On Tuesday, the Kremlin said US-provided Abrams tanks in Ukraine will not impact Russia’s operations and will “burn” like other Western armored vehicles.
“There is no panacea, no single weapon that can change the balance of power on the battlefield,” said Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov. “They too will burn,” he added, referring to comments Russian President Vladimir Putin has previously made about Western armor.
Peskov’s comments came a day after Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and US officials said the first batch of Abrams had arrived in Ukraine. The tanks are armed with toxic depleted uranium ammunition, which is linked to cancer and birth defects in areas where it’s been used.
According to The Wall Street Journal, Ukrainian officials have acknowledged that the Abrams tanks are “unlikely to significantly alter the shape of the war.” With Ukraine’s fall rains approaching, muddy conditions will make it difficult for the tanks to operate.
Ukraine’s German-made Leopard tanks and US-made Bradley Fighting Vehicles were a prime target for Russia when Ukraine first launched its counteroffensive and attempted large armored assaults. According to The New York Times, Ukraine lost 20% of the weapons and armor it deployed to the front in the first few weeks of the assault.
President Biden first announced the US would arm Ukraine with Abrams tanks back in January. The pledge was part of a deal to get Germany to agree to send Leopard tanks to Ukraine. Just a few days before Biden’s announcement, Pentagon officials said Abrams would not be practical for Ukraine since they’re difficult to maintain.
I thought T62s and T80s were burning in Ukraine.
Nobody is denying that. That won’t keep Abrams tanks from burning also. But what’s another $400 million to someone who doesn’t blink an eye at a $2 trillion dollar deficit?
Oh great, so then there’s nothing to worry about. They are probably already destroyed so let’s move on.
Pretty much. M1 Abrams are a big nothing burger.
Except when Soviet/Russian armor actually encounters them!
Ukrainian armor is encountering Russian armor? LOL. My dude, I am sorry you are so confused about reality. There are no tank battles taking place in Ukraine. There are artillery battles and drone battles accompanied by fire/maneuver/hide (before the drones get you) tactics on squad to company level. Ukraine has tried to use armor, but we have seen the outcome with the British and German armor burning on the battlefield. Pull you head out of your ass and stop making yourself look like a fool.
Bruh, you need to expand your news beyond RT and TASS.
The war is a lot different than what they lead you to believe.
Actually dont. It’s best to learn the hard way so keep it up. Stay stupid.
And when the New York Times reports that Russia is outproducing the West in regard to artillery shells you say it’s bullshit. Or if the Wall Street Journal reports that the US is basing the counteroffensive being successful on hope and courage rather than adequate weaponry, you ignore it. Or even our own politicians who callously say the war has been a good investment because we supposedly degraded Russia’s military or our officials say the Ukrainians are casual adverse because they won’t sacrifice their own people fast enough to please Washington, more ignoring. Are those the sources he should be using?
Please show evidence of large scale tank battles sporto. I’m guessing you can’t because they aren’t happening.
You just s**t out of your mouth and you think you are correct. There have been tank-on-tank battles, although they are few and far between and the Ukes have come out on top. The British and German armor was destroyed by mines and/or artillery. Such a military genius you are! Your family must be impressed when you drunkenly school them at birthday parties! Tankie tool-bag.
Another comment from the Stankie peanut gallery.
Another comment from the Trumper crowd. How his business doing in NY?
How did the money-grubbing Clinton Foundation (the shakedown operatio) when Cankles was SOS? Nosedived didn’t it in 2016? Now her and her hubby are at it again with some other money shakedown effort.
While I am sure there have been a few tank vs. tank encounters this is not the main mode of the current conflict. British and German armor was destroyed not only by mines, but also by artillery and suicide drone. The attritional war is not favoring the Ukrainians and as John J. Mearsheimer recently pointed they are “bound to lose.”
Pull your head out sporto.
There’s been no evidence of Western tanks being destroyed by suicide drone. If you can produce some, then do it. Meatsheimer is a tankie hack and suffers from the same Putin envy you do. When you start having an original thought, people might start listening, pops.
