the claim that Netanyahu recently supported Hamas. Netanyahu’s enemies are as fanatical as Trump’s enemies in this country and no less prone to spreading inaccurate information about their target. But it seems likely the quote is accurate.
The Zionists did when the murdered Rabin.
It seems to me that men of peace like MLK,Rabin,Ghandi etc have a cloud of violence over their head that always finds them which is certainly food for thought.
And Nelson Mandela.. Not to draw any conclusions about Israel being an APARTHEID entity…
You can add JFK and his paramour Mary Pinchot Meyer to that group. A very interesting book to read about it is Peter Janney’s book, “Mary’s Mosaic.” It’s a real page turner, and you won’t be able to put it down.
I am reading a book by David Talbot about the Nazi Dulles brothers,Secretary of State and head of tghe CIA which raises a lot of questions and opinions about JFKs death after he pulled the air support for the Bay of Pigs
JFK is still dead. The militarism that killed him is still much alive. read David Talbots book on the Dulles brothers and foreign policy.
Wendell, I have been recommending Talbott’s book for years. Did you know that David Talbott is the son of the old movie actor, Lyle Talbott?
Another good book to read is “The Brothers” by Stephen Kinzer. It is about the Dulles brothers, John Foster and Alan.
Another lie .
But Israel has had no qualms about continuing to take their land.
Hamas is Israeli’s Frankenstein monster. They were so eager to divide Palestinians and weaken the PLO, that they didn’t see their own plan backfire on them.
Kind of like US funding the Mujahideen.
It won’t happen.Racism multiplied many times over with a major kand grab.
No one wants Gaza.Speaking of racism,just google Hamas and hate cartoons.
Is Gaza the open air place where Israel imprisons all those whose homes & land were confiscated by the state?
Manypeople lived there before 1947, some refugees came later.
You betcha.
Or google Israeli children signing bombs destined for Gaza. Or shirts worn by the IDF that show a pregnant Palestinian woman in their crosshairs with a cold-hearted sick comment about “two birds with one stone”.
I don’t have to google Hamas,I read what you write
Final Solution. Bibi and Ben-Gvir want it.
Do you really think that Israel will commit national suicide?allowing 2 million impoverished and angry people in,spearheaded by 40,000 highly trained fanatical terrorists?
What do you mean in?. The Palestinians don’t want to live in Disneyland: they want their own land in alignment with the 67′ borders.
Then why did they kill Oslo?
No they won’t so the killing and imprisonment will continue until the civil world rises up against Israel and the US if it still exists 10 years from now.
No, they could always leave through the door they barged from.
Free Free Palestinian! 🇵🇸
Also, free those who are hostages in he jails of Israel. Detainees, such as children returning home from school are in those jails.
Yes,and let themselves be driven into the sea.
“… attempt genocide of an entire people through terrorism and violence”
Ooo, ooo, Hamas “terrorists” … tell us again about the beheaded babies.
And no women were raped-Yeah right.
What’s her name?…
Let them do it on their own dime
If it was on their dime there’d be no Israel… Leaches.
Israel’s action now should be to cease fire, open the concentration camp gates, remove settlers from the West Bank, etc. Its action then should move to supporting a truly sovereign Palestine with mutually-acceptable boundaries. And so on.
Of course, Israel won’t do that and if it did it wouldn’t be nearly adequate compensation for the Nakba and the ensuing three-quarters of a century of oppression, ethnic cleansing and apartheid.
Excellent post!
For several years Hamas has said it would support a two state solution with a long cease fire. If Israel had wise leadership it would do what you suggest and spend the next ten years trying to convince the Palestinians that long term peace with Israel as neighbors is preferable to resumed war. That is the best hope of the two peoples peacefully coexisting.
“What alternative?”
Ah, yes, TINA, there is no alternative, eh? 57 years of occupation, control, and jailing of an entire people has led to a poor strategic situation? Do tell.
At any rate, when you see yourself in a situation where the only alternative seems to be mass starvation and murder of the other side, I suggest thinking some more about real alternatives.
(barely half of the civilians in the “Gaza” area agreed with a statement of attacking Israel)
And they’ll be subject to the same brutality that those who back Hamas will receive.
Hamas speaks he language of violence Israel has taught it. If there had been no occupation, no oppression, there would be no Hamas.
This is not true. Hamas is both non-representative (barely half of the population of Gaza supported a statement of attacking Israel) and illegitimate as terrorist organizations like Hamas hide their weapons, equipment and personnel in civilian infrastructure oftentimes through either coercion or without consent in order to influence the media and the general world. Israeli governmental policy toward “Palestinian Resistance” has taken every possible step toward “reconciliation” and general de-escalation, with Israeli security forces even pulling out of Gaza, granting the region effective self-government, their ostensible goal, yet terrorist attacks and calls for genocide from these organizations did not cease. Israeli Security Forces routinely allow children hoping for “martyrdom” to attack their tanks and personnel, strikes against known terrorists use special forces instead of explosives for fear of civilian casualties, something that results in far more military casualties, yet this muted response wouldn’t qualify as self-defense? If killings and violence were truly the reasons for this conflict, wouldn’t the conflict cease when Hamas became the de-facto government in Gaza and gained controlled of the entire territory of Gaza without an Israeli Security presence? Additionally, on issues of political representation and/or disenfranchisement, even if somehow true, never justify indiscriminate terrorist attacks against civilians on any side of a conflict.
Bla bla blah… They won both the election and the PA ‘s electing to shoot it out… Losers.
FREE FREE PALESTINIAN 🇵🇸
Is Blinken a dual Israeli/US citizen?
Yes, or “traitor” – if you’re into the whole brevity thing.
I don’t approve of dual citizens in government at any level.
I remember the Liberty 🇺🇸
34 crew dead. 171 wounded. A terrible “mistake” made by gun boats, jets, over a period of hours. Survivors still alive meet every year on 8 June to remember their fellow crew members who perished.
I believe he’s covered by the “Law Of Return”, in any case. 😉
Send him back,postage paid. He is defective merchandise.
He knows who the American Federal government will support and, therefore, whom the American people will “support” whether they want to or not
Don’t be silly. Blinken’s word doesn’t mean anything to anyone who knows him. He isn’t exactly known for his grip on reality either.
In case we Americans didn’t already have an excess of reasons to be ashamed of our government.
At the rate we’re going, no guarantees of that.
