Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov blasted the US for waging a proxy war in Ukraine. The Washington-led North Atlantic alliance has transferred nearly $100 billion in military aid to Kyiv. Lavrov said the White House was controlling Ukraine’s military decisions.
On Sunday Morning at the Eastern Economic Forum, the Russian diplomat explained Moscow’s position. “No matter what it says, it [the US] controls this war, it supplies weapons, munition, intelligence information, data from satellites, it is pursuing a war against us,” Lavrov said.
According to the Kiel Institute, the US and its allies have transferred slightly under $100 billion in weapons to Ukraine since the start of the war. Additionally, the West has trained thousands of Ukrainian soldiers and provided Kyiv with other military support, such as targeting and intelligence.
Lavrov said the proxy war the West is waging against Russia in Ukraine was a long-planned effort aimed at Moscow’s strategic defeat. He stated, “While what is going on is that Ukraine has been prepared, has long been prepared for inflicting strategic defeat to Russia using its hands and its bodies.”
Last week, the Wall Street Journal reported the White House was considering escalating support for Ukraine by sending long-range ATACMS missiles with a range of 190 miles. Lavrov was asked how Moscow may respond if Washington provides Kyiv with the rockets. “I am unable to comment on their statements… but the fact that it will not change the essence of what is going on in Ukraine is obvious,” he explained.
The UK has previously sent Storm Shadow cruise missiles to Ukraine, with a range of about 300 miles. Ukraine has used those long-range weapons to attack the Crimean Peninsula. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Washington no longer objects to Kyiv using Western-provided weapons to launch an attack on Russian territory.
In separate comments made on Friday, Lavrov said Washington’s effort extends beyond the proxy war in Ukraine to a global campaign to isolate Moscow. He explained that the West attempted to use a recent peace summit held in Saudi Arabia to turn countries against Russia. “There is a real plot around the topic of the so-called (peace) negotiations, as well as attempts to turn everything upside down through pseudo diplomacy,” he said. “The West has been saying for months that this ‘peace formula’ is the only basis for negotiations. It starts from innocent topics … and then comes to the purpose for which it was concocted – inflicting a strategic defeat on Russia, to restore the borders of Ukraine as they were in 1991, court-martial the Russian leadership, force Russia to pay reparations, and then ‘mercifully’ agree to sign a peace agreement.”
He added, “These are exactly the dirty methods that the West uses not only in relation to Ukraine but in many other areas of global politics.”
Last month, a summit was held in Jeddah on the Ukraine war. The conference was billed as a peace summit, but Russian officials were not invited. At the summit, Kyiv was allowed to present its proposal with no counter from Moscow.
Lavrov said the Kremlin is open to talks, and the Russian position has not changed. Moscow is demanding territorial concessions, as well as Kyiv’s agreement to hold a neutral status and accept some demilitarization. Lavrov said “all the balls” are on the side of Kyiv, explaining that Russia is waiting for Ukraine to open talks on terms acceptable to Moscow.
Kyle Anzalone is the opinion editor of Antiwar.com, news editor of the Libertarian Institute, and co-host of Conflicts of Interest.
Russia has known this for months. So, the surprise is that Lavrov is bringing it up now. I suspect that his comments are intended to pave the way for the anticipated weapons deal with North Korea.
It could also be a warning that US assets that are actively involved in attacks on Crimea and pre-war Russia could be considered legitimate targets.
Ukraine: Russia Is At War Against Us.
Ukraine has been at war for 9 years Ukrainian vs Ukrainian
So you are saying Ukraine had an internal conflict.
Hmm. Interesting.
Don’t worry. The Chechans are about to start some s**t!
The summit was Jake Sullivan’s brainchild, timed to come after what Bidensky thought would be a Russian defeat, with Ukraine occupying Melitopol and more. The summit would be like the Versailles conference with the victors laying down terms, and the invited would side with them as there’d be no point in siding with the losing side.
Instead it was a failure, with the invited refusing to join a proclamation against Russia, and nothing was decided. They had to settle for saying it was a success that China had representatives, twisting this into “China turning away from Russia,” when they were actually there to talk with the other nations.
In Jeddah itself the summit wasn’t big news. I know this because I know a woman who visited her family in Jeddah at that time. No one cared except the politicians.
If the Saudis talk about a war it’s the war against the Houthis in Yemen, seen as MbS’ big mistake, a war given crucial aid by Biden. Perhaps there should be a summit about isolating Saudi Arabia and the U.S. for the bombing of Yemen, and the blockading of its ports.
At the moment no one cares about Yemen. Maybe their only hope is: Iran and Saudis make some kind of a peace agreement behind closed doors. Enough is enough.
Hmmm, must say, I care about Yemen a lot more than Ukraine … I’m very glad that war seems to be over.
“Russia: The US Is at War Against Us – Moscow’s top diplomat said Washington is controlling Ukraine to wage war against Russia”
It is not all Americans. Over 65% of Americans believe that the government was stolen in a fraudulent election in 2020.
Over 70% of Americans hate Joey Biden.
Over 80% of Americans have NO confidence in the criminal people inhabiting Washington DC.
I can not stand Biden or Trump,both criminals with no brains. We lose out with either one. They are both more then capable of destroying any fabric this country has left.
Biden is the devil! Trump is just an azzhole.
One destroys the social and moral fabric of our sick country. The other has the ability to end civilization so to speak.
Wow, I can’t believe U really said that…..:(
I can’t believe that you think what I said is not true. Get your head out of where the sun don’t shine.
Yeah, but which is which?
It is hard to say. They are both so close in their stupidity and lack of moral constraints.
And vice versa.
And vice versa.
Really…………………I don’t want either.
What we have then is a broken system limping along until it’s eventual demise. A perverse version of the Roman empire’s final days.
Yes, unlike Rome, it won’t take hundreds of years to destroy the U.S., it’s far along the path of destruction already. Trying to compare Joe to one of the Roman Emperors, is he more like Claudius or Nero? Doesn’t matter, same outcome. We could use a Marcus Aurelius.
Poisoned water,polluted air,broken roads and bridges,a failing educational and medical system. A ruling class that depends on killing people for profit.A two faced judicial system. What else can go wrong?
Wendell, you just summed up this godforsaken nation in a nutshell.
the same people who brought down Rome are destroying the US, it started in 1913 when you
allowed them to start “clipping” the currency
aka the federal reserve
What about Caligula, Bill? 😉
I thought about him, but I don’t know if it was that he was totally incompetent or was completely debauched and just a symptom of Rome during that time. I’m not a student of Roman history so I can’t really say, I guess there are enough to choose from.
Well, he had the good sense to make his horse a senator 😉
My mare Angelina would make a FAR better senator than any of the current lot… because she has horse sense 😁
Good try. Now watch them re-elect Joe Biden again. (Sarcasm)
That would almost as was electing Trump the first time. our political choices are a disaster of the first magnitude. There are no Mr. Smiths around.
There IS, Wendell. His name is Dr. Cornell West. Of course he won’t be elected, but a good showing might send a message to the Duopoly.
Over 65% of Americans believe that the government was stolen in a fraudulent election in 2020.
Maybe 65% of the republicans but NOT 65% of Americans.
I am no supporter of Biden. But this stolen 2020 election conspiracy theory is nonsense. Scary that so many people believe it.
It was rigged. They all are. Either an R or a D is going to win.
I think that Washington is looking for an off ramp, this war will not play well in the 2024 election.
The greater part of the American population does not give a shit about foreign affairs until they are threatened with loss of power and privilege. As long as the TV works,there is gas in the car and relative peace on the streets as well as worthless products to buy nothing will change in the body politic.Messing with Nuclear powers is stupid politics and will not end well.
Especially vastly superior powers in missile and mammoth nuclear weapons!!!!!!!!!
Doesn’t matter. We will all be dead. Bigger nukes weren’t needed and don’t matter. There were already plenty to do the job.
