Update 9/26/23 9:05 EST: Russia’s Black Sea Fleet Commander appeared at a meeting on Tuesday, a day after Ukraine claimed he was killed
Ukraine has claimed an attack it launched on the Crimean peninsula on Friday killed 34 Russian officers, including the head of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet, Adm. Viktor Sokolov.
The Ukrainian claim is not confirmed, and the Russian side only reported one serviceman missing after the strike, which targeted the Russian Black Sea Fleet’s headquarters in Sevastopol. Ukrainian sources told media outlets that the strike was launched with British-provided Storm Shadow missiles, which have a range of about 155 miles.
“After the defeat of the headquarters of the Russian armed forces, 34 officers died, including the commander of the Russian armed forces. Another 105 occupiers were wounded. The headquarters building cannot be restored,” Ukraine’s special operations forces said Monday.
Kyrylo Budanov, the head of Ukraine’s military intelligence, initially claimed the Friday strike killed nine people and wounded 16. The Ukrainian military said the strike was timed to target a meeting of Russian naval officers.
Ukraine has significantly stepped up its attacks on Crimea in recent weeks amid its faltering counteroffensive. The Friday attack came as Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was visiting Canada’s parliament and joined them in a standing ovation for a Ukrainian World War II veteran who fought for the Nazis, a moment that caused an international outcry, forcing Canadia’s speaker of the house to apologize.
Ukrainian attacks inside Crimea risk a major escalation of the war, especially attacks launched using NATO weapons like the Storm Shadow missiles, which can be launched by Ukraine’s Soviet-made jets. The British provision of the Storm Shadows marked a significant escalation of NATO support for Ukraine due to their range.
“That’s a nice Kiev you got there. It would be a shame for it to have an accident.”
How likely is it that the senior brass of the Black Sea Fleet would be gathered, in the midst of a war and in the midst, also, of a serious of Ukrainian attacks on Crimean targets, in a big, well-known, obvious target high on a hill in Sevastopol?
Maybe, but . . .
I’m shocked — shocked! — that the senior brass of the Black Sea Fleet might be gathered, in the midst of a war, at the headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet.
Next thing you know, the US Joint Chiefs of Staff will start meeting at the Pentagon. How bizarre would that be?
You should actually be shocked if that happened. I would be.
Would you call such a meeting? Would you attend? Not if you were smart. You’d follow Darth Cheney’s lead and head for an undisclosed location.
Cheney wasn’t the Chief of Naval Operations or the Commandant of the Marine Corps. He was just a political hack with an inflated sense of personal importance.
At the level of a fleet command, we’re not talking about guys peering through periscopes and getting ready to launch torpedoes. We’re talking about executive suit types who go to the office every day unless the sh*t is really hitting the fan in a big way. And the Russian line for the last 18 months has been that the sh*t is not hitting the fan in a big way. It’s just a “special military operation,” boyos, no biggie, maybe make sure you’re in by 9am to catch up on paperwork instead of playing that extra nine holes of golf in the morning.
If they were company commanders around Bakhmut, it would be a different story.
Through most of World War II, the German navy was headquartered at the Shell-Haus in Berlin, and Donitz and his aides kept their offices there and met there.
The Russian line “blah blah blah….”. The Russian line you’re speaking of is a characterization by people in the west, just as Russian leaders are caricatures of real people propagated by thoroughly corrupted US and European “journalists”.
Why would RT, Tass, etc. hire thoroughly corrupted US and European “journalists?”
Huh? Doesn’t keep RT etc from quoting western sources, something they do every single day.
Quoting someone is not an endorsement of truth telling on their part in any way, shape, or form.
You claimed that the “Russian line is blah blah blah” statement is a result of corrupted western journalism.
But I’m the one who delivered that statement — and it is a characterization of the Russian line as published by RT and Tass (often citing or directly quoting the Ministry of Defence).
Part of it seems to be a communications culture. The Russian regime seems to prefer bland and phlegmatic public statements. Which, at least to the western ear, is a pretty weird mix when the topics tend to be controversial and the claims tendentious.
“”Why would RT, Tass, etc. hire thoroughly corrupted US and European “journalists?””