Is it embarrassing being so wrong all the time? Here’s from 5 minutes of searching yandex because these videos are censored on duckduckgo and google:
https://yandex.com/video/preview/15775484550199960762
https://yandex.com/video/preview/14341384482809017506
https://dzen.ru/video/watch/6485ca82e959a90e07d881ee?f=d2d
https://dzen.ru/video/watch/64be32a3da8d293e7f9f63da?f=d2d
I will admit you were right if you can show that:
A) There were Challengers hit. (The videos look like Leopards and you said “British AND German armor”)
B) We’re those tanks destroyed and not just damaged. (You said “destroyed”)
Well; he’s right; if these tanks are deployed in combat, and get targeted, some of them will be destroyed. These are NOT the new models, with the latest armor upgrades and protection; they are older M1A1s – although even the much upgraded M1A2s proved themselves vulnerable in Yemen, where the Houthis, using Kornet ATGMs, destroyed some 20 of them. IF the Ukrainians have any sense, these tanks will be used in a defensive mode, as a reaction force to any Russian counterattack which may come
True, but are 31 Abrams tanks going to change any realities on the ground as far as Ukrainian defensive capabilities are concerned? It seems to be a piss in the bucket.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-tanker-fumes-at-commanders-for-empty-tank-shell-no-tnt/ar-AA1hlNM4?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=e782bd32ab834b8eb94dbfef1f2c8698&ei=43#image=1
Hahaha.
Hahaha what? You linked to Newsweek which linked to twitter. Not exactly reliable sources. Why don’t you try and respond to my actual point instead of playing childish gotcha games.
Yeah. Russia not putting powder in their shells! Or was that one of the rounds they begged North Korea to send them?
Agreed.
To your “used in a defensive mode” suggestion…wasn’t that a Gulf War 1 failing of Saddam’s army ? For its size it was dug into fixed positions (infantry even employing trenches) which, as CNN displayed in Glorious Nite-Vision Technicolor, sat waiting for air strikes.
I would assume the Pentagon’s…advisors…would tell Ukraine’s Tankenwaffen division to NOT do this, but ?
I wasn’t suggesting digging them in; but holding back as a quick reaction response force, so that if there were a breakthrough, the Abrams units would deploy in an effort to blunt the attack; actually do the type of fighting they are designed for, and not try to breach lines in Russian territory where they will be the target of drone and artillery strikes, or hit minefields, without ever even seeing the enemy. The breaching operations the Ukrainians tried using the Leopard 2s was just a waste of assets; I doubt any of the destroyed tanks ever engaged an enemy.
Ahh, okay, thanks ! I thought that was probably what you were suggesting. Just that I had skimmed over some suggestion (not yours I think, but in this section?) of using the Abrams as semi-fixed position SPG / artillery pieces.
Abrams units would deploy in an effort to blunt the attack
Yes, they will slow them down to the extent that the Russians be forced to drive around them.
I didn’t say it would be “successful” or “unsuccessful”; simply said that it would be a better use of the asset.
I wonder how many will be destroyed before they even reach battlegrounds? I suspect quite a few.
Russian T-72s can’t even defend themselves from a Ukrainian T-64!
https://www.newsweek.com/video-shows-ukraine-t-64-tank-sneak-attack-russian-t-72-1829059
I dunno if I’d get excited about (1) Tank X of Team Yellow vs. (1) Tank Y of Team Orange. Position, initiative, and skills of the tank crew are variables to consider very seriously.
To that end I recall test skirmishes between (I think it was) the current block USAF F-16 and the Air Force’s F-35 variant ? And as I recall the ’16 won pretty much every scenario – head-to-head, chased, chasing. In that scenario I would think the pilots both highly & equally skilled at their respective machines so it better illustrates the machines’ own dogfighting capabilities.
All tanks are subject to be destroyed with a well placed missile. Doing a measuring contest is childish and pointless.
Indeed. And especially off a single data-point removed from clear context.
Also – did the article mention HOW we come to know details of this alleged encounter ?
A very reasonable supposition.
My counter would be if Team Yellow has two “wins” against Team Orange, each with near-peer tanks, then Team Yellow would be at an advantage of provided with a significantly upgraded tank.