Bigger and more powerful weapons do continue to enable the Military Offense Industry demons to continue to enrich themselves. Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, Northup Grumman, Raytheon Technologies, and others. The U.S. is all about war, always was, and will be until they bring about their own destruction.
Very sad and probably true.
Unfortunately it will bring about mine and my loved ones also. The wrong people will die when this shit happens.
The U.S. like Rome in end times was big on ‘Bread and Circuses’. There’s a ton of them on T.V, shows like ‘American Idol’, ‘America’s Got Talent’, ‘Love After Lockup’ and all the other mindless entertainment on cable. Sports provide some of the biggest bread and circus distractions for the American People with the champion being the National Felony League…NFL.
Please don’t forget our addiction to Pornography,Gambling,Violence and product acquisition.
Sounds like you have a lot of addiction problems. Have you sought help?
I don’t drink or smoke. I only bet $10.00 a week on Pro Football and I don’t shop for anything except food.I am too old to chase women or fantasize.
Yes, no shortage of distractions and addictions.
Off topic. The gambling industry dominates TV commercials as much as boner pills. I’m for anyone doing whatever they want to do with their own money, but glamorizing gambling like they are is sickening? Shit’s worse than any drug.
As with most drugs, there are some people who can do it recreationally and within their means, and some people who are consumed by it.
I happen to be the former, but I pretty much quit years ago (and several thousand dollars ahead) when it became inconvenient to go to a casino and the online version just wasn’t much fun (at a real casino, at least at one time, if you were actively gambling you got served free booze by attractive women in sexy outfits, and sometimes comped e.g. free meals at the casino restaurants).
These days, if I happen to be carrying cash and pay with it at a c-store, I’ll occasionally buy a scratch-off lottery ticket, and that’s about it. My wife buys a single Powerball or Mega-Millions ticket when the jackpot is huge, but not because we have any expectation of winning. It’s cheaper than a movie, but provides about as much entertainment value as one in fantasizing about where we’ll be traveling to, where we’ll maintain houses, etc., “when” we win.
There are more ads for gambling sites then car ads because cars are very exspensive. I remember my first 55 Chevy for $400 in 1960
Shut up and dribble. Baseball is our national pastime despite outrageous cable prices.
Not so much anymore — NFL seems to have overtaken it.
Why? Personally, I think it has to do with childhood. When I was a kid, every kid was playing stickball or hot box in the street all day long all summer, and all of the boys were in Little League, but not as much playing football of any kind. So there was a sort of personal attachment to baseball. These days, I’m always surprised when I notice a kid playing outside at all, and I never see groups throwing a ball around. So now if they get into sports, it’s through the TV, and football is more instantly exciting than baseball. Lots of big guys knocking the hell out of each other, etc.
I didn’t really get into football until a few years ago, when it became an opportunity to talk a lot with my (now deceased) brother after our parents and other sibling died. He had been all about all sports since he was a kid, but particularly liked football (as a player, it was basketball — his name was still up on my high school’s gym wall next to several records when I came through 12 years after him). So now I’m all hooked on the Chiefs, etc.
I like football too Mr. T, but there’s nuthin like hearing the crack of a bat and you just know that ball’s OUTTA THERE!
Yeah, I love actually GOING to a baseball game. You get to watch the game.
My impression of pro football games is that it’s really all about swilling beer and screaming, and if you want to actually see the game, stay home and watch it on TV. I’d like to go to one just to experience it.
On TV, it’s kind of the opposite. Football is a game of explosive action, baseball is a game of position. It’s like pro wrestling vs. chess. One is more fun to watch on TV.
When I was a kid, I wanted to be a big league baseball player and was never very interested in football. I played two years of Little League and the second year made the “majors” — not because I was especially good, but because I showed up for every practice and worked my ass off, while some of the better players thought that was optional. I did OK as an outfielder (I think I played second base in one game), and I think my batting average was OK, but I was not a home run hitter. My best hit was a “bounced over the fence” double. Usually I hit singles.
I’ve been to a number of St. Louis Cardinals games, one Kansas City Royals game (GREAT stadium, and Vida Blue actually said hi to me when he came trotting out of the bullpen before the game and I waved to him — we were there very early, right behind first base, and the stadium hadn’t started filling up yet), and a few minor league games here and there. I may have to go to a game or two next year.
I was a little POed at my wife last week. My favorite NFL team (the Chiefs) was playing my second favorite NFL team (the Jaguars), it’s only a 90-minute drive or so, and tickets were only $150 or so, but she just wasn’t willing to go.
You’re right Mr. T, there’s nothing like watching a baseball game at the stadium! And Comerican Park is awesome, even though it saddened me when the old Tiger Stadium shut down.
We saw the Tigers last time they were in the World Series, which we eventually lost to St. Louis. But I fulfilled a lifelong dream.
I’ve never been to a pro football game but have been to U of M’s “Big House” a number of times. The sheer size of the place makes your head spin 😳
I haven’t watched a baseball game all year but I know that it is a cheap non chemical cure for insomnia.
I live for baseball and have since I was 14. My Tigers kind of suck but I love them anyways and I can’t miss Miggy’s final season!
Americans are collectively guilty for the Biden war crimes, just as the Germans were held responsible for Hitler by the standards Americans set in Nurnberg.
Actually I meant to respond to Julio.
We never have seen such a proxy war before. It is more than a proxy war. With all massive support of Vietnam by USSR, or, massive support of Afghan Islamists by US, neither Vietnam nor Afghanistan ever attacked territory of Russia and US. This US war against Russia is much more aggressive. It is as if, for example, provided by Russia missiles to Cuba or to Mexica, would hit every day US towns. Besides, US is openly targeting Russian head of state. I think, the minimum what Russia would do, is providing North Korea with modern weapons which allow North Korea, in case of an escalation, destroy the targets in US. The same about all other enemies of US. It is a time to provide them with modern weapons.
Russia could always leave Ukraine, at that point my support for Ukraine grabbing Russian territory falls to zero.
There is no Ukraine, just a sock puppet for NATO and that’s all it ever meant to them.
Ok then, no solution fantastic.
There will be the solution of Ukrainian UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER to Russia and Americans turning their backs on Ukraine and walk away, like they always do. They could also punish the Ukrainians with sanctions for having lost the proxy war. They sure punished the Afghans with sanctions and confiscating their $$$ foreign accounts for losing their war, starving the Afghans to compensate 9/11 victims. But forgive Biden he is a demented old far* .
They said so, Ukrainians are the cheapest cannon fodder ever, Graham and Romney and some others were so kind and spill the beans.
We all knew it, but the Biden narrative denied it.
Russians have lived in Ukraine for a thousand years. Armed Ukrainian Nazi thugs from the west tried to force them out. This is what caused this war.
Ethnic Russians I would hope could continue to live in the Ukraine as Ukrainians citizens in a democratic state with respect for the human rights of all its people. Though to be honest the latest troubles may have maade that outcome unlikely. I have ethnic Russians living two houses down from me, should I be nervous?
It didn’t work out too well for the ethnic Russians living in the Donbass, at least since 2014, when their own state started bombing them and it was about to get a lot worse. Quite frankly, any discussion of the War in Ukraine that doesn’t address what led up to the SMO is bankrupt.
Sure, some kind of more federal deal in a reformed Ukraine might make sense, but refromed Ukraine is still the deal.
I have ethnic Russians living two houses down from me, should I be nervous?
I would say that they should be. And not from you, I don’t think you’re the violent type. But out there in jingo jingo land, there are several ethnic groups that are targets.
Normally people get along, it is the establishment, war profiteers who cause the trouble. Without American interference that conflict would not have happened, greedy Americans caused it, they want Russia’s natural resources and control over the whole blue planet.
The may end up living in ruins, radiation, and cockroaches
The Americans took advantage of the Ukrainian Nazi-thugs.