WTF maybe because they are struggling to be relevant in an ever-increasing irrelevant world?
i mean really; when you might have to fight a guy just to get a roll of toilet-paper, are you going to worry about what some western/eastern European sumbitches might have to say?
edit = maybe at the last minute you might decide to accept the opinion of some “journalist” or other, but the reality is that words are worthless. i think that even Mark Twain might agree with my assessment.
what
hey Knapp might seem to be full of sh*t but it seems to me that he actually knows what he is talking about.
i would rather that he be in charge as opposed to myself = that way i would always have somebody else to blame.
and there it is (was) = the assholes who hold sway over us are nothing more than self-serving assholes who 10 generations ago would have been crushed by a rock at birth (because all of the regular guys would have immediately realized that he was inherently flawed).
edit = now i can’t wait to be reincarnated only to realize that i don’t even deserve to be here in the first place.
Good one. LOL. You know what I would really hate? …I would really hate to be reincarnated as a chicken again, then again… (Sarcasm)
😂
I’m on my last reincarnation NA, but if not I’d like to come back as a wild and free mustang…or alternatively, any horse that I might own.
Oh wait, I’d be dead … 😁
LOL. Don’t worry. Elon Musk is working on a laser satellite that I can use to communicate with you after you’re dead–God forbid! Live long and prosper, my friend.
Gypsy gives NA the Vulcan salute 😁
If the Russians truly believe their own BS that they have and are shooting down all Ukrainian missiles and drone attacks, then, perhaps even more reasons for the fleet leadership to not have to worry about an attack on their building.
Another reason why Kremlin lies are dangerous to their troops.
AS LONG AS IT TAKES RIGHT? what a DISGRACE WE ALL ARE. WHAT A DISGRACE THIS PUBLICATION TRULY IS.
WTF are you babbling about now?
Paper bag over your mouth. Breathe deeply and slowly. Then TyPe WiThOuT the Caps Lock on. There you go, son!
I’m think if the Pentagon was at risk of being attacked, like the Black Sea Fleet headquarters in Crimea are, those meeting would be somewhere deep in the bowels of the Pentagon. But in reality, if that were the case and the Pentagon was under attack, the nukes would probably already be flying, and we’d be in the midst of WW3.
See from our friend, Emil! They lied! https://youtu.be/7Lu3DgdFIj8?si=LnvjwptCfquaRVSe
Where did ” Pentagon” go following 911. I mean the entire gang of whores .
An invitation to parliament for a Ukrainian man who fought for a Nazi unit in World War Two is “deeply embarrassing” to Canada, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says. He was there at Trudeau’s invitation.
“A Nazi unit” is the Galician SS who committed ethnic cleansing, genocide and many other atrocities in WW2.
The way I see it, Ukraine seems f–ked, no matter which way the wind blows…
Yes, if You see it the Russian way.
check this out = the DARPA assholes are actually engaged in figuring out how to transfer a person’s consciousness into a brand new body. because immortality is the ultimate goal of all the elite bastards.
“hey i just invented an invisible hypersonic missile!”
really? pshaw. that’s not actually what we are paying you to do, get with the program.
“we can be like they are!”
not really, because we don’t have the money …. “
People die during wars. Having said this, anything reported by the Ukrainian Nazis and their used-car salesman in chief falls into my basket of suspicious noises.
Ukraine Claims It Killed Russia’s Black Sea Commander in Missile Strike
gotcha you sumbitch!
how do we know that the evil Russians did not have a doppelganger or two ready to take the fall? really, they are so much the evil bastards that we shouldn’t take anything for granted.
frankly, until Raytheon (based in Tucson Az) says otherwise, i am of the opinion that we should disregard everything re: this war that we hear?
It looks like they was lying: https://youtu.be/7Lu3DgdFIj8?si=LnvjwptCfquaRVSe
This is a quite a big accomplishment. I wonder if Russia is low on inventory of Black Sea Commanders?
Yeah, if there is one thing that modern militaries, of all countries, have no shortage of, it is “commanders” (generals, admirals). Same with modern bureacratic organizations of all kinds, military, civilian government, business corporations, non profits, universities, etc. Always more than enough chiefs, but never quite enough Indians!