God if the United States of America’s $31 trillion in the hole,
Taxes ought not to pay to keep Tel Aviv on the dole
Israelis and Gazans are 6 feet in the ground
Cause Benjamin Netenyahu’s an extremist clown,
Lord it’s a damn shame. . .
I think it’s over 34 trillion in the hole. I’d love for it to be only 31. How sad is that?
The problem was there way before Nete,and will remain after him.
Correct, the problem is Zionism.
As America should. “Never Again” is more than a slogan, it is about making sure the largest and most horrendous genocide in human history is never again repeated, with this week’s violence and terrorism against the state of Israel further underscoring its importance in the “modern world”. The world has come together to condemn Hamas’s unjustifiable terrorism and support Israel, and we can only wish the brave souls of the Israeli Defense Forces godspeed in their mission.
Just to make sure I understand, you’re saying Al Ahgsa Flood = Nazi Holocaust, 40 beheaded babies = Auschwitz. So tell us more of the details of the famous “40”, names and ages, was their skin harvested to make lampshades, etc.? and more edifying stories of the “brave” and “godsped IDF” massively bombing a trapped and defenseless “terrorist” population.
No,just very very bad act on the part of Hamas.NBC displayed Arabic documents showing that they targeted children on their attack on a village.
You mean those documents that says Hamas were going to enter schools on a Saturday?
Sounds believable/ s
Godspeed and pay for it yourself you welfare queens
Could you elaborate on that mission?
The word of the American Government is worthless and no one, anywhere, should ever believe what the American government says.
Biden is no better than Trump. Birds of a feather.
‘As long as America Exists,’ It Will Support Israel
“”You may be strong enough on your own to defend yourself – but as long as America exists, you will never, ever have to. We will always be there, by your side“”
“We will always be there, by your side ….”
really WTF how about old american ladies that need them some hip-surgery or little american dudes that could use them some school books and some school lunches, how about them?
you son-of-bitches …. how about them ? what. Zelensky needs a couple of hundred (100’s of) billion more and SURPRISE! Taiwan needs a couple of (10’s of) billion more and not to be out done; effin Israel needs also (10’s of) billions more.
i swear to God, yalls are lucky that i am not in charge …
Yes, we are lucky. You’d send that money to Russia.
Never heard spy on this say a thing about sending money to Russia. In fact, I remember him saying Ukraine has the right to attack Russian territory because it’s a war after all. But you just can’t help yourself now can you? Everyone that doesn’t want Ukraine to be sacrificed for the West must be a Putin supporter. Must be that guilt popping up again about you being an actual supporter of his.
Oh go eat a fat one, collaborator.
You talk like i got in this blog a week ago. I remember all the BS you Putin lovers write.
I will start ignoring you but keep on sucking on Putin and hating on US.
It’s a free ‘Merican blog. How awesome .
Then you must have something where spy on this mentioned something about sending money to Russia. Surely you must have a quote to back up your assertion.
I, on the other hand do have some quotes from you: Regarding all of us Putin lovers:
You: “I used to respect Putin and side with him a while ago, that stopped in 2014”.
So, you just stop respecting Vlad a mere 9 years ago. Lots of stuff happened before that.
And about hating on the US.
You: “And yes, i’m against US invasion of all previous wars.”
My goodness, weren’t you in one of those? Not very patriotic of you Don.
The DC ghouls know enough to obey their masters in the DIC (defense industrial complex)
Voltaire: the strong do as they may, the weak suffer as they must. That attitude prevails among the MIC.
And the banking cartel.
75 years US is sabotaging the creation of Palestinian Arab state while Israel all this time is busy with stealing Arab land. The international community failed to enforce the UN resolution about Palestinian State. So why anyone should be surprised when Palestinians themselves are taking up arms and defending their land? Every nation has the right to defend it’s own land. Of course, such a staggering lack of justice will breed more violence. It is silly to accuse Palestinians of terrorism.
‘Every nation has the right to defend it’s own land”
That’s great, coming from a Russian war supporter.
Remind yourself that when you post on Ukraine.
Novorossia and Slobozhanshchina are Russian lands. Those lands never belonged to historical Ukraine. Novorossian towns were founded by Russian monarchs in 18-19 centuries and were populated by people from central Russia. Before that, some of those lands belonged to Crimean Tatars but it never belonged either to Ukraine or Poland. Unlike fictional “ancient Israel” which allegedly stopped to exist more than a thousand years ago, it is a real history which everyone, who lives on those lands, knows from previous generations.
Russia was okay to leave millions of Russian people in Ukraine and never claimed those historical Russian lands until US military infrastructure started to appear in Novorossia and the neo-Nazi Kiev regime begun the genocide of Donbass people.
Hear hear.
Yes, that depends on how do you interpret history. I’ll find many historians that disagree with you.
Based on your history analogy, we’ll have to re-write our global borders. Russia needs to invade and annex Alaska too. Same with Turkey. Kaliningrad and Finland’s territory held by Russia should be returned too.
The list is huge.
How convenient.
Every case should be considered separately because it is never the same. Alaska was sold (by the way, Latvia and Estonia also were sold to Russia by Sweden. Of course, it doesn’t mean that Latvian and Estonians have no right for the independence, the same as people of Donbass and Crimea). Why only Kaliningrad? Kaliningrad oblast is only half of East Prussia. The other half Stalin gave to Poland. Also he gave to Poland German lands which now are western regions of Poland. It was considered fair because of the awful crimes committed by Nazi Germany against Soviet people; many millions of civilians were killed. So, giving back Kaliningrad to Germans, would be kind of rehabilitation of Nazism.
Russia sold Alaska.Case closed.
Ancient artefacts show that Jewish history in Palestine is very real.
International law recognizes the right of the oppressed to resist. Hamas’ action was legal.
Murdering non-combatants isn’t legal.
Tell it to those who dropped nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
How quickly do we forget?
We have told it and continue to tell it to our nuclear-terrorist government, and to the world, in the case of the bombing of Japan. And we also tell it to Hamas and the world in the case of the unconscionable slaughter of civilians in the recent attacks.
At the same time, we tell Israel and the world that Israel bear primary responsibility for the circumstances and conditions that led to this horror show.
The slaughter of civilians, particular women and children, is awful. It needs condemnation and explanation. Still it is strange to watch as the western politicians are freaking out about several hundreds of murdered Israeli civilians while at the same time the same politicians are supporting the murder of millions of civilians when those civilians don’t belong to The West.