Maybe Americans should be reminded of what Russian president KHRUSCHCHEV said, after a nuclear war,
“THE LIVING WILL ENVY THE DEAD”
BIDEN may not live long enough to find out if it is true.
If Ukrainians had accepted the offer of neutrality they would not have lost one square inch of Ukraine and without the regime change they would never have lost Crimea. They were unbelievably stupid and arrogant, they now pay the price. They will end up with rubble, Biden will throw them under the bus and walk away from Ukraine and start a new war with China, Biden’s and the neocons’ stupidity and arrogance is even greater.
It is readily apparent who are the war makers and which countries desire peace. The US if fighting a losing battle on the world stage of public opinion despite the false inaccurate information being peddled by the MSM which is suppressing the truth. Most other countries have been on the receiving end of Americas democratic way of deciding issues with horrible results. It is not possible to fool all the people all the time.
The public opinion does matter but when the public opinion is supported by military force, it does matter even more. Now we are watching a creation of a military alliance Russia/North Korea/China. It is going to be quite a formidable military force with 1600 million people behind it.
Just make it 5M.
Finally Russia can take Kyiv in 3 days.
We have a big problem. The US rulers can not see or accept that there dominance of the world is over or ending. The arrogance and racism of these monsters is fatal other countries surviving if not checked. There are some hopeful signs in South Anerica and Africa if they can get free of the yoke of US financial manipulations.
I am also presuming that the rest of BRICS will join in against the US as things get worse or more desperate.
They have no need to be involved in confrontation between Russia/China and US/UK. It is good enough that they refused to take orders from Washington. North Korea and Iran in a different position. North Korea is happy to participate in military alliance with Russia and China. Iranians are not so enthusiastic about that but Americans themselves left them no choice. So, essentially, we have on one hand Russia and China who are standing for the traditional values and the multi-polar world and on the other hand we have US and their satellites who are standing for the unipolar word dominated by Anglo-Saxon oligarchy.
Well, thank you for stating the obvious, Mr. Lavrov. Is Kremlin actually going to do something about it or you just going to sit there and act surprised?
What would have Russia do?
Widen the conflict and lose even more?
Respond. Respond with overwhelming, disproportionate force.
What for?.. The war of attrition seems to be working out pretty good for Russia. Their casualties are insignificant while the enemy’s are spiking exponentially.
And then what? Everyone clench their sphincters?
Maintain course.
In Ukraine, Russia is holding the center and slowly pushing both northwest and southwest.
On the world stage, US aggression is stalled on the Ukrainian front and is attempting to apply a mirage style propaganda pressure ploy against China, Iran Korea and Russia, The US also has a resource eating war going on the huge continent of Africa.
Allies are forming solidarity under US pressure and can only hope the totalitarian US military dictatorship does not decide on holocaust to save face.
They maybe making a huge mistake.
No. This is bs. All this little special military operation is doing is killing Ukrainian and Russian men while imperial filth is laughing on the sidelines.
The Anglo-American imperial garbage only understand the language of brute force.
Exactly right. And the war is being fought in Eastern Ukraine, which are historical Russian lands, instead of in Western Ukraine, which is the banderite heartland. As long as the supply lines from the West are providing unlimited support to the banderites, they will fight forever.
It’s a war of attrition that Russia is not losing so far. Far from it, in fact.
Nothing is forever. And nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING short of a full-scale nuclear strike, will stop the US of A at this stage. It might give up on the war of attrition, though, once sufficiently drained of resources.
More or less keep watching how the Ukrainians are banging their heads against a concrete wall trying to break it down to benefit American interests.
Exactly, Ivan. When I read the headline my first thought was “Duh!”
The trouble is – under the circumstances, it would be inexcusably foolish of Lavrov to reveal Russia’s short or long-term strategy. If and when there is a response to the current state of play from Russia – it will come completely unannounced.
Worse still, “i-n” appears to be seeking to provoke or trigger a response by a deliberately provocative question.
Need I say more?
They watch NATO disintegrating, NATO has pretty much disarmed already.
Not quite,the forces of France,Britian and Germany can still do s lot of damage.
The AfD is a vigorous right of center opposition party, the only opposition worth mentioning. Scholz is feeling the heat, and so does Macron.
That opposition party is growing fast, they have competent leadership, a glimmer of hope for Germany and there is Orban from Hungary, once NATO starts breaking up it can easily turn into an avalanche.
It will not end in the way the neocons and deranged Biden expect. The old parties are falling apart, who would have expected that. I don’t think that is what the CIA expected to happen.
None of the countries you mention will be allowed to leave since nato, like all other organised crime syndicates, has an unwritten rule towards those who dare to disagree with it.
They don’t have to leave, all they need to do is say no, we don’t support the policy, get lost.
De Gaulle did leave NATO. To my knowledge, no NATO soldiers are stationed in France.
They will not be allowed to say no. And those who dare to say anything remotely critical of the US will be promptly shut up or disappeared from view in no time. For one of the most recent examples, try googling “Ukraine War: US Taking Advantage Of Energy Crisis To Exploit EU, Selling Gas At Four Times The Price – French Minister.” In short, France is an entirely subservient client state of the United States of America when it comes to its foreign policy with or without “NATO soldiers stationed in France”, regardless of what you or I think about it.
In occupied Germany you could not say anything negative about the US occupier, if you did you were anti-American, anti-democratic the same way you are automatically an anti-Semite if you are critical of ISRAEL, the state government. They can do no wrong.
I think it is essential always to emphasise that one disagrees with foreign policies of respective countries and their effects on the recipients of these policies to be on the safe side.
Yes, the establishment elite forms the government and makes policies, not the people.
And Russia can do it in return. The people are turning against their governments, it is picking up speed, the people had enough of this.
You might be surprised to learn that there is a consensus in France that the government is at war with its general population under Macron’s leadership.
Whether that might affect France’s willingness to participate in an armed conflict with Russia or not is another matter.
This is a war between Ukraine and Russia where that the US and its allies are backing the Ukrainians. Yes, the US and some of its allies instigated and encouraged the war. But Putin was a fool for stupidly taking the bait. Russia never had a chance to subdue Ukraine.
This war is a classic illustration of the principle of blowback when an imperial empire tries to overwhelm a weaker opponent by force of arms only to discover that force of arms fails when resisted by a critical mass of hearts and minds.
I originally believed the Russians would defeat the Ukrainian Army by April 2022 but I understood that the Ukrainian resistance would grow under Russia occupation until Russia got a pragmatic leadership that accepted the inevitability and necessity of Russian withdrawal.
I have been surprised by the resilience of the Ukrainian military. Consider Bakhmut. Prigozhin had no reason to underestimate the 20,000 Russian casualties he claimed were inflicted by the Ukrainian resistance. After a year of bloody fighting, the Russian gained a few square kilometers of a devastated city. But as a result of the Ukrainian resistance at Bathmut Russia’s most effective military force, the Wagner mercenaries, has been taken out of the war.
This is how blowback works. By “winning” a small bit of territory in Bakhmut, the Russians lost 20,000 soldiers and their most effective combat force taken out of the war.
The Russians have lost an asymmetric war of national resistance. Every Russian “victory” only makes the resistance stronger. That is how the hearts and minds thing works when an empire invades a country where most of the people want to resist.
“But Putin was a fool for stupidly taking the bait.”
Which only shows that you have zero comprehension of the factors which had been put in play along with the clear and present threat of non-stop NATO expansion up to the Russian border. Add to this the fact that you show no regard for the situation the Ukrainians of the eastern regions continually found themselves in for over a decade, I have to conclude that you are once again repeating an interpretation of events that runs counter to – Recent – recorded history.
Why not just quote the morons in charge of NATO, and say “As long as it takes”, and be done with it. Your pseudo-condescension is revolting.