I have never been in a war. So, I don’t know what it’s like to be hunted down 24/7. Sounds like a miserable adventure. But you can only blame Putin for allowing this to happen. He is weak and not as ruthless with “Shock and Awe!” We’re the best! Look at Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, but more importantly at the progress I’m making. I’m agreeing with you. It’s all Putin’s fault. He is weak, crazy, stupid, ruthless, but not as ruthless as we are. (Sarcasm)
You tankies must be realizing that Russia is losing badly. You’re REALLY agitated today. You guys Ghost Dance much?
Put this in your bunghole and smoke it.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/26/russia-releases-video-of-admiral-viktor-sokolov-a-day-after-ukraine-claimed-he-was-dead
“In the video, Sokolov was seen APPARENTLY taking part in a video conference…”
You take whatever your daddy Putin gives you, won’t you?
Canadian Parliament gave a standing ovation to a Galacian SS Nazi. The Galacian SS worked with the OUN (Stepan Bandera) and they committed ethnic cleansing and many other atrocities in Ukraine during WW2. (What Western Media call Ukrainian Independence) The irony is that of course the Nazi’s in Ukraine today are again fighting for Ukrainian Independence as they did many years ago. UKRAINIAN INDEPENENCE…..A very polite way of saying Ethnic Cleansing and Genocide.
In an absolute disgrace a standing ovation for a Ukrainian volunteer of the Galacian SS who fought with the OUN and Nazi’s sparked anger and an apology in the Canadain Parliament. Yaroslav Hunka, 98, was recognized by ALL lawmakers shortly after Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy addressed the Canadian Parliament. This is however no worse than the Ukrainian flag that Zelenski gave the US congress with Nazi regalia on it.
The US/UK, Canada and other Western powers will go before war crimes tribunals. Ukraine is an abomination on humanity which is starting to look worse than Hitler’s Germany. AS LONG AS IT TAKES RIGHT? Its all about war with Russia right? what a DISGRACE YOU ALL ARE.
At least Hitler had a few admirable qualities, despite his actions during WWII.
He was an excellent watercolorist.
He neither smoked nor drank (compare with that lush Churchill.)
He banned testing on animals.
He loved dogs, although rumor has it that he suffered from fear of cats ( same as Napoleon and Alexander the Great.)
What’s ZelBoy’s claim to fame? He and his sticky piano keys.
Except for the opiates and coke every day, Hitler was clean:
I had to consult with my brother, a serious student of WWII, on this one.
“The Secret Diaries of Hitler’s Doctor” contained all of Hitler’s medical records. Morell injected him with megadoses of vitamins, along with very small amounts of strychnine ( reason unknown). There were no mention of opioids whatsoever.
From a book…I’ve heard it before. But I’m no Hitler expert.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/sep/25/blitzed-norman-ohler-adolf-hitler-nazi-drug-abuse-interview
Before Putin ordered the occupation of Crimea, there had been an agreement between Ukraine and Russia on the use of the naval port of Sevastopol by the Russian Black Sea fleet. During all of these years Russian leaders including Putin had never contemplated let alone ordered the occupation of Crimea.
The US engineered and supported coup of 2014 triggered Putin’s action. There was now no assurance that a NATO oriented Ukraine would renew that agreement without big concessions from Russia. Or at all.
Here is one flame that lit the current war. It was lit jointly and deliberately by the Ukrainians and its NATO supporters.
Umm, lots of you here fell for the okeydoke, again.
Russian Black Sea commander Sokolov shown on video call after Ukraine said it killed him — Reuters
Yes, he was SHOWN on video after Ukraine said it killed him.
But dead people can be shown on video even after they’re no longer alive.
We’ll probably know, at some point, whether he’s still alive or was killed. But we don’t yet.
Forget the claims, if he is dead, we’ll find out soon.
Check out this Russian commander beating his troops. I don’t believe they refused to fight, they just couldn’t find him a toilet and a washer machine. Lol.
The Mighty Red Army at best.
https://youtu.be/WROG_bjDBgM?si=knnjo9RrvtyMkpzs
Ok I just had to update this article. It’s just too hilarious.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-black-sea-fleet-commander-shown-meeting-ukraine-killed-sokolov-rcna117336