Obviously, this murder of Israelis was carefully planned. If we leave aside the version that Hamas was paid for this atrocity by US oligarchy, it looks, they are trying to lure Israeli army into Gaza where they have a well prepared defense. Also it serves for discouraging of Israeli settlers. On the other hand, as we know, only about 6 hours after the beginning of Hamas attack, Israeli army started to act. It is very strange considering how well Israel is prepared for terrorist attacks. Now those people who 6 hours did nothing while their job was to act immediately are most loudly demanding the vengeance. It reminds of 9/11.
Those ones are dead. Let’s tell that to the ones pushing the buttons today.
I have.
My understanding is that lthe attack focused on army depots, checkpoints, and police stations, and armed settlers.
The attack also focused on, and deliberately killed, hundreds of innocent, unarmed, helpless civilians.
The Palestinians, including Hamas, have every right to fight back against the occupying Israeli forces. They have no right to engage in terrorism and war crimes. They clearly have engaged in terrorism and war crimes in this attack
Isn’t is a waste to talk about having or not having the right when you weren’t raised in that open air prison? Or were you?
The conversation here is about rights under international law. Your question makes no sense in that context and seems to be an expression of your feelings. Feelings count, but they don’t change the laws we’re discussing.
There are no international laws when not everyone pays attention to them. This isn’t complicated, but it is sophistry.
Do you understand that the effect of your argument is to justify or minimize the slaughter of noncombatants — because others have already slaughtered noncombatants?
And you appear to have a rather bizarre understanding of “sophistry” — that it means an argument you don’t like.
Your understanding is totally wrong.Armed settlers would have been more difficult to kill.Attacks focused on party goers,women, children,farmers.
The attacks focused on civilians,particularly the very young.
You’ve lied so much with your atrocity porn, no one believes anything from your side. But I’m sure you’re comforted by the fact that you’re starving and slaughtering vastly more than the canonical 7 x70 Palestinians babies.
The majority of the western world believes as I do. Don’t Know what 7 x 70 babies refers to,don’t care.
Indeed it is entirely possible to condem the massacre of civilians at music festivals and homes while also decrying bombing and starving 2 million people who are not Hamas and whose only crime was the misfortune of having been born in Gaza.
I just wish that the US would stop directly funding the latter by subsidizing Israel and also stop indirectly funding the former by dumping weapons around the world with zero accountability.
Its legal when Israel does .America lubricates the legality by echoing Israeli hymn – Israel has a right to defend itself . Lubrication is important It helps swallow the inconsistency .
One man’s non-combatant is another’s oppressor.
No one is free of blame – especially those who freely chose their leadership and hence, their policy towards Palestinians, by free vote.
I condemn violence as a means of settling disputes, but I still condemn Israel and Israelis for voting for governments which promote and support apartheid.
People are free to find apologies for Israel, but in my opinion, Israel as it was refurbished following the Holocaust was a gigantic mistake, and nothing I’ve seen since has altered that view.
It isn’t justice to allow people to be forced from their homes and homeland in order to erase someone else’s guilt.
There are population shifts, In the US,during and after WW2,US blacks fled the South to escape sharecropping,Jim Crow, and lynch law. They hoped for defense jobs. When they came north,they were met with less than welcoming arms. Jews fled to the new nation of Israel,as most European countries told them to fork off.
Well said my brother.
The Us repeatedly pushed the Peace Process-it was sabatoged by Hamas and Iran.
American peace process failed miserably because it was all about giving Palestinian Arabs some money in hope they will shut up and don’t protest much when Israelis are stealing their land. Some Arabs accepted such rules but others did not and you can’t blame them for their wish to have their own Palestinian Arab state as it was decided by UN in 1947. Don’t forget that about 5 years ago US recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. According to UN resolution, Jerusalem should be the capital of Palestinian Arab state. Do you call this “pushing the peace process”?
“According to UN resolution, Jerusalem should be the capital of Palestinian Arab state”
According to the UN resolution, Jerusalem should be an international city belong to neither the Jewish state nor the Arab state.
“According to UN resolution, Jerusalem should be the capital of Palestinian Arab state”
According to the UN resolution, Jerusalem should be an international city belong to neither the Jewish state nor the Arab state.
According to UN resolution, eastern part of Jerusalem should belong to Arabs and western part to Israel. Later Palestinian Arab state proclaimed Jerusalem it’s capital. In 1967 Arab part of Jerusalem was occupied by Israel. UN never recognized East Jerusalem as Israeli. So, according to UN resolution 181, Palestinian Arab state had right to have their part of Jerusalem as the capital of their state.
International supervision over Jerusalem was necessary after the departure of British militaries. The territory of Jerusalem was divided between Israel and Arab Palestine.
“According to UN resolution, eastern part of Jerusalem should belong to Arabs and western part to Israel.”
Is it too much to ask that you actually read the resolution, even if only once, instead of just making up whatever you want it to say and pretending it says that? Here, I’ll help:
“The City of Jerusalem shall be established as a corpus separatum under a special international regime and shall be administered by the United Nations.”
Don’t you see that the Trusteeship Council was a temporarily one?
Here is a bit of text from the resolution:
“D. DURATION OF THE SPECIAL REGIME
The statute elaborated by the Trusteeship Council on the aforementioned principles shall come into force not later than 1 October 1948. It shall remain in force in the first instance for a period of ten years, unless the Trusteeship Council finds it necessary to undertake a re-examination of these provisions at an earlier date. After the expiration of this period the whole scheme shall be subject to re-examination by the Trusteeship Council in the light of the experience acquired with its functioning. The residents of the City shall be then free to express by means of a referendum their wishes as to possible modifications of the regime of the City.”
Thanks for confirming that there’s nothing whatsoever in the resolution about splitting Jerusalem between Jews and Arabs, with eastern Jerusalem being the capital of an Arab state. You just made it up, because it’s what you wish was in there.
Are you pretending or you really don’t understand? After 10 years of the special regime, according to the resolution, citizens of Jerusalem were supposed to decide themselves about status of Jerusalem. Both Israelis and Arabs wanted it to be their capital. East Jerusalem is recognized as the capital of Palestinian Arab state by many countries, including Russia and China.
How else could it be administered by UN?
Israel acted against UN resolution. East Jerusalem is under illegal occupation.
“After 10 years of the special regime, according to the resolution, citizens of Jerusalem were supposed to decide themselves about status of Jerusalem.”
That’s not what the UN resolution says. It says that those living in Jerusalem could consider “modifications” to its international city regime.