At this juncture, Ukraine is losing the BIG MO!!!. They are stalling out!!! Unless they come up with a real “Game Changer” their country will be destroyed to the point of impotence. Borrowed old NATO junk will not be their savior. Remember when HYMARS were going to “change everything.'” But Russia learned to hack them so they would go everywhere but to their target.. It was a stupid idea for a declining empire to PIT a nation of farmers against the best and biggest armed state on the planet, or is it China. Ukraine will never recover from this stupid error. Their grain will become contaminated and fetch bottom prices. How did they ever think they could best Russia..??
They were led down the primrose path by a failing empire still in favor of new victories.
” Russia never had a chance to subdue Ukraine.” You must be on drugs or worse. Russian nukes have 4000 the explosive force of the nU.S. & NATO nukes. Not only that Russia has unstoppable hypersonic missiles. Russia is the biggest and best armed state in the world at this time if not it’s China. Ukraine is virtually unarmed, no nukes, Air Force or Navy and require military welfare to beg for money and weapons. Welfare cases don’t win wars!!!!!!!!!!!!
US has more than enough nukes, don’t you worry. As for the unstoppable hypersonic missile? Is that the one that got stopped? I admit maybe it was an easy shot but still it is very much stoppable
I am beginning to think that you and Do0n Julio are in favor of a World War3. That is really dumb.
Nope, utterly opposed to armageddon. Making aggressors pay for their aggrtression so that war gets to be seen as a dumb idea by humans that I am all for.
Given who the aggressor is in this case makes a lot of sense. Living in the US means dealing with a lot of lies and hypocrisy as to who started what and when. I look back to 1991 when they broke their word to Gorbachov
Yes the U.S. has more than enough nukes. But the Russians have ones are 4000 times the explosive force of the U.S. NATO ones. Not the sort of thing anyone or state would like to be the first to receive. Just one could end the whole show…!!!!
Unfortunately nukes have become the ultimate back stop for the most powerful states and separate the men from the boys, so to speak. Without nuclear weapons any state finds itself virtually helpless to ward off the nuclear powers. When the U.S. overthrew the Ukrainian president in 2014 I worried that it could precipitate a nuclear war, but it did not. And Ukraine paid a very low fine for it. I hink we are all lucky that things are not a whole lot worse and the world is moving on to a better model than the former unquestioned U.S. NATO hegemony to a more multi-polar arrangement. But the hegemony do not plan to go quietly.
“Just one could end the whole show…!!!!”
No. Just one could not take out all the land-based, aircraft-delivered, or submarine-launched nukes. Any first strike, no matter how large, would be answered.
Which is why no one who’s not insane would even consider actually doing it.
When a politician makes statements even hinting that he’d consider doing it, there are two possibilities.
One is that he’s actually insane.
The other is that he’s following Machiavelli’s advice from Discourses on Livy: “At times it is a very wise thing to simulate madness.”
Worked for Reagan.
That is simply misinformed, and irrelevant besides.
But the Russians have ones are 4000 times the explosive force of the U.S. NATO ones.
I guess I haven’t been keeping up with the nuke news but for some reason I find that hard to believe. I mean, a Tactical nuke can be up to almost 6 times more powerful than what we dropped on Japan. My head starts to explode if I try to figure out what is 4000 times more powerful than the bombs we dropped on Japan let alone one of those that the US/NATO possess today. Damn, I hope they don’t detonate one by mistake. Half the world will be gone.
YOU must be on drugs.
Lol.
Maybe on drugs but know a loser from a winner and a bunch of Neocon losers trying to breath life a dying empire by arming a nation of farmers to fight a superpower is no winner.
It appears to my senile eyes that the Third world is woke. They have caught on to the fallacy of American exceptionalism and white supremacy.in favor of independence and running there own affairs without the HELP? of the US. Good luck to us all. May we all live long and prosper.
Dick size doesn’t matter. We’ll all be dead.
Nukes don’t win wars. They’re useful only for extortion of the “give us what we want or we’ll destroy the world, including ourselves” variety, and for that purpose more is just more expensive, not better.
“unstoppable hypersonic missiles”
You keep using that word, “unstoppable.” I do not think it means what you think it means:
“Russia fired hypersonic Kinzhal missiles at Kyiv on Tuesday, with Ukraine saying it had shot down all six, and Russia claiming one got through air defences”
Oh well, I don’t know and I don’t believe anything these parties say. But with no Air Force for air cover and no Navy Ukraine seems to be attacking entrenched Russian forces on foot and taking tremendous losses. Does not sound like a very intelligent use of forces. All Russia wanted was a neutral Ukraine, but apparently Ukraine thought they could cow them. It does not seem to be going Ukraines way. Too bad they let themselves be Neoconed cannon fodder. Let me know when Ukraine regains the initiative, and gets off it’s back foot.
“All Russia wanted was a neutral Ukraine”
“Neutrality” was never put on the table. Ukraine was going to be a Russian imperial satrapy or a US/EU/NATO imperial satrapy. Its location, demographics, etc. make actual independence of any kind unlikely all of the time and temporary when/if they occasionally happen. It’s going to be someone’s bitch.
Putin apparently felt he needed to foreclose the US/EU/NATO possibility — not because he wanted Ukraine itself, necessarily, but because he’s trying to hold together the rump remainder of the declining empire he inherited and other satrapies are starting, however tentatively, to think/act for themselves as well. A lot of people don’t even remember that a couple of months before he invaded Ukraine, he invaded Kazakhstan to prop up his satrap there.
If the whole thing hadn’t turned into a fiasco and quagmire on him, he’d have reasserted Russian imperial dominance of the region for a long time to come. As it is, he’d better hope Kadyrov pulls through or he may be in for a really rough time, starting with Chechnya deciding to throw off the Russian yoke again.
Your self-imposed ignorance which resulted in “Russian imperial satrapy” nonsense is truly astonishing.
Further reading:
“How the West Brought War to Ukraine: Understanding How U.S. and NATO Policies Led to Crisis, War, and the Risk of Nuclear Catastrophe.” by by Benjamin Abelow.
Which is exactly why I’m learning not be as stupid as those Russian liars. They use chips from washing machines to power their “hypersonic Kinzhal missiles” then they tell Reuters the truth. Stupid liars.
(Sarcasm)
In over 3 months of the Russian SMO NATO has lost 71 thousand troops (casualties) and 8,200 pieces of equipment. Trillions have been spent in the nearly 10 years of this NATO war on humanity. According to US politicians its the best money they have ever spent. These are psychopaths, predators consuming humanity. Absolute MONSTERS.
NATO has already lost; 472 Aircraft, 249 helicopters, 6838 UAV’s, 437 Anti Aircraft systems, 11919 tanks inc. APC’s, 1151 multiple rocket launchers, 6411 field artillery and 13090 military automotive equipment. Approx. $1 Trillion of NATO hardware.
NATO pushed the so called “Counter Offensive” to break up the Russian war of attrition which NATO was loosing badly. The so called “Counter Offensive” was a last ditch effort to shape the European battlefield in favour of NATO.
Kadyrov is dead! Rot in hell, you scumbag, POS! Hopefully Chechnya will blow up and put another dagger in Putin’s side!
Slava Ukraini!
Bad cup of tea?
I would not be surprised if he is dead but has anyone confirmed it yet?
A good confirmation would be the Kremlin denying it.
Brain fungus actually.
Wow thats a new one
Lol
You idiots keep trying.
A country that helped the NAZIS in WW2 should be destroyed .
Lots of countries helped the NAZIS in WW2. Including the Soviet Union.
and Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Romania, etc.
Russia helped The Third Reich into THE DUSTBIN OF HISTORY!!! Little else!! Sad to see the American Neocons trying to recreate the Third Reich Nazi Scum in Ukraine TO ETHNICALLY CLEANSE Russian Speaking UKRAININ CITIZENS. LUCKILY Russia is doing a super job of cleaning out those Nazis every day
Hubs is 100% Croatian on his maternal side. I don’t hold that against his family. When Croatia was in the World Cup, we were all decked out in t-shirts and scarves proclaiming CROATIA!