I’ve seen two videos of Ukrainian tanks destroying Russian tanks (near-peer, tank on tank, T-64s vs T-72s) I’ve seen no videos of Russian tanks accomplishing the same.
(I’ll add, there are many experts who have concluded that the F-35 is garbage and would not do well in combat. The F-35 is unproven in combat. The M1A1 Abrams has a proven record in combat.)
Biden is in the unenviable position of having to double down with every setback, because to go down as the president who gambled and lost is for him far more insult than bearing the mantle of responsibility for the killing and mutilation of many tens of thousands of Ukrainians in the prime of their lives.
We live in evil times when our leaders have no honor.
from TASS
Abrams tanks repeatedly demonstrated their vulnerability during the hostilities in Iraq, the expert pointed out. “As the Iraq combat experience shows, they went up in flames. The tank turret was pierced by a 100mm armor-piercing blunt nose projectile fired by a T-55 tank. There were instances when Abrams vehicles were struck by automatic guns of both Bradley and our BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles,” he said. . .here
Well, as long as it’s TASS reporting that, it must be true!
How about a head-to-head?
https://www.graphicnews.com/en/pages/43856/military-m1a2-abrams-vs-t7290
(I used a post with pictures even — to make it easier for you to understand!)
Pentagon officials said Abrams would not be practical for Ukraine since they’re difficult to maintain.
So worries.. The Russians will fix that for ya.
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Yay, let’s cheer for Putin, let’s cheer Xi Jinping, let’s cheer for Kim Dung Un. Such wonderful mean of peace. Standing up to the terrible American who can do no right.
This is the prevailing message on every article in this comments board.
What is wrong with you?
What, you’re a big fan of proxy wars killing hundreds of thousands of foreigners for Mil-Ind Complex profits? What’s wrong with you?
LOL, you are a delusional moron, that’s what is wrong with my you $h1t lickers.
Well, there you go … respond to a moron and get what I deserve. Should know better by now.
As for you Jackie, join the circle jerk on any of the usual MSM sites that serve the blue pill nonsense you obviously prefer. Put your mind back to sleep. It’s all it’s good for.
This antiwar site here is “real and it’s spectacular” …
Umm..no..this is a bunch of people circle jerking around people that are killing innocent civilians and starting wars calling themselves Anti War. They are simply Anti American.
Bu the installed regime in Kiev was “killing his own people”. Remember that line?
Not anti-American, anti-fascist and also anti-war. Get it straight. American is a great country, but our national security apparatus has been taken over by fascist scum. Useful idiots like yourself legitimize and spout their rhetoric. One day you and your ilk will stand before your creator and pay for what you have wrought. I suggest you read some of MLK, Jr.’s writings to get your head and heart straight. Start with Beyond Vietnam: A Time to Break the Silence, unless of course you think that MLK, Jr. was a dirty commie. There’s always hope, even for fascist like yourself.
I concur with this, but with one small change: I would instead write, “One day you and your ilk will be stood against the wall to pay for what you have wrought”. When men of good faith and strong hearts begin the revolution- be it peaceful or violent- the Enemies of the People will be held accountable and dealt with accordingly.
I am an adherent of MLK, Jr.’s teachings on this issue.
The Putin adoration is befuddling. But, at the same time, thinking that people bitching about America means they are cheerleading other tyrants is as equally befuddling. America has earned the wrath shown by most of the people who comment here.
Ha, well, rich greedy power players are just that, and they are taking over the planet with the advent of technology. While the West might have severe corruption issues and bad leadership, at least in a rules based order there is some stability to build a world economy around. Most Chinese people’s lives have gotten better with their American partnership. I’d argues that if anyone has been in decline, it’s America’s working class and the 3rd world countries we all extort resources from. It’s a shame we can just get along and that a few A holes with too much power have to ruin it for all of us. Enough is never enough for them.
” at least in a rules based order there is some stability to build a world economy around.”
What exactly is this rules based order you speak of? The one where the U.S. and its allies get to invade countries at will ala Iraq (but one example) and murder people with impunity, but anyone else who does it is a horrible war criminal on par with Hitler?