How do you mean UN could administer Jerusalem? UN can act only by consensus. So, according to the resolution, they administered it as they could. East Jerusalem was recognized as Arab. So, according to the resolution, Arabs decided that it should be their capital. Their decision was supported by 3 permanent members of UNSC. France did recognized East Jerusalem as future capital of Palestine.
I’m not sure if you just make up history as you go along, or if you’re not very good at reading English for comprehension, or both. Or maybe it’s part of your “everything in history since a few hundred years ago is made up” schtick.
Just bla-bla-bla? You have nothing else to say?
Read the resolution and try to understand how UN was supposed to act after 10 years of a temporary special regime.
Israel has a real gift for that kind of thing.
Who cares what the UN says?-it has failed to stop most wars. The only hope for peace in Jerusalem and else where is if both sides work one out.If Palestinians would accept a corridor from West Jerusalem to the Wailing wall,and the peaceful right to prayer for all,it would be much better for all.No reason why two flags could not fly side by side. Meanwhile,possession is 9 points.
Israel was created by UN.
That is Americas purpose; providing political cover for Israel human rights abuse.
Certainly not enforcing the 28 UN resolutions Israel contravenes today,.
Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan . . . America doesn’t even make it in the top three for these DC bogmonsters
We actually already knew that Israel is the reason for you to exist, Blinken. It’s not our reason and you can’t cry enough to make it so. But, I wouldn’t mind if you cried a lot more. Never stop crying. It looks good on you. (Sarcasm)
If i had one wish i would wish the continent of America would sink beneath the Atlantic / Pacific.
You mean US and north America, right…?
That would mean 330 Million dead Americans who ALL are not evil.
Plus central Americans
How long can you tread water?
New USA! New capitol. Real democracy with seven facets instead of three corrupt branches.
I favor San Francisco.
New York Times, 2012:
The winds of isolation and narrowness are blowing through Israel. Rude and arrogant power brokers, some of whom hold senior positions in government, exclude non-Jews from Israeli public spaces. Graffiti in the streets demonstrates their hidden dreams: a pure Israel with “no Arabs” and “no gentiles.”
–Avraham Burg
Just recently Christian preachers were spat on in the street, by adults and their children shouting obscenities about them and Jesus. Churches have been spat on and vandalized. The procession down Golgotha every year by Greek Orthodox priests is always beset by radicals who shout and spit at them, and who especially spit on the large wooden cross they carry. With Netanyahu’s new extremist government this has only increased. It was bad enough before, as Christian priests report. But U.S. media bosses want to keep this hidden.
Imagine what the people are forced to finance and support, a state turning other Middle Easterners against the U.S. for … an “ally”? What kind of ally always demands, never contributes? During the Iraq invasion, demanded by the Israeli lobby as Hussein was pro-Palestinian, the Israelis contributed no soldiers. But they were given their own communications panel by the Pentagon so they could listen in to all U.S. military communication.
In 2001, after 9/11, the largest spy ring ever discovered was rounded up on U.S. soil. It wasn’t Arab, it was Israeli. The Israeli “students” were selling art around the Capitol, and curiously also lived in Florida near the flight school where the 9/11 hijackers were practicing.
When the FBI finally arrested them, the White House ordered them released and quietly sent back to Israel.
A woman who worked for the FBI as a translator, translating the surveillance tapes of suspected al-Qaeda operatives in the U.S., reported that they seemed to change their speech, hide the criminal parts, after two Israeli businesses, with links to the Israeli military, took over the surveillance. She tried to raise the alarm about this and was gagged.
Furthermore, Israel in Lebanon knew that the Shia resistance (before Hezbollah was formed) was going to bomb the U.S. Marines. The Israelis let them pass. No doubt they thought this would make the U.S. engage deeper. (Jokes on them, Reagan pulled the troops out of Lebanon after the attack.)
Ally.
The US would never have allowed Israel to participate in the gulf war the Arab world would have exploded. As far as the FBI, there are many Jewish people living in the US who were born in Arab countries and speak Arabic fluently-the FBI did not hire them as linguists.
With friends like Israel the US does not need enemies.
Wrong…! Only North America…! The Central & South America do not want to support Israel…!
Each of the Latin countries will have their own opinions and can speak for themselves. Meanwhile Venezuala has a hate problemof its own.
Rumor has it that the US took so much military matériel from Israel to supply Ukraine that Israel is now facing a shortage. So, Biden may be trying to “get in front of the issue” before it makes the front pages.
Such an ugly little man, always someone’s puppet.
Can’t argue with that!
“The message that I bring to Israel is this: You may be strong enough on your own to defend yourself – but as long as America exists, you will never, ever have to. We will always be there, by your side,” Blinken said alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
Blinken is a contortionist. Able to stand next to turd bibi whilst his nose is buried up his ass.
Lol, that’s a vivid image. They’re all masters at leaning so far over the legal line their noses could touch ground but Blinken’s message wasn’t for Bibi, Bibi’s likely on his way out. Blinken’s message was for all the rest of the Zionists in control of that government – and ours.
The man is a shadow, one of T.S. Eliot’s Hollow Men, filled with straw, signifying nothing.
Sometimes the names of people, places and things can be revealing.
“Blinken” is a blinkered name for a diplomat (or a poker player.
Kinda like…
Pelosi Biden Kerry and Schumer have said much more interesting things making it clear their loyalties lie with Isreal.
So do a lot of the so called “America first” politicians
Support for Israel is much more popular among Republicans.
Well let’s see what’s happens after 2029-2030.
Yes we will see if we are still here which to my mind is in doubt
We have to look at this and ask, “If we remove religion from this situation, both in the USA and Israel, would the USA still hold this steadfast determination ?”
There is only one “religion”
threatening the extinction of others.
Actually there are several.
Name one.
Most of them — including any number of Christian, Jewish, and Hindu sects.
Bullscat, none of those explicitly command death to others today, except the “religion of peace”.
Don’t give me OT commands that no longer apply today, we are not talking about 4-3K years ago.
And, most precisely, how about a body count comparing deaths by commanded of each religion over the last 50 years.
Stop being absurd.
Old Testament commands that no longer apply today ?
Such a pie what can be baked from the cherries that Christians pick from their own holy book.
Estimates on Christian sects ranges from 25k to 44k worldwide; with several thousand at least in the USA. Each takes a different tack on major and minor issues, including the modern “need” for the OT. However, such revisionist methods to downplay the OT are contrary to a plain reading of the NT which states Jesus came to change “not one jot or tittle” of the Old Law, but to fulfil it.