This has nothing to do with the subject at hand, Mr. T, but we were heartbroken when our Croatian grapevine didn’t make it through the winter. Hubs’ grandfather brought it when he emigrated here nearly 100 years ago. It lived at his grandma’s until she sold her home many years ago, then came to live with us. It was unbelievably productive and I feel terrible that it perished on our watch.
Putin’s Aide & Chechen Warlord Quashes Kyiv’s ‘Coma’ Claims; ‘Healthy’ Kadyrov Shares New Video: Kadyrov is alive and well in NEW video on Youtube…………..
GET BACK ON YOUR MEDS BEFORE YOU COMPLETELY EXPOSE WHAT AN UTTER FOOL YOU HAVE BECUM…..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Some people just can’t tell the truth from MSM fiction. The US has a fantastic history of lying to our citizens. Other countries know this.The history of the US keeping its word in agreements and treaties is pathetic and criminal.
Some people just can’t tell the truth from MSM fiction.
And nothing could be more essential for a Russian victory… Keep up the good work, neocons!
No need for meds to be an “UTTER FOOL.” It’s his job. (Sarcasm)
😂
Sure he is dips**t! And their submarine only has a dent! Hahaha.
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It is not “a last ditch”. Not yet. It is a beginning of a big war. Ukraine is just one pawn.
NATO has lost zero troops. Zero aircraft, Zero ships
And over $200 billion, to start.
Money has been spent I will grant you that. Though I have to say the accounting is probably bogus, are we counting 25 year old surplus gear at full list price?
Agreed. But the same can’t be said about Ukrainians. But NATO doesn’t care. And neither do you.
I do care it is very unfortunate, but for the moment it looks like the Ukrainians want to fight so I support them. It is by the way unfortunate that some Russians are getting killed to. If only we could settle our differences without resorting to war.
At least the ones that they can forcibly keep in country. Personally, I respect the Ukrainians intelligence. I can’t imagine any sane Ukrainian listening to Western officials, especially from the US, and thinking they are fighting for anything more than for the West’s, especially the US’, goal of weakening Russia. The US has been blunt about that. And Boris Johnson was too when he stopped any further negotiations from proceeding in the Spring of ’22.
By the way, you have said this war is a “good investment” in the past.
I may have said something along those lines. I hear in Russia they have linked your draft notice to your passport, and they have exit controls so as soon as you are drafted your passport goes dead. I know you express a lot of concern for the Ukrainians in this war but do not forget plenty of Russians are dying as well and they deserve a little thought as well.
You have. And I wouldn’t be a bit surprised about Russia doing those things. Putin is a thug just like any of the thugs involved, including our thug. I express concerns for the Ukrainians because the war is being fought in Ukraine. I don’t feel the same empathy for soldiers, from either side, at least the ones who weren’t conscripted.
I share your concerns about Ukrainian and Russian victims of this war. I was concerned about the Vietnamese victims to US imperialism as well. But the Ukrainians and the Vietnamese have the right to choose to fight for their self determination. The Ukrainians, like the Vietnames, are fighting with courage and conviction. The Russians and the ARVN were not. That is why Russia relies on mercenaries for its shock troops and why the loss of Wagner after Bakhmut was a tremendous setback for Russia.
Wow. You really had to read a lot into my comment to come up with that reply.
In the USA people are still drafted by economic necessity. In Russia I don’t think the convicts who “volunteered” for Wagner felt they had much of a choice. And many volunteers in all armies grow to become older and wiser and rethink their initial choice, but find they can’t easily leave the service. I understand your sympathy for the conscripted. But we need to remember the blues of the universal soldier who always fights instead of the fortunate sons.
But we need to remember the blues of the universal soldier who always fights instead of the fortunate sons.
So, you agree that sometimes there is no escape from fighting?
Of course I agree that in the short run there is often no escape from fighting.. But you can’t win a war with unmotivated soldiers when the other side is highly motivated. That is why guerrillas with popular support defeat imperial armies . The same reason Nazi Germany had no chance of conquering the Soviet Union or Japan couldn’t conquer China is why the Russians have lost in Ukraine. Once the invading imperial power loses the hearts and minds of the invaded masses and the masses decide to resist the war is decided regardless of what happens on the battlefield.
You can draft people, but you can’t force them to fight. John is correct. The Ukrainians have chosen to fight for their self determination. I expect the US will cut the aid in about a year and the Ukrainian army may get driven underground. But that won’t affect the outcome of the war. The Ukrainians won’t give up the fight until they drive the Russians out. The Ukrainians have won. Eventually Russia will get a leadership that understands Russia can’t win this war. Force of arms can’t defeat hearts and minds.
Yes – the eastern UKrainians have also chosen to fight for their self determination after the UKrainian democracy was overthrown by a bunch of ethnic cleansers.
Yes, there was a human rights problem in Donbas. It is an internal Ukrainian problem that needs to be addressed through the UN, the International Criminal Court and diplomacy. The war just made things worse and the death and destruction of the war is disproportionate to the human rights violations in Donbas. When the Russians leave Ukraine there should be UN peacekeepers and ombuds persons in Donbas to protect the rights of everyone there. I know diplomacy is frustrating and the UN is inefficient. But Russian armed intervention has proven to s much worse
“It is an internal Ukrainian problem that needs to be addressed through the UN, the International Criminal Court and diplomacy.”
Ukraine is not signatory to the Rome Statute, and therefore the ICC only has jurisdiction there when invited (which it only is if the allegations are against a foreign party rather than the Ukrainian regime).
Good point. Let’s try “It is an internal Ukrainian problem that needs to be addressed through the UN and diplomacy”
One country (Ukraine) invading two others (Luhansk and Donetsk People’s Republics) to conquer, occupy, and annex them wasn’t an “internal problem.” It was just an invasion with an eye toward conquest, occupation, and annexation.
“It was just an invasion with an eye toward conquest, occupation, and annexation” by any means possible or imaginable.
Incidentally,
“The current war in Ukraine has caused an avalanche of propaganda and distortion. Beyond the farcical reports of fictional Ukrainian pilots and babushkas with pickle jars taking on Russian drones, there is a very insidious historical trend that is now picking up steam. The movement aims to convert terrorists and bandits who murdered and terrorized the Ukrainian people into freedom fighters.
The latest propaganda series from the NATO-financed Kyiv Independent about Ukraine’s “True History” is but one example of this insidious new narrative and how it is being worked into the public eye with the full backing of the colossal propaganda machine fueling this war. Of course, their history omits key facts in the history of Ukrainian nationalism.
More seriously, however, the nationalist history omits entire groups of people. This historical erasure is one more aspect of the nationalist project to create their ideal Ukraine. Rather than simply the physical erasure of people as they have perpetrated in the past, the Ukrainian nationalists of today have created a lavishly funded propaganda machine to build their ideal nation through historical erasure.
As nationalist ideologies always do, this one has structural contradictions which easily undo its entire premise. When these contradictions have been confronted with reality, the result of nationalism has always been the same: Death to anyone who does not fit their “national idea.”
It is no different in Ukraine.”
“It is no different in Ukraine.”
And it would all be just as true if the word “Ukraine” was replaced with “Russia” or “the US.”
Wrong again.
You are trying to conjure moral equivalence out of thin air once again where there is none.
But then again, you know perfectly well how exactly you would’ve been dealt with by Ukraine’s fifth column and the US ‘deep state’ if you tried to be as critical of Ukraine or the US as you are of Russia.