Why don’t you ask your average African, Central American, or Southwest Asian how the “rules based order” functions. You will get a much different perspective than the BS you are selling. American fascists like yourself (you are American, aren’t you?) have the memory capacity of a fruit fly. Either that or your are willfully spouting BS. Which is it?
The rule based order he is talking about is called “Just-us for all”
Bruh, are you just now figuring that out?
The first post i ever saw from you months ago was you calling a bunch of bloggers here commies.
But Then you come in and fueled Their fire with your honest antiwar posts.
Only problem was, these folks here on the Ukraine blogs are pro Russian and anti US.
Plus article authors like Dave DeCamp are now writing for that audience. 🤷🏽♂️
I’m just pissed off right now at the fact these morons are ruining economic prosperity to advance the interests of couple of $h!twits in Putin and Jinping. Were American’s getting to aggressive in Europe? Probably, but this was uncalled for. Building hypersonic weapons then going around like you have big pants bombing civilians like they are made of clay. Shameful atrocities. I get it, we have war criminals too, but this is shaping up to be a bloody unnecessary fight that’s going to destroy mankind.
Joe Biden can end it with a phone call. He doesn’t even need to make the call himself.
He could have prevented it in the first place. He didn’t because he didn’t want to. Biden and his State department neocons deliberately provoked this war because they wanted this war. They were perfectly happy to have Ukraine destroyed and many tens of thousands of Ukrainians maimed or killed in their attempt to weaken Russia.
I do blame Joe Biden. I can vote him out. I also blame Putin and Xi. If you are blind to that I can’t help you. 3 wrongs don’t make 1 right.
If you want the war to stop, you should focus on the responsible party who is acting in your name, with your money. If you are blind to that, I can’t help you.
Hahaa, my money? You don’t live in America, that’s clear.
True – if you get your Earned Income Tax credit, it wouldn’t be YOUR money.
I don’t qualify for it, and they don’t ask me what to spend money on. And I get the choice of two corrupt corporate clowns or some woke agenda socialist.
My God … 30 or 50 or even a hundred tanks are NOTHING … this is a real war, against a real adversary with real weapons and soldiers who know how to use them. In Kursk, the Germans (who also had soldiers who knew how to use weapons very well) lost to the same type of defensive works the Ukrainians have been mauled with even though they had 2500 tanks and assault guns. This stuff is just for show, folks, to keep the $$$ going for a few more months while USUKNATO figure out what to do.
The U.S. and the west is trying to figure how to spin this disaster into a victory. With this clusterf…k of an administration it will probably double and triple down on their efforts until the Ukrainian soldiers say.. ‘No More’, if there are any left alive.
Yeah, the US who is only funding Ukraine’s self defense.
Nice try.
The one entity trying to figure a way out of its own cluster fuk creation is the Kremlin.
And it will only get worse.
But continue cheering them. They need your support.
Keep whistling in the dark and wishing on a star. Who knows? Your dreams may come true.
Likewise. 🤷🏽♂️
Your side, the mighty red army is struggling.
Cant even terminate a tiny Army with 102 soldiers, 3 broken tanks, and no bullets.
How embarrassing.
But Keep on dreaming.
“Cant even terminate a tiny Army with 102 soldiers, 3 broken tanks, and no bullets.”
So you admit that the Russians have demilitarized Ukraine?
And speaking of the name of Ukraine. This is a name for the region bestowed by outsiders, Poland and Russia. Isn’t there an indigenous name for this area or is its national identity given it by outsiders? Is there any national identity of Ukrainianism beyond: we’re not Russian?
Isn’t there an indigenous name for this area…..?
NovoRussia!
The disaster that’s going on South of Robotyne or South of Bakhmut? (Or doesn’t Hannity talk about that?)
“Polish Experts Confirm Missile That Hit Grain Facility Was Ukrainian – Media”
Will NATO relatiate now?
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Not a single British Challenger tank was damaged… until they were put into battle. Biden might learn something from this. (I know. That’s asking a lot.)
Just a matter of time until American troops are deployed. Ukraine doesn’t hardly has any troops left.
MSNBC Shill Brzezinski Rages At Biden’s Handlers For Allowing Him To Make A Fool Of Himself