Noticing too that tossing out the OT or less savory elements of it (and boy howdy are there many) necessarily demands one also toss the hallowed Ten Commandments (the most recognized set, not the other two sets of “commandments” from the story).
I do not dismiss the OT but its harsh directives were given by God Himself, limited to Israelites and further limited to a specific time and only on specific targets.
If you have issue with that, take it up with God.
There is no permission or directive in either the OT or NT commanding murder today, except in Islam.
Show me where in the Koran is says “Hey, anytime between 1950 CE and let’s say 2055 CE, go ahead & murder.”
All holy books were written at the time FOR the audience of their time. And were meant to be the unchanging word of their god(s) if the religion might happen to take hold in the future.
The entire contents of the Christian Bible are no different. Saying otherwise is textbook Special Pleading.
Only one present day “religion” calls for jihad. Just ONE.
Sure, if you subscribe to the universalist credo which insist that there IS only one religion.
Otherwise, not so much.
Ridiculous on it’s face Tom, jihad is exclusive to only one “religion”.
No, the specific term is exclusive to only one language. The concepts it describes are in some cases universal or near-universal (the internal personal struggle parts) and in other cases (the physical warfare parts) have their own other-language words (“crusade” in Christianity, “dharamyudh” in Sikhism, etc.).
You particularly disliking one religion is not evidence that that religion is the only one possessing an attribute you dislike in it.
Nonsense, we are (should) be talking about today, not history that can’t be changed, today that can be changed.
Have the Mormons, Evangelicals, Hindus or Catholics called for a “day of rage” in the last 100 years.
One “religion” demands violence today. They need to be confronted.
Translation: There’s one religion you don’t like, so the fact that most other religions are just like it must be ignored in favor of hating on the religion you hate.
When an Islamist looks in a mirror, the reflection he sees is of you.
Nonsense, I believe in freedom of religion, but draw the line where a “religion” preaches murder.
The religion that advocated jihad and sees others as Dhimmi.
Church of the Poisoned Mind ?
Major religions, try again.
I think you forget how big Culture Club was in the ’80s.
Religion can’t be removed from the “situation,” it’s at it’s root. That the Jews should return to the land God had given their ancestors is promised in the Hebrew scriptures – the Old Testament in Christianity.
Sorry, Agree-With-Your-Username-1000%, I was speaking hypothetically. As in, “If Judaism and Christianity hadn’t started in the region of modern-day Israel, would the USA be as obsessed as it is with that country ?” Or would the USA be about as committed as it is to, say, Jordan ?
Ancient Israel and Judah date to the late Bronze Age and since were ruled by Babylonians, Romans, Greeks, Assyrians, Egyptians, Persians, Seljuk Turks, Arabs and a partridge in a pear tree.
Which has created more wars and left more innocents dead – religion or colonization, colonialism, and imperialism?
I would suggest Capitalism and Racism in the same ballpark.
A good question – but perhaps not framed as a proper dichotomy ?
I pose that a) colonization and colonialism are a nondistinction, like ‘soccer’ and ‘futbol’, b) ‘imperialism’ can be secular or religious, as needs and culture may be, and c) religion can be a tool of imperialism or it can be the driving force, with ‘imperialism’ being a secondary label to the policy.
As I read it, your question, as structured, kinda seems like “Which causes more baseball – the American League or the National League ?”
Zionism is at its roots a political movement.
Yes, it would.
In Israel, the phenomenon of religious radical Zionists is relatively recent. For most of the history of the movement, Zionism has overwhelmingly been a cause of secular Ashkenazi Jews. Religiously observant Jews were long among the strongest opponents of Zionism. Many still are.
Likewise, in the US, the phenomenon of a politically-powerful pro-Zionist faction of fundamentalist Christians is a fairly recent development. Steadfast, uncritical support of Israel has been core US policy since long before the Christian Zionists were a force to be reckoned with.
I dunno, Diss. I think religion (both Xians and Judaism) is the driving force for the country / state of Israel being considered “super special”. If it weren’t for a couple books of sometimes nifty, often R-rated folklore, the region would be just another ho-hum geography.
What’s the Vatican less Roman Catholicism and dudes in funny hats ? “Italy’s Other San Marino”, is what.
Well, read the history of Zionism.
Israel is largely a secular country where Jews went to find refuge. Most people aren’t particularly religious.
The country of Israel, if I am being generous and today I am, I will grant as secular for the sake of discussion.
The STATE of Israel, however, absolutely IS NOT secular.
(* Recognizing the contemporary definitions of “state”, “nation”, and “country” that have been hashed out in archived antiwar.com essays by learned contributors to this site)
Good question?
Sure, lets blame religion. (not sarcasm)
This attitude of uncritial unlimited support is what enabled Israel to commit its long train of crimes against Palestinians. By enabling it, it part caused it. It led to this war, yet another war from the same cause.
This attitude is criminal, being part of a train of murders.
This attitude is disloyal to the US, putting the interests of war criminals ahead of US national interests, which include peace and lawful life.
This attitude is politicians pandering to donors for corrupt cash.
“This attitude is disloyal to the US, putting the interests of war criminals ahead of US national interests, which include peace and lawful life.”
BINGO!
Not to mention Zionist attacks on freedom of Speech and Assembly in Germany, France, UK and the US.
“This attitude is politicians pandering to donors for corrupt cash.”
It’s that and much more.
It’s Uncle Sammy and company, and much of the infiltration and spying, began, as so many horrors did, with James Angleton.
Angleton’s connection with Israel began early in his career, when he was given the responsibility to lead the CIA’s secret relationship with the Mossad and Shin Bet, Israel’s main intelligence agencies.
Angleton was fervently anti-communist, continually discoursing on “the nature of the [Soviet] threat, and ardently supported Israel; his control of that country’s account at CIA, an administrative anomaly, was one of the foundations of his influence.”
Show me how”Zionists are attacking freedom of speech in those countries.
ROFL. Are you ignorant or deceitful or both. I’ll go with the latter.
Protests against Israeli have been banned in France, Britain, Germany and Australia
Wealthy Zionists have threatened Harvard Students with reprisals.
Zionists equate anti-Zionism with hate speech and call for prosecuting critic of Israel.
Zionists have pushed repressive legislation to outlaw or punish BDS in many US states.
Zionism is an enemy of the American people and hostile to American democracy.
Hate is ugly.
So you’re ugly?
Nothin’ I can do for you there, sport.
You asked for examples of the Zionist assault on democratic rights in the West, and I approved many examples.