And once again, you might have a better idea about reality as it is, not as you perceive it to be if you read
“How the West Brought War to Ukraine: Understanding How U.S. and NATO Policies Led to Crisis, War, and the Risk of Nuclear Catastrophe Paperback – 5 Aug. 2022
by Benjamin Abelow”
“Benjamin Abelow demonstrates that the crisis in Ukraine was predictable, predicted-and avoidable.” —
Richard Sakwa, Professor of Russian and European Politics, University of Kent
If anything I’m MORE critical of Ukraine and the US than I am of Russia.
I don’t have to “conjure” the moral equivalence that has always been there, is there now, and will always be there.
Well, you are stating the exact opposite of reality and insist that strictly factual views expressed in the book I recommended for you to read are of no interest to you. I am now tempted to remind you about the nature of your acknowledged drug of choice. Your past addiction to gambling points in the same direction. Reading could help, but you are not seeking help.
God help you, Thomas.
I’ve never been addicted to gambling. I’ve gambled — occasionally, in settings where it’s appropriate to do so.
I’ve also not said I’m uninterested in the book you recommend. In fact, I just bought the Kindle version and expect to read it over the next few days.
The thing is, based on the title and your excerpts, there’s nothing for me to disagree with so far. And I doubt that the book even tries to make the case for a moral non-equivalence between states as such.
I can only hope that making or not making “the case for a moral non-equivalence between states as such” is not the only reason you will read the book. Strangely enough, I was reminded of the book by reading “Harvard Kennedy School’s Misinformation Review Promotes Its Own Misinformation” By Jeremy Kuzmarov – September 18, 2023. Suffice it to say that there is a good chance that your overall impression of the pre and post-SU history of the RF as a sovereign state has been inadvertently affected by the same type of efforts from the “usual suspects” accurately described by Jeremy K.
My breakthrough in the understanding of post-Soviet Russia came after reading Failed Crusade – America & the Tragedy of Post–Communist Russia by Stephen F Cohen, first published on 11 Oct. 2000. I remember buying the only copy they had in stock at Waterston’s flagship store near Piccadilly Circus in London. The book was a total revelation at the time, especially after all the not-entirely-convincing nonsense on the subject from the British Baloney Corporation and all the significant broadsheets here in the UK intended for general consumption by the long-suffering Great British public.
I will read the book because you recommended it, because the pull quotes were interesting, and because I want to know, within reason, as much as I can about the conflict.
But based on the title and pull quotes, the book makes pretty much exactly the same arguments I’ve been making for a long, long time. The nature of the Russian state versus other states (best encapsulated in the “it’s the same picture” meme) is orthogonal to question of whether the US/NATO/EU have acted for 30 years in such a way as to maximize the chances of war in Russia’s “near abroad.”
Very original, if not a bit overdone, way of formulating “the nature of”, although I suspect it doesn’t reveal much more than the infamous quote by Brzezinski about the nature of the conflict between pre and post-war Russia and the so-called FREE (to kill, maim and destroy) World – “we managed to lure the Soviets into a trap in Afghanistan and that is a great achievement”.
The nature of the state is, as Anthony de Jasay puts it, to maximize its discretionary power.
In the context of empires, especially those in decline like the US and Russia, much of the attempt to maximize discretionary power goes into holding, or attempting to regain, restive satrapies.
Well, you reemphasised that theoretical point a great many times, Thomas. Thank you. Russia and a significant part of Ukraine used to be one, so the analogy might be fully applicable only if and when the United States starts warring with itself.
The most incredible reality is that Poland is, in fact, attempting “to maximise discretionary power into holding, or attempting to regain, restive satrapies” in Ukraine, and very few people seem to notice.
Further reading:
“When, and not if, Poland would enter Ukraine” by A Shukla on Medium and NewsBred dot com
I don’t doubt that the Polish regime would like to maximize its discretionary power in areas of Ukraine that used to be part of Poland.
That’s part of the problem with Ukraine (and, for that matter, Poland) — it’s got a history of being fought over by competing empires due to location.
No, it was an invitation by two sovereign states for Russia to come to their aid while they were under attack by Nazis.
Oh. Like Palestine?
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Not like Palestine. Israel and Palestine have no internationally recognized borders. Ukraine does.
No nation recognizes the occupied West Bank as part of Israel. On the other hand the discrimination against Palestinians who are considered Israeli citizens living within the Green Line (the 1948 boundaries) is considered an internal Israeli matter although I personally consider them citizens of Palestine.
Israel has internationally recognized borders. They’re codified in UNR 181. The problem with Israel isn’t that it doesn’t have borders, it’s that it refuses to stay inside those borders.
Israel never recognized any borders. No nation, not even Israel, regards the rights of Palestinians in the West Bank or Gaza as an internal Israeli problem. Ukraine, on the other hand, has internationally recognized borders that until 2014 were recognized by Russia. The situation of the people who live in the Donbas is an internal Ukrainian affair.
You specified “internationally recognized” borders, not “Israeli-recognized” borders.
The internationally recognized borders of Israel are set in UNR 181 and have been since 1947.
And, in point of fact, there have never been any “internationally recognized” borders for Ukraine. Ukraine’s borders were recognized by one, and only one, other regime — Russia’s. Until it changed its mind.
A more fundamental point is that i don’t advocate any other country invading Israel to free the Palestinians. Invasions and coups don’t liberate people. The Palestinians will have to liberate themselves with material support from countries like Iran and Syria. There are real human rights issues in the Donbas. But a movement against Ukrainian racism has to be indigenous.
“You can draft people, but you can’t force them to fight”
That’s just crazy talk. You can be in a situation in a big hurry where there is nowhere to hide and no time to flee. Fight or die.
And when the ARVN or the Afghan puppets found themselves in dangerous situations they avoided fighting and ran away at the first opportunity. The Vietnamese communists, the FLN, the mujahideen and the Taliban were outnumbered and out armed but they had had motivation that kept them in the fight against less motivated and better armed imperial forces.
And when the ARVN or the Afghan puppets found themselves in dangerous situations they avoided fighting and ran away at the first opportunity
The key word being “opportunity”. Ukraine isn’t Afghanistan or Vietnam. But yet once again you managed to bring them up.
Hence the Ukrainian press gangs forcing teenagers to become cannon fodder. Ukrainian leaders are defeating themselves.
It has been proven time and time again that unmotivated conscripts are unmotivated soldiers. The Ukrainian army has taken heavy casualties for almost two years. If the Ukrainian fighters were unmotivated the Ukrainian Army would have disintegrated by now. You need to appreciate the role of motivation in asymmetric wars of national resistance. The fact that the Ukrainian Army is still fighting is incontestable proof that the Russian invasion was defeated. If the US cuts aid to Ukraine, as I expect will happen by the end of 2024, the Ukrainian army may get defeated by the Russians. But the Russians will still lose the war because the vast majority of Ukrainians oppose the Russian invasion and thousands of Ukrainians will actively resist until the Russians leave. The only thing that could defeat Ukraine would be a holocaust level genocide like the terror tactics of the Allies against Germany and Japan. But I don’t think the Russians will go there because of the effect that would have on Russia’s standing in the world. Nixon considered nuking Vietnam but eventually realized that if the US used nukes in Vietnam, the cost to the US internationally would be far greater than the cost of accepting defeat of the “greatest military power in human history” by the highly motivated guys in black pajamas.
Eventually Russia will get a pragmatic leader who will begrudgingly withdraw from Ukraine, like Nixon did from Vietnam and Barak did from Lebanon and DeGaulle did from Algeria. If the US and NATO continue to arm Ukraine, that will likely shorten the war. If the US cuts aid and NATO does not fill the gap, the Ukrainians will still win, but it will take longer.
Oh, sweet summer child.
Just wait until they start a major war with China and Iran. The blood will flow profusely. The MIC and the PTB just can’t get off the train riding down the rails to destruction.
IT IS AND WAS TOTAL FAILURE WITH ZERO SUCCESSES
it really has been 9 years now since uncle uke attempted to appropriate the Crimea.
edit = disregard all of the BS regarding this ‘war’ of Russia vs the World, because in reality it is all about uncle sam trying to acquire Crimea.
edit 2 = WTF could uncle sam do with Crimea even if they managed to acquire them.
edit 3 = oh sh*t, i almost forgot, uncle sam has over 700 military bases, most of them surrounding Russia & China. so obviously Crimea is a priority.
edit 4 = duh.
Not so much Uncle Sam as Victoria Nuland, the one who LOST!!!! Crimea. Oh Yes, SHE got the $5 BILLION for democracy building which in this case was overthrowing the elected President of Ukraine Victor Poroshenko…. A lot of dead bodies later and its was high FIVEZ all around and job well done…. But then Putin and Crimea didn’t really like being back with the Nazis, so as a HAPPY SURPRISE Crimea threw the UkroNazxis out and declared fealty to Russia……. The Coupsters were outraged, “We SWIPED CRIMEA fair and square”. But the Russians diidn’t agree and told them to F-off and the rest is history. But Nuland is obsessed, not wanting to have the loss of Crimea soil her diplo-resume. So she is out to get Crimea back cum high water or WWIII!!!
Remember her obsession next time you hear Crimea!
Russia will never let the U.S./Nato take control of Crimea. The only way that will happen is if they destroy Russia and that won’t happen without the destruction of Europe as well. In that case, who controls Crimea won’t really matter.
Once again, Russia is pretending to be the deer caught in the headlight. Even an African bushmen knew this was a proxy war.
So what you going to do about it? Global thermonuclear war? That doesn’t sound like a good plan.
Russians are watching how NATO and the EU economy self-destructs. The USA will have to face China without NATO.
I have no idea why the US seems to be itching for war with China. China, unless it gets its demography in order won’t be much of a problem in a few years. India I will bet you is next in line for the enemy de jour.
That is all possible, but don’t underestimate China. China is the current economic competitor the USA can’t compete with, by destroying China they may clear the way for India.
Before Russia now, Germany used to be the boogey man, the British Colonial Empire was dying and Germany and the USA were the rising industrial powers, Germany was encircled WW I was not started by Germany, it was Great Britten meddling on the continent which ended in the humiliating destruction with the unconditional and most humiliating surrender in Versailles, the seeds for Nazi Germany and WWII, the current deindustrialization of Germany is the third try to eliminate it again. And this time the US Empire is at stake, Russia and China are the competitors and India is on the way.
Well said, Lysi!
That does depend on what is left from the USA. The nation already is second world, run down lacking funding for infrastructure, health care and education and so much more, our cities are in terrible shape, nothing but asphalt and concrete and little fast food shacks and filling stations and warehouse stores along highways. Little towns and suburbs without a heart, no down town.
“Second world” refers to countries allied with the Soviet Union, not to some particular economy/infrastructure situation.
I had Latin America in mind. In any case second world is not advanced 1st world nations like the G-7. Where would you place India or Russia, second world?
The Americans do this because it`s not on their border like all the for ever wars they take place on other countries borders if not with a full invasions , you watch how fast this war ends if it spills over into Europe .
I can not be sure that the war will not expand and neither can anyone else because the US wants this battle between Russia,China,Iran and now Africa added.
Biden would expand the war to Europe on NATO soil, all NATO is just a proxy to fight American wars, as always.
“Lavrov said the Kremlin is open to talks…” That’s the single biggest lie in this article. (Sarcasm)
He means real talks that could evolve into peace. He can not be deluded enough to expect this t work for the US never a peace loving country.
Biden never used the words peace and negotiations in connection with Ukraine and Russia, not as far as I know. He makes demands and threats, that is all he knows.
Biden is nothing more or less then a demented politician whose time has come and gone albeit with Nuclear capabilities and the ignorance to push the button.
and the dementia and ignorance is really scary.
That happens to be true, not sarcasm.
I wish, my Antiwar friend. Too much blood spilled to talk peace. Russia would fire Putin and Lavro if they make Peace. Peace is in pieces. (Sarcasm)
My friend, I think the Russians are sincere about peace.
Common sense alone speaks for peace based on economics, (not on war profiteering of course). Russians know what war is about, they suffered it. They made reasonable diplomatic offers wich the Biden neocons refused to take them up on. Apparently they feared the offers were sincere.
In March 2022 Zelensky had promising diplomatic meetings with the Russians when Boris Johnson hopped in a plane to meet Zelensky in Kiev to tell him to stop negotiations because the Americans were not ready.
At NO time did Biden make an honest move to end the slaughter. Russians, by neutral accounts, independent journalists and retired military and intelligence people not lobbyists for MIC like some generals, do not want to spill more blood. But the Americans are willing to spill Ukrainian and Russian blood, so long as their own blood is not spilled and no star spangled body bags with real body pieces arrive stateside. Graham and Romney and others have stated that the Ukraine proxy war is the best investment the Americans ever made. And that is NOT sarcasm. ( I tried to be a little funny, you are better. )
Thank you. You’re funny also and I love you, man! I was trying to be brief and didn’t mention that Russia knows that the US knows that Russia knows “the US is not agreement capable.”. The Neocons are not going to allow an agreement. They want their knee on Russia’s neck. Any negotiation is doomed, like an infertile couple trying to conceive a baby. We need more luck to survive this than it took for the universe to conceive us. (Sarcasm)
Maybe the universe could ask the creator for a little help? We are in trouble and need his help, after all, he/she is responsible for the evil neocons. /s
Amen!
Make your faux-demon bleed for a profit.Its the american way!
Glad to see that Putin is buddying up with Kim Jong.
The latter has at least the REPUTATION of being crazier than a shithouse rat; a shithouse rat with nukes. Amerikkka will NOT, I repeat, NOT f*ck with him.
Don’t hold back Gypsy… Tell us what you really think…!!!
She did, she is mad, she said it.
I do my best, Donna! 😁
It is only a reputation, but he has an excellent European education, he and his sister were educated in Switzerland, and he appears to have good advisers and he listens to them. Maybe he is more mature and sane than the lot we have in Washington, they are unpredictably and irrational and dangerous people, no statesmen/women and diplomats in that bunch to be found. They never even listen to mature people.
“It is only a reputation”
Right. Calling him a “sh*thouse rat” is insulting. To sh*t house rats. People in his country eat sh*t sandwiches while this little piglet lives like a f*cking king.
Frankly, we really don’t know. N. Korea is being demonized China, Cuba, and more. The nations we forced regime change fascistic dictators to the liking of the US corporate powers are among the poorest nations on the planet. Look at Latin America, the many regime changes replacing left leaning elected government with RW fascists. Chile comes to mind, all the poor refugees hoping to make it in the USA, THE MONROE DOCTRINE takes care of American interests, they ignore the poverty they create. Look at Afghanistan, they are more poor now than they were before the Americans took over. The Ukraine, what good was our meddling for freedom and democracy? The USA ACTED IN SELF INTERESTS ONLY, They robbed other people on other continents starting with the American Indians, the Pacific region, and Latin America and Asia and nothing else. American history is brutal and not the fairy tales they teach in schools calling it history, if they do teach.
Kim is a slug. No one is forcing him to be a slug. I’m not condoning regime change. I don’t condone the sanctions on any country. But Kim is a slug.
He has lots of company in the slug club. We don’t really know N.Korea, all we have is a narrative denouncing N. Korea, based on allegations.
We do know the historical fact of the bombing of NK to dust and the killing of a million N.Koreans, by the USA, a nation NK was not at war with. Crimes committed by US war criminal slugs. Is NK the enemy of the USA, if so in what way? The USA threatens and bullies NK and other nations not the other way around.
I’m not saying anything in defense of US aggression. I’m saying Kim is a slug. That is all. If you want to defend him based on something the US did, then that’s up to you. I won’t. He is a fucking slug.
It is up to you to call Kim a slug or not, I don’t have to agree with it. IMO, I don’t know reliable sources to support that, so I don’t know if he is a slug or not.