Like the bad actor you are, you replied with a taunt.
Putz.
Abundantly clear you were challenged to provide evidence, and you did so in spectacular fashion. Anyone reading the exchange can see you definitively proved you are correct.
“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. We are fighting human animals and we will act accordingly.”
– Yoav Gallant, Israel Defense Minister
+ You won’t have to interrogate them afterward. They’re explicit about the war crimes they’re planning to commit.
“They’re explicit about the war crimes they’re planning to commit” – they are sure, with American help, they can get away with it.
That said, jake – from our previous convo it becomes clear you host a remarkable hate (or at the very VERY least, burning anger) towards “progressives” and “socialists” and others who causes you hurt about FIFTY YEARS ago (Vietnam era references)
Can you move on from it ? I’m not saying forgive-and/or-forget, but, it seems to me your old and deep-seeded animosities are right now & very figuratively poisoning every interaction you have with other commenters on here.
I have a reserve of anger (against a couple institutions, generalised authoritarianism, lying P.C. culture in general, and racism I experienced during COVID) which is no less galling than yours; but I contain it and I control IT, not the other way ’round.
In light of your best interest and to avoid you getting lost under a sea of rage and hate…would you consider trying to move on (.org) ?
One should not be labeled a hater or anti semitic if one favors fair an humane treatment for everyone.Being against Zionism does not make one anti semitic just someone with good sense.
The pogrom-like atmosphere being whipped up by the state, corporations and university administrations against left-wing students has already resulted in violent attacks at the University of California Los Angeles. Palestinian students and members of the Students for Justice in Palestine UCLA have reported being shoved, hit, spit on and threatened with knives by Zionists. A “teach-in” on the crisis on Thursday was interrupted by Zionists, who grabbed students’ laptops and issued death threats against them.
In Brooklyn, New York City, an 18-year-old Palestinian youth was assaulted by a gang of Zionists on Wednesday night. On Thursday, at a pro-Palestinian demonstration at Brooklyn College, Trump supporter and New York City councilwoman Inna Vernikov visibly displayed a gun, seeking to intimidate protesters.
At the Ernst-Abbe High School in Berlin’s Neukölln district, a teacher punched a 15-year-old student in the face on Monday because he had expressed solidarity with a younger student carrying a Palestinian flag. The teacher had previously snatched the flag from the younger student’s hands, whereupon he was confronted by the older student.
The case is a frightening illustration of how the media and official politics, with their omnipresent warmongering against the Palestinian people, have created a climate that fuels and legitimises violence against immigrant youth. False reporting on the assault, the silence of the school administration and police action against protesting parents and students shows how systematically this is being pushed.
Hopefully someone with strongly correct the teacher for his actions. As it stands, the teacher still teaches but the student was suspended.
More Zionist “justice.”
A fortnight ago, the same teacher had made a pupil “who was wearing a necklace with the Palestine flag” cry and “kicked her out of the class,” El-Houschi told RBB. “He told her to put the necklace away. She didn’t understand why. He ran provocatively after her when she wanted to go to the toilet and took her crying to the school administration.”
The parents’ association of the Ernst-Abbe-Gymnasium then announced a demonstration in front of the school building on Wednesday morning under the motto “No place for racism, no place for violence.” The Berlin police immediately banned the demonstration and mobilised 150 officers to enforce the ban. The police arrived with squad cars and temporarily detained several youths. Private security guards were also deployed against students and parents.
Authoritarianism and racism in the service of Zionism. What else is new?
The police justified their ban on the protest by claiming that there could be “inciting, anti-Semitic shouts, glorification of violence and acts of violence.” In its report on the police intervention, the Berliner Zeitung claims in an insertion that the chant “Free Palestine” uttered by the students was “not a peace slogan, but a call for violence against Israel” and was tantamount to a demand for the “extermination of the J__ish state.”
On the same day, the police used a massive deployment and numerous arrests to crack down on other gatherings in Berlin’s immigrant-dominated districts of Neukölln, Mitte and Kreuzberg. Two demonstrations announced by Palestinian supporters at Pariser Platz and Richardplatz were banned by the police. At Hermannplatz in Neukölln, police failed to suppress the protest of hundreds of participants despite numerous custodial interventions.
Another demonstration registered for Thursday to show “solidarity with the civilian population in the Gaza Strip” was also banned by the Berlin authorities responsible. Police turned up at Potsdamer Platz with a dozen emergency vehicles and around 80 officers to enforce the ban on the gathering.
Dear colleagues,
The statement by the Harvard Undergraduate Palestine Solidarity Committee (PSC) and the extraordinary backlash to it has become an international news story.
The short statement by student activists, which legitimately held “the Israeli regime entirely responsible for all unfolding violence,” has been denounced by university administrators, national media personalities and billionaire CEOs. It has outrageously been equated to support for Hamas, terrorism and anti-Semitism.
This has created an atmosphere of fear and self-censorship on campus. The PSC had to “postpone a solidarity vigil acknowledging all civilian victims” following “credible death threats,” according to a PSC statement to the Harvard Crimson, the student newspaper.
Due to the threats, only Harvard ID holders are allowed on campus during certain time periods, and the Harvard University Police Department (HUPD) has increased their presence on campus. A young Muslim student was reportedly advised by HUPD to stay in her dorm rather than attend an in-person meeting because her headscarf could make her a target for violence; loved ones are checking in to encourage distance from Harvard Yard.
The far-right Accuracy in Media (AIM) group has swiftly descended onto the scene, driving around Harvard Square with a billboard truck showing the names and photos of students supposedly associated with the PSC statement under the header “Harvard’s Leading Antisemites.” Despite its nominal dedication to “accuracy,” the truck has reportedly included photos of students who are no longer at Harvard, students no longer affiliated with the organizations, and Jewish students, all lumped together as anti-Semites.
The pile-on against these student activists has provided grist for the mill for far-right groups like AIM, which has promoted Tucker Carlson and defended torture under the Bush administration. It should be noted that this milieu is full of genuine anti-Semites, that Israelis have protested in record numbers against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s slow-motion coup, that Israeli and Jewish organizations and activists are among those calling Israel an apartheid regime and opposing the slaughter in Gaza, and that equating the Jewish people and the actions of the State of Israel provides fertile ground for anti-Semitism.