ALL dictators are slugs. You need “reliable sources” to tell you that? I don’t want the US f*cking with North Korea but that doesn’t make Kim acceptable.
And how do you know they are dictators? China and Russia were not our enemies until the American government declared them to be our “adversaries” without any explanation, only the demonizing picked up speed with no evidence to support it. You bet, I demand reliable sources, because I do know how Bush justified the war in Iraq and any other war and sanctions. Our politicians have no honor, they can’t be believed, they can’t be trusted. Our Free Press spins the government narrative, no honest Q & A in our MSM. I believe nothing from them without reliable evidence confirmed by people outside of government with lobbyist connections like the retired military brass sitting on the boards of MIC.
Germany is not an “adversary” it is a “NATO ally” but Biden had the NG pipeline blown up IN ORDER to deindustrialize the German and EU economy. Yea, the neocons are so smart and honorable peace loving people. They can’t be trusted, liberal is a disguise, this nation does not have a left leaning political party, Democrats are neoliberal neocons. The left has been demonized and destroyed, it is gone. We have one fascist neocon political philosophy the extreme right wing GOP dictatorship.
I’m talking about Kim. That is it. I don’t think I’m buying into US propaganda for having the opinion that I do about Kim. I don’t know why you keep bring up the evils of the US, you’re preaching to the choir. I’m not pushing for regime change and I agreed with Trump meeting him face to face. That doesn’t mean Kim is misunderstood. He’s a horrible leader who doesn’t give two shits about the people he leads. He’s no different than Biden in that regard.
I think I do understand your thought on the subject. For myself I don’t know enough to judge him. He is not as much a public figure as Biden, Trump or Putin.
I just run into a two year old NBC Putin interview, a little more than an hour and without commercials. If you can watch it, here is the link, judge for yourself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6pJd6O_NT0
A Putin speech doesn’t have anything to do with how I perceive Kim.
It is not a speech, it is an interview, there is no information like it available about Kim, no speeches and no interviews. Kim is a blanc sheet. That is my point.
If I’m North Korean, can I pick up and just leave?
https://www.northkoreainfo.com/can-koreans-leave-north-korea/#Warp%20Up
Why not?
Because the government won’t let you. And if you leave without permission and are sent back, you might not like how you get treated upon your return. If you have to DEFECTin order to leave, what does that tell you about Kim’s government.
Your allegations are hyperbole. It tells me nothing about Kim’s government. For all I know Kim could be a figure head like Biden, but by Biden it is obvious and public knowledge.
Wow. Have you been living under a rock? They call it the “hermit Nation” for a reason. And how would Kim being a figurehead like Biden be an argument in his Kim’s favor?
We live in a crazy world and times, we are being governed by a demented president and criminal morons here at home.
Kim lives in a country on another continent and is no threat to us. I have seen no evidence that he or his handlers did anything other leaders in other nations have not done. I am aware of the methods of demonizing others for propaganda reasons, I reserve the right to be skeptical.
Don’t forget the American meddling in the civil war in Korea by the bombing and the loss of life of the Korean people during the Korean war. Why did they bomb Korea and kill a million Korean people anyway? They did, because they could, that is all I know.
The USA, the Biden regime, has no business in N. Korea. Maybe for propaganda reasons N.K. is called a hermit nation by its enemies? If it is, I don’t know, but I could understand such a response after all the suffering the people of Korea endured. Then there are the sanctions, what right does the US have to sanction N. Korea? What have they done to the mighty USA?
What a hateful government the American people elected into office. Shame on all of us.
And yet you condemn what other leaders of nations do and rightfully so. But now you can see “no evidence” that the leader of a country that people have to DEFECT from to leave is as bad as those other leaders? What part of DEFECT don’t you understand? And then you go on to tell me the evils of the US that I already agreed with as somehow being a defense for Kim.
Just relax, I did not accuse of what you say I did. I am saying that I know of no reliable evidence that he is a dictator, or that he has done anything other heads of state have not done. I don’t know anything that makes me see him as a slug.
You have the right to see him as a slug, I just don’t see him the way you see him.
N. Korea has a right to arm itself, if it wants to be a national hermit state, it has the right to do so. They have not attacked another nation. They are not perfect, what other nation is? Not even the holy USA is perfect, far from it. But I do not jump because the neocons say so
BTW what about all the people fleeing Latin America to countries who do not want them? Ukrainians, Afghans and Syrians are not welcome in Europe. Could they come to us, we have lots of free fly over land to take them? Of course not. Only some 2 million, that is not even all of them.
No N. Koreans as far as I know.
“BTW what about all the people fleeing Latin America to countries who do not want them? Ukrainians, Afghans and Syrians are not welcome in Europe. Could they come to us, we have lots of free fly over land to take them? Of course not. Only some 2 million, that is not even all of them.
No N. Koreans as far as I know.”
And somehow this a defense of Kim? And you want to know why there are no North Koreans? Because they CAN’T leave their country. What does that tell you?
Talking about the US leadership and history, how can you avoid talking about the evils too?
The USA has f****d up everything, the global economy with illegal sanctions, the only diplomatic tool they know of and global treaties others worked hard for. They are arrogant and confident of their military might. They are so smart and powerful, they know they are omnipotent. Call it HUBRIS.
I agree, Lysi.
I’m just glad he has the REPUTATION 😉
The Neocon plot to destroy Russia.
EVERYBODY = “The US Is at War Against Us”
wow. color me =
Word of the day = appalled = very shocked and upset by something very bad or unpleasant
OMG “i’m dyin’ over here!”
Me too.
Things are changing, for example it was Mitt Romney a while back that just about more then anybody called out and declared Russia to be our public enemy number one. Now Romney has decided to retire, he has seen the light and is calling for younger and wiser people to replace the older bunch in Washington that has created the mess we are in. Romney seems to have some prophetic powers so maybe all is not lost, keep the faith.
The Spanish Civil War was also a horrifically bloody fiasco, that was lost by the side supported by the US, Britain, and France.
It was also a weapons testing ground. It was in every way just a precursor for WW2.
I get your gist.
He ain’t wrong. Indeed, he’s just describing the American policy that the Americans, not even Victoria Nuland, won’t say explicitly. Every intelligent observer of this war knows that the main goal is to weaken Russia, possibly to the point of breaking it up. Short of that guaranteed trigger of nuclear war, the West will happily accept the deaths of millions of Slavs. (The Russian MOD has opened a hotline for Ukrainian soldiers who want to surrender, a true lifesaving innovation.)
I’m not sure they’ve thought the whole “breaking Russia up” thing through very well. If Russia came apart, so many bad things could happen that it would probably take a lengthy book to run through them all. Not just the disposition of nuclear weapons, but things like a new round of Japanese militarism trying to seize resource-rich eastern areas, etc.
The Bidenistas are not capable of coherent,logical thought. That would takec a level of intelligence that very few politicians have achieved in a long time. Now time is running out and mankind is behind the eight ball.
Yes, but it’s inconceivable to the neocons and the liberal interventionists that any but they and their minions could divide the spoils. And they see Japan as a minion. So do most Japanese.
“I’m not sure they’ve thought …”
Stop right there.
There is every reason to believe that there is an ongoing plan to break up Russia, and whether or not it is well thought out, few people seem to care.
“Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Washington no longer objects to
Kyiv using Western-provided weapons to launch an attack on Russian
territory.”
In other words, the bumpkin has been told that the counteroffensive is a dud, so it’s time to revise his moral compass to reside deeper in the moral/ethical sewer.
Why not that is where he belongs?
Google;
Overextending and Unbalancing Russia – Rand Corporation
The Wolfowitz Doctrine – Wiki
The inside track on the US – Russia dichotomy;
https://mronline.org/2022/10/28/the-wolfowitz-doctrine-led-to-the-disastrous-war-in-iraq/