It is clear at this point that business executives and other right-wingers have decided to make an example of Harvard student activists. Earlier this week, the World Socialist Web Site reported:
On Tuesday, billionaire hedge fund manager and longtime Democratic Party donor Bill Ackman, founder and CEO of Pershing Square Capital Management, called on Harvard to release the names of students who are members of the organizations that signed the PSC’s joint statement. Ackman menacingly wrote, “I have been asked by a number of CEOs if Harvard would release a list of the members of each of the Harvard organizations that have issued the letter assigning sole responsibility for Hamas’ heinous acts to Israel, so as to insure [sic] that none of us inadvertently hire any of their members. If, in fact, their members support the letter they have released, the names of the signatories should be made public so their views are publicly known.”
On Friday, CNN reported that Idan Ofer—who, with a net worth of approximately $20 billion according to Bloomberg, is the wealthiest person in Israel and the 80th most wealthy person on Earth—and his wife Batia have left the Harvard Kennedy School Dean’s Executive Board. The school’s website describes the board as “a small group of business and philanthropic leaders who serve as trusted advisors to the Dean and are among the most committed financial supporters of the School.” This board is only one of the many mechanisms by which wealthy donors influence university administration and, ultimately, the trajectory of academic life at Harvard and other universities.
The administration has clearly come under enormous pressure in the past week. Harvard President Claudine Gay has issued multiple statements denouncing Hamas and terrorism (and implicitly denouncing the PSC), while noting that academic freedom and free speech still, for now, exist. In a video posted Thursday evening, Gay said: “That commitment [to free expression] extends even to views that many of us find objectionable, even outrageous. We do not punish or sanction people for expressing such views.”
To be honest, the fact that the president of what is arguably the most prominent university on the planet had to say that, no, the university does not expel students for “objectionable” views—as demanded by a Harvard professor, among others—is degrading. My colleagues are evidently explaining, in conversations with angry donors and alumni, the ABCs of academic freedom. You would think that Harvard graduates would know better!
The PSC, by daring to note that the dispossession of Palestinians during the founding of Israel and ongoing repression by the Israeli government in Gaza created the context for this latest violence, cut through the one-sided narrative promoted in the media and by governments from Tel Aviv to Washington.
Harvard is an international institution. Its students, faculty and staff come from many backgrounds and from all over the world, including Israel and Palestine. Indeed, the exchange of ideas and perspectives that this enables has historically been held up as an essential aspect, even duty, of higher education.
I know that many of my colleagues—and the students we, directly and indirectly, serve—are reeling from the events of the last week. Many of us have personal, national or religious connections to innocent people caught up in the conflict. I know that with this comes intense, understandable emotions. I hope that, among everything that is going on, we can also try to understand the origins and significance of the conflict, acknowledge that criticism of the Israeli government is legitimate, and oppose this disgusting, McCarthyite campaign against students for expressing their views.
Lastly, to students, staff and faculty at Harvard and beyond: I have found the articles and statements published on the WSWS to be unparalleled in their political analysis and clarity. I urge you to consider the WSWS’s socialist perspective of uniting Jewish and Arab workers, and workers everywhere, against the capitalist nation-state system that has ultimately wrought this conflict. The following would be an excellent start:
Oppose the outlawing of solidarity protests in defense of Gaza!
Who is responsible for the violence in Israel and Gaza?
Down with Netanyahu’s government! Stop the imperialist-backed Zionist onslaught against Gaza!
It appears that the Police State that we have been fearing is advancing rapidly.Who would have thought that Harvard would be first?
At present, it’s more vigilantism supported by some notable billionaires, but perhaps that’s just one aspect to the emerging police State.
So far Harvard University is has stated that it doesn’t punish students for stating controversial opinions.
I expect pushback from the law school lefties if the University changes its tune.
An impressive line of evidence clearly and unambiguously proving your point to the commenter to whom you replied. Well done !
Thank you!
As usual Mark you are exactly correct in your take of US politics.
Treason, IMO.
CNN;And a senior US State Department official said Friday that the US
continues to press the Egyptian and Israeli governments on “the
importance of the Rafah crossing being open for American citizens and
foreign nationals” who want to leave. So, what about Palestinians???
“American citizens and foreign nationals….”. The fewer witnesses the better.
The fact that the new aid for Israel is unconditional is not all that new. The US has long backed Israel in maintaining an Apartheid state and in oppressing a hapless Palestinain people.
https://www.indianpunchline.com/us-in-a-quandary-over-israels-war-on-gaza/
US in a quandary over Israel’s war on Gaza
MK Bhadrakumar
From CNN’s website:
And NYC leftists display swastikas ans scream 700-meaning 700 Israeli civilians killed in he first day.
EMERGENCY RALLY today 10/16 AT 6PM IN NYC – that I’m going to:
From Jewish Voice for Peace:
THIS IS AN EMERGENCY. All out TODAY at 6pm to Grand Army Plaza to stand up and be counted: Jews against genocide of Palestinians! Never again is today!
Last night the Israeli military called for all civilians of Gaza City — 1.1. million people — to evacuate south within 24 hours, as it amassed tanks for an expected ground invasion. Israel has made its intentions clear: to kill as many Palestinians as possible.
Can you ask everyone you know to join you TODAY at 6pm at Grand Army Plaza? Cancel your plans. There has literally never been a more dire moment to show up with every single person we have.
At least 1,700 people have been killed already in Gaza — over 500 of whom are children. Israel has cut off all electricity to Gaza, and essential supplies are running dangerously low. People are going hungry. Entire neighborhoods have been reduced to rubble. And Gaza’s main hospital is located in the area currently being evacuated.
We are still reeling from the horrifying mass killing of Israelis and Palestinians in the last week. So many amongst us have tragically lost loved ones. But now we must not choose between grieving and acting. We cannot wait until its too late. Stand up and be counted.
Never again is today.
The Israelies would use a Nuke if they thought they could get away with it if the wind was blowing the right way.
Irony being, the wind blowing “the right way” is toward Europe and North America.
On October 8 Alastair Crooke, one of most experienced Middle East hands, wrote in AlMahadeen:
“Israel” has shattered into two equally weighted factions holding to two irreconcilable visions of “Israel’s” future; two mutually opposing readings of history and of what it means to be Jewish.
The fissure could not be more complete. Except it is. One faction, which holds a majority in parliament, is broadly Mizrahi — a former underclass in Israeli society; and the other, largely well-to-do liberal Ashkenazi.
Ooops. Ukraine takes a back seat. How disheartening this must be for those in Ukraine who placed all their hopes on the dreamed “European Integration”. Turns out Putin was right: the Collective West cannot be relied on for anything.
“You may be strong enough on your own to defend yourself – but as long as America exists, you will never, ever have to. We will always be there, by your side.”
So Americans should die even if Israel doesn’t need it? Well, I suppose so, considering Israel is our 51st state (Ukraine our 52nd, and Taiwan our 53rd). /s
Pretty Fucking accurate. They get more aid then the paper towels that Trump gave the Puerto Ricans.
How about the 3 Bil that the US gives Egypt,or the monies Iran gives Hamas?
Makes lots of sense – the USA is also a war criminal. Birds of a feather flock together. Israel has totally compromised the government of the United States. Israel treats Palestinians the way the USA use to treat Native American Indians- with a policy of GENOCIDE. It makes me sick to see USA “leaders” kowtow to State-sponsored mass murder.
There are many times the government of Israel has been heavy handed or unjust.There are many times it tried to work out peaceful agreements with Palestinians-most failed.There is no genocide here.the word should not be cheapened.
“…no genocide here…”
Society has two options : assume it is genocide and put a stop to it early; or, assume it isn’t, let it play out, and decide if it actually was after all is said & done.
I tend to err on the side of caution. Would rather apologize to the living than stand guilty over vast fields of dead.
Israel and its supporters have done a first rate job of brainwashing the American public on this subject.
So the US has no plans to defend Palestine then ? As it is wiped off the map … no morality
Morality in the US is on a transactional basis.
I notice that any use of the word J oo or J ooish, no matter how benign sends the comment to pending from which it never emerges.
Not very libertarian at all.
“from which it always emerges”
Fixed, no charge.
You’re right that it’s “not very libertarian,” though, in much the same way that pizza toppings are “not very philatelic.”
LOL. My totally factual comment in reply to Mirror’s Edge was Removed.
It stated:
assacre of Palestinian civilians has called on Israelis to “erase the memory of… families, mothers and children”.
Ezra Yachin, 95, is one of more than 300,000 army reservists mobilised by Israel since war broke out with Hamas in Gaza a week ago.
Yachin won’t be involved in combat, but instead will serve to “motivate” soldiers, according to recent reports.
“Be triumphant and finish them off and don’t leave anyone behind. Erase the memory of them,” Yachin said while addressing Israeli troops this week, in a video that has since gone viral.
The barbarism and racism of Israeli society is on display for the world to see
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Why was it removed?
It was removed because the supporters of the violence that Israel causes is counter to the beliefs of most of the world who hold Israel responsible for the slaughter over the last 65 years.Someday somehow the truth will out.
So you have taken a poll of the world’s 8 billion people.
Have you ?
See, the “were you there ?” argument is garbage, because it is equally (in)valid both ways.
Most of us can’t tell whether it was ever removed or not. We can only see that it’s here now. That sort of suggests that if it was removed, that removal was an error that has been corrected.
Posts that contain language that indicate they might be horrendously anti-Semitic have been held for moderation here for a long time. In the past week, several of mine have been held. They have all (I think) been promptly published after review by a moderator.
In our current crazed environment, it’s not at all unreasonable to implement this measure.
Antiwar.com is one of the least censorious sites on the internet.
Agree with antiwar being “one of the least censorious”. If this were Reddit, many commenters would have been permabanned, received a scolding DM, and/or been threatened with a “harassment” ban if they dared appeal to a Mod. Simply for stating an opinion contrary to the acceptable social wind-sock.
actually none of us except moderators can tell when something is removed, other than our own, but as you said, there is his comment now which has remained there for 18 hours now
So a 95 year old man said something that was not PC-much younger Hamas,Hezbollitse,and Iranians say the same thing.
A 6-year-old boy was being buried Monday and his mother was hospitalized with stab wounds after their 71-year-old landlord attacked them because of their Muslim faith and high emotions over the Israel-Hamas war globally and nationwide, police said.
Right, from that I conclude that Israel is just as bloodthirsty as hamas, just as terroristic.
The major difference being that the Zionists are colonizers and the Palestinians are freedom fighters.
😈
Netanyahu’s wife has called for capture Palestinians to be tortured, skinned alive, nails pulled, saving tongue for last to hear their screams.
Where did you read this ?
Actually, it was Sara Netanyahu’s advisor and aide:
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-sara-netanyahu-advisor-torture-gazans-rant
And it is truly barbaric madness.
Blinken is appealing to the Evangelical Premillenial Dispensationalists who believe that “Whoever blesses Israel will be blessed.” We shall see if those blessings for America will come true.
Armageddonists?
The US will support Israel as long as Israel controls the US.
Well, Israel doesn’t control the US, not even close, but . . . the Israeli lobby (aka The Lobby) definitely controls US policy in the Middle East. That control is possible because the goals and interests of the Israeli lobby and the goals of the MICIMATT mesh so neatly with each other.
Unfortunately for all of us, the policies that arise from that unholy (and stupid) alliance are disastrous in the long run for the US, for Israel, for the ME region, and for the world. And they continue to be very nearly genocidal for the Palestinians.
The Gaza concentration camp beats Auschwitz. Some 3 million Palestinians are locked up in the biggest concentration camp the world has ever seen, without water, electricity and food. About half of them are children. With all the blessings and funding from the western democratic governments the Israelis will turn it in a pile of rubble, a huge cemetery, and the value people will be proud of it.
Well, you should’ve told you Hamas boys they are not Russia before they went into there little killing rampage.🤷🏽♂️
I am hopeful it does not come to that. Both for the lives of the Palestinians today; and for the (figurative) souls of future Israelis who will have to, some day, come to grips with what their parents and grandparents committed – if in fact such an Extinction Agenda does happen.
Cleaning out Hamas terrorists very righteous.
What’s a “Hamas terrorist” and who gets to define it ? I ask knowing an article appeared here this morning quoting President Herzog as saying no Gazinians are ‘innocent’ and nowhere was an age limit specified…
“as long as America exists”
well, I can feel that hundreds of millions of people in the world
are going to start wishing that it didn’t and/or won’t much longer
“Blinken: ‘As long as America Exists,’ It Will Support Israel Blinken expressed full-throated support for Israel while meeting Netanyahu in Tel Aviv amid the bombardment of Gaza”
Beta Boy Blinken and Lloyd J Austin the Turd are both war criminals who deserve nothing better than a trial and life in prison.
https://journal-neo.su/2023/10/14/only-lies-matter-israels-problems-convenient-time-in-the-bigger-scheme-of-things/
Only Lies Matter! Israel’s Problems: Convenient Time in the BIGGER Scheme of Things!